DoubleYou Posted March 3, 2022 Author Share Posted March 3, 2022 4 hours ago, ButchDiavolo said: Hey DoubleYou, Can you explain to me what the fDialogueHardStopAngle tweaks do? Are those the settings that make it that the sound from dialog is directional? (i.e. when I turn around the sounds get softer and behind me?) When you are talking to a character, default settings limit how much you can angle while talking to them. With the tweak, you can rotate and look all around while talking to characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ButchDiavolo Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 17 hours ago, DoubleYou said: When you are talking to a character, default settings limit how much you can angle while talking to them. With the tweak, you can rotate and look all around while talking to characters. Ah! Awesome. Thank you for explaining Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel47 Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 (edited) I have a rather interesting question/dilemna regarding Bethini and it's quite an odd one So I've been testing/tweaking for the past day trying to figure out what has been causing these weird square pixels on my walls and characters skin, both players and NPC's, after well over 24hrs of testing, restoring FO4 to 100% vanilla and testing a default 100% vanilla INI setup vs a Bethini optimized one, I believe I have discorvered a weird issue. Basically in the default INI's untouched by Bethini, with NVHBAO enabled everything looks fine and no issues whatsoever But in the Bethini modifiied INI's with NVHBAO enabled, the square pixels appear on the characters, NPC's, the walls and basically everywhere else you look, I have confirmed this to be the case, since as soon as disabling NVHBAO on the bethini profile and starting a brand new game the pixel issue went away. Has there been some changes to how NVHBAO is handled with the latest update to Bethini? Edited March 6, 2022 by Rebel47 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleYou Posted March 6, 2022 Author Share Posted March 6, 2022 46 minutes ago, Rebel47 said: I have a rather interesting question/dilemna regarding Bethini and it's quite an odd one So I've been testing/tweaking for the past day trying to figure out what has been causing these weird square pixels on my walls and characters skin, both players and NPC's, after well over 24hrs of testing, restoring FO4 to 100% vanilla and testing a default 100% vanilla INI setup vs a Bethini optimized one, I believe I have discorvered a weird issue. Basically in the default INI's untouched by Bethini, with NVHBAO enabled everything looks fine and no issues whatsoever But in the Bethini modifiied INI's with NVHBAO enabled, the square pixels appear on the characters, NPC's, the walls and basically everywhere else you look, I have confirmed this to be the case, since as soon as disabling NVHBAO on the bethini profile and starting a brand new game the pixel issue went away. Has there been some changes to how NVHBAO is handled with the latest update to Bethini? Interesting. I did make changes based off my testing, but I didn't see this issue. Is there a particular mod I need to test this against? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel47 Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 The profile I'm testing this on, contains only cleaned DLC Master files, Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch, F4SE & it's scripts. Address Library, TBB Redistributables (part of Buffout mod) Buffout and ENB binaries and a preset, although the problem persists even when preset and ENB are not active, all I change to make the bug appear is bEnable=1 and bBackgroundAOEnable=1 under [NVHBAO] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel47 Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, DoubleYou said: Interesting. I did make changes based off my testing, but I didn't see this issue. Is there a particular mod I need to test this against? Just to help further, these are the NVHBAO settings I was using when I got the problem Spoiler [NVHBAO] bBackgroundAOEnable=1 bBlurEnable=0 bBlurSharpnessProfileEnable=0 bDepthThresholdEnable=0 bEnable=1 fBackgroundAOViewDepth=750.0000 fBias=0.1000 fBlurSharpness=16.0000 fBlurSharpnessProfileBackgroundViewDepth=1.0000 fBlurSharpnessProfileForegroundSharpnessScale=4.0000 fBlurSharpnessProfileForegroundViewDepth=0.0000 fCoarseAO=1.0000 fDepthThresholdMaxViewDepth=500.0000 fDepthThresholdSharpness=100.0000 fDetailAO=0.6500 fPowerExponent=2.5000 fRadius=0.6500 iBlurRadiusEnum=1 iDepthClampModeEnum=0 and these are the settings that I was suggested to try by a friend that seemed to fix/hugely reduce the pixelations Spoiler [NVHBAO] bBackgroundAOEnable=1 bBlurEnable=1 bBlurSharpnessProfileEnable=1 bDepthThresholdEnable=0 bEnable=1 fBackgroundAOViewDepth=750.0000 fBias=0.5000 fBlurSharpness=16.0000 fBlurSharpnessProfileBackgroundViewDepth=1.0000 fBlurSharpnessProfileForegroundSharpnessScale=0.0000 fBlurSharpnessProfileForegroundViewDepth=1.0000 fCoarseAO=0.7000 fDepthThresholdMaxViewDepth=500.0000 fDepthThresholdSharpness=100.0000 fDetailAO=5.0000 fPowerExponent=3.5000 fRadius=0.3200 iBlurRadiusEnum=1 iDepthClampModeEnum=0 I don't know if this will help you in any way, but thought it might be helpful to at least have that section of INI Edited March 6, 2022 by Rebel47 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleYou Posted March 6, 2022 Author Share Posted March 6, 2022 It's either bBlurEnable=1 setting or bBlurSharpnessProfileEnable=1 setting. My money is on bBlurSharpnessProfileEnable=1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel47 Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 (edited) 17 hours ago, DoubleYou said: It's either bBlurEnable=1 setting or bBlurSharpnessProfileEnable=1 setting. My money is on bBlurSharpnessProfileEnable=1. Ok I did some testing on this.. Do note that every test was performed on a brand new game, no saves were used during this testing for both accuracy and consistency in results. Initially I set bBlurSharpnessProfileEnable= to 1 as shown below Spoiler [NVHBAO] bBackgroundAOEnable=1 bBlurEnable=0 bBlurSharpnessProfileEnable=1 bDepthThresholdEnable=0 bEnable=1 fBackgroundAOViewDepth=750.0000 fBias=0.1000 fBlurSharpness=16.0000 fBlurSharpnessProfileBackgroundViewDepth=1.0000 fBlurSharpnessProfileForegroundSharpnessScale=4.0000 fBlurSharpnessProfileForegroundViewDepth=0.0000 fCoarseAO=1.0000 fDepthThresholdMaxViewDepth=500.0000 fDepthThresholdSharpness=100.0000 fDetailAO=0.6500 fPowerExponent=2.5000 fRadius=0.6500 iBlurRadiusEnum=1 iDepthClampModeEnum=0 During this test the pixels were still present on both the female face during character creation and on the wall and lavatory seat after creation of character. The I set bBlurSharpnessProfileEnable= back to 0 and changed bBlurEnable= to 1 as shown below Spoiler [NVHBAO] bBackgroundAOEnable=1 bBlurEnable=1 bBlurSharpnessProfileEnable=0 bDepthThresholdEnable=0 bEnable=1 fBackgroundAOViewDepth=750.0000 fBias=0.1000 fBlurSharpness=16.0000 fBlurSharpnessProfileBackgroundViewDepth=1.0000 fBlurSharpnessProfileForegroundSharpnessScale=4.0000 fBlurSharpnessProfileForegroundViewDepth=0.0000 fCoarseAO=1.0000 fDepthThresholdMaxViewDepth=500.0000 fDepthThresholdSharpness=100.0000 fDetailAO=0.6500 fPowerExponent=2.5000 fRadius=0.6500 iBlurRadiusEnum=1 iDepthClampModeEnum=0 During this test the pixels were not visible, I even switched between characters and checked twice, double checked both the wall and lavatory seat (closely as well to make sure) and this setting seems to be the one that fixed the issue. I hope this information proves useful. Is this something that can be set/noterized within Bethini, maybe make a note of it somewhere inside Bethini's GUI/UI that this particualr INI setting is/has been tested/proven to cause pixels on faces/walls etc. Thanks for your time on this matter DoubleYou. Edited March 7, 2022 by Rebel47 Fixing mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleYou Posted March 7, 2022 Author Share Posted March 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Rebel47 said: Ok I did some testing on this.. Do note that every test was performed on a brand new game, no saves were used during this testing for both accuracy and consistency in results. Initially I set bBlurSharpnessProfileEnable= to 1 as shown below Reveal hidden contents [NVHBAO] bBackgroundAOEnable=1 bBlurEnable=0 bBlurSharpnessProfileEnable=1 bDepthThresholdEnable=0 bEnable=1 fBackgroundAOViewDepth=750.0000 fBias=0.1000 fBlurSharpness=16.0000 fBlurSharpnessProfileBackgroundViewDepth=1.0000 fBlurSharpnessProfileForegroundSharpnessScale=4.0000 fBlurSharpnessProfileForegroundViewDepth=0.0000 fCoarseAO=1.0000 fDepthThresholdMaxViewDepth=500.0000 fDepthThresholdSharpness=100.0000 fDetailAO=0.6500 fPowerExponent=2.5000 fRadius=0.6500 iBlurRadiusEnum=1 iDepthClampModeEnum=0 During this test the pixels were still present on both the female face during character creation and on the wall and lavatory seat after creation of character. The I set bBlurSharpnessProfileEnable= back to 0 and changed bBlurEnable= to 1 as shown below Reveal hidden contents [NVHBAO] bBackgroundAOEnable=1 bBlurEnable=1 bBlurSharpnessProfileEnable=0 bDepthThresholdEnable=0 bEnable=1 fBackgroundAOViewDepth=750.0000 fBias=0.1000 fBlurSharpness=16.0000 fBlurSharpnessProfileBackgroundViewDepth=1.0000 fBlurSharpnessProfileForegroundSharpnessScale=4.0000 fBlurSharpnessProfileForegroundViewDepth=0.0000 fCoarseAO=1.0000 fDepthThresholdMaxViewDepth=500.0000 fDepthThresholdSharpness=100.0000 fDetailAO=0.6500 fPowerExponent=2.5000 fRadius=0.6500 iBlurRadiusEnum=1 iDepthClampModeEnum=0 During this test the pixels were not visible, I even switched between characters and checked twice, double checked both the wall and lavatory seat (closely as well to make sure) and this setting seems to be the one that fixed the issue. I hope this information proves useful. Is this something that can be set/noterized within Bethini, maybe make a note of it somewhere inside Bethini's GUI/UI that this particualr INI setting is/has been tested/proven to cause pixels on faces/walls etc. Thanks for your time on this matter DoubleYou. Thanks for testing this. I'll update the presets and the Fallout4Prefs.ini guides accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azumukupoe Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 Fallout 4 stutters in combat with BethINI presets for me while even vanilla Ultra works smoothly I'd appreciate any help load order: Spoiler Fallout4.esm DLCRobot.esm DLCworkshop01.esm DLCCoast.esm DLCworkshop02.esm DLCworkshop03.esm DLCNukaWorld.esm DLCUltraHighResolution.esm Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp HUDFramework.esm XDI.esm PPF.esm BetterCoastalWaves.esl FOVSlider.esl AORobcoReconScope.esl ColterFix.esp Keep Radiants In Commonwealth.esp PrestonNoRadiant.esp Keep Radiants in Commonwealth - UF4P Patch.esp No Preston Radiants - UF4P Patch.esp No Aggro Impact Landing.esp Fortune Finder 4 Fix.esp RAW INPUT.esp Immersive HUD.esp LunarFalloutOverhaul.esp InstitWeapPosit.esp RustDevilRedux.esp Lunar Overhaul - Laser Reposition Patch.esp Some_Assembly_Required_Repair_Kits.esp Complex Vendors.esp TrueInvisibility.esp SurvivalSaving_Holotapes.esp Clarity.esp Commonwealth Climate.esp CompanionStatus.esp SalvageBeacons.esp Lunar Overhaul - UF4P Patch.esp Lunar Overhaul - PARK Patch.esp Lunar Overhaul - Complex Vendors.esp Lunar Overhaul - True Invisibility Patch.esp R88_SimpleSorter.esp PRP.esp PRP-Compat-Clarity-43.esp InteriorsEnhanced-All-In-One.esp PRP-Compat-IntEnh.esp M8r Complex Sorter.esp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 Can you attach your Fallout4.ini, Fallout4Prefs.ini and Fallout4Custom.ini? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azumukupoe Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 sure Fallout4.ini Fallout4Prefs.ini Fallout4Custom.ini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleYou Posted March 9, 2022 Author Share Posted March 9, 2022 7 hours ago, azumukupoe said: Fallout 4 stutters in combat with BethINI presets for me while even vanilla Ultra works smoothly I'd appreciate any help load order: Reveal hidden contents Fallout4.esm DLCRobot.esm DLCworkshop01.esm DLCCoast.esm DLCworkshop02.esm DLCworkshop03.esm DLCNukaWorld.esm DLCUltraHighResolution.esm Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp HUDFramework.esm XDI.esm PPF.esm BetterCoastalWaves.esl FOVSlider.esl AORobcoReconScope.esl ColterFix.esp Keep Radiants In Commonwealth.esp PrestonNoRadiant.esp Keep Radiants in Commonwealth - UF4P Patch.esp No Preston Radiants - UF4P Patch.esp No Aggro Impact Landing.esp Fortune Finder 4 Fix.esp RAW INPUT.esp Immersive HUD.esp LunarFalloutOverhaul.esp InstitWeapPosit.esp RustDevilRedux.esp Lunar Overhaul - Laser Reposition Patch.esp Some_Assembly_Required_Repair_Kits.esp Complex Vendors.esp TrueInvisibility.esp SurvivalSaving_Holotapes.esp Clarity.esp Commonwealth Climate.esp CompanionStatus.esp SalvageBeacons.esp Lunar Overhaul - UF4P Patch.esp Lunar Overhaul - PARK Patch.esp Lunar Overhaul - Complex Vendors.esp Lunar Overhaul - True Invisibility Patch.esp R88_SimpleSorter.esp PRP.esp PRP-Compat-Clarity-43.esp InteriorsEnhanced-All-In-One.esp PRP-Compat-IntEnh.esp M8r Complex Sorter.esp BethINI Ultra uses significantly improved texture resolution settings compared to vanilla. This may cause reduced performance on heavily modded setups utilizing very high texture sizes. The presets are generally designed to be about the same or better performance on a vanilla setup, but are in no way a direct one to one relationship, especially when mods are added into the picture. Use a lower BethINI preset to remove performance issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azumukupoe Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 8 hours ago, DoubleYou said: BethINI Ultra uses significantly improved texture resolution settings compared to vanilla. This may cause reduced performance on heavily modded setups utilizing very high texture sizes. The presets are generally designed to be about the same or better performance on a vanilla setup, but are in no way a direct one to one relationship, especially when mods are added into the picture. Use a lower BethINI preset to remove performance issues. well I followed this guide then added some HUD mods though I don't know if it's a heavily modded setup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thantoasty_ Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 (edited) hello, first post, very new to this site but I figured i'd share some of my findings on fallout 4 with bethINI 3.6. regarding the blocky HBAO+ mentioned above, i also had this issue. and regarding the heavy stuttering; i found that when using the bethINI presets, under the [General] list, iTextureUpgradeDistance and iTextureDegradeDistance is pushed WAY, WAY too high. like comically high. its insane. no idea who thought this was a good idea but this if someone could verify that this is happening on their end also, i think we'll have found our culprit. i use the vanilla high res pack and it quickly fills up 8gb vram + 16gb system ram on the very first save load and starts dying badly. these can be changed to their default values easily though if you wanna actually be able to play the game. here's what bethINI HIGH preset pushes them to... iTextureUpgradeDistance1=8192!!!!!!!!! iTextureUpgradeDistance0=4096!!!!!!!!!! iTextureDegradeDistance1=10240!!!!!!!!!!!! iTextureDegradeDistance0=6144!!!!!!!!!!! ...and here are the vanilla values: iTextureUpgradeDistance1=1200 iTextureUpgradeDistance0=600 iTextureDegradeDistance1=1500 iTextureDegradeDistance0=800 Edited March 12, 2022 by thantoasty_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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