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No, but we also recommend redirecting SKSE output to a mod via the MO EXE setup so that this stuff doesn't go into overwrite (ame thing for certain other tools that output logs, etc. often). It is worth looking at that output, but it's usually just junk [Create files in mod instead of overwrite] in MO EXE config

If the issue is not presenting itself again, I would chalk it up as a temporary problem that has since been resolved somehow.

Run LOOT from MO as normal. You have it set up correctly in MO Click the ellipse in upper right of LOOT app. Configure paths ./Skyrim is common relative path notation for "folder in current directory", in this case, named Skyrim. Technically, it is better to use ../Skyrim relative path, since that generally means "relative path in directory above current directory" ... or ../../../Skyrim is three dirs above and so on. We don't know where every user has installed steam, so we just use ../Skyrim.

I think your issues may be related to where you are installing things (under UAC-protected dirs), and we don't advise anyone how to get around that other than using a different location (it's related to Windows security/ownership settings). We set everything up under Drive:Modding (as the guide indicates at very beginning). Just look at the table of contents to jump to relevant areas. I think you should be going over that entire guide step by step to verify your setup against what we recommend. Tools installed in path outside of UAT and as 'standalone' apps. The other potential issue is how you have MO2 installed and configured. That can easily be referenced as well (standalone vs portable, descriptions of profiles and instances). We have links to all of the pertinent instructions. For LOOT, just open LOOT and go into the settings at upper right. Be sure your paths are correct for the games of interest. All of your issues should be resolved if you go through that guide from top to bottom. You can obviously skip over parts that you know are already correct or not applicable.

AWESOME. This is the advice for which I was fishing. I can get confused by phraseology, since I am a literal thinker (and pedantic to boot ... very annoying, I know).

That's my issue with Discord for content that is static and always applicable (like a manual or instructions). Discord sucks for that, even with pinning. No reason for all users needing to sift through conversations to find what should be in the manual. OK, I totally see the reasoning for excluding -allowmastersedit in that case but will let @TechAngel85 qualify if there was any historic reason to do so. -iknowwhatimdoing switch makes sense for us though.

That would be a most welcome activity. Keen to hear your outcome/opinions.

See this You REALLY should read the setup guide I linked. All of the answers are there for the Frostfall profile issue you are having as well as many of the other issues you are likely to run into. Otherwise, we will be unnecessarily troubleshooting your issues that are almost certainly related to your setup. Hence, look at our recommendations for said setup, which is why we created the guide. It does require reading, which I know many people hate to do ... but it beats typing, which is what you and we all have to do (redundantly) in order to support what is otherwise documented precisely to alleviate our having to do so. If you have any trouble understanding a relevant aspect of the setup guide, certainly, you should post to get clarification, which helps to improve the article.

OK, so it is implied. I understand now how it would not be possible to 'render' a text *.btt file. I am trying to fully understand so that if/when I explain it to our readers, I don't misrepresent reality. So, the following statements must be true?: fTreeLoadDistance affects the distance from the PC that tree billboards are rendered on the atlas (as opposed to 'full' trees closer to the PC) fTreeLoadDistance affects traditional billboard tree LOD and NOT object tree LOD. Ticking "Ultra" in settings, OR setting fTreeLoadDistance=0 disables traditional billboard tree LOD.

Yes, I read that section several times and looked elsewhere. Nothing explicitly mentions that this setting only has an impact when "Generate tree LOD" is ticked. Just confirming that it is implicit, given how LOD works with tree billboards and *.btt files. When trees are all rendered as object LOD in LOD 4 zone, fTreeLoadDistance can be 0 or 500000 and there is no difference. Otherwise, it works as expected.

@sheson I'm testing presets/performance and want to confirm that SkyrimPrefs.ini setting fTreeLoadDistance only affects billboards and not statics. Is it accurate to say that this setting affects *.btt render distance and not *.bto?

Yeah, I noticed that and disabled that one while testing.

I grabbed this mod and related on Mar28, and it looks like it was updated on Apr 10, so feel free to modify the OP with new install instructions once you get it finalized. I disabled Smithing Perks in my load to avoid the issues, so please share your findings on that, too. I don't have enough familiarity with the vanilla and Step-modified perk system to make any sound judgements on record-level particulars.

@sheson I'm optimizing some mesh rules and am not finding (as per "Performance" sec in doc): Did the file name/location change for mesh counts? Perhaps it may be in ..\DynDOLOD-3.00\Edit Scripts\Export\LODGen_SSE_Export_{worldspace}.txt? 00000E07 00000000 71609.585938 64077.003906 2981.428223 11.459200 0.000000 63.025398 1.000000 RockL01Snow 00010800 Snow Meshes\landscape\rocks\rockl01.nif meshes\lod\rocks\rockl01_lod_0.nif 00000E08 00000000 71816.445312 64159.859375 2944.403564 34.377499 0.000000 325.622711 1.000000 RockL03Snow 00010800 Snow Meshes\landscape\rocks\rockl03.nif meshes\lod\rocks\rockl03_lod_0.nif 00000E09 00000000 72022.960938 64219.187500 2672.896973 18.178499 2.584900 354.035492 1.530000 RockL01Snow 00010800 Snow Meshes\landscape\rocks\rockl01.nif meshes\lod\rocks\rockl01_lod_0.nif 00000E0A 00000000 72097.328125 64461.078125 2582.655518 25.023399 323.743011 32.382000 1.000000 RockL01Snow 00010800 Snow Meshes\landscape\rocks\rockl01.nif meshes\lod\rocks\rockl01_lod_0.nif

I reached out to the author of this guide on Nexus. This looks like a modding guide that includes all terrain and object LOD in the download that is obviously only applicable to those that follow all instructions and make no customizations --and if the authors themselves get LODGen right in the first place. I've been trying to communicate to various mod authors that include *.bto, *.btt, and *.btr files in their mods that doing so introduces potential for chasing many wild geese while herding cats across and through neighboring properties. I have seen a few posts on this site relating to issues with "Skyrim 2021", because the authors evidently are not able to meet their support demand. Unsurprisingly, not all is LOD related.

I've determined that the issues posted are all related to the Skyrim 2021 guide someone posted on the Nexus. Please go to those authors for support for their guide.

I've determined that the issues posted are all related to the Skyrim 2021 guide someone posted on the Nexus. Please go to those authors for support for their guide.

Gold is probably the most vanilla-friendly improvement.

I ran v80 without issue recently but had the same issue with previous versions. I just saved the output, noted the worldspace where it failed in the log, and regenerated only the remaining worldspaces (they seem to execute in order of those listed in xLODGen). I copied the latest output over to former with overwrite. It seemed to work fine.

Yeah, slowing the game a bit seems like a good thing. I personally like 10 min, but 15 is a nice compromise.

Thanks for the shots. I like Iconic's for sure, and either gold or bronze seem to be a nice replacer for vanilla. I prefer the crispness of the bronze but I like them both.

You are suffering from a classic conflation of "too many factors". Please read and follow our setup guide to get a stable base game and to configure modding tools correctly. Understand the differences in how MO can be installed and used. Understand how profiles and 'instances' work. Copying a profile versus creating a new one. Installing and initializing Skyrim for the first time.

You need to find that out for yourself. Every PC environment is more-or-less unique. SSE Display Tweaks is the best GFX & Havok-fixing mod I know of, so you should be using it. What I'm saying is that it has several key settings that can fix the wild frame-rate and lagging issues that more modern systems can experience running Skyrim. I had the same sorts of issues, and my PC is pretty beefy. Turned out it was related to how I was capping my frame rates and using vsync. The game config files, driver-soft settings, and any number of mods can redundantly set these things and 'break' them (e.g., ENB, grass mods, SKSE mods, etc.). SSE Display Tweaks helped me to resolve them. Read through the settings and look at SwapEffect setting. I have it at 'auto' now, but flip_sequential also worked for me. Set your INI according to the recommendations I linked, and carefully read through the SSE Display Tweaks settings. Don't invoke a bunch of your driver-soft settings just because they seem 'good'. Skyrim is not a modern game and cannot benefit from much of that. More is not better. Rule out all of the potential factors disrupting your game by making things solid and stable BEFORE you begin generating LOD. Get vanilla running perfectly before you begin installing a bunch of mods. Then begin by installing only foundational mods, extenders, and fixes. Test along the way. Otherwise, it becomes very difficult to pin down your issues. I recommend disabling all LOD mods and getting your general config and mod list in order. You should also NOT be using an ENB until base game, mod list, and LOD are all working properly. It's an iterative process.

Sounds like GFX settings. For Skyrim, I hand off almost everything to the game and don't use any driver software to manage AA/AF or texture optimization, etc. I do use driver-soft for vsync though. You might want to look at SSE Display Tweaks SwapEffect and frame limiter settings. Sounds to me like these might be the issues. Occlusion helps rather than hurts performance.

There are many performance options with DynDOLOD and Skyrim in general. First step is to modify your game INI settings ... you can use BethINI or the Skyrim Launcher to select between low/medium/high/ultra presets. Doing so modifies various settings automatically (like view distances that DynDLOD also uses). I am currently writing instructions for this in our development guide. With DynDOLOD, you can also do many other things. Using the low/medium/high presets in that adjusts many mesh rules that help. Unchecking 'Ultra' (no more 3D trees though) and Upgrade NearGrid references to FarGrid improve performance. I use 'high' setting and add the following mesh rules (changing LOD Level 8 to Billboard/Billboard2 for 'tree' should improve performance though): Grass LOD config changes can also help ... again this is a WIP and not finalized. Also will need sheson's vetting once I'm done. Lastly, look at the OPs on this thread for sheson's recommendations for DynDOLOD 3 ... and also read through the many, many help documents in the DynDOLOD subfolders.