ACCEPTED ELFX Fixes (by wizkid34)

[z929669]

Discussion topic:
ELFX Fixes by wizkid34
Wiki Link

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Accepted for v2.0.0

[TechAngel85]

Wiki page updated with complete instructions.

[D1Z4STR]

How come STEP does not use ELFX SkySan SMIM fixes recommend by WiZkiD to go along with ELFX Fixes? He mentions using it on his fixes mod page and on his server as a pinned ELFX install order.

Edited November 2, 2021 by D1Z4STR

[DoubleYou]

2 hours ago, D1Z4STR said:

How come STEP does not use ELFX SkySan SMIM fixes recommend by WiZkiD to go along with ELFX Fixes? He mentions using it on his fixes mod page and on his server as a pinned ELFX install order.

We are only using the meshes. We do not actually use ELFX, so we won't have the FPS issue fixed by that mod. 

[D1Z4STR]

Thanks for the clarification DoubleYou

[Mercury71]

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[z929669]

Note the reflection is waaaay off in the Ragged Flagon:

Fixed by using "ELFX Fixes Ragged Flagon Fix.esp", which we are not using in testing ATM:

We either need to use this plugin or forward these changes into the CR Patch. I suspect the same is true for some of the fixes specified by the other plugin we are making optional: "ELFX Fixes.esp", which has "EnhancedLightsandFX.esp" (which we are also making optional)

[Greg]

I thought we were using only the meshes in ELFX and ELFX Fixes?

[z929669]

33 minutes ago, Greg said:

I thought we were using only the meshes in ELFX and ELFX Fixes?

We are, but that's part of the problem. The optional plugin points to the mesh cubemap, data\Textures\cubemaps\ELFX\raggedflagon_e.dds, from ELFX, which must not be correct in "EnhancedLightsandFX.esp", hence this patch. Data\Textures\Cubemaps\WRTemple_e.dds from Skyrim.esm is used without the plugin ref.

Easy test. just use the Thieves guild option in Alternate Start with mods installed as per the 2.0.0 WIP instructions.

EDIT: The plugin is ESL flagged, so we should just use that. Wiki instructions modified.

[DoubleYou]

1 hour ago, z929669 said:

We are, but that's part of the problem. The optional plugin points to the mesh cubemap, data\Textures\cubemaps\ELFX\raggedflagon_e.dds, from ELFX, which must not be correct in "EnhancedLightsandFX.esp", hence this patch. Data\Textures\Cubemaps\WRTemple_e.dds from Skyrim.esm is used without the plugin ref.

Easy test. just use the Thieves guild option in Alternate Start with mods installed as per the 2.0.0 WIP instructions.

EDIT: The plugin is ESL flagged, so we should just use that. Wiki instructions modified.

We're not using EnhancedLightsandFX.esp I thought?

[z929669]

1 hour ago, DoubleYou said:

We're not using EnhancedLightsandFX.esp I thought?

Correct. We're hiding that one. Just saying that "ELF Fixes.esp" references that, and there may be similar fixes as defined by the Ragged Flagon plugin.

EDIT: EnhancedLightsandFX.esp probably doesn't reference this texture, which is why this mod has the plugin to fix ... which works for our purposes. If we wanted to use "ELF Fixes.esp", we would need the master, EnhancedLightsandFX.esp. We may want to look at "ELF Fixes.esp" and forward some of those changes into our patch.

[Greg]

I think I see the problem with this one. If you look at the ELFX Fixes Ragged Flagon Fix in xEdit, you'll see (surprise!) that the vanilla game is using the Whiterun Temple cubemap (Textures\Cubemaps\WRTemple_e.dds) on the water in the Ragged Flagon. It's been a while since I looked at the water here so I'm guessing the vanilla cubemap is so vague that it wasn't noticeable. Quality Cubemaps changes this cubemap to one that sticks out like a sore thumb and ELFX Fixes Ragged Flagon Fix changes this to use Textures\cubemaps\ELFX\raggedflagon_e.dds so it's a better match.

[z929669]

21 minutes ago, Greg said:

I think I see the problem with this one. If you look at the ELFX Fixes Ragged Flagon Fix in xEdit, you'll see (surprise!) that the vanilla game is using the Whiterun Temple cubemap (Textures\Cubemaps\WRTemple_e.dds) on the water in the Ragged Flagon. It's been a while since I looked at the water here so I'm guessing the vanilla cubemap is so vague that it wasn't noticeable. Quality Cubemaps changes this cubemap to one that sticks out like a sore thumb and ELFX Fixes Ragged Flagon Fix changes this to use Textures\cubemaps\ELFX\raggedflagon_e.dds so it's a better match.

Zactly. I just was waiting for you guys to see for yourselves I only dug far enough to recommend a solution (use the plugin from this mod, since it's ESL).

[Mousetick]

Edit: Never mind. I didn't have Realistic Water Two in my load order. Please ignore.

I don't know about you but for me LOOT sorts ASLAL after ELFX Fixes Ragged Flagon Fix, and ASLAL basically reverts all the changes to vanilla values. So if you really wanted the tweaked cube map you'd have to put it in the CR patch I guess.

Edited November 28, 2021 by Mousetick

[TechAngel85]

On 11/27/2021 at 6:02 PM, z929669 said:

Correct. We're hiding that one. Just saying that "ELF Fixes.esp" references that, and there may be similar fixes as defined by the Ragged Flagon plugin.

EDIT: EnhancedLightsandFX.esp probably doesn't reference this texture, which is why this mod has the plugin to fix ... which works for our purposes. If we wanted to use "ELF Fixes.esp", we would need the master, EnhancedLightsandFX.esp. We may want to look at "ELF Fixes.esp" and forward some of those changes into our patch.

I've now done this for the next patch update. There were a couple fixes just like this one that I forwarded from ELFX Fixes.esp; Faldar's Tooth and Riften Fishery. These two just switch the cubemap out with a black texture, which works, but isn't ideal. The better solution is to set up the reflections properly so the water is reflecting the walls, ceiling, objects, etc. I've seen this in the CK, but have never done it myself. I can look into this for an RWT update. For now, this is a quick and dirty solution that disables the water reflection.

I've also incorporated the Ragged Flagon fix into the Patch. We don't want to use the plugin from the mod, regardless if it is an ESL, because it also includes ELFX's lighting changes to the interior, which is not desirable. This is something I had planned to do, just hadn't done it yet. Thus are the consequences of running mosting unpatched (SAE CR Patch is barebones). So a lot of chaning for nothing, but you can go back to the original of plan of hiding the plugins once this updated Patch is up.