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This may be somewhat redundant with DynDOLOD occlusion.esp. It will also likely be incompatible with Smooth Shores and landscape/Water Fixes, but I haven't checked.

Can you add a screen showing the barrels with the mod you mention? If you think it works, maybe create the mod page for that and post the compares there. I created a new editor plugin that makes it simple to create mod pages now using the delta button.

Some of your upscales are more obviously better than others with respect to vanilla, but all are more/less better, so I vote to create a mod page for your new mod and accept for 2.0.0

@Majorman @Mousetick @D1Z4STR See OP and best answer in this topic for an easy way to create mod topics ... finally.

I also added a simple <hr> button to replace that terrible paginator thing:

Your upscale is definitely better. Did you upscale normal and diffuse?

See best answer on page 1

Yeah, that's essentially what I was suggesting

I didn't realize that the mod installed this and only this without a bunch of other stuff to account for.

Discussion topic: My Mod by Me Wiki Link YES, we now have a tool in the editor to do this:

I just found something. Go into incognito mode in Chrome, and try copy/paste that way to see if it grabs the background.

OK, so I am reading: "don't consider JS Shrines for Step, and drop Ren's". We both seem to be in favor, so that's enough, but ... I'd like to hear what DY and Greg have to say as well as anyone else.

Terrible 'standard' they are trying to set. Invalid assumption to bring some styling but not all. Copying text should copy all text and layout styling but not anything else. Just copy, not 'deep' copy.

I think simpler is better, so I favor hiding the mesh, since it's identical (albeit last screen has ENB active and maybe some other mod diffs as mentioned)

But vanilla has stretching and in this case, it's vanilla everywhere (including lighting/weather). We would need to see vanilla for this particular texture ONLY to have apples:apples. I should have mentioned this: Step vanilla (current dev with vanilla only for what's being compared) > Step (current dev) > Step (current dev + mod in question)

Then as I mentioned in our Ren's debate long ago ... if you feel JS takes it too far, then I say we go back to vanilla. Ren's takes too many liberties as well and it has ENB issues to boot (even with mesh patching, its still unacceptable, IMO). I cannot believe nobody has done a vanilla retexture and mesh fixes. I see no conflicts with these meshes outside of the USSEP and Unofficial Material Fix with Ren's installed (Step 2.0.0 with all of the meshes we are testing). Amazing. EDIT: Do note that if JS is out of bounds regarding the Mandate, so is Ren's. It is not acceptable to retain Ren's in that case. If you disagree, then majority favors JS for this.

Yes, Chrome hoses everything. Just look at the quote above. It strips bold and ADDs background. Horrible. So if you first paste as plain text in text editor and then re-copy/paste from that, all is good? If you could research and find the Chrome setting that is responsible, that would be wonderful. Then we can add this tweak to the instructions. I do test with Chrome as secondary, but I do all primary development under FF ... and this is why. Chrome is definitely inserting itself where it isn't wanted based on invalid assumptions (just like MS browsers).

I meant just the plain edit mode. No diff either way under FF. I'm guessing this is Chrome 'creep'. That browser always did annoy me but for the dev tools. FF has gotten a lot better in that regard. I think it's safe to assume most people use Chrome though (wagon riders!), so I will add the styling to the HTML and you can retest. EDIT: well, the font-weight style is already in there, duh. Somehow, you Chrome is stripping it: Greg: <p> <span style="font-size:14px; font-weight:bold;">Discussion topic:</span><br> <span style="font-size:24px; font-weight:bold;"><a data-ipb="nomediaparse" href="https://www.nexusmods.com/URL" rel="external nofollow" target="_blank">PasteModNameAndURL</a></span><span style="font-size:14px;"> by PasteAuthor(s)</span><br> <span style="font-size:18px;"><a data-ipb="nomediaparse" href="https://stepmodifications.org/wiki/SkyrimSE:MODNAME" rel="" target="_blank">(update)Wiki Link</a></span> </p> <hr> <p> </p> Mine: <p> <span style="font-size:14px; font-weight:bold;">Discussion topic:</span><br> <span style="font-size:24px; font-weight:bold;"><a data-ipb="nomediaparse" href="https://www.nexusmods.com/URL" rel="external nofollow">PasteModNameAndURL</a></span><span style="font-size:14px;"> by PasteAuthor</span><br> <span style="font-size:18px;"><a data-ipb="nomediaparse" href="https://stepmodifications.org/wiki/SkyrimSE:MODNAME" rel="" target="_blank">Wiki Link</a></span> </p> <hr> <p> </p> DY: <p style="background-color:#2e343d; color:#aaaaaa; font-size:14px; text-align:start"> <span style="font-size:14px">Discussion topic:</span><br> <span style="font-size:24px"><a data-ipb="nomediaparse" href="https://www.nexusmods.com/URL" rel="external nofollow" style="background-color:transparent; color:#80aacf" target="_blank">PasteModNameAndURL</a></span><span style="font-size:14px"><span> </span>by PasteAuthor(s)</span><br> <span style="font-size:18px"><a data-ipb="nomediaparse" href="https://stepmodifications.org/wiki/SkyrimSE:MODNAME" rel="" style="background-color:transparent; color:#80aacf" target="_blank">(update)Wiki Link</a></span> </p> <hr style="background-color:#2e343d; border-style:solid; border-width:2px; color:#888888; font-size:14px; text-align:start"> <p style="background-color:#2e343d; color:#aaaaaa; font-size:14px; text-align:start"> </p> So Chrome is hacking the crap out of the HTML via WYSIWYG copy. Maybe it's some custom styling or a plugin you have forgotten about? Otherwise, it's some Chrome setting. Google is acting more and more like MS if that's the case. I think Tech uses Chrome too, but he didn't have this issue when he demonstrated this idea on the other topic: EDIT: Tech mediated with a text editor, so this is NOT a rich-text copy/paste <p> <span style="font-size:14px; font-weight:bold;">Discussion topic:</span><br> <span style="font-size:24px; font-weight:bold;"><a data-ipb="nomediaparse" href="https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/NexusID" rel="external nofollow">MODNAME</a></span><span style="font-size:14px;"> by AUTHOR</span><br> <span style="font-size:18px;"><a data-ipb="nomediaparse" href="https://stepmodifications.org/wiki/SkyrimSE:MODNAME" rel="" target="_blank">Wiki Link</a></span> </p> <hr> <p> &nbsp; </p>

Thanks for posting the compares ... I recall not liking Rens so much due to some stark changes relative to vanilla for some shrines. On the other hand, some of the vanilla models and textures were hastily done or made by different artists. Like Ren's, JS Shrines takes some liberties with the models rather than trying to reproduce a better vanilla look. All have their issues, but I think JS Shrines is the highest quality. I just wish the models were a bit closer to vanilla. Shrine of Stendarr is the biggest offender, but overall, it's still the best overall, IMO.

Nicely done. I agree that we need to drop the Glorious Scaffolding travesty. Cleverchaff is good and maybe the best worn wood look, but I do think the SMIM/SRO are the closest to vanilla.

The vanilla lacks our lighting, so it's not a fair compare really. I like the SMIM (last screen from Greg's compare). Also, Check our SMIM instructions. We are using Dungeons/Glorious Scaffolding, so I have no idea what Greg's middle image is. It should be same as last image: doh ... in that case, yes, we should remove that option. @Mousetick Do you mind adding the SMIM screen without this option? option 3 is superior and looks good to me. SMIM without Dungeons/Glorious

Just copy without going into edit mode. Looks like you are also getting the background, which isn't good. Test with quote from Greg's: Yep, that's nice. Test copy from edit mode: Discussion topic: PasteModNameAndURL by PasteAuthor Wiki Link Hmmm, what browser are you guys using? I am using Waterfox (FF variant) without issue.

OK, sounds good. I will remove that instruction

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