pack A Real Explorer's Guide to Skyrim

[Ghostwise]

Hello folks - n00b question.

 

If I follow the procedure meticulously, I don't have the esps noted in the load order instructions. Frex - if I Only download the OPTIONAL file "REGS Compatible version"   for Better City Entrances, I only have REGS - Better City Entrance.esp and not the Better City Entrance - All in One.esp which is mentioned immediately after when it comes to adding a BOSS userlist rule.

 

Like wise, if I use the Version: 1.7 (Better Docks FOMOD installer)  for Better Docks if have the REGS - Better Docks.esp, but not the BetterDocks-MP-DLC-Compatible.esp I'm told should come before in my load order.

 

Which is the correct version ? The baseline esp plus the REGS esp right after it (as explained in the BOSS Userlist Updating notes), or just the REGS esp (which seems to be the intent of the explanations) ?

 

Thanks.

 

Confused in Whiterun.

[MonoAccipiter]

Hello folks - n00b question.

 

If I follow the procedure meticulously, I don't have the esps noted in the load order instructions. Frex - if I Only download the OPTIONAL file "REGS Compatible version"   for Better City Entrances, I only have REGS - Better City Entrance.esp and not the Better City Entrance - All in One.esp which is mentioned immediately after when it comes to adding a BOSS userlist rule.

 

Like wise, if I use the Version: 1.7 (Better Docks FOMOD installer)  for Better Docks if have the REGS - Better Docks.esp, but not the BetterDocks-MP-DLC-Compatible.esp I'm told should come before in my load order.

 

Which is the correct version ? The baseline esp plus the REGS esp right after it (as explained in the BOSS Userlist Updating notes), or just the REGS esp (which seems to be the intent of the explanations) ?

 

Thanks.

 

Confused in Whiterun.

Hi, Ghostwise! I understand why this might be confusing, but it's actually rather simple. BOSS uses a masterlist with rules for where to put every plugin in order to have them in the correct order, but it hasn't been updated with all the newest mods, so some plugins don't have rules. By default this results in BOSS putting them at the bottom of your load order, which you probably understand isn't always ideal. What BUM does is it allows you to add new entries to the masterlist, meaning you can add a rule for where you want it to place for example REGS - Better Docks.esp. By following the instructions in the load order instructions you basically tell BOSS "Hey, go put REGS - Better Docks.esp after where you would normally put BetterDocks-MP-DLC-Compatible.esp". For this purpose you don't need the mod already in the masterlist.

[Ghostwise]

Oh, I get it now. Might I suggest adding a sentence about that, perhaps in the Pre-Installation Setup section ? That way people won't pester you with questions (or run into the issue and quietly give up), hopefully.

 

For now my attempts to use BUM have been a dismal failure and I've used the user list tool in BOSS instead, but I'll delete the two mods and try again now that I understand your intent better.

 

Thanks !

Edited March 8, 2014 by Ghostwise

[Ghostwise]

Heh. Further question...

 

Open BUM -> select REGS- Better City Entrances.esp in the lower panel -> ensure that the first operator is ADD and the second AFTER. So far so good.

 

However if I type "Better City Entrances - All in one.esp" after the AFTER field, the rule is invalid since the object isn't defined in either the user list or the master list. And searching the master list for "Better City" only ever produces Better Candlelight.esp. Which I'm sure is nice, but doesn't quite presently help. The Skyrim Masterlist is version 7340 (2013-07-22).

 

What am I missing, since I seem to be doing the basic operations correctly ? Thanks.

[MonoAccipiter]

Heh. Further question...

 

Open BUM -> select REGS- Better City Entrances.esp in the lower panel -> ensure that the first operator is ADD and the second AFTER. So far so good.

 

However if I type "Better City Entrances - All in one.esp" after the AFTER field, the rule is invalid since the object isn't defined in either the user list or the master list. And searching the master list for "Better City" only ever produces Better Candlelight.esp. Which I'm sure is nice, but doesn't quite presently help. The Skyrim Masterlist is version 7340 (2013-07-22).

 

What am I missing, since I seem to be doing the basic operations correctly ? Thanks.

You have an old version of the masterlist, try running BOSS once (through MO if you have that) to have it download the newest masterlist. The version I am currently using is 7845.

Edited December 6, 2014 by MonoAccipiter

[CJ2311]

Your masterlist is quite old, the latest version was released on 22/02/2014 or something similar... That might be why "Better City Entrances - All in one.esp" isn't defined in it... I'd suggest updating it by running BOSS.Or, you could use this rule instead:

REGS - Better City Entrances.esp BOTTOM City Overhauls

 

So instead of selecting the AFTER operator, select BOTTOM and type "City Overhauls"

[Ghostwise]

You have an old version of the masterlist, try running BOSS once (trough MO if you have that) to have it download the newest masterlist. The version I am currently using is 7845.

Makes sense (that's why I specified my version #). However my BOSS has been run quite a few times, and in its summary helpfully confirms that : "Your masterlist is already at the latest revision (r0; 2014-02-25). No update necessary."

 

I've also launched BOSS from within BUM, just in case, but I still have my old update list - no auto-update seems possible.

 

Let's see... both BOSS and BUM are simply installed in E:/BOSS, like this :

 

 

Mmmm... ah ah ! I have a E:/BOSS/Skyrim folder with a masterlist in it... but also a E:/BOSS/Skyrim/Skyrim folder with a masterlist in it. So problem located I guess, though I'll have to think about how I fix that.

Edited March 8, 2014 by Ghostwise

[CJ2311]

Yeah, it seems like BUM is not accessing the same masterlist file as BOSS, which is caused by the fact that you didn't install BOSS and BUM in the same folder. (You seem to have installed BOSS in "E:BOSS" and BUM in "E:BOSSSkyrim"

 

It's rather annoying that the BOSS masterlists got frozen to be honest, thankfully the BOSS team seems to have decided to go back to maintaing BOSS v2 and updating the masterlists.

[Ghostwise]

Yeah, we're all quite dependent on the BOSS guys.

 

New test - fresh install of BUM, same file structure is produced. As it happens BOSS is at /BOSS/BOSS.exe, but its masterlists is in /BOSS/Skyrim/Skyrim. So it's BOSS, not BUM, who has an odd path to its lists. Same issue as before if BUM is run from within the  /BOSS/ folder ; complete application failure if I move the .exe to /BOSS/Skyrim in the hope that it'll follow the correct path to the /Skyrim/Skyrim folder next to it, used by BOSS.

 

Let's move up the content of /Skyrim/Skyrim into /Skyrim, and delete /Skyrim/Skyrim... nope, BOSS recreates /Skyrim/Skyrim and writes its lists there as soon as it is run. Though now I have the proper masterlist in the folder used by BUM (since I copied it into the Skyrim folder used by BUM). So, progress.

 

I suppose I can copy my completed user list to the /Skyrim/Skyrim folder used by BOSS when I'm done with BUM... no reason why it shouldn't work, eh ? Or maybe reinstall BOSS, just in case.

 

Could the issue be caused by Mod Organiser ? I'm launching both BOSS and BUM from within MO.

[CJ2311]

I suppose I can copy my completed user list to the /Skyrim/Skyrim folder used by BOSS when I'm done with BUM... no reason why it shouldn't work, eh ? Or maybe reinstall BOSS, just in case.

Copying the file will work indeed. But I still would reinstall BOSS regardless if I were you.

Could the issue be caused by Mod Organiser ? I'm launching both BOSS and BUM from within MO.

Unlikely, MO doesn't handle any files outside of the "skyrimdata" folder.

[Ghostwise]

Awright, a fresh reinstall of BOSS then having it run from within Mod Organiser creates a proper path : E:/BOSS/Skyrim for the lists.

 

I have to run now, but the problem is almost certainly solved.

 

Why did my previous BOSS install keep using a E:/BOSS/Skyrim/Skyrim path to write its files ? For now, I blame falmers. I always do.

Unlikely, MO doesn't handle any files outside of the "skyrimdata" folder.

 

Good to know, thanks.

Edited March 8, 2014 by Ghostwise

[CJ2311]

Blame the Dwemer instead, they're the ones who started it all!

[Nearox]

Blame Nearox for that, I told him not to forward the scripts but he was all like "It's a question of principle" ::P:Personally I'd say not to bother with the NPC records from College of Winterhold, unless you don't want the changes it makes, in which case just copy the records from BYOD as override instead :)

FINE :DI removed those from the SRLE/REGS guide.

[Redferne]

I'm still continuing to add mods from the pack and I just wanted to tell that there is no BSA for Amber Guard. You might want to modify the description :)

[CJ2311]

I'm still continuing to add mods from the pack and I just wanted to tell that there is no BSA for Amber Guard. You might want to modify the description :)

Right you are, it is fixed now :)