pack A Real Explorer's Guide to Skyrim

[Nearox]

What I mean is all the double buildings we talked about yesterday on Nexus :)

[CJ2311]

I'm confused, you said this in the convo yesterday:

 

Ugh, you're right, the NSUTR patch was still ticked in MO... time for me to go to sleep it seems lol.

 

Evertyhing appears to be working then, you can scratch your notes

Am I missing another conversation somewhere else? :o

[Eplebit]

Do you only get this issue near Whiterun, or does it also happen near Solitude?

And yeah, load order might be helpful.

I teleported to inside Solitude and went out of the gates and it crashed 10 seconds later. So yeah, crashes there as well. Here's my load order. Any help would be greatly appreciated! The load order uses STEP as a core, then your pack and then some other stuff that I mostly found on other STEP guides.

 

 

Skyrim.esm 

Update.esm 

Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp Version 2.0.3 

Dawnguard.esm 

Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp Version 2.0.3 

HearthFires.esm 

Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp Version 2.0.3 

Dragonborn.esm 

Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp Version 2.0.3 

Wyrmstooth.esp Version 1.10 

Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm 

ClimatesOfTamriel.esm Version 3.1 

ETaC - RESOURCES.esm 

Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm 

moonpath.esm 

WinterholdDestruction.esm 

REGS - Resources.esm 

HighResTexturePack01.esp 

HighResTexturePack02.esp 

HighResTexturePack03.esp 

Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp Version 1.1.6 

Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp 

Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp 

Chesko_Frostfall.esp 

PNENB.esp Version 1.0 

Rainbows.esp Version 1.05 

SplashofRain.esp Version 1.04 

ExpandedSnowSystems-CoT.esp 

ADS.esp 

AOS.esp 

BWS.esp 

DragonShoutVoice.esp 

IHSS.esp 

Improved Combat Sounds v2.2.esp 

randomthunder.esp 

BrighterTorchesBiggerMagelight.esp 

realrainCoT.esp Version 4 

mintylightningmod.esp 

MintyLightningMod_COT_Patch.esp 

Cutting Room Floor.esp Version 1.0.5 

StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp 

StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp 

StaticMeshImprovementMod-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp 

TradeBarter.esp 

83Willows_101BUGS_V4_LowRes.esp Version 4.1 

Auto Unequip Ammo.esp 

BellyachesNewDragonSpecies.esp 

BirdsHFclean.esp 

Bring Out Your Dead.esp Version 1.2.4 

Chesko_WearableLantern.esp 

ClamsDropPearls.esp 

Dead Body Collision.esp

Disease Descriptions.esp 

DD_Dawnguard Additions.esp 

DD_Dragonborn Additions.esp 

Dual Sheath Redux.esp 

fFastTravelSpeedMult_4.esp Version 1.0 

High Level Enemies Merged.esp 

Hunterborn.esp 

Hunterborn_Dawnguard-Patch.esp 

Hunterborn_Frostfall-Patch.esp

Immersive Patrols Merged All.esp 

Moss Rocks.esp

Moss Rocks_DB.esp

ORM-Arvak.esp 

PilgrimsDelight.esp 

Point The Way.esp Version 1.0.2 

Radiant and Unique Potions Poisons and Booze.esp 

ShootingStars.esp Version 1.041 

Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp Version v6.5.2 

Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp Version v6.5.2 

Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp 

SkyrimImprovedPuddles-DG-HF-DB.esp Version 1.1 

SMDropLitTorch.esp 

Traps Make Noise.esp

WetandCold.esp Version 1.402 

WetandCold - Ashes.esp Version 1.07 

Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp 

Footprints.esp 

Footprints - Ash.esp 

NoxUE2.00.esp 

RaceMenu.esp 

SkyUI.esp Version 4.1 

iHUD.esp 

Cloaks.esp 

Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp 

1nivWICCloaks.esp Version 2.3 

Daedric Dawnbreaker.esp 

DDB_NS_Skyre_Patch.esp 

Elemental Staves.esp 

ExplosiveBoltsVisualized.esp 

Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp 

Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp Version 7.1 

imp_helm.esp 

imp_helm_imp.esp 

imp_helm_dawn.esp 

Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp 

Lock Overhaul.esp 

DeadlyDragons.esp 

SkyRe_Main.esp 

SkyRe_Main_Fix.esp 

SkyRe_Combat.esp 

SkyRe_EncounterZones.esp 

SkyRe_EnemyAI.esp 

SkyRe_EnemyScaling.esp 

SkyRe_EnemyScaling_Fix.esp 

SkyRe_StandingStones.esp 

SkyRe_StandingStones_Fix.esp 

SkyRe_Survivalism.esp 

Unique Uniques.esp Version 1.5 

CCO_WAFTrueWeapons_Patch.esp

CCO_Frostfall_Patch.esp 

CCO_SIC_Patch.esp 

SkyRe_SIC Crossbowfix.esp Version v6.1.2

Apple garden.esp 

BetterDGEntrance.esp Version 1.0 

CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp 

CWIDawnDragonPatch.esp 

Daggercross_Alley.esp 

Gildergreen Regrown.esp Version 1.2.6 

tos_granitehall.esp 

high hrothgar overhaul.esp 

Immersive Orc Strongholds.esp Version 0.54 

Inconsequential NPCs.esp 

Inconsequential NPCs - Enhancement.esp 

Inns and Taverns.esp 

Warning: This file contains 1 deleted NavMesh record(s) that TES5Edit cannot repair automatically and it may cause problems with your game. NavMesh deletions should be reported to the mod author. A guide to repairing NavMesh deletions with TES5Edit is located here.

moonpath_questdata.esp 

DawnofRiften.esp 

Nightingale Hall.esp 

quest_pitfighter.esp 

quest_pitfighter_dlc01.esp 

Run For Your Lives.esp Version 1.2.4 

When Vampires Attack.esp Version 1.1.1 

Sky Haven Temple M&M3.esp 

Snowbound Acres.esp 

The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp Version 1.2.7 

SkyrimCoinReplacerRedux.esp 

Appropriately Attired Jarls Redux.esp 

Book Covers Skyrim.esp 

BCS_Skyre_Patch.esp 

BlockSparkles.esp 

Distant DetailHF.esp 

Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp 

SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp Version 3.0.esp 

Paralysis.esp 

Rebirth Monster.esp 

Rebirth Monster - SIC Patch.esp Version v1 

SkyTEST-RealisticAnimalBehavior.esp 

Convenient Horses.esp Version 14950 

dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp 

dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp 

EnhancedBlood-ImprovedCombatSounds.esp 

Soul Gems Differ - E.esp 

TheChoiceIsYours.esp 

TheChoiceIsYours_Dawnguard.esp 

Thieves Guild Requirements.esp 

aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp 

Nausicaa's Tweaker.esp 

REGS - Better Docks.esp 

Drinking Fountains of Skyrim.esp 

ETaC - Complete.esp 

ETaC - Complete LoS Patch.esp 

ETaC - Complete Moon Patch.esp 

ETaC - Complete Taverns Patch.esp 

ExpandedWinterholdRuins.esp 

ETaC - Complete EWDR HF Patch.esp 

Helgen Reborn.esp Version 105.3 

RavenRockExpanded.esp 

tos_amber_guard.esp 

tos_laintardale_hf.esp 

HearthfireChimneys.esp 

Understone Keep Repair.esp 

REGS - Better City Entrances.esp 

Chesko_Step418_SN.esp

Oblivion Gates v3 without Markers - Skyrim + Dawnguard DLC.esp

STEP Patches.esp Version 3 

UniqueBorderGates-All.esp 

UniqueBorderGates-All-PointTheWay.esp 

UniqueBorderGates-All-BetterDGEntrance.esp 

Prometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.esp Version 2.3 

DawnofWindhelm.esp 

BFT Ships and Carriages - HF.esp 

ETaC - Complete BFT Patch.esp 

Provincial Courier Service.esp Version 1.2.2 

RealisticRoomRental.esp 

Warning: This file contains 1 deleted NavMesh record(s) that TES5Edit cannot repair automatically and it may cause problems with your game. NavMesh deletions should be reported to the mod author. A guide to repairing NavMesh deletions with TES5Edit is located here.

BetterQuestObjectives-DB-HF-PDP-SRP-DBFM-CIY-TGR-PRR.esp 

REGS - Cities.esp 

ETaC - Complete NSutR Patch.esp 

REGS Patch - CRF.esp 

REGS Patch - NSutR + RRR.esp 

REGS Patch - STEP Extended.esp 

EnhancedLightsandFX.esp 

ELFX - Moonpath.esp 

ELFX - NoTaverns.esp 

ELFX - Dawnguard.esp 

ELFX - Dragonborn.esp 

ELE-Interior Lighting.esp 

ELE DG-Interior Lighting.esp 

ELE HF-Interior Lighting.esp 

ELE DB-Interior Lighting.esp 

ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp Version 3.1 

ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp Version 3.1 

Supreme Storms - Cot Version.esp 

CoT-WeatherPatch.esp 

CoT-WeatherPatch_SupStorms.esp 

CoT-WeatherPatch_ESS.esp 

BFSEffects.esp Version 3.6 

DeadlySpellImpacts.esp 

Better Stealth AI for Followers.esp 

ImprovedSneakDetection.esp 

Dual Wield Parrying_SKSE.esp 

DragonCombatOverhaulDragonborn.esp 

The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp Version 1.8 

dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp 

Beards.esp Version 28363 

Brows.esp Version 30411 

3DNPC.esp 

ETaC - Complete 3DNPCs Patch.esp 

REGS Patch - 3DNPC.esp 

REGS Patch - Riften NavFull.esp 

RRR_3DNPC-Patch.esp 

RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp 

REGS Patch - RND.esp 

RND_DrinkingFountains-Patch.esp 

RND_ETaC-Patch.esp 

Hunterborn_RND-Patch.esp 

Inigo.esp 

immersive wenches.esp 

immersive wenches RRR-patch.esp 

SPTConsistentOlderPeople.esp Version 1.8 

NonEssentialChildren.esp 

dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp 

SkyRe_Races.esp 

SkyRe_Races_Fix.esp 

ETaC - Complete ELFX Patch.esp 

Animated Weapon Enchants.esp 

DawnguardRuneWeaponsFXSReplacer.esp 

RealisticWaterTwo.esp Version 1.11 

RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp 

Watercolor_for_ENB_RWT_RND.esp 

AOS Patches Merged.esp 

CWIELnFXPatch.esp 

ETaC - Complete Fountains Patch.esp 

RRR_ELFX-Patch.esp 

Bashed Patch, 0.esp Version 5/24/2014 2:24:36 AM 

Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp 

Pre ReProccer WAFR IA7 UU aMidianSS Patch.esp 

ReProccer.esp 

Post ReProccer Fixes IA7 UU aMidianSS Patch.esp 

 

 

[mooncrow]

I have a similar issue to of the post above.I have Step:Extended installed and it's stable.I downloaded the Explorerers pack and followed the directions (according to Step:Extended)Basically, everytime I enter certain cities (Riften, Windhelm, etc..) It CTD's. It CTD's when I enter dungeons and some houses too.Also sometimes I noticed some farmhouses and buldings will have multiple textures loading at once.Sometimes when I'm running up to a city, or establishment, The whole city will flash into white, and CTD.I've tried two days worth of conflict resolution. These problems won't go away. I might need to just get rid of the Explorers pack if I can't get some help.Anybody have any ideas what's going on?

[Kelmych]

You didn't say anything about the capabilities of the PC you are using or what mods with significant VRAM or script use are used beyond the mods in STEP Extended and the Explorer pack. The outskirts of Whiterun use a lot of VRAM by the way and CTDs there are not unusual (depending on your system and mods included). 

 

Have you done this while using GPUz to record VRAM use? The ENBoost and Skyrim memory patch in SKSE help avoid problems with high VRAM use, but they don't eliminate them completely. Do you have at least 2 Gb or VRAM; if not you will need to make sure you are using versions of mods with lower size textures. The Explorer pack increases VRAM usage, so when using it you need to make sure that you are not exceeding the VRAM limits of your graphics card by too much. 

[mooncrow]

You didn't say anything about the capabilities of the PC you are using or what mods with significant VRAM or script use are used beyond the mods in STEP Extended and the Explorer pack. The outskirts of Whiterun use a lot of VRAM by the way and CTDs there are not unusual (depending on your system and mods included). 

 

Have you done this while using GPUz to record VRAM use? The ENBoost and Skyrim memory patch in SKSE help avoid problems with high VRAM use, but they don't eliminate them completely. Do you have at least 2 Gb or VRAM; if not you will need to make sure you are using versions of mods with lower size textures. The Explorer pack increases VRAM usage, so when using it you need to make sure that you are not exceeding the VRAM limits of your graphics card by too much. 

i7 3770k OCgforce 660ti 2gb. 16gb ram.So I have a pretty good system but,Currently I'm only testing explorers pack with step;extended.You may be right. Ive been trying to push my system to its max potential....Do you recommend I downgrade to Step Baseline? and try again?I just wasn't sure if it was something I did wrong but if it's a limit issue, that does make sense...On Step I'm using most if not all of the Higher quality optionals...Will report back with GPU-Z

[Kelmych]

It's hard to make specific recommendations without seeing any GPUz results. When I had a 2 Gb VRAM graphics card with STEP Extended and the Explorer pack I used the high res (2Kx2K texture) versions of mods, but I either reduced to or chose 1Kx1K versions of the exterior color map and exterior normal map textures.

[AER]

For the ETAC install, the instructions are confusing. It says to install these patches:

 

Installer Options: (Patches)

• 3DNPCs
• Better Fast Travel
• Drinking Fountains of Skyrim
• Expanded Winterhold Ruins
• Inns & Taverns
• Interesting NPCs
• Lanterns of Skyrim
• No Snow under the Roof
• Oblivion Realms Serie

 

As far as I can tell, 3DNPCs is "Interesting NPCs," and there is no other option in the installer for "Interesting NPCs."

 

Otherwise, awesome collection, thank you so much!

[Smile44]

Yup 3DNPCs is Interesting NPCs, if you check the main plugin for that mod you will find that that is the name.

 

[Eplebit]

I have a 660ti with 2048MB VRAM, i52500K CPU (sometimes overclocked. tried not overclocking now to see if that was an issue, but was the same) and 8GB of RAM. I only used the base of STEP for texture replacers and such, never going higher to avoid VRAM issues. I aslo use SKE 1.7.0a and enb 0.254, so I think i should have the latest memory fixes(?)...

 

I ran SPM to test the problems. When running around normally the game settles on using all my VRAM and staying there, but not giving me any problems. Main memory settles on about 2,5GB. However, when I tried loading the game outside of Whiterun and approached it, it never managed to get to the VRAM limit before CTD. RAM also never had time to reach 2,5GB.

 

And this could just be me seeing things, but not long before it crashes I see some white and blue particles in mid air next to the road into the settlement. Also, immediately before it crashes I think I've seen a house really close to me just kind of fade into view... I can try to get some screen shots if it would be of any help.

[phryxolydian]

Do that. I'm on a much, much worse GPU and I only have 4GB RAM and I've never CTD near Whiterun on this 250+hr playthrough. I'm not using Apple Garden but I am using BCE, Provincial Courier, ETaC and others, aside from landscape textures, of course.

 

I'm also about to install Riverside Lodge and/or Mammoth Manor, does this conflict with any of REGS' mods?

[Searcher7]

Haven't been everywhere, but Whiterun exterior areas aren't an issue, even with the massive Apple Garden overhaul. Some random voice issues in interiors, but its probably just lack of children dialog.  But, unlike some, max vram has never caused me any issues, beyond a little stutter. Its flatlined at 2GB again right now. DDSOpt to the rescue!

[TheBloke]

I aslo use SKE 1.7.0a and enb 0.254, so I think i should have the latest memory fixes(?)...

You'll only have the main Skyrim memory fix if you've installed the SKSE ini file that enables it. SKSE 1.7a is the right version, but the memory fix is not enabled by default.So do you have a file called Data/SKSE/SKSE.ini, and does it contain at least the [Memory] section and settings shown below? :

[General]ClearInvalidRegistrations=1 [Memory]DefaultHeapInitialAllocMB=768ScrapHeapSizeMB=256

 

If so, then you have the memory fix.  If your file doesn't also have the ClearInvalidRegistrations=1 part, then that's recommended to be added too - that can clean up redundant scripts that can get left attached to a save after a mod is uninstalled during a playthrough.

 

If you haven't manually created that Data/SKSE/SKSE.ini file, then you can either create it manually, or just download and install this mod and it will install that file with those SKSE settings for you.  Given that you're presumably using Mod Organizer (hopefully, as that's what STEP guides all assume now), you're best off just downloading that mod, as it's best not to put files directly into your Skyrim Data directory when MO is managing it.  (You can, and it'll work, but it's nice to keep things neat and have all changes to Data go through MO management.)   The preferred way with MO is to make a new archive, containing the file, then install that as a mod in MO.  So installing that mod I linked just does that for you, saving you the work.

 

That mod gives you a SKSE.ini which contains the two fixes I list above - memory fix and ClearInvalidRegistrations - and also a minor tweak that enables higher quality warpaint on faces (and is harmless if you don't have any such warpaint mods.)

Edited May 25, 2014 by TheBloke

[CJ2311]

@Eplebit: Have you downloaded and installed the loose files version of Nernie's cities? That's the only explanation I can think of besides the memory limit.

 

By the way, high hrothgar overhaul.esp is already included in REGS - Cities.esp

 

And on another note, one of my hard drives died on me, after 10 years of faithful service. The problem is that it had all my Skyrim related stuff (except the game itself, which is installed on my SSD). It'll take a while to order another HDD from France and restore all my setup with my shitty internet, so don't expect much in the way of new content to the guide, although I'll do my best to keep it updated.

Edited May 25, 2014 by CJ2311

[gpthree]

@Eplebit: Have you downloaded and installed the loose files version of Nernie's cities? That's the only explanation I can think of besides the memory limit.By the way, high hrothgar overhaul.esp is already included in REGS - Cities.esp 

Does this mean we do not need the High Hrothgar mod installed?