crash when loading save/new area about twice an hour

[Spacebadger]

Its usually when loading something, like a transition between areas. Running ENBoost currently, and full clear and roesent danger modlist

 

 

  0  0     Fallout3.esm

  1  1     Anchorage.esm

  2  2     ThePitt.esm

  3  3     StreetLights.esm

  4  4     BrokenSteel.esm

  5  5     PointLookout.esm

  6  6     Zeta.esm

  7  7     CRAFT.esm

  8  8     CALIBR.esm

  9  9     Project Beauty.esm

 10  a     Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch.esm

 11  b     Advanced Recon Tech.esm

 12  c     iHUD.esm

 13  d     aHUD.esm

 14  e     Point Lookout Reborn.esm

 15  f     ArefuExpandedByAzar.esm

 16 10     DCInteriors_ComboEdition.esm

 17 11     AWorldOfPainFO3.esm

 18 12     Mothership Crew.esm

 19 13     Vault 101 Revisited.esm

 20 14     RiversideCafe.esm

 21 15     EVE.esm

 22 16     Detect Traps.esm

 23 17     GeorgetownExpansion.esm

 24 18     RH_IRONSIGHTS.esm

 25 19     tubrrCompound.esm

 26 1a     20th Century Weapons.esm

 27 1b     xCALIBR.esm

 28 1c     Crowded Cities Redux.esm

 29 1d     WastelandGuards01.esm

 30 1e     UF3P - Exotic Caravans.esm

 31 1f     FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esm

 32 20     Mart's Mutant Mod.esm

 33 21     Enhanced Weather - Rain and Snow.esm

 34 22     Xepha's Dynamic Weather.esm

 35 23     DarNifiedUIF3.esp

 36 24     CASM.esp

 37 25     MetroCars.esp

 38 26     FortIndependenceRedesigned.esp

 39 27     ArlingtonRestoration.esp

 40 28     tubRRCompound.esp

 41 29     DCStreet - BS.esp

 42 2a     Rivet City Realignment.esp

 43 2b     Temple of the Union Overhaul.esp

 44 2c     The Mantis Imperative - Jello.esp

 45 2d     HeirApparent.esp

 46 2e     Another Interior Mod.esp

 47 2f     Laurens_Bathroom_poetry_V1.esp

 48 30     The Mantis Imperative - Mantis.esp

 49 31     DCInt_ARoomWithAView.esp

 50 32     The  Pitt Moods.esp

 51 33     PLweightadjust.esp

 52 34     ChopShopModv13.esp

 53 35     PointLookout Moods.esp

 54 36     lexx_brahmin-variant-Fo3.esp

 55 37     BaileysCrossingMetro.esp

 56 38     UrgeWashingtonBoS.esp

 57 39     Dragonskin Tactical Outfit.esp

 58 3a     Advanced Recon Gear.esp

 59 3b     IMPACT.esp

 60 3c     Advanced Recon Tech.esp

 61 3d     Advanced Recon Range Finder.esp

 62 3e     DynamicCrosshair.esp

 63 3f     Stimpak Counter.esp

 64 40     JIP Realistic Weapon Overheating.esp

 65 41     JIP Selective-Fire.esp

 66 42     JIP Companions Command & Control.esp

 67 43     YearlingBooks.esp

 68 44     Confessor Cromwell has a Break_EV.esp

 69 45     Fo3HirezdMinigun.esp

           The Mantis Imperative - Nasty Zeta No Scaling.esp

 70 46     BauPetSupplies.esp

 71 47     Museum.esp

 72 48     NotSoFast.esp

 73 49     PotomacSteamworks.esp

 74 4a     CanterburyCommonsInteriors.esp

 75 4b     Monticello Park.esp

 76 4c     Radio Ownership Fix Fixed.esp

 77 4d     AutoGates.esp

 78 4e     Boulevard of Broken Dreams.esp

 79 4f     IntoTheDeepWoods.esp

 80 50     Existence 2.0.esp

 81 51     House.esp

 82 52     Scout Outfits.esp

 83 53     RockopolisRebuilt.esp

 84 54     FWEAlienWorkBenchFix.esp

 85 55     Safe - Safe Regulator HQ.esp

 86 56     CouncilSeatFix.esp

 87 57     ArefuExpandedByAzar-Radio.esp

           HZSmoothLight - FO3.esp

 88 58     megalight.esp

 89 59     krzymar-MoonSize_120%.esp

 90 5a     detecttrapsmerged.esp

 91 5b     MTCBigTownRobotFix.esp

 92 5c     Purity Crash Fix.esp

 93 5d     Better RC Church.esp

           DCRWAV-FWE Patch.esp

 94 5e     MegatonClinicRefurb.esp

           Flora Overhaul.esp

 95 5f     DIM TYPE3clothesRETAIL.esp

 96 60     FeralGhoulTest.esp

           AnimatedFanV2f3.esp

 97 61     RagdollOverhaulFo3.esp

 98 62     T3_leather armors.esp

 99 63     WinterizedT51bDX.esp

100 64     DragonskinBonusPack.esp

101 65     RH_FWE_Bridge.esp

102 66     PLFewerItems.esp

           20th Century Weapons Non-Changing Weapon Conditions.esp

           Chems and Meds Re-Textures Pack.esp

103 67     GilbertToys.esp

           Paradise Lost - Unique Texture and Icon.esp

104 68     K9Breeds.esp

           AquaPura 3000.esp

105 69     Double barreled shotgun fix.esp

106 6a     Deathclaw Gauntlet Man Opener Armor Piercing Restored.esp

107 6b     Millenia_AKS74U.esp

108 6c     ZL-ACR.esp

           ACRForFWE.esp

109 6d     ZL-SVD-CALIBR.esp

110 6e     ZL-MP5 Pack.esp

           FO3_WRP.esp

           schematics2.esp

111 6f     STDG.esp

           Millenia_CombatShotgun_replacer.esp

           Millenia_C96_replacer.esp

           xCALIBR_20CW_v5.12.esp

112 70     MoreMapMarkers.esp

           DIFF.esp

113 71     Conelrad 640-1240.esp

114 72     Radio_Neutron.esp

115 73     Dree Perks.esp

           Zeta Turret Drone Karma Fix - MMM Merged.esp

           Barkskin.esp

116 74     DriveableMotorCycle.esp

117 75     Brahmin Dairy Products.esp

118 76     GNR Enhanced.esp

119 77     GaryIterrogationHolo.esp

120 78     Tattered_suits.esp

121 79     Tribal_DX.esp

122 7a     bzFatigues.esp

123 7b     bzJocks.esp

124 7c     FO3NeckChains.esp

125 7d     Freebooter_Armor.esp

126 7e     Lookout Outfits.esp

127 7f     Merc Adventurer Armor - eng.esp

128 80     Real Radiation Suit FO3.esp

129 81     overhead.esp

130 82     Armor Repair Kits PL - FO3.esp

131 83     BBBackpacks-v1-1.esp

132 84     DelayAnchorage.esp

133 85     Fo3HirezdFlamer.esp

134 86     MCGrass.esp

135 87     MCRockTextures.esp

136 88     delaypl.esp

137 89     DelaySteel.esp

138 8a     delayzeta.esp

139 8b     K9BreedsMoreDogs.esp

           K9BreedsPatchDLCPitt.esp

           K9BreedsPatchMMM.esp

140 8c     Realistic Interior Lighting.esp

141 8d     Rivet City Markets FPS Boost.esp

142 8e     FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esp

143 8f     FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Anchorage.esp

144 90     FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC The Pitt.esp

145 91     FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Broken Steel.esp

146 92     FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Point Lookout.esp

147 93     FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Mothership Zeta.esp

           FO3 Wanderers Edition - Optional Restore Tracers (automatics only).esp

148 94     FO3 Wanderers Edition - Followers Enhanced (BrokenSteel).esp

149 95     Advanced Recon Tech FWE.esp

150 96     WeaponModKits.esp

151 97     WeaponModKits - OperationAnchorage.esp

152 98     WeaponModKits - ThePitt.esp

153 99     WeaponModKits - BrokenSteel.esp

154 9a     WeaponModKits - PointLookout.esp

155 9b     WeaponModKits - Zeta.esp

156 9c     Assaultrifle_replacers_WMK+RH+FWE.esp

           DIFF WMK.esp

157 9d     UniqueWeaponsRetextured.esp

158 9e     UniqueWeaponsRetexturedPITT.esp

           UniqueWeaponsRetextured_FWE.esp

159 9f     PlasmaRifleAwesomefiedWMK.esp

           UniqueWeaponsRetexturedPITT_FWE.esp

160 a0     WeaponModKits - FWE Talon Loot Crash Fix.esp

           Mart's Mutant Mod - DC Interiors.esp

161 a1     BornAgain Outcast v3.esp

162 a2     GlowingGhouls-MMM.esp

163 a3     Enhanced Weather - Weather Sounds in Interiors.esp

164 a4     Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Main + DLC Merged.esp

           Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Green Tint Remover.esp

165 a5     Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Dynamic Sneak Bonus.esp

166 a6     Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Rain.esp

167 a7     Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Sandstorms.esp

168 a8     Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Weather Machine (Start Game Added).esp

169 a9     DC Moods.esp

170 aa     EVE Grenade Explosion.esp

           EVE Grenade - FWE Patch.esp

171 ab     FO3 Wanderers Edition - More Gore.esp

           WMK Uniques for FWE_EVE Addon.esp

172 ac     CALIBRv14 Ammunition Schematics for FWE-WMK-CRAFT-V1_3-18639.esp

           Dragonskin_for_FWE_2014.esp

           MP5ForFWE.esp

           SVDForFWE.esp

           ZL-MP5_fix.esp

173 ad     WeaponModKits - FWE Master Release.esp

174 ae     RH_WMK_Bridge.esp

175 af     20th Century Weapons -Plus- Reborn FWE-WMK-Calibr14_V1_70RC_18668.esp

           20th Century Weapons -Plus- Reborn xCALIBRized + RHIron.esp

176 b0     20th Century Weapons -Plus- Reborn Cut Weapons.esp

           (TWPC) 20CWRECW-WMK-RIFWC-UUF3P-FWE Patch.esp

           (TWPC) BBB-UUF3P-FWE Patch.esp

           (TWPC) BBD-FWE Patch.esp

           (TWPC) BFO-MMM-EVE-UUF3P-FWE Patch.esp

           (TWPC) BRCC-PB Patch.esp

           (TWPC) BVR-FWE Patch.esp

           (TWPC) CMRP-FWE Patch.esp

177 b1     (TWPC) DM-UUF3P-DW Patch.esp

           (TWPC) GE-UUF3P Patch.esp

           (TWPC) K9B-MMM-UUF3P-FWE Patch.esp

           (TWPC) MMM-EBTMGFWE-UUF3P-FWE Patch.esp

           (TWPC) PLR-MMM Patch.esp

178 b2     (TWPC) RIL-UUF3P-DM Patch.esp

179 b3     (TWPC) PLR-UUF3P-ISS Patch.esp

           (TWPC) RRE-PB-FWE Patch.esp

           (TWPC) TMI-FWE Patch.esp

           (TWPC) WD-DIFF3-UUF3P-FWE Patch.esp

           (TWPC) DIFF3-RI-EVE-MMM-WMK-PRA-F3HMG-F3HF-20CWRE-IMPACT-UUF3P-FWE Patch.esp

180 b4     Blackened RH + FWE + EVE.esp

181 b5     Blackened FWE + MMM + EVE + Project Beauty.esp

           Bashed Patch, 0.esp

           MCRubblePilesFix.esp

any ideas

omg just noticed my batch patch was disabled, if that was it  im going to off myself

[Spacebadger]

fixed some crashes, but still getting infinite loading screen crashes on some save loads

[Spacebadger]

also getting crashes on area transitions, wheither the rotating dial freezes or just keeps going forever

[Kelmych]

I've seen this occasionally, but not as often as you mention. Have you been able to relate this to periods of high RAM or VRAM use?

[Greg]

I wonder if this may be something flaky in the game engine because I've experienced this same behavior in Fallout New Vegas. I could load a save and play for about 20 minutes when it would crash on crossing a cell border with an out of memory exception. Rinse, repeat, and the same thing happened again. I had to run some errands so I figured I would look into it in more detail later but I haven't been able to reproduce this crash.

[Spacebadger]

noh, this even happens indoors, and was happening when I was using enboost, so memory is not a problem. I can be transitioning indoors , going from inside to outside, or just walking around and it either freezes or gets and infinite loading screen about once every 30 minutes. I cant try compatability mode options because if I enable compatability mode, the game wont launch

 

I last crash i had I picked up the intelligence bobblehead and froze, had to sign out and in again, then started game, left rivet city, and crashed 5 minutes later walking past the mutant base

Edited February 19, 2018 by Spacebadger

[Spacebadger]

I really have no idea what to do. Ive been working on modding this game for 3 weeks, and this crashing is making it impossible to play

[Spacebadger]

Fose is installed and I'm getting an NVAC log. This is so annoying, New Vegas never had this problem

[Kelmych]

I've only seen infinite loading screen problems when there were resource usage problems. I've also only seen them at transitions from indoors to/from outdoors or cell transitions. How much RAM is being used before you startup Fallout, how much does Fallout add, and how much RAM and VRAM does your system include?

 

 

A few comments on the load order:

• The (TWPC) plugins should typically be loaded after the bashed patch.
• MCGrass, MCRockTextures, and MCRubblePilesFix are part of the updated UHQ mod which is not part of the CPD guide since there are a few bugs in some of the plugin contents and in the textures/meshes. It still needs some additional work before it can be used.
• I have a lot of problems with crashes when I use CASM so I don't include it in my FO3 game. I assume you also already disabled all the autosaves in the FO3 game.

New Vegas typically has much worse infinite loading screen problems than FO3 because it can't handle as many plugins as FO3.

 

Have you looked through the NVAC log to see if it has any clues on what is happening?

[Spacebadger]

The bashed patch actually includes a ton of the wasteland patches. Also, I have 6 GB of vram and 12 of Ram, and I've increased it to 4gb  ram restrictions and I'm using enboost. I'll try not using UHQ or CASMand maybe not merging the TWPC plugins into the bashed patch

[Kelmych]

As I said, all or most of the TWPC patches should load after the bashed patch since they are not intended to be part of the bashed patch. They are intended to override the bashed patch, and to be loaded last as stated in large underlined red type on the Nexus page for the mod. A few can be included in the bashed patch, but you would need to check them to make sure that the bashed patch doesn't change what they provide.

With as much RAM and VRAM as you have ENBoost is likely unnecessary, by the way. I have 16Gb RAM and >8Gb VRAM and I haven't been using it with FO3 lately.

[Spacebadger]

None of that fixed it for the save I had. Should I start a new character to try is out? I was walking from rivet city to the second bridge and froze next to the bandit camp past the first bridge

[Kelmych]

If CASM ends up being related to the problem it can affect the save games. Usually the main problem with crashes due to resource loading is when you first leave Vault 101, so if you have a save before that you might want to try it. I haven't had crash problems going from rivet city past the bandit camps, by the way.

[Spacebadger]

Nah, making a new character didnt work either

its not specifically there, its just somewhere in-between rivet city and the second bridge, by game is guaranteed to freeze

I'm running enboost to make sure that ram isn't ever the problem

Edited February 19, 2018 by Spacebadger

[Kelmych]

Here is my current load order. It doesn't include plugins that are merged into the bashed patch.

 

 

 

# This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer.

Fallout3.esm

Anchorage.esm

ThePitt.esm

StreetLights.esm

BrokenSteel.esm

PointLookout.esm

Zeta.esm

Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch.esm

CALIBR.esm

20th Century Weapons.esm

Advanced Recon Tech.esm

Point Lookout Reborn.esm

Mart's Mutant Mod.esm

ArefuExpandedByAzar.esm

Mothership Crew.esm

Enhanced Weather - Rain and Snow.esm

iHUD.esm

Vault 101 Revisited.esm

RiversideCafe.esm

WastelandGuards01.esm

CRAFT.esm

FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esm

DCInteriors_ComboEdition.esm

Project Beauty.esm

EVE.esm

Detect Traps.esm

aHUD.esm

RH_IRONSIGHTS.esm

Xepha's Dynamic Weather.esm

GeorgetownExpansion.esm

xCALIBR.esm

Crowded Cities Redux.esm

Project Beauty- Vault 101 Revisited.esp

UF3P - Exotic Caravans.esm

STDG.esp

FortIndependenceRedesigned.esp

The Mantis Imperative - Mantis.esp

IMPACT.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esp

WeaponModKits.esp

WeaponModKits - OperationAnchorage.esp

RH_WMK_Bridge.esp

WeaponModKits - FWE Master Release.esp

WeaponModKits - BrokenSteel.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Broken Steel.esp

20th Century Weapons -Plus- Reborn FWE-WMK-Calibr14_V1_70RC_18668.esp

EVE Grenade Explosion.esp

Advanced Recon Range Finder.esp

Advanced Recon Tech FWE.esp

Advanced Recon Tech.esp

MetroCars.esp

ArlingtonRestoration.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Anchorage.esp

The  Pitt Moods.esp

WeaponModKits - ThePitt.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC The Pitt.esp

WeaponModKits - Zeta.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Mothership Zeta.esp

DC Moods.esp

delaypl.esp

DCStreet - BS.esp

UUF3P - FWE Patch.esp

Blackened FWE + MMM + EVE + Project Beauty.esp

Realistic Interior Lighting.esp

MegatonClinicRefurb.esp

The Mantis Imperative - Nasty Zeta.esp

Rivet City Realignment.esp

Temple of the Union Overhaul.esp

20th Century Weapons -Plus- Reborn Cut Weapons.esp

overhead.esp

The Mantis Imperative - Jello.esp

HeirApparent.esp

Laurens_Bathroom_poetry_V1.esp

Confessor Cromwell has a Break_EV.esp

DarNifiedUIF3.esp

CALIBRv14 Ammunition Schematics for FWE-WMK-CRAFT-V1_3-18639.esp

DelayAnchorage.esp

Flora Overhaul.esp

WeaponModKits - FWE Talon Loot Crash Fix.esp

Another Interior Mod.esp

PointLookout Moods.esp

WeaponModKits - PointLookout.esp

Blackened RH + FWE + EVE.esp

tubRRCompound.esp

lexx_brahmin-variant-Fo3.esp

PLweightadjust.esp

ChopShopModv13.esp

NotSoFast.esp

Billboard Camps.esp

MoreMapMarkers.esp

BBBackpacks-v1-1.esp

Exeter-Type3-armor.esp

Armor Repair Kits PL - FO3.esp

MegatonLighting.esp

UniqueWeaponsRetextured.esp

PlasmaRifleAwesomefiedWMK.esp

Fo3HirezdFlamer.esp

Fo3HirezdMinigun.esp

RH_FWE_Bridge.esp

Assaultrifle_replacers_WMK+RH+FWE.esp

BornAgain Outcast v3.esp

BaileysCrossingMetro.esp

BauPetSupplies.esp

DecoShampooAndSoap.esp

K9BreedsMoreDogs.esp

Dragonskin Tactical Outfit.esp

Advanced Recon Gear.esp

ZL-ACR.esp

Better RC Church.esp

DelaySteel.esp

Detect Traps - The Traponator 4000.esp

DynamicCrosshair.esp

Enhanced Weather - Weather Sounds in Interiors.esp

Museum.esp

Dree Perks.esp

PotomacSteamworks.esp

CanterburyCommonsInteriors.esp

Brahmin Dairy Products.esp

FeralGhoulTest.esp

Flashlight-LOS.esp

GlowingGhouls-MMM.esp

GNR Enhanced.esp

JIP Companions Command & Control.esp

JIP Realistic Weapon Overheating.esp

JIP Selective-Fire.esp

K9Breeds.esp

megalight.esp

Millenia_AKS74U.esp

ZL-MP5 Pack.esp

RagdollOverhaulFo3.esp

Monticello Park.esp

AutoGates.esp

Stimpak Counter.esp

Tribal_DX.esp

UrgeWashingtonBoS.esp

Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Dynamic Sneak Bonus.esp

bzBodySuits.esp

cCCursorNotOnMaps.esp

Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Rain.esp

Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Sandstorms.esp

YearlingBooks.esp

FWEAlienWorkBenchFix.esp

Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Weather Machine (Vendor Added).esp

WinterizedT51bDX.esp

UniqueWeaponsRetexturedPITT.esp

Enhanced Weather - Rain and Snow in Fallout.esp

Real Radiation Suit FO3.esp

Headwraps Galore.esp

Boulevard of Broken Dreams.esp

IntoTheDeepWoods.esp

House.esp

ZL-SVD-CALIBR.esp

safe_regulator_hq.esp

Existence 2.0.esp

ArefuExpandedByAzar-Radio.esp

Conelrad 640-1240.esp

delayzeta.esp

PLFewerItems.esp

IntoTheDeepWoods-Forested Overhaul Patch.esp

Double barreled shotgun fix.esp

Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Main + DLC Merged.esp

CouncilSeatFix.esp

DragonskinBonusPack.esp

GilbertToys.esp

(TWPC) DM-UUF3P-DW Patch.esp

Bashed Patch, 0.esp

(TWPC) RIL-UUF3P-DM Patch.esp

(TWPC) PLR-UUF3P-ISS Patch.esp

(TWPC) BBB-UUF3P-FWE Patch.esp

(TWPC) BRCC-PB Patch.esp

(TWPC) BVR-FWE Patch.esp

(TWPC) CMRP-FWE Patch.esp

(TWPC) GE-UUF3P Patch.esp

(TWPC) K9B-MMM-UUF3P-FWE Patch.esp

(TWPC) RRE-PB-FWE Patch.esp

(TWPC) TMI-FWE Patch.esp

(TWPC) 20CWRECW-WMK-RIFWC-UUF3P-FWE Patch.esp

(TWPC) BFO-MMM-EVE-UUF3P-FWE Patch.esp

(TWPC) WD-DIFF3-UUF3P-FWE Patch.esp

(TWPC) DIFF3-RI-EVE-MMM-WMK-PRA-F3HMG-F3HF-20CWRE-IMPACT-UUF3P-FWE Patch.esp

CPD_Ingestible_Patch.esp

[Spacebadger]

Crashes dont happen on base game with same INI's as modded profile