Jittery camera movement

[CaptainDiabetes]

 

Hi guys,

I'm playing Fallout 4 with a lot of mods I installed afterthe STEP V1.0 guide for Fallout 4. I also installed some additional mods, but they don't really conflict to the STEP project. I am Playing on BethINI ultra settings and limited my FPS to 100 via high fps physic fix.

 

At start, everything felt buttery smooth and I had no issues whatsoever. At some point tho (i do not know what I might have done to cause this), the camera started to have very slight jitter. For some this might not even be noticeable, but me personally it's driving me crazy. I tried to fiddle around with various full/borderless window screen setting, as well as different FPS limits and VSync. nothing seems to fix the jitter. 

 

I even filmed a video of the issue, but i don't know where i could upload it to show you. maybe you can recommend a site?

 

Does anyone have an idea what's going on and what I could do to fix this? Thanks in advance!

 

 

my specs:

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D

GPU: AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT

RAM: 32 GB DDR5 6200MHz

SSD: Samsung 980 Pro 2TB

 

My Mod list:

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"DLC: Wasteland Workshop"

"DLC: Vault-Tec Workshop"

"DLC: Nuka-World"

"DLC: Far Harbor"

"DLC: Contraptions Workshop"

"DLC: Automatron"

"xEdit Output"

"02 - Extenders_separator"

"F4SE Scripts"

"Address Library for F4SE Plugins"

"Baka Framework"

"Base Object Swapper"

"Buffout 4"

"Canary Save File Monitor"

"Console Commands Extender"

"Shadow Boost FO4"

"ShadowBoostFO4 ini"

"RobCo Patcher"

"Workshop Framework"

"03 - Resources_separator"

"HUDFramework"

"Mod Configuration Menu"

"Settlement Menu Manager"

"04 - Foundation_separator"

"Fallout 4 HD Overhaul 2k"

"FO4LODGen Resources"

"HD LOD Textures"

"LOD Fixes and Additions"

"Far Object LOD Improvement Project"

"High Resolution Texture Pack 2K and 4K - Valius"

"Jesters Better Destroyed Vehicles"

"Langleys HD Textures Workshop"

"FlaconOil's Complete Retexture Project"

"Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch"

"05 - Animations and Physics_separator"

"Automatically Lowered Weapons"

"Corpse Collision"

"Hot Coffee"

"Faster Getup"

"Grab the Damn Mag"

"Immersive Animation Framework"

"NPC Drinking Fix"

"Realistic Death Physics - ALL DLC version"

"Sprint Reload"

"06 - Models and Textures_separator"

"All Weapons HD 2K Full"

"Better Ammo Boxes Overhaul"

"Delightful Dead Fish HD - Healthy Version"

"Enhanced Blood Textures"

"Enhanced Vanilla Armor and Clothing 2k"

"Enhanced Vanilla Plants"

"Enhanced Vanilla Rocks"

"Enhanced Vanilla Vines"

"Eye Normal Map Fix Fallout 4 Edition"

"Fallout Texture Overhaul Moons"

"Fallout Texture Overhaul PipBoy (Pip-Boy) UHD 4K"

"Fallout Texture Overhaul Power Armors UHD 4K"

"Fallout Texture Overhaul Stars"

"Far Harbor 3D Tree LODs"

"Far Harbor Marine Armor Boots Fix"

"Far Harbor Pine branches 4K"

"FAR - Faraway Area Reform"

"Fixed Alpha Maps"

"Fixed Gobo Effects"

"High Poly Vanilla Weapons"

"LC's UHD Fungus Brain"

"Leaf Piles Improved"

"Less Ugly Intercom"

"Make Like A Tree"

"Marine Combat Armor Material Fix"

"Marine Wet suit Material Fix"

"ModernHouseLOD"

"MystiriousDawn's HD Lensflare"

"No More Glowing Mouths"

"Northern Foothills Rocks Fix"

"Nuanced Eye Reflection"

"Optimized Vanilla Tree LODs"

"Prydwen 2K Textures"

"Radiant Clouds and Fogs"

"Ephla's Unique Chems - Vanilla Chem Retextures ONLY"

"Terrain Undersides"

"Ultimate Window Overhaul"

"Vault-Tec Workshop Gear Door Fix"

"Wasteland Creatures Redone"

"WAVE - Wave Animation Vanilla Enhanced"

"WET"

"Wetness Shader Fix"

"07 - Sounds and Music_separator"

"Diamond City Radio Extended"

"Fallout 4 High Quality Audio"

"High Quality Music - All in One"

"Jolly Item Sounds"

"LOST Audio Tweaks"

"Persistent Volume Sliders"

"Project Reality Footsteps FO4"

"Reverb and Ambiance Overhaul - Tweaked"

"Under the Hood- Mechanical Power Armor Audio"

"08 - Character Appearance_separator"

"deLuxe Makeup"

"Enhanced Vanilla Bodies"

"The Eyes of Beauty Fallout Kaleidoscope Edition - All-in-One"

"WX Hair Colors"

"09 - Fixes_separator"

"Better Landscape Grass"

"Bullet Counted Reload System (BCR)"

"Car Physics Death bug fix"

"Crafting Highlight Fix"

"Diamond City Billboards"

"F4z Ro D-oh - Silent Voice"

"Goodneighbor View"

"High FPS Physics Fix"

"Im Talking to You"

"Long Range Bullet Holes"

"Long Save Bug Fix"

"Moddable Robot Settlers Compilation"

"Newton's Regards - No More Falling Cars"

"Perception Bug Fix Redux"

"Piezonucleic Lining Fix"

"Pip-Boy Flashlight v6 BETA 3.02"

"Place Everywhere"

"Power Armor Ownership Fix (no more stealing)"

"PRP Resources"

"PRP Plugins"

"Radio Tower Transparency Fix"

"RAW INPUT - The Ultimate Mouse Sensitivity Fix"

"Sanctuary - No Dead Dog and Raider"

"Search and Destroy - Fixed"

"Settlement Dead Zone Fixes"

"Settler Sandbox Expansion"

"Sprint Stuttering Fix"

"Thaylar's Settlement Lighting Fixes"

"The Missing Nukalurk Recipe Book"

"Vault Door Announce Warning for Vaults 81 114 and 118"

"Weston Water LOD Fix"

"10 - Gameplay - General_separator"

"Equipment and Crafting Overhaul (ECO) - Redux"

"Fixes and Tweaks by Aurelianis"

"New Equipment Overhaul (NEO)"

"Vault 88 Essentials"

"Vault-Tec Workshop Overhaul Redux"

"Unlimited Survival Mode - F4SE"

"No Carry Weight Penalty"

"Faster Survival Stimpaks"

"11 - Gameplay - AI and Combat_separator"

"Follower Stealth Distance Fix (No Free Hugs) - ESL-tagged"

"Encounter Zone Recalculation"

"Fallout 4 AI Overhaul"

"Leveled Item Framework (LIF)"

"Natural resistances"

"Protected Unique NPCs Traders and Merchants"

"Settler and Companion Dialogue Overhaul"

"Settler Sleep AI Fixes - ESL"

"12 - Gameplay - Economy_separator"

"Worthwhile Caps Stashes"

"13 - Gameplay - Immersion_separator"

"Another Vault 81 Molerat Disease Cure"

"Armor Paint Extended"

"Classic Holstered Weapons System (CHW)"

"Climbable Ladders for Settlements"

"Craftable Display Shelves"

"cVc Dead Wasteland"

"Diamond City Auto Close Gate"

"Everyone's Best Friend"

"Handmade Turrets"

"Holotape Display Shelves"

"Nuka Cola Swap"

"Realistic Conversations Fallout 4"

"Scrapping Machine"

"See-Through-Scopes"

"BS Defence"

"Toggleable Night Vision"

"Vault 81 Close Door"

"Vertibird Jump"

"Workshop Rearranged"

"14 - Gameplay - Quests_separator"

"DLC Timing"

"Keep Radiants in the Commonwealth UFO4P Version"

"Nuka-World Collectable Quest Markers"

"Piper Interview Restored"

"Random Encounter Framework"

"SKK Fast BOS (ArcJet triggers Prydwen)"

"Who's The General (Loose Files)"

"1 - Keep Radiants in the Commonwealth Patch"

"Sim Settlements 2 - All Chapters Pack"

"Workshop Plus"

"15 - Gameplay - Skills and Perks_separator"

"Perk Up - Lightweight Perk Overhaul"

"16 - Interface_separator"

"Alternative Satellite World Maps"

"Better Console - F4SE"

"CCCleaner"

"Clock Widget - Show Real Time While Loading"

"Configurable Hotkeys"

"Extended Dialogue Interface"

"FallUI - Confirm Boxes"

"FallUI - HUD"

"FallUI - Icon Library"

"FallUI - Inventory"

"FallUI - Map"

"FallUI - Sleep and Wait"

"FallUI - Workbench"

"FIS - The NEW FallUI Item Sorter"

"FOV Slider and Player Height"

"Immersive HUD - iHUD"

"Legendary Mutation Messages Fix - Cut Content Restored"

"LooksMenu"

"MCM Booster"

"MCM Categorizer - Sorter Folder Categories"

"Organized Workbench Menu"

"PA Rainbox HUD FIX (16-9 and 21-9 Ultrawidescreen)"

"QuickTrade Redux"

"See region names on your save files"

"See Through Scopes - MCM Settings Menu"

"Visible Companion Affinity"

"Visible Companion Affinity - MCM Settings Menu with Hotkey"

"Whose Quest Is It Anyway"

"17 - Locations_separator"

"Boston Public Library Settlement"

"Base Object Swapper Light Replacer Config"

"LibraryExtras"

"Nuka-World Transit Center Settlement"

"We Can Live In - Natick Substation"

"0 - Previs - Previsibines Repair Pack (PRP)"

"Sim Settlements 2 - Previsibines Expansion Pack"

"18 - Lighting and Weather_separator"

"Clarity - A Visual Overhaul"

"Lightweight Lighting"

"Sunlight Alignment Tweaks"

"True Storms Wasteland Edition v1.4"

"True Storms - MCM Settings Menu with Hotkeys"

"19 - Utilities_separator"

"4estGimp - M8r98a4f2's Complex Item Sorter Enhancements"

"M8r98a4f2's Complex Item Sorter"

"20 - Patches_separator"

"EBF UFO4P compatibility fix"

"Step Patch - Conflict Resolution"

"Step Patch - Lighting and Weather"

"STEP 5 - Dynamic Mods_separator"

"Step Fallout 4 - Complex Sorter Output"

"Step Fallout 4 - Synthesis Output"

"Step Fallout 4 - TexGen Output"

"Step Fallout 4 - xLODGen Object Output"

"Step Fallout 4 - xLODGen Terrain Output"

 

My Load order:

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  0  0     Fallout4.esm
  1  1     DLCRobot.esm
  2  2     DLCworkshop01.esm
  3  3     DLCCoast.esm
  4  4     DLCworkshop02.esm
  5  5     DLCworkshop03.esm
  6  6     DLCNukaWorld.esm
  7  7     Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp
254 FE   0 Corpse Collision.esl
254 FE   1 BakaFramework.esm
  8  8     WorkshopFramework.esm
  9  9     HUDFramework.esm
 10  a     XDI.esm
254 FE   2 HQMusicAIO.esp
254 FE   3 PPF.esm
 11  b     SS2.esm
 12  c     SS2_XPAC_Chapter2.esm
 13  d     SS2_XPAC_Chapter3.esm
254 FE   4 SanctuaryNoDog.esl
254 FE   5 LIF.esl
254 FE   6 MultipleMarkerBeds.esl
254 FE   7 MultipleMarkerBeds_Replacer.esl
254 FE   8 GKX Worthwhile Caps Stashes.esl
254 FE   9 Dank_ArmorPaintExtended.esl
254 FE   a Dank_ArmorPaintExtended_CIS.esl
254 FE   b Ladder.esl
254 FE   c HoloDisplay.esl
254 FE   d ScrapMachine.esl
254 FE   e REFramework.esm
254 FE   f ConfigurableHotkeys.esl
254 FE  10 OWM-Master.esl
 14  e     TrueStormsFO4.esm
254 FE  11 CanarySaveFileMonitor.esl
254 FE  12 High Resolution Texture Pack 2K and 4K - Valius.esp
254 FE  13 Langleys HD Textures Workshop.esp
254 FE  14 FlaconOil's Complete Retexture Project.esp
254 FE  15 FlaconOil's Complete Retexture Project0.esp
254 FE  16 FlaconOil's Complete Retexture Project1.esp
254 FE  17 Jesters Better Destroyed Vehicles.esp
254 FE  18 AWHD2KFull.esp
254 FE  19 Enhanced Vanilla Armor and Clothing.esp
254 FE  1a Far Harbor Pine branches 4K.esp
254 FE  1b Fixed Gobo Effects.esp
254 FE  1c Prydwen 2K Textures.esp
254 FE  1d FO4LODGen.esp
254 FE  1e FOLIP - New LODs.esp
254 FE  1f FO4LODGen-DLCCoast-WindTurbines.esp
254 FE  20 Wetness Shader Fix.esp
254 FE  21 DiamondCityBillboards.esp
 15  f     Search&DestroyFixed.esp
 16 10     Vault81Etiquette.esp
254 FE  22 MTM-VaultAnnounceWarning.esp
 17 11     WeaponsHD.esp
 18 12     PiperCaitCurieDialogueOverhaul.esp
 19 13     VisibleCompanionAffinity.esp
 20 14     SettlementMenuManager.esp
 21 15     PD_LowerWeapon.esp
 22 16     Reverb and Ambiance Overhaul.esp
 23 17     LOST Audio Tweaks.esp
 24 18     ImmersiveAnimationFramework.esp
254 FE  23 IAF - Far Harbor & Nuka World.esp
 25 19     Realistic Death Physics - ALL DLC.esp
 26 1a     dD-Enhanced Blood Basic.esp
254 FE  24 Enhanced Vanilla Plants.esp
254 FE  25 Enhanced Vanilla Rocks.esp
254 FE  26 Enhanced Vanilla Vines.esp
254 FE  27 Far Harbor 3d Tree LODs.esp
 27 1b     Fixed Alpha Maps.esp
254 FE  28 Less Ugly Intercom.esp
254 FE  29 Make Like A Tree.esp
254 FE  2a NF_Rocks_Fix.esp
254 FE  2b Optimized Vanilla Tree LODs.esp
 28 1c     Radiant Clouds and Fogs.esp
254 FE  2c Region Names on Save Files.esp
 29 1d     SS2Extended.esp
254 FE  2d NewtonsRegards.esp
254 FE  2e SettlementDeadZoneFixMaxCompat.esp
254 FE  2f Fallout 4 AI Overhaul.esp
254 FE  30 GoodneighborView.esp
254 FE  31 Dank_ECO.esp
 30 1e     cVc Dead Wasteland 6.esp
254 FE  32 WestonWaterLOD.esp
 31 1f     Nuka-World Collectable Markers.esp
254 FE  33 TerrainUndersides.esp
254 FE  34 Ultimate Window Overhaul.esp
254 FE  35 Ultimate Window Overhaul Cubemaps.esp
254 FE  36 WAVE.esp
 32 20     DCRE.esp
254 FE  37 Elzee Jolly Item Sounds.esp
 33 21     PersistentVolumeSliders.esp
 34 22     Project Reality Footsteps FO4.esp
 35 23     The Eyes of Beauty Looking Stranger.esp
 36 24     The Eyes Of Beauty.esp
 37 25     CarPhysicsDeathBugfix.esp
 38 26     LongRangeBulletHoles.esp
 39 27     ModdableRobotSettlers.esp
254 FE  38 Perception Bug Fix Redux.esp
254 FE  39 Piezonucleic_Fix.esp
 40 28     RAW INPUT.esp
 41 29     Settler Sandbox Overhaul.esp
 42 2a     FO4FixesAndTweaksByAurelianis.esp
 43 2b     Thaylar Lighting 3.2 - Big Edition.esp
254 FE  3a PRP-NukalurkRecipeBook.esp
254 FE  3b Dank_ECO-INNR.esp
254 FE  3c Dank_ECO_DisablePlacedItems.esp
254 FE  3d Dank_ECO_DLCCoast.esp
254 FE  3e Dank_ECO_DLCNukaWorld.esp
254 FE  3f Dank_ECO_DLCRobot.esp
254 FE  40 Dank_ArmorOverrides.esp
254 FE  41 Dank_ArmorOverrides_DLCCoast.esp
254 FE  42 Dank_ArmorOverrides_DLCNukaWorld.esp
254 FE  43 Dank_ArmorOverrides_DLCRobot.esp
254 FE  44 spacefiddle_Follower-Stealth-Distance-Fixes.esp
254 FE  45 AnotherMoleratDiseaseCure.esp
 44 2c     Eli_Display Shelves.esp
 45 2d     cVc Dead Wasteland 6 DLC2.esp
 46 2e     cVc Dead Wasteland 6 DLC.esp
 47 2f     DiamondCityAutoClose.esp
254 FE  46 WhoIsTheGeneral.esp
 48 30     EveryonesBestFriend.esp
 49 31     ruined_handmadeturrets.esp
254 FE  47 NukaColaSwap.esp
 50 32     Realistic_conversations.esp
 51 33     3dscopes.esp
 52 34     Better_Settlement_Defence.esp
 53 35     ToggleableNightVision.esp
 54 36     DLC Timing.esp
254 FE  48 Keep Radiants In Commonwealth.esp
 55 37     Interview.esp
 56 38     SKKFastBOS.esp
254 FE  49 WTG - KRIC Patch.esp
 57 39     Perk Up.esp
254 FE  4a Alternative Satellite World Maps.esp
 58 3a     Immersive HUD.esp
254 FE  4b Legendary Mutation Messages Fix.esp
 59 3b     LooksMenu.esp
 60 3c     QuickTrade.esp
254 FE  4c LibraryExtras.esp
254 FE  4d SunLightAlignment.esp
 61 3d     TrueStormsFO4-EarlierSunsets.esp
 62 3e     TrueStormsFO4-FarHarbor.esp
 63 3f     TrueStormsFO4-NukaWorld-FH-Compat.esp
254 FE  4e Step Fallout 4 - xLODGen Object Output.esp
254 FE  4f Step Fallout 4 - xLODGen Terrain Output.esp
254 FE  50 FOVSlider.esp
 64 40     WorkshopPlus.esp
 65 41     NoCarryWeightPenalty.esp
 66 42     FasterSurvivalStimpaks.esp
 67 43     WorkshopRearranged.esp
 68 44     Clarity.esp
254 FE  51 WET.esp
 69 45     Better Landscape Grass.esp
254 FE  52 ImTalkingToYou.esp
 70 46     Vault-Tec Workshop Overhaul Redux.esp
 71 47     Vault88 - Essentials.esp
254 FE  53 Lightweight Lighting.esp
254 FE  54 PRP.esp
254 FE  55 PRP-Compat-RegionNames.esp
254 FE  56 PRP-Compat-Clarity-43.esp
254 FE  57 PRP-SS2.esp
 72 48     BostonLibrarySettlement.esp
254 FE  58 BostonLibrarySettlementRobots.esp
254 FE  59 OCsNukaTransitCenter.esp
 73 49     Pip-Boy Flashlight.esp
254 FE  5a WCLI_NatickSubstation.esp
254 FE  5b WCLINS_Previs.esp
 74 4a     Step Patch - Conflict Resolution.esp
254 FE  5c Step Patch - Lighting and Weather.esp
 75 4b     M8r Complex Sorter.esp
 76 4c     Synthesis.esp

 

 

 

 

Edited April 15 by CaptainDiabetes

[DoubleYou]

YouTube is typically best for videos. 

It sounds like perhaps a driver update changed your graphics settings. I think you are right about it being VSync related. Another one to look into would be Shadow Boost's settings. 

[CaptainDiabetes]

1 hour ago, DoubleYou said:

YouTube is typically best for videos. 

i would need to upload the video with 120 FPS to really show the issue, since it will be much harder to spot if the already recorded video gets downgraded. i will try to record one video with 60fps where the issue is still well visible 

 

1 hour ago, DoubleYou said:

It sounds like perhaps a driver update changed your graphics settings. I think you are right about it being VSync related.

i don't think it's vsync related. i tried those settings (and also restarted the game for every change):

• vsync via BethINI on
• vsync via BethINI off, via driver on (both normal and AMD enhanced sync)
• vsync via BethINI off, via high fps physics fix on 
• completely off, via high fps physics fix "allow tearing = true"

As far as I can tell, all the settings work "as intended". If any kind of VSync was active, there was no screen tearing at all. as soon as i went completely off,  I didn't even notice the jitter anymore because the screen was tearing so much it's unbearable. 

I have my graphic driver updates on manual and I definitely did not install an update in the timespan the jittering started. infact, i didn't update since the driver update for horizon forbidden west was released. 

 

1 hour ago, DoubleYou said:

Another one to look into would be Shadow Boost's settings. 

I don't even use shadow boost since I'm getting overall good fps even with ultra settings and 8000 draw distance (very rarely it dips into the 90s). But i did fiddle around with the settings a bit, and it still didn't change anything. :/

It's also definitely not resource cost related, since the jitter stays perfectly consistent everywhere I go. interior, exterior, high demand areas, low demand areas, doesn't matter. 

Its also not TAA related. I tried with TAA and FXAA, the issue still persists. 

Also the FPS and frametime is perfectly stable almost all the time, absolutely no hitches or anything. AMD drivers don't report any microstutters at all either. 

 

 

EDIT: 

I uploaded a short clip of the issue on youtube. While youtube compression makes the issue look way worse than it is, it's still very visible how unsmooth it feels (even tho it was recorded in 120 fps and is available in 60 fps on youtube). This was recorded with vsync and TAA on, and while you can definitely see the jitter, there's no screen tearing at all. 

please don't mind the dude talking in the video, it's another video i played while trying to resolve the issue. i forgot to cut the audio.

Edited April 15 by CaptainDiabetes

[DoubleYou]

Hmmm... I'm not seeing it in the video. I've watched it several times and not really making it out. So two ideas. One is that you should test Bethini High preset and see if the situation improves. However, the fact you say the frametime and fps are perfectly stable, no hitches or microstutters, combined with the fact that I can't see it in the video, makes me think that perhaps your monitor settings may need to be adjusted.

Do you think you see anything similar in my video?

 

[CaptainDiabetes]

55 minutes ago, DoubleYou said:

Hmmm... I'm not seeing it in the video. I've watched it several times and not really making it out. So two ideas. One is that you should test Bethini High preset and see if the situation improves. However, the fact you say the frametime and fps are perfectly stable, no hitches or microstutters, combined with the fact that I can't see it in the video, makes me think that perhaps your monitor settings may need to be adjusted.

Do you think you see anything similar in my video?

 

To be honest, yes I do. Could be youtube, but it doesn't look that smooth on your side aswell

 

funnily i was able to resolve the issue. i disabled any kind of vsync and then forced the game to use freesync (i have a freesync monitor)

now its buttery smooth. seems like this game doesn't like vsync at all. bethesda games always had their issues with that.... 

 

anyway, i guess this case is closed lol. forced freesync fixed my issue. 

 

i made a clip of the resolved issue. i had to film it with my smartphone tho since my driver recording introduced the jitter again. 

just watch my two videos next to each other, you should be able to spot the difference

[DoubleYou]

I get that, and I think we're both sensitive to how it looks when frames go missing. I have a Gsync monitor, so yeah, you want to make sure you use that feature as much as possible. It can be a pain to set up sometimes, but I always know when it isn't working. 

[z929669]

4 hours ago, CaptainDiabetes said:

To be honest, yes I do. Could be youtube, but it doesn't look that smooth on your side aswell

 

funnily i was able to resolve the issue. i disabled any kind of vsync and then forced the game to use freesync (i have a freesync monitor)

now its buttery smooth. seems like this game doesn't like vsync at all. bethesda games always had their issues with that.... 

 

anyway, i guess this case is closed lol. forced freesync fixed my issue. 

 

i made a clip of the resolved issue. i had to film it with my smartphone tho since my driver recording introduced the jitter again. 

just watch my two videos next to each other, you should be able to spot the difference

Our System Setup Guide goes into some detail about setting up G-SYNC and Freesync as well as monitor calibration.

Your GPU and monitor work together to utilize G-SYNC/Freesync. The game doesn't know anything about it. As a result, Vsync and frame caps are unnecessary.