CaptainDiabetes Posted April 15 Posted April 15 (edited) Hi guys, I'm playing Fallout 4 with a lot of mods I installed afterthe STEP V1.0 guide for Fallout 4. I also installed some additional mods, but they don't really conflict to the STEP project. I am Playing on BethINI ultra settings and limited my FPS to 100 via high fps physic fix. At start, everything felt buttery smooth and I had no issues whatsoever. At some point tho (i do not know what I might have done to cause this), the camera started to have very slight jitter. For some this might not even be noticeable, but me personally it's driving me crazy. I tried to fiddle around with various full/borderless window screen setting, as well as different FPS limits and VSync. nothing seems to fix the jitter. I even filmed a video of the issue, but i don't know where i could upload it to show you. maybe you can recommend a site? Does anyone have an idea what's going on and what I could do to fix this? Thanks in advance! my specs: CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D GPU: AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT RAM: 32 GB DDR5 6200MHz SSD: Samsung 980 Pro 2TB My Mod list: Spoiler "DLC: Wasteland Workshop" "DLC: Vault-Tec Workshop" "DLC: Nuka-World" "DLC: Far Harbor" "DLC: Contraptions Workshop" "DLC: Automatron" "xEdit Output" "02 - Extenders_separator" "F4SE Scripts" "Address Library for F4SE Plugins" "Baka Framework" "Base Object Swapper" "Buffout 4" "Canary Save File Monitor" "Console Commands Extender" "Shadow Boost FO4" "ShadowBoostFO4 ini" "RobCo Patcher" "Workshop Framework" "03 - Resources_separator" "HUDFramework" "Mod Configuration Menu" "Settlement Menu Manager" "04 - Foundation_separator" "Fallout 4 HD Overhaul 2k" "FO4LODGen Resources" "HD LOD Textures" "LOD Fixes and Additions" "Far Object LOD Improvement Project" "High Resolution Texture Pack 2K and 4K - Valius" "Jesters Better Destroyed Vehicles" "Langleys HD Textures Workshop" "FlaconOil's Complete Retexture Project" "Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch" "05 - 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ESL" "12 - Gameplay - Economy_separator" "Worthwhile Caps Stashes" "13 - Gameplay - Immersion_separator" "Another Vault 81 Molerat Disease Cure" "Armor Paint Extended" "Classic Holstered Weapons System (CHW)" "Climbable Ladders for Settlements" "Craftable Display Shelves" "cVc Dead Wasteland" "Diamond City Auto Close Gate" "Everyone's Best Friend" "Handmade Turrets" "Holotape Display Shelves" "Nuka Cola Swap" "Realistic Conversations Fallout 4" "Scrapping Machine" "See-Through-Scopes" "BS Defence" "Toggleable Night Vision" "Vault 81 Close Door" "Vertibird Jump" "Workshop Rearranged" "14 - Gameplay - Quests_separator" "DLC Timing" "Keep Radiants in the Commonwealth UFO4P Version" "Nuka-World Collectable Quest Markers" "Piper Interview Restored" "Random Encounter Framework" "SKK Fast BOS (ArcJet triggers Prydwen)" "Who's The General (Loose Files)" "1 - Keep Radiants in the Commonwealth Patch" "Sim Settlements 2 - All Chapters Pack" "Workshop Plus" "15 - Gameplay - Skills and Perks_separator" "Perk Up - 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Natick Substation" "0 - Previs - Previsibines Repair Pack (PRP)" "Sim Settlements 2 - Previsibines Expansion Pack" "18 - Lighting and Weather_separator" "Clarity - A Visual Overhaul" "Lightweight Lighting" "Sunlight Alignment Tweaks" "True Storms Wasteland Edition v1.4" "True Storms - MCM Settings Menu with Hotkeys" "19 - Utilities_separator" "4estGimp - M8r98a4f2's Complex Item Sorter Enhancements" "M8r98a4f2's Complex Item Sorter" "20 - Patches_separator" "EBF UFO4P compatibility fix" "Step Patch - Conflict Resolution" "Step Patch - Lighting and Weather" "STEP 5 - Dynamic Mods_separator" "Step Fallout 4 - Complex Sorter Output" "Step Fallout 4 - Synthesis Output" "Step Fallout 4 - TexGen Output" "Step Fallout 4 - xLODGen Object Output" "Step Fallout 4 - xLODGen Terrain Output" My Load order: Spoiler 0 0 Fallout4.esm 1 1 DLCRobot.esm 2 2 DLCworkshop01.esm 3 3 DLCCoast.esm 4 4 DLCworkshop02.esm 5 5 DLCworkshop03.esm 6 6 DLCNukaWorld.esm 7 7 Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp 254 FE 0 Corpse Collision.esl 254 FE 1 BakaFramework.esm 8 8 WorkshopFramework.esm 9 9 HUDFramework.esm 10 a XDI.esm 254 FE 2 HQMusicAIO.esp 254 FE 3 PPF.esm 11 b SS2.esm 12 c SS2_XPAC_Chapter2.esm 13 d SS2_XPAC_Chapter3.esm 254 FE 4 SanctuaryNoDog.esl 254 FE 5 LIF.esl 254 FE 6 MultipleMarkerBeds.esl 254 FE 7 MultipleMarkerBeds_Replacer.esl 254 FE 8 GKX Worthwhile Caps Stashes.esl 254 FE 9 Dank_ArmorPaintExtended.esl 254 FE a Dank_ArmorPaintExtended_CIS.esl 254 FE b Ladder.esl 254 FE c HoloDisplay.esl 254 FE d ScrapMachine.esl 254 FE e REFramework.esm 254 FE f ConfigurableHotkeys.esl 254 FE 10 OWM-Master.esl 14 e TrueStormsFO4.esm 254 FE 11 CanarySaveFileMonitor.esl 254 FE 12 High Resolution Texture Pack 2K and 4K - Valius.esp 254 FE 13 Langleys HD Textures Workshop.esp 254 FE 14 FlaconOil's Complete Retexture Project.esp 254 FE 15 FlaconOil's Complete Retexture Project0.esp 254 FE 16 FlaconOil's Complete Retexture Project1.esp 254 FE 17 Jesters Better Destroyed Vehicles.esp 254 FE 18 AWHD2KFull.esp 254 FE 19 Enhanced Vanilla Armor and Clothing.esp 254 FE 1a Far Harbor Pine branches 4K.esp 254 FE 1b Fixed Gobo Effects.esp 254 FE 1c Prydwen 2K Textures.esp 254 FE 1d FO4LODGen.esp 254 FE 1e FOLIP - New LODs.esp 254 FE 1f FO4LODGen-DLCCoast-WindTurbines.esp 254 FE 20 Wetness Shader Fix.esp 254 FE 21 DiamondCityBillboards.esp 15 f Search&DestroyFixed.esp 16 10 Vault81Etiquette.esp 254 FE 22 MTM-VaultAnnounceWarning.esp 17 11 WeaponsHD.esp 18 12 PiperCaitCurieDialogueOverhaul.esp 19 13 VisibleCompanionAffinity.esp 20 14 SettlementMenuManager.esp 21 15 PD_LowerWeapon.esp 22 16 Reverb and Ambiance Overhaul.esp 23 17 LOST Audio Tweaks.esp 24 18 ImmersiveAnimationFramework.esp 254 FE 23 IAF - Far Harbor & Nuka World.esp 25 19 Realistic Death Physics - ALL DLC.esp 26 1a dD-Enhanced Blood Basic.esp 254 FE 24 Enhanced Vanilla Plants.esp 254 FE 25 Enhanced Vanilla Rocks.esp 254 FE 26 Enhanced Vanilla Vines.esp 254 FE 27 Far Harbor 3d Tree LODs.esp 27 1b Fixed Alpha Maps.esp 254 FE 28 Less Ugly Intercom.esp 254 FE 29 Make Like A Tree.esp 254 FE 2a NF_Rocks_Fix.esp 254 FE 2b Optimized Vanilla Tree LODs.esp 28 1c Radiant Clouds and Fogs.esp 254 FE 2c Region Names on Save Files.esp 29 1d SS2Extended.esp 254 FE 2d NewtonsRegards.esp 254 FE 2e SettlementDeadZoneFixMaxCompat.esp 254 FE 2f Fallout 4 AI Overhaul.esp 254 FE 30 GoodneighborView.esp 254 FE 31 Dank_ECO.esp 30 1e cVc Dead Wasteland 6.esp 254 FE 32 WestonWaterLOD.esp 31 1f Nuka-World Collectable Markers.esp 254 FE 33 TerrainUndersides.esp 254 FE 34 Ultimate Window Overhaul.esp 254 FE 35 Ultimate Window Overhaul Cubemaps.esp 254 FE 36 WAVE.esp 32 20 DCRE.esp 254 FE 37 Elzee Jolly Item Sounds.esp 33 21 PersistentVolumeSliders.esp 34 22 Project Reality Footsteps FO4.esp 35 23 The Eyes of Beauty Looking Stranger.esp 36 24 The Eyes Of Beauty.esp 37 25 CarPhysicsDeathBugfix.esp 38 26 LongRangeBulletHoles.esp 39 27 ModdableRobotSettlers.esp 254 FE 38 Perception Bug Fix Redux.esp 254 FE 39 Piezonucleic_Fix.esp 40 28 RAW INPUT.esp 41 29 Settler Sandbox Overhaul.esp 42 2a FO4FixesAndTweaksByAurelianis.esp 43 2b Thaylar Lighting 3.2 - Big Edition.esp 254 FE 3a PRP-NukalurkRecipeBook.esp 254 FE 3b Dank_ECO-INNR.esp 254 FE 3c Dank_ECO_DisablePlacedItems.esp 254 FE 3d Dank_ECO_DLCCoast.esp 254 FE 3e Dank_ECO_DLCNukaWorld.esp 254 FE 3f Dank_ECO_DLCRobot.esp 254 FE 40 Dank_ArmorOverrides.esp 254 FE 41 Dank_ArmorOverrides_DLCCoast.esp 254 FE 42 Dank_ArmorOverrides_DLCNukaWorld.esp 254 FE 43 Dank_ArmorOverrides_DLCRobot.esp 254 FE 44 spacefiddle_Follower-Stealth-Distance-Fixes.esp 254 FE 45 AnotherMoleratDiseaseCure.esp 44 2c Eli_Display Shelves.esp 45 2d cVc Dead Wasteland 6 DLC2.esp 46 2e cVc Dead Wasteland 6 DLC.esp 47 2f DiamondCityAutoClose.esp 254 FE 46 WhoIsTheGeneral.esp 48 30 EveryonesBestFriend.esp 49 31 ruined_handmadeturrets.esp 254 FE 47 NukaColaSwap.esp 50 32 Realistic_conversations.esp 51 33 3dscopes.esp 52 34 Better_Settlement_Defence.esp 53 35 ToggleableNightVision.esp 54 36 DLC Timing.esp 254 FE 48 Keep Radiants In Commonwealth.esp 55 37 Interview.esp 56 38 SKKFastBOS.esp 254 FE 49 WTG - KRIC Patch.esp 57 39 Perk Up.esp 254 FE 4a Alternative Satellite World Maps.esp 58 3a Immersive HUD.esp 254 FE 4b Legendary Mutation Messages Fix.esp 59 3b LooksMenu.esp 60 3c QuickTrade.esp 254 FE 4c LibraryExtras.esp 254 FE 4d SunLightAlignment.esp 61 3d TrueStormsFO4-EarlierSunsets.esp 62 3e TrueStormsFO4-FarHarbor.esp 63 3f TrueStormsFO4-NukaWorld-FH-Compat.esp 254 FE 4e Step Fallout 4 - xLODGen Object Output.esp 254 FE 4f Step Fallout 4 - xLODGen Terrain Output.esp 254 FE 50 FOVSlider.esp 64 40 WorkshopPlus.esp 65 41 NoCarryWeightPenalty.esp 66 42 FasterSurvivalStimpaks.esp 67 43 WorkshopRearranged.esp 68 44 Clarity.esp 254 FE 51 WET.esp 69 45 Better Landscape Grass.esp 254 FE 52 ImTalkingToYou.esp 70 46 Vault-Tec Workshop Overhaul Redux.esp 71 47 Vault88 - Essentials.esp 254 FE 53 Lightweight Lighting.esp 254 FE 54 PRP.esp 254 FE 55 PRP-Compat-RegionNames.esp 254 FE 56 PRP-Compat-Clarity-43.esp 254 FE 57 PRP-SS2.esp 72 48 BostonLibrarySettlement.esp 254 FE 58 BostonLibrarySettlementRobots.esp 254 FE 59 OCsNukaTransitCenter.esp 73 49 Pip-Boy Flashlight.esp 254 FE 5a WCLI_NatickSubstation.esp 254 FE 5b WCLINS_Previs.esp 74 4a Step Patch - Conflict Resolution.esp 254 FE 5c Step Patch - Lighting and Weather.esp 75 4b M8r Complex Sorter.esp 76 4c Synthesis.esp Edited April 15 by CaptainDiabetes
DoubleYou Posted April 15 Posted April 15 YouTube is typically best for videos. It sounds like perhaps a driver update changed your graphics settings. I think you are right about it being VSync related. Another one to look into would be Shadow Boost's settings.
CaptainDiabetes Posted April 15 Author Posted April 15 (edited) 1 hour ago, DoubleYou said: YouTube is typically best for videos. i would need to upload the video with 120 FPS to really show the issue, since it will be much harder to spot if the already recorded video gets downgraded. i will try to record one video with 60fps where the issue is still well visible 1 hour ago, DoubleYou said: It sounds like perhaps a driver update changed your graphics settings. I think you are right about it being VSync related. i don't think it's vsync related. i tried those settings (and also restarted the game for every change): vsync via BethINI on vsync via BethINI off, via driver on (both normal and AMD enhanced sync) vsync via BethINI off, via high fps physics fix on completely off, via high fps physics fix "allow tearing = true" As far as I can tell, all the settings work "as intended". If any kind of VSync was active, there was no screen tearing at all. as soon as i went completely off, I didn't even notice the jitter anymore because the screen was tearing so much it's unbearable. I have my graphic driver updates on manual and I definitely did not install an update in the timespan the jittering started. infact, i didn't update since the driver update for horizon forbidden west was released. 1 hour ago, DoubleYou said: Another one to look into would be Shadow Boost's settings. I don't even use shadow boost since I'm getting overall good fps even with ultra settings and 8000 draw distance (very rarely it dips into the 90s). But i did fiddle around with the settings a bit, and it still didn't change anything. :/ It's also definitely not resource cost related, since the jitter stays perfectly consistent everywhere I go. interior, exterior, high demand areas, low demand areas, doesn't matter. Its also not TAA related. I tried with TAA and FXAA, the issue still persists. Also the FPS and frametime is perfectly stable almost all the time, absolutely no hitches or anything. AMD drivers don't report any microstutters at all either. EDIT: I uploaded a short clip of the issue on youtube. While youtube compression makes the issue look way worse than it is, it's still very visible how unsmooth it feels (even tho it was recorded in 120 fps and is available in 60 fps on youtube). This was recorded with vsync and TAA on, and while you can definitely see the jitter, there's no screen tearing at all. please don't mind the dude talking in the video, it's another video i played while trying to resolve the issue. i forgot to cut the audio. Edited April 15 by CaptainDiabetes
DoubleYou Posted April 15 Posted April 15 Hmmm... I'm not seeing it in the video. I've watched it several times and not really making it out. So two ideas. One is that you should test Bethini High preset and see if the situation improves. However, the fact you say the frametime and fps are perfectly stable, no hitches or microstutters, combined with the fact that I can't see it in the video, makes me think that perhaps your monitor settings may need to be adjusted. Do you think you see anything similar in my video?
CaptainDiabetes Posted April 15 Author Posted April 15 55 minutes ago, DoubleYou said: Hmmm... I'm not seeing it in the video. I've watched it several times and not really making it out. So two ideas. One is that you should test Bethini High preset and see if the situation improves. However, the fact you say the frametime and fps are perfectly stable, no hitches or microstutters, combined with the fact that I can't see it in the video, makes me think that perhaps your monitor settings may need to be adjusted. Do you think you see anything similar in my video? To be honest, yes I do. Could be youtube, but it doesn't look that smooth on your side aswell funnily i was able to resolve the issue. i disabled any kind of vsync and then forced the game to use freesync (i have a freesync monitor) now its buttery smooth. seems like this game doesn't like vsync at all. bethesda games always had their issues with that.... anyway, i guess this case is closed lol. forced freesync fixed my issue. i made a clip of the resolved issue. i had to film it with my smartphone tho since my driver recording introduced the jitter again. just watch my two videos next to each other, you should be able to spot the difference
DoubleYou Posted April 16 Posted April 16 I get that, and I think we're both sensitive to how it looks when frames go missing. I have a Gsync monitor, so yeah, you want to make sure you use that feature as much as possible. It can be a pain to set up sometimes, but I always know when it isn't working.
z929669 Posted April 16 Posted April 16 4 hours ago, CaptainDiabetes said: To be honest, yes I do. Could be youtube, but it doesn't look that smooth on your side aswell funnily i was able to resolve the issue. i disabled any kind of vsync and then forced the game to use freesync (i have a freesync monitor) now its buttery smooth. seems like this game doesn't like vsync at all. bethesda games always had their issues with that.... anyway, i guess this case is closed lol. forced freesync fixed my issue. i made a clip of the resolved issue. i had to film it with my smartphone tho since my driver recording introduced the jitter again. just watch my two videos next to each other, you should be able to spot the difference Our System Setup Guide goes into some detail about setting up G-SYNC and Freesync as well as monitor calibration. Your GPU and monitor work together to utilize G-SYNC/Freesync. The game doesn't know anything about it. As a result, Vsync and frame caps are unnecessary.
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