z929669 Posted July 27, 2022 Posted July 27, 2022 Discussion topic: Smart NPC Potions - Enemies Use Potions and Poisons by JaySerpa Wiki Link An alternative to EEOS with respect to potions to avoid flooding the economy with extra potions (can still use EEOS for spells/shouts) by allowing for modulation via MCM. Uses scripting rather than SPID to determine who has a probability of having/using potions (I like this method better than most carte blanch SPID approaches) Also see the associated Settings Loader for this mod. NEED WILLING TESTERS - If anyone wants to test this with or in comparison to EEOS (with that potions SPID disabled), it would be appreciated. We have some data.
z929669 Posted July 28, 2022 Author Posted July 28, 2022 I prefer this mod as a potential EEOS 'potions' replacement over NPCs Use Potions simply because it is more straight forward and offers simpler config via MCM (I believe the new implementation). Thoughts?
soupdragon Posted July 29, 2022 Posted July 29, 2022 I've been using it for some time it works pretty well you'll need zxlice's ultimate potion animation - ZUPA if want actual drinking animations though and even then its not all of the time 1
egocarib Posted August 10, 2022 Posted August 10, 2022 I replaced EEOS potions with this mod in my Step 2.0.0 install and have been playing for a few weeks. I think this mod does a far better job than EEOS with regard to not over-saturating potion drops on NPCs. My only slight complaint is that I've run into multiple (fairly low-level) enemies that use 3-ish healing potions when I'm fighting them, which feels like just a little too much. I think this could likely be resolved with an MCM tweak to lower the "Max number of potions", but I haven't yet tried making any changes to the MCM (or else it could maybe be resolved by adding potion drinking animations as soupdragon suggested). I haven't fought many higher-level enemies yet so I can't speak to how well it works as you advance further. Overall, though, I like this mod and plan to continue playing with it. 1
z929669 Posted August 11, 2022 Author Posted August 11, 2022 On 8/9/2022 at 9:08 PM, egocarib said: I replaced EEOS potions with this mod in my Step 2.0.0 install and have been playing for a few weeks. I think this mod does a far better job than EEOS with regard to not over-saturating potion drops on NPCs. My only slight complaint is that I've run into multiple (fairly low-level) enemies that use 3-ish healing potions when I'm fighting them, which feels like just a little too much. I think this could likely be resolved with an MCM tweak to lower the "Max number of potions", but I haven't yet tried making any changes to the MCM (or else it could maybe be resolved by adding potion drinking animations as soupdragon suggested). I haven't fought many higher-level enemies yet so I can't speak to how well it works as you advance further. Overall, though, I like this mod and plan to continue playing with it. Tagged accepted for 2.1.0. We're recommending to reduce the max potions that can be used by an NPC during a fight from 4 to 3. This number is randomly assigned at the start of the fight, and NPCs have a 40% chance of using potions in a given fight. So 40% of fights with bandit, mage, and assassin NPCs will result in the NPC using 1 to 3 potions during a fight. Three potion uses should be seen in about 0.40 * 0.33 = 13% of these fights.
CorneliusC Posted August 31, 2022 Posted August 31, 2022 (edited) Thank you for the MCM recommendations. I assume i can install this and just sort alphabetically under 'Gameplay - AI & Combat'? (Mod is not in the guide or changelog yet, MCM settings are in the guide though ...) Edited August 31, 2022 by CorneliusC
z929669 Posted August 31, 2022 Author Posted August 31, 2022 4 hours ago, CorneliusC said: Thank you for the MCM recommendations. I assume i can install this and just sort alphabetically under 'Gameplay - AI & Combat'? (Mod is not in the guide or changelog yet, MCM settings are in the guide though ...) Sorry we missed adding this one. It's added now under Gameplay - Skills and Perks
fartooloud Posted November 24, 2022 Posted November 24, 2022 Hi, no FOMOD installer showing up while installing the mod. Checked 3 times. If its not my mistake (which could be, since im complete newbie) might be worth to update the installation note. Not a big deal but a quick fix in the guide.
z929669 Posted November 26, 2022 Author Posted November 26, 2022 On 11/24/2022 at 11:02 AM, fartooloud said: Hi, no FOMOD installer showing up while installing the mod. Checked 3 times. If its not my mistake (which could be, since im complete newbie) might be worth to update the installation note. Not a big deal but a quick fix in the guide. True. Instructions updated.
Lynndy_Asta Posted September 8 Posted September 8 There's a new update uploaded 30 Aug 2024. Should I use the new file or the 12 Oct 2022, version 1.11 file? 1
z929669 Posted September 8 Author Posted September 8 4 minutes ago, Lynndy_Asta said: There's a new update uploaded 30 Aug 2024. Should I use the new file or the 12 Oct 2022, version 1.11 file? Good question. The fix seems fine, but the added voice-acting to NPCs drinking potions sounds campy/cheeky and potentially vanilla UNfriendly. Try it and let us know if the vocalizations can be disabled via INI or MCM. I don't have time to test this for another week.
z929669 Posted October 10 Author Posted October 10 We're recommending v1.11 of this mod, since the v1.2 vocalizations are new and subjectively bad, good, or ...meh. I don't think they fit well into the game world, but some may disagree.
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