F&L TTW Convergence Feedback

[Jax765]

Hi. I'm TJ from the Tale of Two Wastelands team. This thread was just brought to my attention so I thought I'd post to maybe give some insight.

 

• I use MO with TTW myself, but most team members use the newest FOMM. With the creation of UIO most of the issues with using MO with TTW have been dealt with.
• TTW's latest release features a new installer. This takes a 1 hour + install and brings it down significantly, and if you're using MO you can skip FOMODs and drop your main files folder in your MO mods folder (for me the installer went from 50 minutes to 7 minutes from starting the installer to playing the game.)
• TTW is getting very near feature complete. Most of the older issues have been fixed and it is now very stable when the rest of your load order is stable.

When I saw F&L I was bummed that TTW wasn't shown any love. I'd like to see a F&L TTW version as I think the STEP setup is great for people who don't know much about these games and it would be fantastic to have one for TTW. I'd even link to your site from ours.

 

If you continue with this feel free to stop by twowastelands.com / taleoftwowastelands.com with any questions or for any advice.

Great to hear. I'm thinking about making my next playthrough a TTW one, just waiting for further updates and better compatibility with this guide.

[Adonis_VII]

So I've started trying to merge C&PD + F&L for a TTW overhaul.  I'm still quite early into it, focusing mainly on texture/meshes, but have started putting in some of the converted mods.  Below is my Mod order (not load order) so far. Mods are prefaced with the game for which they were designed.

 

Fixes

• FNV  - NVAC
• FNV  - NVSR
• TTW - Tale of Two Wastelands - Main Files
• TTW - TTW Fixes
• TTW - Delay DLC v2_1
• FNV  - OWB Sonic Emmiter Projectile Fix

Places

• FNV  - Vault 22 Flora Overhaul

UI

• FNV  - Omnis Hi-res Pip-Boy 3000

Texture Overhauls

• FO3  - HQ Terrain Overhaul
• FO3  - Better Clutter and Furniture Pack
• FO3  - Retextured Clutter Collection
• FO3  - Essentials Retex
• FNV  - MG's NCR Pack (FO3 MG was completely overwritten)
• FNV  - PocoBueno Texture Pack - Fixed
• TTW - NMC's - Medium - Cleaned: https://taleoftwowastelands.com/content/nmcs-texture-packs-cleanup-and-combine
• FO3  - C93 Distant LOD Rock Fix for NMC's
• FNV  - Textures Over Time - HH_Sandstone
• FO3  - Citadel Retextured
• FO3  - Mothership Zeta DLC Retextures

Plants & Stuff

• TTW - Vurt's Flora Overhaul TTW Edition: https://taleoftwowastelands.com/content/vurts-flora-overhaul-ttw-edition
• FNV  - Hectrol FX Dustorm Deluxe
• FNV  - Hectrol Tumbleweed
• FO3  - Raider grafitti Redone
• FNV  - HiRes Raider Graffiti
• FNV  - Improved LOD noise texture
• FNV  - Laurens Bathroom Poetry (FO3 version needs to be converted, then merged)

Packrat & Misc

• FO3  - Better Booze - Complete
• FO3  - Bear Trap Retextured v1
• FO3  - Hi-Res Vault Door Panels
• FO3  - Nuka-Cola Hi-Res Retexture
• FO3  - Skykappas Water Bottles
• FO3  - Skill Books Hi-Res Retexture
• FNV  - Shovel Retex
• FNV  - Hectrol Lock Interface Deluxe
• FNV  - Hi-Res Chems and Health Re-Texture
• FNV  - Magazine Redux
• FNV  - Minimod - High Resolution Newspapers
• FNV  - Money Higher Quality Retex
• FNV  - Ojo Bueno Nuka-Cola Machine
• FNV  - Pre-War Money Retexture $5
• FNV  - Fire Gecko Egg Retex
• FNV  - Tweaked Cashregister
• FNV  - Urban Food Re-Tex

Poosh

• FNV  - Better gas Leak Effect
• FNV  - Hectrol Binocular Scope
• FNV  - HD Smokey Fire and Explosions

Creatures

• FO3  - Hirezd - Supermutants
• FO3  - Hirezd - Supermutants Fawkes
• FO3  - Swampfolk Backwater Retexture
• FO3  - Vandr HD Creatures
• FNV  - aMidianBorn Book of Water - Book of Flesh
• FNV  - Feral Ghoul Retexture
• FNV  - Hectrol ED-E Deluxe
• FNV  - Glowing Ghouls
• FNV  - Improved Robot Textures
• FNV  - Super Mutant Mesh Replacer

NPC

• FNV  - Authentic Burned Man
• FNV  - Ghoul retexture for Roberts
• TTW - Fallout 3 Redesigned: https://taleoftwowastelands.com/content/ttw-fallout-3-new-vegas-redesigned
• FO3  - Lil - An Eye Improvement Mod

Body (Note ideally once all the textures are figured out, just merge all Type 3 and Roberts into their own TTW installer)

• FO3  - Roberts Male Body F3
• FNV  - Roberts Male Body
• FO3  - Dimonized Type3 female body
• FO3  - Type3 Armor Replacers
• FO3  - MZ Outfits for Type3
• FO3  - Pittraider replacer for Type3
• FO3  - MZ Samurai combat female armor replacers
• FO3  - Type3 Tribal female replacer
• FNV  - Type3 Armor Pack - Complete
• FNV  - Dead Money Type 3 Outfits
• FNV  - Type 3 Honest Hearts Complete
• FNV  - Type3 OWB
• FNV  - Lonesome Road Type3 Armors

Armor

• FO3  - Supermutant Armor Retextured HiRes (Macintrol)
• FO3  - Fawkes Re-texture Hi-Res (clothes only, hide skin. Macintrol)
• FO3  - Enclave DX - Galaxy Pulse
• FO3  - Hellfire DX - Cinder
• FO3  - Tesla Power Armor DX
• FO3  - Tribal DX (hide .esp.  Will function as texture replacer until properly converted)
• FO3  - Winterized DX
• FO3  - Bornagain Outcast (hide .esp.  Will function as texture replacer until properly converted)
• FNV  - Wasteland Clothing HD
• FNV  - ALR - Aptoms Legion Retextured
• FNV  - Bornagain Combat Armor
• FNV  - aMidianBorn NV - Book of Water - Book of Steel
• FNV  - The Legacy of X13
• FNV  - NC Civilian Clothing
• FNV  - NCR Trooper beta
• FNV  - NCR Trooper Overhaul
• FNV  - Pip-Boy Light Colors

Weapons

• FO3  - Hi-Res Weapons and Ammo Textures (hide all weapon meshes. Still not sure if rest is useful)
• FO3  - Hirezd - All weapons + casings  (non deluxe)
• FNV  - Weapon Retexture Project
• FNV  - 357 Revolve reretextured (hide esp)
• FNV  - Singe Shot reretexture (hide esp)
• FNV  - Bozar Retexture
• FNV  - LAER Retexture
• FNV  - HD One Hand Melee
• FNV  - Fire Axe
• TTW - EVE: https://taleoftwowastelands.com/content/ttw-eve

Lighting

• TTW - Realistic Wasteland Lighting: https://taleoftwowastelands.com/content/ttw-realistic-wasteland-lighting
• TTW - Realistic Interior Lighting: https://taleoftwowastelands.com/content/conversion-realistic-interior-lighting
• FNV  - Old World Blues Path Lighting

Gameplay

• TTW - Optional: More Cooking Items
• TTW - Curier's Stash Pack Distribution https://taleoftwowastelands.com/content/couriers-stash-pack-distribution

 

 

I still have a ways to go.  Some of the conversions I haven't used take some liberties beyond the original mods so it may be difficult to get everything 100% the same. The ones I'm looking at now/keeping an eye are:

 

Armor

• TTW - DX Power Armor: https://taleoftwowastelands.com/content/dx-power-armor
• TTW - Amidianborn Book of Water: https://taleoftwowastelands.com/content/ttw-amidianbornbornagain-book-water

Places

• TTW - Bailey's Crossing reopened
• TTW - Busworld (or Metro Carriage Interiors as it seems more polished, though with less content) https://taleoftwowastelands.com/content/busworld
• TTW - Point Lookout Reborn: https://taleoftwowastelands.com/content/ttw-point-lookout-reborn
• TTW - Project Interiors (whenever it comes back)
• TTW - Powered Power Armor: https://taleoftwowastelands.com/content/powered-power-armor-ttw-edition
• TTW - Autogates: https://taleoftwowastelands.com/content/autogates
• Conversions from C&PD

Stuff

• FNV  - New Vegas Uncut Merged
• FNV  - Sandbox Uncut Merged
• TTW - Project Nevada (this one looks like a pain) https://taleoftwowastelands.com/content/project-nevada-patch
• FNV  - Fallout NV Redesigned 3 + FCO (there is a TTW combined esp for 2. Haven't looked at 3)
• FNV  - IMPACT
• TTW - Better Breaching: https://taleoftwowastelands.com/content/better-breaching
• TTW - Optional: Bobbleheads
• TTW - WMX: https://taleoftwowastelands.com/content/ttw-wmx
• TTW - Advanced Recon Thermal Nightvision: https://taleoftwowastelands.com/content/ttw-patch-advanced-recon-thermal-nightvision

Lighting

• FNV  - Interior Lighting Overhaul (hoping for that FO3/TTW edition)
• TTW - Street Lights (would need to make own to work with Electro-city) https://taleoftwowastelands.com/content/ttw-street-lights

Physics

• FNV  - Ragdoll Overhaul (Convert FO3 version and merge)(not on nexus)
• FNV - Reloading Bench Work Bench Collision Fix (not on nexus)
• F03 - Detailed Collision
• FNV - Collision Mesh Overhaul (not on nexus)
• FNV - Precision Collision - Clutter (custom cleaned)
• FNV - Project Fixed Terrain v3 (Not on nexus)

The sound mods + gameplay tweaks

 

*EDIT: Typo and added mods

Edited January 6, 2015 by Adonis_VII

[butt3rbr0t]

So I've started trying to merge C&PD + F&L for a TTW overhaul...

Thank you! I just planned to start a TTW Setup and didn't have a clue which mods to use especially which are compatible in any way. Your list makes a perfect start (and you saved me a lot of time of searching through the Forums by adding the links to the TTW mods  )

[Adonis_VII]

Quite a few of the other mods should work, but alot would have to be gone through individually:

 

Fixes:

• Armor Replacer Child NPC Fix - should work
• Reload Speed Game Start Fix - I remember hearing something about an issue with this and TTW but I might be wrong
• REPCONN Test Site Fixes - Should work
• SafeShowRaceMenu - I'm not sure. I think FO3 has extra races FNV doesn't, which caused some issues with FCO

Cut Content

• New Vegas Uncut Merged - should work
• sandbox6 Merged - should work

Quests

• Sortomatic - no idea
• All others should work

UI

• Until PN gets sorted out completely with patches I'm not touching this

Weather and Lighting

• Electro-City - works
• Nevada Skies - I think they fixed the TTW bugs.  I'm not sure it fits DC though.

Plants & Stuff

• Lauren's bathroom poetry - NV side works, FO3 side needs to be converted then merged

If you'll be my bodyguard

• Willow - Should work
• Animated Sweat Effect - should work
• Fallout Character Overhaul - I've heard there are some issues with races
• New Vegas Redesigned 3 - depends on FCO and therefore the races issue
• New Vegas Redesigned 2 - works completely

[Adonis_VII]

So far that's at 3290/9627 (34%) for Fallout 3 and 4149/15413 (27%) for Fallout New Vegas for textures replaced.

[tjmidnight]

Lighting

• TTW - Street Lights (would need to make own to work with Electro-city) https://taleoftwowastelands.com/content/ttw-street-lights

Download the complete pack in that post, then overwrite it with either of the streetlight files linked in that post to make it FO3 only. Those files are there to make sure it's compatible with Electro-City.

[Adonis_VII]

On the lighting side I'm running the following without issue:

• TTW - Fallout Street Lights (thanks TJ, glossed over instructions first go) https://taleoftwowastelands.com/content/ttw-street-lights
• TTW - Realistic World Lighting https://taleoftwowastelands.com/content/ttw-realistic-wasteland-lighting
• TTW - Realistic Interior Lighting https://taleoftwowastelands.com/content/conversion-realistic-interior-lighting
• FO3 - Megaton Lighting Overhaul (Self Converted)
• FNV - Old World Blues Path Lighting https://taleoftwowastelands.com/content/conversion-realistic-interior-lighting
• FNV - Interior Lighting Overhaul (Note TTW Interiors is used instead of NV Interiors.  The patch for NV Interiors would need to be altered. Also I'm not running the TTW version which is outdated)
• FNV - Electro-City

So far these all work without issue and look fantastic.  I think I have all the base weapons worked out from whats available so far (none of the added ones).  I'll post the combined order for all of them later, along with an updated list of texture/mesh mods.

[Adonis_VII]

MetroCars.esp (Metro Carriage Interiors) needs to have changes from TTW forwarded at the following locations:

 [0E] MetroCars.esp \ Cell \ Block 0 \ Sub-Block 1 \ 06023226 <MetroCenter07> \ Temporary \ 060BA5A0
 [0E] MetroCars.esp \ Cell \ Block 0 \ Sub-Block 1 \ 06023226 <MetroCenter07> \ Temporary \ 060BA5F9
 [0E] MetroCars.esp \ Cell \ Block 0 \ Sub-Block 1 \ 06023226 <MetroCenter07> \ Temporary \ 060C97D2
 [0E] MetroCars.esp \ Cell \ Block 0 \ Sub-Block 4 \ 0601A284 <MetroCenter04> \ Temporary \ 060CB20B
 [0E] MetroCars.esp \ Cell \ Block 3 \ Sub-Block 2 \ 0601A273 <FranklinMetro02> \ Temporary \ 060BC439
 [0E] MetroCars.esp \ Cell \ Block 4 \ Sub-Block 4 \ 0601A288 <FriendshipMetro02> \ Temporary \ 060CBF5A
 [0E] MetroCars.esp \ Cell \ Block 6 \ Sub-Block 6 \ 060BC4C2 <zcArlingtonToFalls> \ Temporary \ 060CA463
 [0E] MetroCars.esp \ Cell \ Block 8 \ Sub-Block 4 \ 0601A28C <MetroCenter01> \ Temporary \ 06045F5C
 [0E] MetroCars.esp \ Worldspace \ 0607EA1F <Wasteland>

[hishutup]

This info may benefit by being on a wiki page.

Its up to you if you want to take a look at it.

[Adonis_VII]

I'd be up for it.  I had an issue logging in with my account on the wiki before.  I'll look at it again.

[Adonis_VII]

For the time being, I'm collating a lot of changes/fixes to be made for some of the mods that the conversion script doesn't cover here: https://wiki.step-project.com/User:Adonis_VII.  This is not definitive in any way.  I just wanted to write everything I've found for hopefully some discussion at some point.  I'd still consider myself a novice at this compared to some of the more experienced members, but it should serve as a launching point.  Most location/lighting stuff is easy.  I have no experience with scripting however so I'm not touching any conversions with scripts.  Also many of the NV mods need proper extensions for FO3 weapons (IMPACT being the largest culprit).

[GrantSP]

As you are working on this, do you have a separate MO installation setup that handles all these mods isolated from regular Fallout3/NV mods?

 

You've tweaked my interest in getting TTW installed.

Edited January 26, 2015 by GrantSP

[Adonis_VII]

So I don't run the full C&PD as many mods won't be ported to TTW, like all the weapon mods.  This makes alot of the patches useless.  In MO I run a TTW profile and a F&L profile.  I've combined all the graphics mods from both guides already, and now am going through 1 by 1 to see what is converted and adding that to my TTW profile.  Right now I'm looking at each mod by itself, changing errors to work with TTW.  They all play nice with each other, but I'll still have to look in depth to make patches once I have everything in.  One thing I am not doing however is dealing with any added weapons/clothes such as Millenial's.  I'm trying to get all the weapons from FO3 completely fleshed out before adding anything new.

[GrantSP]

So you're saying you just made a TTW profile which is run from your standard FNV MO installation?

I guess you just manually add in the FO3 mods and the TTW specific mods to the MO installation?

 

I'll keep my eye on your progress, I'm just finishing off the F&L install after I had success with C&PD. I was going to do Mythic Dawn next but I lack a couple of the minor DLCs and I'm losing my love of Oblivion in favour of the Fallout series... again.

[Adonis_VII]

I did a clean install of FO3 and FNV.  I then ran the TTW installer and pointed to a temporary folder.  I archived all the TTW files with 7zip.  I went ahead and installed two copies of MO, and all the utilities for both games.  Then I just installed the archived TTW files with FNV MO and had it activated with my TTW profile, so I can switch between F&L and TTW.