INI Tweaks - Sun

[z929669]

11 minutes ago, DoubleYou said:

I agree that's @z929669's preference above is overly small. But I think the tweaks to ENB accomplished in the third shot may even make default size/glare look fine.

Yes, I was only illustrating with the size I liked best for ME not for Step. The ENB changes translate exactly the same for all sizes. The result is that the ENB change keeps the CW look, irrespective of size

[TechAngel85]

22 minutes ago, DoubleYou said:

I think @z929669's enb tweaks will be all that is really needed to make it look fine with default size. The ENB fully makes the sun 2x size with current settings. This is why I opted for saying the next size down looked best.

Putting this side by side from the compares above to show what I mean:

Default with current enb --> Default no enb --> Next size down w/enb

  

Thanks. That is not the sun I created so something had to have been reverted or it's weather dependent, which I didn't set for each.

I'm fine with this third image and it looks similar to the size I initially created.

EDIT:
ENB's issue is mainly the glare which I think I turned almost all the way down to get a rounder sun.

[z929669]

This is why I wanted to look an no ENB and ENB side by side

 

[z929669]

17 minutes ago, TechAngel85 said:

Thanks. That is not the sun I created so something had to have been reverted or it's weather dependent, which I didn't set for each.

I'm fine with this third image and it looks similar to the size I initially created.

You created the sun size? Not CW? Clearly I am missing something, so just asking.

The default Step size is the very first image in my compares (the one at upper left). So that's the size in current step without ENB.

I think it's too big. Size increases as the sun gets closer to the horizon. It's smallest at 1 PM (but still giant). ENB we currently have makes it worse, but the changes I have in place for next round of testing mitigate this as in that correction I posted.

[TechAngel85]

14 minutes ago, z929669 said:

You created the sun size? Not CW? Clearly I am missing something, so just asking.

The default Step size is the very first image in my compares (the one at upper left). So that's the size in current step without ENB.

I think it's too big. Size increases as the sun gets closer to the horizon. It's smallest at 1 PM (but still giant). ENB we currently have makes it worse, but the changes I have in place for next round of testing mitigate this as in that correction I posted.

Yes, but that's not how it looked when I was done with it. It was smaller and a lot less flary. CW is weather, not ENB...I don't get the correlation? Do they recommended settings I wasn't aware of?

 

[z929669]

25 minutes ago, TechAngel85 said:

Yes, but that's not how it looked when I was done with it. It was smaller and a lot less flary. CW is weather, not ENB...I don't get the correlation? Do they recommended settings I wasn't aware of?

 

The very first image in the compares I posted is 'the' sun size in Step 2.0.0 exactly. No change whatsoever. That's the baseline. There is no ENB in the first image of each set.

The second image in each set has revised ENB settings  based on the ENB settings I posted. I actually reduced the ProcSun values slightly, so the original values we had for this would make for a slightly larger sun actually.

Perhaps a diff in GFX settings?

 

15 hours ago, z929669 said:

Experimenting with various tweaks to the sun INI settings:

• fSunBaseSize -default 425
• fSunGlareSize -default 600

Testing is done in clear (81a) weather at about 9:40 AM (day).

Relevant Step ENB (v0.3.2) settings that effect sun size and look:

[SKY]
GradientIntensityDay=1
GradientMiddleIntensityDay=1
GradientHorizonIntensityDay=1
SunIntensity*=1.1

[PROCEDURALSUN]
GlowIntensity*=0.75
GlowCurve*=3.5

Modified Step ENB settings (proposed)

[SKY]
GradientIntensityDay=0.6
GradientMiddleIntensityDay=1.05
GradientHorizonIntensityDay=1.2
SunIntensity*=1

[PROCEDURALSUN]
GlowIntensity*=0.4
GlowCurve*=0.5

SSE 2.0.0 Compares

No ENB  >  ENB (proposed settings used, because they are more like CW, which has crisper edges with minimal teal margin)

425/600 (default)  >  200/282  >  100/141  >  75/106

second image in this 1st set is Step 2.0.0 ... actually, this has the improved PROCEDURALSUN tweak so 2.0.0 is even bigger and more teal.

 

 

[TechAngel85]

15 hours ago, z929669 said:

200/282 with ENB

100/141 with ENB

My size was between the two above with a bit less flare. I know I did it because I clearly remember staring at the sun around noon to tweak. That's why I mentioned it had to have been reverted at some point between the two of us.

The top one looks like "enhanced vanilla", to me.
The bottom one is a bit too small, imo.

[z929669]

 

17 minutes ago, TechAngel85 said:

My size was between the two above with a bit less flare. I know I did it because I clearly remember staring at the sun around noon to tweak. That's why I mentioned it had to have been reverted at some point between the two of us.

The top one looks like "enhanced vanilla", to me.
The bottom one is a bit too small, imo.

... gotta read the post. I highlighted what I originally wrote in quote of my self in previous post to point out the fact that the sun size with our original ENB was even bigger with even more teal along the edge, because this representation has my tweak to ProcSun applied. I had forgotten about that when I was grabbing the compares.

17 minutes ago, TechAngel85 said:

My size was between the two above with a bit less flare. I know I did it because I clearly remember staring at the sun around noon to tweak. That's why I mentioned it had to have been reverted at some point between the two of us.

The sun at 1 PM is at is smallest. I mentioned this in a previous post somewhere up there. This is why you recall it being smaller. It's at max size when closer to horizon (I also mentioned this in yet another post up there). My shots were at around 9:40-ish AM (as I mentioned in OP)

[TechAngel85]

19 minutes ago, z929669 said:

The sun at 1 PM is at is smallest. I mentioned this in a previous post somewhere up there. This is why you recall it being smaller. It's at max size when closer to horizon (I also mentioned this in yet another post up there)

I read that and that could have been the case. I didn't do anything but at noon and wasn't aware it grew at sunrise/set. That makes sense, though, considering I was having a hard time controlling the blown out sunsets. Standing on the hill above Dawnstar and looking at Solitude is the spot I used. Sun would always blow out and nearly conceal all of Solitude in glare.

[z929669]

12 minutes ago, TechAngel85 said:

I read that and that could have been the case. I didn't do anything but at noon and wasn't aware it grew at sunrise/set. That makes sense, though, consider I was having a hard time controlling the blown out sunsets. Standing on the hill above Dawnstar and looking at Solitude is the spot I used. Sun would always blow out and nearly conceal all of Solitude in glare.

Yeah, I can relate. That's why I went way out to COW tamriel 0 37 for this testing

[z929669]

So after fine tuning the ENB and testing further with the sun size values
 

425/600 (default CW; no ENB)  >  200/282 (default CW; no ENB)  >  200/282 (Step ENB 0.3.3)  >  250/350 (Step ENB 0.3.3) 

As you can see, the last shot is probably a good representation of vanilla/CW sun size with our updated ENB.

 

This is what I prefer for my game: 120/170 (Step ENB 0.3.3) 

[TechAngel85]

17 hours ago, z929669 said:

So after fine tuning the ENB and testing further with the sun size values
 

425/600 (default CW; no ENB)  >  200/282 (default CW; no ENB)  >  200/282 (Step ENB 0.3.3)  >  250/350 (Step ENB 0.3.3) 

As you can see, the last shot is probably a good representation of vanilla/CW sun size with our updated ENB.

 

This is what I prefer for my game: 120/170 (Step ENB 0.3.3) 

This isn't going to be helpful, but...

• 250/350 would technically be closer to an "enhanced vanilla". If it doesn't case issues with sunrise/set, then it would likely be the best fit for the Mandates.
• However, I like 200/282 too. It seems like it would be a good comprise without getting too far from vanilla.

[z929669]

17 minutes ago, TechAngel85 said:

This isn't going to be helpful, but...

• 250/350 would technically be closer to an "enhanced vanilla". If it doesn't case issues with sunrise/set, then it would likely be the best fit for the Mandates.
• However, I like 200/282 too. It seems like it would be a good comprise without getting too far from vanilla.

No rise/set issues either way. I agree that the 200/282 size is an optimal lore-friendly improvement.

[z929669]

Updated BethINI instructions and PP alert to include sun size tweak. Updated changelog likewise.