Frustrating Crash on Startup

[UnusualAlias]

I'm not big on posting problems to public forums, but I'm at my wit's end on this one.

 

Recently I decided to nuke my New Vegas install and start again using F&L. Two days of intensive downloading, sorting and double-clicking later I got most of the way through (still haven't made any attempt at DDSOPT), but in testing what I have, I've hit a problem I can't resolve.

 

The game doesn't start, I get the "Fallout New Vegas has stopped working" and nothing else, which in my experience is usually a load order issue, so I ran it through FNVedit to try to figure out where the issue was, but FNVedit loads and edits my install without giving problems. I've run my load order through LOOT repeatedly, but it spits out exactly what I'm using. I've got no indication I can point to of where the issue is and even less idea.

 

My next best guess would be an INI issue, but everything worked just fine at the guide's recommended test point with the exact same INI settings, so I'm pretty sure it's not that.I can switch back to the default profile, and the basic launcher, NVSE and FNV4gb all work just fine with Mod Organiser there. So before I go for anything more heartbreaking or drastic to try to sort this out, I was hoping maybe someone here had some experience or pointers. I've checked the forums, and at the risk of looking very foolish when someone points it out, I can't find anyone having this exact issue, I really hope it's just something small and dumb I'm overlooking here.

 

[spoiler=Error Message Detail] Problem Event Name: BEX
Application Name: FalloutNV.exe
Application Version: 1.4.0.525
Application Timestamp: 4e0d50ed
Fault Module Name: FalloutNV.exe
Fault Module Version: 1.4.0.525
Fault Module Timestamp: 4e0d50ed
Exception Offset: 00ac6bfe
Exception Code: c0000417
Exception Data: 00000000
OS Version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.768.3
Locale ID: 3081
Additional Information 1: 29dd
Additional Information 2: 29ddfc8af651bcf7cde25089baeb9fdc
Additional Information 3: ed13
Additional Information 4: ed13433d60be6acf8fa7e2fe57e88b65

 

 

[spoiler=Load Order] 0 0 FalloutNV.esm
1 1 DeadMoney.esm
2 2 HonestHearts.esm
3 3 OldWorldBlues.esm
4 4 LonesomeRoad.esm
5 5 GunRunnersArsenal.esm
6 6 ClassicPack.esm
7 7 MercenaryPack.esm
8 8 TribalPack.esm
9 9 CaravanPack.esm
10 a YUP - Base Game + All DLC.esm
11 b Sortomatic.esm
12 c SomeguySeries.esm
13 d Detect Traps.esm
14 e Advanced Recon Tech.esm
15 f Ambient Temperature.esm
16 10 JIP Selective-Fire.esm
17 11 Inventory Access.esm
18 12 NVInteriors_Core.esm
19 13 Interior Lighting Overhaul - Core.esm
20 14 New Vegas Redesigned 3.esm
21 15 ELECTRO-CITY - CompletedWorkorders.esm
22 16 NVInteriors_ComboEdition.esm
23 17 Tales from the Burning Sands.esm
24 18 Project Nevada - Core.esm
25 19 Project Nevada - Equipment.esm
26 1a Project Nevada - Rebalance.esp
27 1b oHUD.esm
28 1c ELECTRO-CITY - Highways and Byways.esm
29 1d Interior Lighting Overhaul - L38PS.esm
30 1e FCOMaster.esm
31 1f Gomorrah Redesigned.esp
32 20 domecity.esm
33 21 NVWillow.esp
34 22 The New Bison Steve Hotel.esm
35 23 Project Nevada - Cyberware.esp
36 24 Project Nevada - Extra Options.esm
37 25 NevadaSkies.esm
38 26 NVInt_ARoomWithAView.esm
39 27 Weapons.of.the.New.Millenia.esm
40 28 Caliber.esm
41 29 More Perks.esm
42 2a Afterschool Special.esm
43 2b D.E.I.M.O.S..esm
44 2c GRARG.esm
YUP - NPC Fixes (Base Game + All DLC).esp
OWB Sonic Emmiter Fix.esp
45 2d Project Nevada - Rebalance Complete.esp
46 2e Vurt's WFO.esp
47 2f New Vegas Redesigned 3.esp
48 30 Sandbox6 Mods Merged.esp
49 31 TrooperOverhaul-Dragbody.esp
Improved Sound FX.esp
50 32 Yuki Merged Mods.esp
51 33 Project Nevada - All DLC.esp
52 34 vault22FloralOverhaul.esp
53 35 EVE FNV - ALL DLC.esp
54 36 WeaponModsExpanded.esp
55 37 NewVegasUncutSeries.esp
56 38 WMX-DLCMerged.esp
57 39 RaestlozFactionArmorEnhancement.esp
58 3a Alternative Start.esp
59 3b EMR-StealthSuitMkII.esp
60 3c Machienzo Merged Mods.esp
61 3d SRB's Additional Weapons.esp
62 3e ADAM Complete.esp
63 3f Nipton Fires Extinguished.esp
64 40 MergedFixes.esp
65 41 Powered Power Armor.esp
66 42 Tutorial Killer Merged.esp
67 43 NewVegasBounties.esp
68 44 NewVegasBountiesII.esp
69 45 DarNifiedUINV.esp
Advanced Recon Tech - Detect Traps.esp
70 46 Detect Traps Merged.esp
71 47 Advanced Recon Gear.esp
72 48 Advanced Recon Range Finder.esp
73 49 Advanced Recon Gear - Project Nevada.esp
74 4a Advanced Recon Tech.esp
75 4b FPSWeaponWheel.esp
76 4c JIP Realistic Weapon Overheating.esp
77 4d JIP Companions Command & Control.esp
78 4e Jump Fall Fixer.esp
79 4f Ambient Temperature - PPA.esp
80 50 Project Nevada - Cyberware Additions.esp
81 51 The Mod Configuration Menu.esp
82 52 The Weapon Mod Menu.esp
Pip-Boy Light - Amber.esp
83 53 FlashlightNVSE.esp
84 54 Centered 3rd Person Camera.esp
85 55 CASM with MCM.esp
MiscItemIconsNV.esp
Project Nevada - Med-X Fix.esp
86 56 Sortomatic_for_House_of_the_Chef.esp
ILO - Nevada Skies Patch.esp
87 57 ILO Merged Patches.esp
88 58 OWB-Path Lights - Darker Nights.esp
89 59 OWB-Path Lights.esp
Mojave Nights.esp
90 5a FCO - Sweat.esp
91 5b Cass alternate version.esp
Roberts_NewVegas.esp
92 5c Better Burned Man.esp
93 5d FCO - GlowingOne.esp
FCO - Playable Races + Roberts Patch.esp
94 5e FCO - Willow.esp
FCO - Afterschool Special.esp
FCO - Beyond Boulder Dome.esp
FCO - The New Bison Steve.esp
DeadMoneyFemaleTuxedo.esp
ADAM Complete - Project Nevada Patch.esp
boa ncrpahelmet.esp
95 5f Boacombat2glove.esp
96 60 1nivVSLArmors.esp
97 61 populatedcasino.esp
98 62 Laurens_Bathroom_poetry.esp
99 63 ILO - YUP Patch.esp
100 64 Delay DLC - DM + HH + OWB + LR + GRA.esp
101 65 DragonskinTacticalOutfit.esp
102 66 Advanced Recon Armor.esp
DTO-ProjectNevada.esp
103 67 NukaCola-Ojo.esp
104 68 Holster.esp
105 69 1nivPNSLPatch.esp
106 6a Weapons.of.the.New.Millenia.Leveled.Lists.esp
107 6b Weapons.of.the.New.Millenia.CaliberX4+.Patch.esp
WMX-EVE-AllDLCMerged.esp
108 6c Improved Sound FX - WMX - Merged Major DLCs.esp
109 6d christinecos.esp
GRA-WRP-Patch-Two_Unofficial.esp
WMX-ArenovalisTextures.esp
110 6e Project Nevada - WMX.esp
111 6f WMX-ModernWeapons.esp
112 70 Project Nevada - EVE All DLC.esp
113 71 dD - Enhanced Blood Main NV.esp
114 72 Ragdolls.esp
115 73 CONELRAD 640-1240.esp
Improved Sound FX - Project Nevada.esp
116 74 ammoingredientsloot.esp
117 75 mapmarkers.esp
118 76 ArmourRepairKits.esp
119 77 Casino Exchange All.esp
Integration - Couriers Stash.esp
120 78 Improved Casinos 2X.esp
121 79 PortableCampsite.esp
122 7a Tales PN.esp
Tutorial Killer - Alternative Start.esp
123 7b Weapons.of.the.New.Millenia.Store.LITE.esp
124 7c distributed_necklaces_and_chains_neck_seam_concealer.esp
125 7d F&L Game Tweaks.esp
Centered 3rd Person Camera - Unraised.esp
126 7e NevadaSkies - Ultimate DLC Edition.esp
127 7f Bashed Patch, 0.esp

 

 

I looked at the MO logs, but I've got no idea what would and wouldn't be helpful if I posted it, I can't see any specific message that points to anything obvious.

 

Guidance would be much appreciated.

 

As an addendum, it's my first post here, so in case EssArrBee reads this, thank you, F&L is invaluably helpful and I hope I actually get to appreciate the final product soon.

 

[UnusualAlias]

Update 2: Solution found

 

I'm an idiot.

 

The problem was BSAs. I extracted them, and everything is now working. For bonus idiot points I've figured out why they were a problem. It seems the major error I commited while following the guide was that I accidentally downloaded the wrong version of Mod Organiser, I'm running 1.2.18.

 

Thanks to everyone for their help. I can't believe I managed to get it that badly wrong.

Edited July 21, 2015 by UnusualAlias

[GSDFan]

You said you nuked your install of NV, Did you run the game from Steam after you reinstalled NV? You need to do this to set up the windows registry path and game ini files for MO to copy to the default profile.

[UnusualAlias]

Yes, I ran the game through steam before I got started. I also didn't delete the main executable in the first place if that helps at all. I used the process for reseting my New Vegas install described in the guide, deleting most things in the game directory and data folders, and using steam to verify game cache integrity. I also ran the game a couple of times during the earlier stages of the guide, through MO and shortly after installing the UI mods, and it was working just fine.

 

Edit: I had been running FNV4gb before as well, but I deleted that and retrieved the original exe from the exes folder and dragged it back into the game directory before verifying, in case this detail is important.

Edited July 20, 2015 by UnusualAlias

[Genius384]

Try setting MO and the various *.exe files to run as Administrator and see if it runs then.

[GSDFan]

I believe that FNV4gb creates the the fallout.exe in the exes folder and is the modified file. Dragging it back will cause other problems like, "Steam Error, Application load error 3:0000065432" when NVSE is launched and "Original exe modified -> Executable headers failed to validate. An unmodified original exe is required. You should get Steam to validate your game cache and download unmodified versions of any files" error when 4gb is run.

 

Verify the cache again to ge the original file back.

 

 

[UnusualAlias]

Try setting MO and the various *.exe files to run as Administrator and see if it runs then.

Didn't work.

 

 

I believe that FNV4gb creates the the fallout.exe in the exes folder and is the modified file. Dragging it back will cause other problems like, "Steam Error, Application load error 3:0000065432" when NVSE is launched and "Original exe modified -> Executable headers failed to validate. An unmodified original exe is required. You should get Steam to validate your game cache and download unmodified versions of any files" error when 4gb is run.

 

Verify the cache again to ge the original file back.

 

 

I re-verified, which had some strange effects on mod organiser. I ran the game first outisde of mod organiser, then at the default profile, which still works, and then in the Fear and Loathing profile, which has spontaneously sprouted haphazard categories and failed to start as per before.

 

Edit: Disregard what I said about the weird effects, I'd apparently just hit the sort to categories option by accident, now looks like I left it again.

Edited July 20, 2015 by UnusualAlias

[UnusualAlias]

Update

 

So I've gone through and examined my mod installation piece by piece, like I should have done earlier and I've caught the culprits, though I'm not sure what's wrong with them or why. Interior Lighting Overhaul, Willow, Advanced Recon Stealth Armor, Spice of Life and Courier's stash integration. With any of these five enabled I get the access violation error and the game won't start, without them enabled it'll start just fine.

 

If anything about that list leaps out at anyone please let me know, I'm going to investigate further.