KRZ Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 (edited) Hey sheson, I'm encountering an occlusion(?) issue on the world map. My best guess would be that distant cells somehow get occluded behind mountains that only cover them partially. At least that's what it looks like. I know videos are disliked, but just in case the explanation is lacking. Length is 11 seconds: https://streamable.com/vr87dn Skyrim.ini settings: [MapMenu] bWorldMapNoSkyDepthBlur=0 fMapWorldMaxPitch=90 fMapWorldMinPitch=0 fMapWorldYawRange=400 fWorldMapDepthBlurScale=0.3000000119 fWorldMapMaximumDepthBlur=0.4499999881 fWorldMapNearDepthBlurScale=4 uLockedObjectMapLOD=8 uLockedObjectTerrainLOD=8 Logs attached below, DynDOLOD_SSE_Debug_log here cause too large Thank you for assistance or if you can point me in the right direction cause I use bad settings, that would be equally as much appreciated! LOGS.zip Edited May 24 by KRZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeostraAscend Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 (edited) Every once in a while, I see this really jarring flower in the LOD region in Whiterun. It definitely got stitched into the LOD texture when running TexGen, but I cannot figure out where the original texture is coming from. Any help would be appreciated. Edited May 24 by TeostraAscend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRieST Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 2 hours ago, TeostraAscend said: Every once in a while, I see this really jarring flower in the LOD region in Whiterun. It definitely got stitched into the LOD texture when running TexGen, but I cannot figure out where the original texture is coming from. Any help would be appreciated. To me it looks like, if this belongs to the red mountain flower as in the atlas next to it are the blue and violet version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheson Posted May 24 Author Share Posted May 24 4 hours ago, AnonyMouse said: Below is all of the bugs I guess? I'm new to DynDOLOD. I'd just like to know how to fix these or if they're even a problem. Most of the Dragonborn.esm bugs are most likely from "Happy Little Trees - DLC Trees (Object Base Swapper)" I think. Not entirely sure about the other ones. Moved to the DynDOLOD 3 Alpha thread. Read the first post and/or https://dyndolod.info/Official-DynDOLOD-Support-Forum#Post-Logs which DynDOLOD log and debug log to upload when making posts. These pages explain the bugs/messages: https://dyndolod.info/Messages/Large-Reference-Bugs, https://dyndolod.info/Messages/Base-Record-Type-Not-STAT-or-MSTT-For-Large-Reference, https://dyndolod.info/Messages/Initially-Disabled-Large-Reference, https://dyndolod.info/Messages/Overwritten-Large-Reference. https://dyndolod.info/Help/Large-Reference-Bugs-Workarounds explains how to not have visual issues in the game because of the bugs by using DynDOLOD DLL NG and Scripts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheson Posted May 24 Author Share Posted May 24 9 hours ago, KRZ said: Hey sheson, I'm encountering an occlusion(?) issue on the world map. My best guess would be that distant cells somehow get occluded behind mountains that only cover them partially. At least that's what it looks like. I know videos are disliked, but just in case the explanation is lacking. Length is 11 seconds: https://streamable.com/vr87dn Skyrim.ini settings: [MapMenu] bWorldMapNoSkyDepthBlur=0 fMapWorldMaxPitch=90 fMapWorldMinPitch=0 fMapWorldYawRange=400 fWorldMapDepthBlurScale=0.3000000119 fWorldMapMaximumDepthBlur=0.4499999881 fWorldMapNearDepthBlurScale=4 uLockedObjectMapLOD=8 uLockedObjectTerrainLOD=8 Logs attached below, DynDOLOD_SSE_Debug_log here cause too large Thank you for assistance or if you can point me in the right direction cause I use bad settings, that would be equally as much appreciated! LOGS.zip 862.71 kB · 0 downloads The map does not really use the LOD occlusion data. It is also not used as as soon as the player is a certain amount above the ground. Does the problem go away when testing without DynDOLOD? https://dyndolod.info/Official-DynDOLOD-Support-Forum#Rudimentary-Troubleshooting Does the problem go away when using default INI settings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheson Posted May 24 Author Share Posted May 24 2 hours ago, TeostraAscend said: Every once in a while, I see this really jarring flower in the LOD region in Whiterun. It definitely got stitched into the LOD texture when running TexGen, but I cannot figure out where the original texture is coming from. Any help would be appreciated. Moved to the DynDOLOD 3 Alpha thread. Read the first post and/or https://dyndolod.info/Official-DynDOLOD-Support-Forum#Post-Logs which TexGen and DynDOLOD logs and debugs logs to upload when making posts. Make a useful screenshot of the full model with more informative console as explained in https://dyndolod.info/Official-DynDOLOD-Support-Forum#In-Game-Screenshots The full model filename and base record form ID can be used to determine the LOD billboard filename. https://dyndolod.info/Help/Tree-Grass-LOD-Billboards: he billboard path and filename are constructed from the master plugin filename and form ID - the first two (or five in case of a light plugin) digits of the load order ID are always zero - of the tree base record and the filename of the full model (without .NIF suffix). For example, the billboard files for the tree base record 0006A9E6 defining TreeAspen01.NIF becomes ..\Textures\LODGen\Skyrim.esm\TreeAspen01_0006A9E6.* TexGen does not generate the object LOD texture atlas shown in the second screenshot. It is generated by DynDOLOD from the textures found in the load order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRZ Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 6 hours ago, sheson said: The map does not really use the LOD occlusion data. It is also not used as as soon as the player is a certain amount above the ground. Does the problem go away when testing without DynDOLOD? https://dyndolod.info/Official-DynDOLOD-Support-Forum#Rudimentary-Troubleshooting Does the problem go away when using default INI settings? God damnit, you're right. I've removed everything related to DynDOLOD and the issue persisted, even when using default INI settings. What a pain in the a**. I'm terribly sorry for the false report. Thanks for putting up with me and have a nice day! o/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abbot Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 (edited) So this question shouldn't need any log since it is a GENERAL question. DynDOLOD 3. Ultra Trees. Is there a way to change the "crown brightness" for the tree LODs relevant only to SPECIFIC tree models? Or in other words, is there a way to avoid changing the crown brightness for ALL tree lods at the same time? I want to change the crown brightness only for the LOD of a specific tree. Edited May 24 by Abbot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheson Posted May 25 Author Share Posted May 25 8 hours ago, Abbot said: So this question shouldn't need any log since it is a GENERAL question. DynDOLOD 3. Ultra Trees. Is there a way to change the "crown brightness" for the tree LODs relevant only to SPECIFIC tree models? Or in other words, is there a way to avoid changing the crown brightness for ALL tree lods at the same time? I want to change the crown brightness only for the LOD of a specific tree. If a specific LOD asset does not match the full assets, then the LOD assets need to be updated/changed. You are asking for a solution for a problem that should not really happen in the first place. To find the best/correct solution for a problem, it should be properly investigated first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abbot Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 (edited) 3 hours ago, sheson said: If a specific LOD asset does not match the full assets, then the LOD assets need to be updated/changed. You are asking for a solution for a problem that should not really happen in the first place. To find the best/correct solution for a problem, it should be properly investigated first. So, it is a fact that in the transition between the full model and the 3d tree lod, the tree tends to "flicker" color-wise, visually. I found that darkening the tree LODs in many cases hide the flicker very well (maybe it's because tree LODs do not have shadows and darkening them simulates the presence of a shadow? I don't know...) But the problem is that if I edit the crownbrightness ini setting, than ALL the tree LODs darken, and in certain cases, for certain trees, the flickering is made WORSE by that. So how can I darken the tree LODs only for the trees for which the transitioning between full model and LOD is made almost seamless by darkening the LODs? I tried toying with the "Direct", "Ambient", "Left Right", "Front Back", "Top Bottom" settings in TexGen and then keeping only the textures for the trees I am interested to, but to no avail... Edited May 25 by Abbot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheson Posted May 25 Author Share Posted May 25 19 minutes ago, Abbot said: So, it is a fact that in the transition between the full model and the 3d tree lod, the tree tends to "flicker" color-wise, visually. I found that darkening the tree LODs in many cases hide the flicker very well (maybe it's because tree LODs do not have shadows and darkening them simulates the presence of a shadow? I don't know...) But the problem is that if I edit the crownbrightness ini setting, than ALL the tree LODs darken, and in certain cases, for certain trees, the flickering is made WORSE by that. So how can I darken the tree LODs only for the trees for which the transitioning between full model and LOD is made almost seamless by darkening the LODs? I tried toying with the "Direct", "Ambient", "Left Right", "Front Back", "Top Bottom" settings in TexGen and then keeping only the textures for the trees I am interested to, but to no avail... If you have shadows extend so far that they cover full model trees while they switch between full and LOD model, then I suggest to use ENB distant shadows or Screen-Space Shadows so that LOD also has shadows. And/Or consider flagging trees as large references so the switch happens further away. Changing settings in TexGen is usually not going to affect any crowns of 3D tree LOD models, since they typically do not use textures generated/updated by TexGen. In particular, the crowns do not use rendered LOD billboards. As already explained, update/change the LOD assets. Typically darken the vertex colors of the crown in the 3D LOD model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abbot Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 4 hours ago, sheson said: If you have shadows extend so far that they cover full model trees while they switch between full and LOD model, then I suggest to use ENB distant shadows or Screen-Space Shadows so that LOD also has shadows. And/Or consider flagging trees as large references so the switch happens further away. Changing settings in TexGen is usually not going to affect any crowns of 3D tree LOD models, since they typically do not use textures generated/updated by TexGen. In particular, the crowns do not use rendered LOD billboards. As already explained, update/change the LOD assets. Typically darken the vertex colors of the crown in the 3D LOD model. Thanks! But how do I flag trees as large references? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheson Posted May 25 Author Share Posted May 25 1 hour ago, Abbot said: Thanks! But how do I flag trees as large references? Use DynDOLOD DLL NG and Scripts https://dyndolod.info/Help/Large-Reference-Bugs-Workarounds#Settings In case Ultra is checked to generate ultra tree LOD, the Large checkbox can be checked to make the full model trees large references - if they are added by ESM flagged plugins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abbot Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 (edited) 4 hours ago, sheson said: Use DynDOLOD DLL NG and Scripts https://dyndolod.info/Help/Large-Reference-Bugs-Workarounds#Settings In case Ultra is checked to generate ultra tree LOD, the Large checkbox can be checked to make the full model trees large references - if they are added by ESM flagged plugins. What are the requirements for the Large checkbox, besides installing DynDOLOD DLL NG and Scripts and letting it override DynDOLOD Resources? The checkbox is greyed out for me... Do I need to re-run TexGen after installing the DLL? That, I didn't do it (yet)... Sorry, didn't check the large reference workaround checkbox, my bad. Edited May 25 by Abbot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PegasusKoga Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 I could not add a disclaimer in the title without making it too long so i'll say it here as a preface. This is in no way Dyndolod's fault. I might have messed up things mightily by finalizing my load order, running Dyndolod and then making the stupid mistake of still adding a new mod to the mix (Glowtastic). But my meddling is probably the cause of the crash i experienced today when trying to enter Windhelm and the repeatable CTD i had when approaching Karthwasten (which i have no proof of because i was not using a Crash Logger at that time). I'm not even sure of the latter because while consistent they do not happen each time i get near Karthwasten. I only have a few simple questions before i take it from here. Did i make a mess of Occlusion.esp by adding Glowtastic above it and so changing it's position in my load order? Even though the mod contains no cell or worldspace records, only spells? How far would i need to go if i wanted to update just Occlusion.esp to test if that makes the crashes go away? Clean save method? Starting the whole XlodGen and Dyndolod process from scratch? This is probably not worth it's own thread but i only have two hours left before sleep and i wanted to get this screw up fixed before that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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