non-issue Creating Mod Topics

z929669 · December 2, 2021

Is there an easier way to create forum mod topics?

z929669 · December 4, 2021

Discussion topic:
My Mod by Me
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YES, we now have a tool in the editor to do this:

DoubleYou · December 2, 2021

I'd remove the "(s)" from PasteAuthor(s)...

Discussion topic:
PasteModNameAndURL by PasteAuthors
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In this way, I can just double-click PasteAuthors in order to select it so I can paste the real author(s).

Also note that the bold text gets stripped when I follow the instructions.

Greg · December 2, 2021

Discussion topic:
PasteModNameAndURL by PasteAuthor(s)
(update)Wiki Link

It looks as if bold text pasted just fine.

DoubleYou · December 2, 2021

Discussion topic:
PasteModNameAndURL by PasteAuthor(s)
(update)Wiki Link

test

Don't know why it doesn't for me then. Strange.

z929669 · December 2, 2021

26 minutes ago, DoubleYou said:

Discussion topic:
PasteModNameAndURL by PasteAuthor(s)
(update)Wiki Link

test

Don't know why it doesn't for me then. Strange.

Just copy without going into edit mode. Looks like you are also getting the background, which isn't good.

Test with quote from Greg's:

43 minutes ago, Greg said:

Discussion topic:
PasteModNameAndURL by PasteAuthor(s)
(update)Wiki Link

It looks as if bold text pasted just fine.

Yep, that's nice.

Test copy from edit mode:

Discussion topic:
PasteModNameAndURL by PasteAuthor
Wiki Link

Hmmm, what browser are you guys using? I am using Waterfox (FF variant) without issue.

DoubleYou · December 3, 2021

I'm using Chrome. I didn't enter Source edit mode at all. Just copied and pasted.

Greg · December 3, 2021

Discussion topic:
PasteModNameAndURL by PasteAuthor
Wiki Link

I went into Edit mode, copied the text, then pasted it here.

I'm using Firefox.

z929669 · December 3, 2021

18 hours ago, DoubleYou said:

I'm using Chrome. I didn't enter Source edit mode at all. Just copied and pasted.

I meant just the plain edit mode. No diff either way under FF. I'm guessing this is Chrome 'creep'. That browser always did annoy me but for the dev tools. FF has gotten a lot better in that regard. I think it's safe to assume most people use Chrome though (wagon riders!), so I will add the styling to the HTML and you can retest.

EDIT: well, the font-weight style is already in there, duh. Somehow, you Chrome is stripping it:

Greg:

<p>
    <span style="font-size:14px; font-weight:bold;">Discussion topic:</span><br>
    <span style="font-size:24px; font-weight:bold;"><a data-ipb="nomediaparse" href="https://www.nexusmods.com/URL" rel="external nofollow" target="_blank">PasteModNameAndURL</a></span><span style="font-size:14px;"> by PasteAuthor(s)</span><br>
    <span style="font-size:18px;"><a data-ipb="nomediaparse" href="https://stepmodifications.org/wiki/SkyrimSE:MODNAME" rel="" target="_blank">(update)Wiki Link</a></span>
</p>

<hr>
<p>
     
</p>

Mine:

<p>
    <span style="font-size:14px; font-weight:bold;">Discussion topic:</span><br>
    <span style="font-size:24px; font-weight:bold;"><a data-ipb="nomediaparse" href="https://www.nexusmods.com/URL" rel="external nofollow">PasteModNameAndURL</a></span><span style="font-size:14px;"> by PasteAuthor</span><br>
    <span style="font-size:18px;"><a data-ipb="nomediaparse" href="https://stepmodifications.org/wiki/SkyrimSE:MODNAME" rel="" target="_blank">Wiki Link</a></span>
</p>

<hr>
<p>
     
</p>

DY:

<p style="background-color:#2e343d; color:#aaaaaa; font-size:14px; text-align:start">
    <span style="font-size:14px">Discussion topic:</span><br>
    <span style="font-size:24px"><a data-ipb="nomediaparse" href="https://www.nexusmods.com/URL" rel="external nofollow" style="background-color:transparent; color:#80aacf" target="_blank">PasteModNameAndURL</a></span><span style="font-size:14px"><span> </span>by PasteAuthor(s)</span><br>
    <span style="font-size:18px"><a data-ipb="nomediaparse" href="https://stepmodifications.org/wiki/SkyrimSE:MODNAME" rel="" style="background-color:transparent; color:#80aacf" target="_blank">(update)Wiki Link</a></span>
</p>

<hr style="background-color:#2e343d; border-style:solid; border-width:2px; color:#888888; font-size:14px; text-align:start">
<p style="background-color:#2e343d; color:#aaaaaa; font-size:14px; text-align:start">
     
</p>

So Chrome is hacking the crap out of the HTML via WYSIWYG copy. Maybe it's some custom styling or a plugin you have forgotten about? Otherwise, it's some Chrome setting. Google is acting more and more like MS if that's the case.

I think Tech uses Chrome too, but he didn't have this issue when he demonstrated this idea on the other topic:

EDIT: Tech mediated with a text editor, so this is NOT a rich-text copy/paste

<p>
	<span style="font-size:14px; font-weight:bold;">Discussion topic:</span><br>
	<span style="font-size:24px; font-weight:bold;"><a data-ipb="nomediaparse" href="https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/NexusID" rel="external nofollow">MODNAME</a></span><span style="font-size:14px;"> by AUTHOR</span><br>
	<span style="font-size:18px;"><a data-ipb="nomediaparse" href="https://stepmodifications.org/wiki/SkyrimSE:MODNAME" rel="" target="_blank">Wiki Link</a></span>
</p>

<hr>
<p>
	&nbsp;
</p>

TechAngel85 · December 3, 2021

Discussion topic:
PasteModNameAndURL by PasteAuthor
Wiki Link

Nope, Chrome is stripping it on paste for some reason. I pasted it into a text editor just fine so it has something to do with the pasting of rich text on Chrome.

EDIT:
Edge doesn't work either, so it's probably a Chromium thing.

TechAngel85 · December 3, 2021

15 hours ago, z929669 said:

I'm guessing this is Chrome 'creep'. That browser always did annoy me but for the dev tools. FF has gotten a lot better in that regard. I think it's safe to assume most people use Chrome though (wagon riders!), so I will add the styling to the HTML and you can retest.

I switched to Chrome a while back when for reasons I can't remember now. However, the fact that's it's the most used browser, we should be designing for it first. The fact that you're not using for design work is the oddball out so time to hope on that wagon! :tongue: That's one reason I've kept it and the reason I brought up the fuzz fonts on the wiki. If I'm seeing it, the majority of others are too :whistling: :

(our analytics of users by browser)

z929669 · December 3, 2021

2 hours ago, TechAngel85 said:

Discussion topic:
PasteModNameAndURL by PasteAuthor
Wiki Link

Nope, Chrome is stripping it on paste for some reason. I pasted it into a text editor just fine so it has something to do with the pasting of rich text on Chrome.

EDIT:
Edge doesn't work either, so it's probably a Chromium thing.

Yes, Chrome hoses everything. Just look at the quote above. It strips bold and ADDs background. Horrible.

So if you first paste as plain text in text editor and then re-copy/paste from that, all is good?

If you could research and find the Chrome setting that is responsible, that would be wonderful. Then we can add this tweak to the instructions.

I do test with Chrome as secondary, but I do all primary development under FF ... and this is why. Chrome is definitely inserting itself where it isn't wanted based on invalid assumptions (just like MS browsers).

TechAngel85 · December 3, 2021

36 minutes ago, z929669 said:

Yes, Chrome hoses everything. Just look at the quote above. It strips bold and ADDs background. Horrible.

So if you first paste as plain text in text editor and then re-copy/paste from that, all is good?

If you could research and find the Chrome setting that is responsible, that would be wonderful. Then we can add this tweak to the instructions.

I do test with Chrome as secondary, but I do all primary development under FF ... and this is why. Chrome is definitely inserting itself where it isn't wanted based on invalid assumptions (just like MS browsers).

I've seen some people posting of the same issue here and there with other editors, but no solutions. I've looked around on the back-end and haven't found anything related. Honestly, my instinct tells me this is something more internal and would need to be reported as a bug, but I doubt they see it as a bug (the bold not copying maybe, but not the background copying). It's a deep copy they're doing. Found this from 2010, so it's been copying the background for 10+ years:
https://ckeditor.com/old/forums/Support/Copypasting-issues.-Dont-want-copy-background-coloretc

z929669 · December 3, 2021

21 minutes ago, TechAngel85 said:

I've seen some people posting of the same issue here and there with other editors, but no solutions. I've looked around on the back-end and haven't found anything related. Honestly, my instinct tells me this is something more internal and would need to be reported as a bug, but I doubt they see it as a bug (the bold not copying maybe, but not the background copying). It's a deep copy they're doing. Found this from 2010, so it's been copying the background for 10+ years:
https://ckeditor.com/old/forums/Support/Copypasting-issues.-Dont-want-copy-background-coloretc

Terrible 'standard' they are trying to set. Invalid assumption to bring some styling but not all. Copying text should copy all text and layout styling but not anything else. Just copy, not 'deep' copy.

z929669 · December 3, 2021

I just found something. Go into incognito mode in Chrome, and try copy/paste that way to see if it grabs the background.

TechAngel85 · December 3, 2021

Incognito Test:

Discussion topic:
PasteModNameAndURL by PasteAuthor
Wiki Link

5 minutes ago, TechAngel85 said:

Incognito Test:

Discussion topic:
PasteModNameAndURL by PasteAuthor
Wiki Link

Test complete.

1 hour ago, z929669 said:

I just found something. Go into incognito mode in Chrome, and try copy/paste that way to see if it grabs the background.

Still grabbed background

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