Help required - xEdit showing errors in many core mods

[dunc001]

Good afternoon all.  I am putting this up as a fresh forum post in the hope that some far more experienced than me can point me in the right direction.

 

I have an enormous build based off SR:LE and SR:LE Extended which for the past two months I have been adding to.  Unmerged it contains a total of just short of 580 plugins.  My load order now contains 49 merges which reduce the load order before bashed patch/DynDOLOD/DSR/ASIS to 246 (excluding the lvl list patches which bashed patch will remove). Every one of the merges has been individually CR'd, all scripts contained in merged mods checked to ensure there are no 'GetFormIDFromFile' calls on .esp files being merged and so on.  This has been an exhaustive process and I am pretty confident that the merges are all good and are not the cause of these errors.

 

None of the plugins showing below as containing errors relies on anything in any of the merges, and I have been very careful not to include in the merges any masters unless all dependents are also contained within the same merge.  So I can also pretty confidently say that none of the errors are being caused by renumbering of any of the IDs within the merges. 

 

So having got the load order to within the limit and updated everything which needed it I am about to embark on the CR for the full build.  I am intending to run through everything in the SR:LE CR followed by the SR:LEX CR and then go through each of the non-core/extended plugins and CR them (all of this into one CR plugin).  In preparation for starting this I reran LOOT on last time an decided to load everything up into xEdit and do some final housekeeping.  With the entire build loaded I selected everything and ran 'Check for Errors' and that's when the SHTF!  xEdit returned errors in a total of 39 plugins, only two of which are minor issues in two of my merges.  Many of the other plugins are core mods.  These are the plugins showing errors:

 

Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp

Nock2Tip.esm

ORS_MorthalPain.esm

SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esm

Cutting Room Floor.esp

Rigmor.esp

3DNPC.esp

iWil_UselessShopOverhaul.esp

Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp

Civil War Overhaul.esp

WetandCold.esp

RealisticRoomRental.esp

Valerica.esp

LostGrimoire.esp

LandLord_.esp

Helgen Reborn.esp

MoonAndStar_MAS.esp

Undeath.esp

Basnpc.esp

Skyrim Unbound.esp

Hebrock_Der Schatten von Meresis - EV.esp

The Haven From The Cold And Dark.esp

EFFDialogue.esp

Dynamic Dialogue Followers.esp

Inigo.esp

quest_nomercy.esp

arnima.esp

Nock2Tip.esp

quest_seaofghosts.esp

ForgottenCity.esp

quest_pitfighter.esp

Snowbound Acres.esp

BlackreachRailroadNew.esp

MzarkWonders.esp

summersetisles.esp

Dragon Combat Overhaul.esp

CACO_Immersive_Creatures_Patch_ lvl_list.esp

 

It should be noted that none of these plugins have been tampered with, they are exactly as they were when I downloaded and installed them through MO.

 

I have uploaded the xEdit errors to pastebin here

 

I am looking for any advice or words of wisdom you can offer as to how best to go about addressing these errors, which if any of them can be ignored, whether there are any general rules about how to go about fixing each of the different types of error.

 

I will upload my mod list and load order to ModWatch this evening.

 

Many thanks for taking the time to read and I hope someone out there can help!

Edited June 23, 2016 by dunc001

[Astakos]

OK, so having scoured through 16500 lines of log text from xEdit loading the plugins in I came across these three warning lines relating to one of the merges:

[00:08] Background Loader: Warning: Record [LAND:020105F4] in file Dragonborn.esm is being overridden by record [ARMO:030105F4] in file Animal Companions and Mounts.esp.
[00:08] Background Loader: Warning: Record [LAND:020105F6] in file Dragonborn.esm is being overridden by record [BPTD:030105F6] in file Animal Companions and Mounts.esp.
[00:08] Background Loader: Warning: Record [LAND:020105F5] in file Dragonborn.esm is being overridden by record [ARMA:030105F5] in file Animal Companions and Mounts.esp.

They all relate to records from the f'ing Dovahbear companion mod which Neo goaded me into including which I had to shoehorn into an existing merge.  I am guessing that Merge Plugins has renumbered something which has then led to these errors when they've been injected back into Dragonborn.esm.  Could these three errors be causing a cascade effect through the entire load which is resulting in so many errors in so many plugins?

This does not look good Dunc. Obviously the references are all mixed up since same FormIDs are used for different assets.

How exactly did you "shoehorn" Dovahbear (God...you really like this mod?  )  into an existing merge?

You know that this is not the recommended procedure...

[dunc001]

This does not look good Dunc. Obviously the references are all mixed up since same FormIDs are used for different assets.

How exactly did you "shoehorn" Dovahbear (God...you really like this mod?  )  into an existing merge?

You know that this is not the recommended procedure...

Sorry, excuse my incorrect terminology.  I did actually delete the original Animal Companions and Mounts merge completely and rebuild it from scratch with the offending bear included.  I can't confirm my assumption as I'm in the office right now but when I get home I'll check the merge plugins map.txt on that merge and I'll be surprised if I don't find renumbering on the Dovahbear FormIDs.  I'll also test the theory by loading everything EXCEPT that merged plugin in to xEdit and checking for errors again.  If they all magically disappear then I have my culprit...

 

And no, I'm not that partial to the mod but as you know Neo made me do it :P  If it turns out that this is the cause, then the chicken and the rabbit get to stay and play but I'm kicking the bear out and I'm going to make it my mission to annihilate every last bear in Tamriel!

Edited June 24, 2016 by dunc001

[Astakos]

Have you individually checked the Dovahbear mod for errors?

[dunc001]

Yes, MP runs the check for errors before it can be included in any merge.

[Astakos]

Can you tell me which mods are in this merge and in what order you merged the plugins?

 

If i find time tonight I might download them just to see what is wrong...oh boy!! I can't believe I just said that!! Downloading Dovhbear and chickens!!!   

[dunc001]

Damn, it's not the bear. With that merge not loaded up in still getting the same errors reported within the same plugins as before so it's something else. Any suggestions as to how I proceed from here to track down the cause?

[Astakos]

Dunc I am a bit lost as to which plugins you are loading each time you come with an error or warning message.

Your entire load order? A partial one?

 

For example the warning messages that you have attached above show that Dragonborn.esm has a loading index of 02...how come? You were not loading Dawnguard.esm and Hearthfire.esm?

 

It is a bit confusing...therefore, can u pls load you entire order, check for errors and upload in pastebin those errors together with your entire load order?

 

If you check all these plugins with errors individually, do these errors still occur?

Have you checked if any of these error-plugins needs cleaning?

Edited June 24, 2016 by Astakos

[Nebulous112]

Astakos knows more about this than I do, but I just wanted to add a suggestion that you can try to re-download the mod(s) that are causing errors if all else fails. It is possible that the mod(s) got corrupted during download, if you were downloading with MO and an antivirus scan was running. Or if you were downloading more than one file at a time. Or just because the Nexus can act like crap on occasion. USLEEP for example should not have any errors (and does not when I just checked in xEdit).

[dunc001]

OK guys, so to answer your various questions - https://www.modwat.ch/u/dunc001

 

The errors are showing up when I load in the complete load order.  I also tried loading in without about half of the merged plugins and most of the errors were still there.  If I load only the main files and, for example, USLEEP and check it individually for errors there are none returned.  So something later in the load order is causing overwrites in USLEEP in this instance which are then reported as errors.  The question is how do I trace which plugin(s) is causing this without having to build up the load order in xEdit one plugin at a time which will take forever.

 

I have tried redownloading a sample of the mods but that makes no difference and as just stated when checked individually they show no errors.

 

The pastebin link in the OP is the error report with the full load order loaded up in xEdit, the load order being that shown on my modwat.ch

 

All plugins with ITMs have been cleaned unless the mod page specifically states not to.

Edited June 24, 2016 by dunc001

[dunc001]

So if I load up the entire load order minus ALL of my merges including the ones specified in SRLE & SRLEX I am still getting errors.  That's with nothing but 'virgin' esps loaded in.  Like this error in USLEEP for example:

 

 

When I then check the first cell/ID I find this:

 

 

Is it correct that ICW is removing the XTEL record?  Is this what the error is or am I looking in the wrong place?  Surely ICW can't be at fault here?

[Astakos]

Woww Dunc!! You really jumped into deep waters with that load order mate! 

 

Anyway...as I see you have not done any conflict resolution; which I believe with this mod list it will be massive.

There is a strong possibility that some of these errors appear because of non-resolved conflicting records.

 

First...ignore any errors that state "NAVM \ Record Header \ Record Flags -> <Unknown: 11>" . Nothing to worry about.

 

...but errors that state "REFR -> Record marked as deleted but contains: Base" needs attention as usually they are UDRs.

 

Now, take for example the USLEEP errors...well, we all know that there are no errors in USLEEP!! But perhaps there is a mod that comes after USLEEP and touches the same "quest" records as USLEEP ruining something. You need to take a look in xEdit to see which mod alters what that makes USLEEP complain.

 

I have checked all the plugins we have in common vs my entire load order and I can assure you that there are no errors present (i.e. EFF Dialogue, DFD, etc) and the ones that have "errors" they are either justified or false positives. But i do not have all the plugins you do, therefore I cannot be more concrete.

 

For example you can ignore the errors for Forgotten City. They are not game breaking but yes I agree they shouldn't be there. I had brought it up with the mod author back in time but he found no way to correct them. Well, they are removed script properties that can be easily deleted from the plugin...anyway!!  :O_o:

 

This is the main generalized strategy for nailing some of these errors.

Is it correct that ICW is removing the XTEL record?  Is this what the error is or am I looking in the wrong place?  Surely ICW can't be at fault here?

This is ok! These are he false positives I referred above. ICW is essentially deleting this teleport marker as it needs to create a new one.

 

Look at the Quest errors after the REF ones...which mod conflict with USLEEP and not filling the alias? This needs investigation...

[dunc001]

Excellent, this is what I was hoping was the case!  So basically, until I have done my full CR I should forget about checking for errors on the entire load order?

[Astakos]

For some of them yes.

 

For others I am pretty sure there is a faulty plugin(s) somewhere that when you check it individually for errors they will be shown.

This then needs addressing to the mod author.

[dunc001]

OK, I'll go through the errors first then and see if I find anything obvious. Thanks for the advice 

[baronaatista]

Hey sorry to necro an old thread, but I've been building/playing my own sort of improvised large modlist based on SRLE: LOTD, STEP and Dreadflopps Packs with bits of Explorers Guide... not on the scale of what Dunc was attempting here, but a pretty large list nonetheless.  

 

I just checked my own LO for errors as I've been experiencing some weird crashes on saving and load screens (doors, basically and not in a specific location).  Wound up with somewhat similar results.  Just a ton of errors in Skyrim.esm, a navmesh error in USLEEP, lots of tint layer errors in NPC's on various mods, a couple VMAD errors... etc.

 

When I pull up the record mentioned in the USLEEP error (000FC127), I find that its overwritten by first ICAIO + then 3DNPC.  However, oddly in that same cell is another navmesh that is also edited by USLEEP, ICAIO + 3DNPC (00FC11C) and it is not mentioned?

 

Sacrosanct pulls quest stage errors in Vanilla quests... checking the records, it just looks like Sacrosanct is editing vanilla quests... Not sure what to make of this?

 

I do realize the navmesh stuff with 3DNPC + ICAIO could be an issue?  I just have absolutely no idea how to resolve it, so that's one thing i've just decided that 3DNPC is likely more important to win that conflict so I load it last.

 

My load order, though it contains a number of merges so is likely not all that useful.

 

 

Skyrim.esm

Update.esm

Dawnguard.esm

HearthFires.esm

Dragonborn.esm

Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp

Campfire.esm

EFFCore.esm

Falskaar.esm

ImCh.esm

Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm

notice board.esp

Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm

UnlimitedBookshelves.esp

WM Flora Fixes.esp

FISS.esp

UIExtensions.esp

Appropriately Attired Jarls Redux.esp

Auto Unequip Ammo.esp

Dead Body Collision.esp

InvisEyeFixes.esp

dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp

EasyWheel.esp

Extended UI.esp

RaceMenu.esp

SkyUI.esp

AMatterOfTime.esp

GoOnAhead.esp

iHUD.esp

LessIntrusiveHUD.esp

Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp

AHZmoreHUD.esp

Atlas Legendary.esp

Atlas Compass Tweaks.esp

DynDOLOD Tweaks Merged.esp

SMIM-Merged-All.esp

Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

Alternate Start -- New Beginnings.esp

ESFCompanions.esp

BetterQuestObjectives.esp

Cutting Room Floor.esp

hearthfireextended.esp

NotSoFast-MainQuest.esp

NotSoFast-MageGuild.esp

Thieves Guild Requirements.esp

TheChoiceIsYours.esp

The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp

TimingIsEverything.esp

ADS.esp

AOS.esp

IHSS.esp

BFT Ships and Carriages.esp

Blowing in the Wind.esp

Brave New World Merged.esp

Bring Out Your Dead - Legendary Edition.esp

Farmhouse Chimneys Merged.esp

RiverwoodHuntingCabinSE.esp

UniqueBorderGates-All.esp

Weathered Road Signs.esp

Better Dynamic Snow.esp

BentPines_for_SFO2.0.esp

Moss Rocks.esp

Natural Improvements Merged.esp

NSUTR Merged.esp

Realistic Boat Bobbing.esp

SRG Enhanced Trees Activator.esp

Enhanced Landscapes Oaks Standalone.esp

Enhanced Landscapes Standalone Marsh Pines.esp

Spice of Life Merged.esp

ORM-Arvak.esp

dD-No Spinning Death Animation Merged.esp

FNIS.esp

XPMSE.esp

Fearful Symmetry Merged.esp

WSCO Merged.esp

Dual Sheath Redux.esp

VioLens.esp

Little Bits Merged.esp

Book Covers Skyrim.esp

Book Covers Skyrim - Lost Library.esp

SkyrimCoinReplacerRedux.esp

LootandDegradation.esp

TradeBarter.esp

TradeRoutes.esp

Toil and Trouble Merged.esp

Mothers&Daughters.esp

SPTConsistentOlderPeople.esp

DIVERSE SKYRIM.esp

Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp

Immersive Horses.esp

Immersive Patrols II.esp

DIVERSE SKYRIM - Immersive Patrols Patch.esp

NPCWaterAIScripted.esp

WetandCold.esp

WetandCold - Ashes.esp

Craftable Horse Barding.esp

Daedric Glowing Horse Barding.esp

Faction Crossbows.esp

DawnguardArsenal.esp

Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp

Lore Weapon Expansion.esp

WarmongerArmory_Vanilla.esp

WarmongerArmory_DLC.esp

WarmongerArmory_LeveledList.esp

Chesko_WearableLantern.esp

Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

GuardAnimationsGDO.esp

Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp

EFFDialogue.esp

TMBVanillaArmorandClothes.esp

Unique Uniques.esp

Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp

Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp

Saeri_AetherialCrown.esp

ExplosiveBoltsVisualized.esp

imp_helm_legend.esp

StormcloakArmorRevival_GuardFix.esp

Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp

PrinceandPauper.esp

MLU.esp

aMidianBorn_ContentAddon.esp

CampfireKExt.esp

Frostfall.esp

Higher Difficulty.esp

Hunterborn.esp

iNeed.esp

iNeed - Dangerous Diseases.esp

iNeedCampCraftWaterskin.esp

SOT-Sleeping.esp

Tentapalooza.esp

Vigor - Combat and Injuries.esp

Vigor - Movement Tweaks.esp

You Hunger.esp

Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp

Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp

Skyrim Immersive Creatures - Patch.esp

High Level Enemies - SIC.esp

High Level Enemies - SIC Falskaar.esp

HLE_SIC_CCOR_lvl list.esp

OBIS.esp

OBISDB.esp

AAE Ultimate Edition.esp

Animal Tweaks.esp

ASIS-Dependency.esp

DeadlyDragons.esp

DiverseDragonsCollection3.esp

DDC3-DD patch.esp

NARC Merged.esp

No Dragon LODs v2 full.esp

Disparity.esp

Dragon Soul Relinquishment.esp

Brevi_MoonlightTalesEssentials.esp

Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp

Thief skills rebalance for Ordinator.esp

Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp

Wintermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp

Wintermyst - LootandDegradation.esp

Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp

Vigor MT - Apocalypse Longstride Patch.esp

Complete Alchemy & Cooking Overhaul.esp

Sacrosanct - Vampires of Skyrim.esp

3DNPC.esp

Dwemertech - Magic of the Dwarves.esp

Unofficial Falskaar Patch.esp

Falskaar Wildlife.esp

ForgottenCity.esp

Helgen Reborn.esp

Magic of the Magna-Ge.esp

Falskaar - Notice Board.esp

Spectraverse - Only After Dragon Rising.esp

WheelsOfLull.esp

Vivid Weathers.esp

EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

ELFX - Exteriors.esp

mintylightningmod.esp

RelightingSkyrim-FULL.esp

WondersofWeather.esp

HFE-CRF-Patch.esp

RealisticWaterTwo.esp

RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp

RealisticWaterTwo - Falskaar.esp

RBB - Realistic Water Two.esp

PWwaterfall.esp

Blacksmith Forge Water Fix.esp

Skysan_ENBHorseTrough.esp

3DNPC Patches Merged.esp

AAE Patches Merged.esp

Blowing in the Wind Patches Merged.esp

CACO Patches Merged.esp

Even Better Quest Objectives Patches Merged.esp

Hunterborn Patches Merged.esp

Law and Order Merged.esp

MLU Patches Merged.esp

RDO Patches Merged.esp

TradeRoutes-HelgenReborn-Patch.esp

Vivid Weathers Patches Merged.esp

ELE_Legendary_Lite.esp

Scarcity - Less Loot Mod.esp

Scarcity - 2x Merchant Item Rarity.esp

Scarcity - 8x Loot Rarity.esp

Eternal Skyrim.esp

Eternal Skyrim Bashed.esp

TME.esp

 

*oh and I've already checked, I am using the latest version of xEdit (3.2) ;)

Edited September 23, 2017 by baronaatista