divstator Posted September 16, 2012 Posted September 16, 2012 @rpsgc UDR=UnDeleteRecords (Skyrim likes it's stuff to be there) and ITM=Identical To Masters (which basically means "copies") @frihyland I played with TES5DUMP a little bit, I understand what it spits out, but after that it might as well be a foreign language. I don't know how all the 4 letter words ;) relate to the records. I mean I understand the data structure, but I don't know what the records do to the game. Not without TES5EDIT anyways. Maybe I just need to work with it more.
Neovalen Posted September 16, 2012 Posted September 16, 2012 What exactly is the problem with BFSEffects? The esp isn't showing errors in Wrye so it must be something else?
frihyland Posted September 16, 2012 Posted September 16, 2012 wb only checks for 1 error type, edit checks for several hundred.
Besidilo Posted September 16, 2012 Posted September 16, 2012 wb only checks for 1 error type' date=' edit checks for several hundred.[/quote']Are you sure that's correct? WB seems to be reporting the following:ACHRDELTNAVMREFRIt also says:This is a report of records that were detected as either Identical To Master (ITM) or a deleted reference (UDR). Not saying that you're wrong, but this does seem like a broader spectrum.
frihyland Posted September 17, 2012 Posted September 17, 2012 Ok so WB checks for 2 error types among 4 record types, that's fair. Thanks for the correction. Anyway it will be updated to support most of the records types soon enough. Edit checks... more, check the UESP for all the different record types and I don't even know all the errors edit is checking for.
Neovalen Posted September 18, 2012 Posted September 18, 2012 Will the new TES5Edit have the capability to fix some of these issues with the mods? I think the old versions did. I'm not sure what the BFSEffects issues are, but that mod author is pretty good at fixing them if you let him know what they are.
frihyland Posted September 18, 2012 Posted September 18, 2012 That is the plan, no eta on a release though. They are dealing with legal and technical issues still.
frihyland Posted September 20, 2012 Posted September 20, 2012 I have cleaned all the files with errors using gecko beta 1.0 with no results. Gecko only cleans ITM errors at the moment, when it supports UDR I will try again. Some of the errors are either human error or data loss from TESVSnip: Burn Freeze Shock Effects, Better Quest Objectives, and Soul Gems Differ fall into this category. These will probably not be fixable by any automated cleaner. Some of the errors are just minor warnings and can be ignored safely: Live Another Life, More Dynamic Shadows, and iHUD. The rest are all contain UDR's that should be mostly cleanable by next version of Gecko, some UDR's are more complex than others so it may take a while for Gecko to fully fix all record types.
TheCompiler Posted September 20, 2012 Posted September 20, 2012 Here is my results after running STEP through TES5Edit, this test does not check logic, version, or compatibility! Just that the file itself is a good foundation for those other things. Don't panic, this is not impending disaster or anything, just that some of these are not good choices for STEP going forward and you should know what we found.  This is generally not the kind of errors that are gonna cause save corruptions (unless more than a couple hundred errors) more likely its sucking performance and stability.  Also on error numbers, be aware that a single problem can cause multiple unique errors. What we are dealing with at the base of Jenga pile.  Seems like a lot at first glance, but considering there have probably been upwards of a million edits each by dozens of developers using dozens of different CK versions its actually not too bad.Vanilla-You have to use these :P 2152 Skyrim7    Update Here are the worst offenders, #1 is the worst mod tested with 2872 errors and the rest are in order of structural errors.This is the do not use list. 2872 Creepy Dungeons2459 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Hardcore247  BFSEffects72   SkyrimCoinReplacer25   morevillageanimals25   BetterQuestObjectives Here are the 2nd tier of offenders, #1 has 14 errors and the rest are in order of structural errors.This is the strong warning against use list. 14 AIMP - Antz in my Pantz13 Birds9  YngolBarrowButtonFix8  RabbitsPlus Here are the 3rd tier of offenders, #1 has 6 errors and the rest are in order of structural errors.This is the not recommended until fixed list. 6 Soul Gems Differ - NW - G6 Soul Gems Differ - G6 Soul Gems Differ - NW - J6 Soul Gems Differ - J6 Soul Gems Differ - NW - E6 Soul Gems Differ - E6 Soul Gems Differ - NWS - G6 Soul Gems Differ - NS - G6 Soul Gems Differ - NWS - F6 Soul Gems Differ - NS - F6 Soul Gems Differ - NW - F6 Soul Gems Differ - F3 Babette3 More Dynamic Shadows Here are the winners in the pass fail test - no errors found in any of these.This is the safe to use list. Animated Weapon EnchantsArs Metallica - DawnguardArs MetallicaAuto Unequip ArrowsBarbasLessAnnoyingBetter Dynamic SnowBetter Skill and Quest Books NamesBlacksmithforge water fixBLESSINGS - Altar DescriptionsBlockSparklesBrawl Bugs CEbrawlbug-pluginBring Out Your DeadBWSCartographers Map MarkersChesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreensChesko_WearableLanternChesko_WearableLantern_GuardsClamsDropPearlsClimatesOfTamrielClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons&InteriorsClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-HazardousClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-ColdClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-WarmClimatesOfTamriel-VanillaNights-Lvl-1ClimatesOfTamriel-VanillaNights-Lvl-2ClimatesOfTamriel-VanillaNights-Lvl-3Convenient HorsesdbmiscdD - Enhanced Blood MaindD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - ReduceddD-No Spinning Death AnimationdD-No Twitching Dragon Death AnimationDeadlySpellImpacts - Two FireDeadlySpellImpactsDeath Cam Duration OptionsDistant DetailDungeonQuestAwarenessdynamic firesElemental StavesFollower Trap SafetyFSS-No pause between linesFSS-Slight pause between linesFurther Dark Dungeons for ENBGildergreen RegrowniHUDImproved Combat Sounds v2.1invinciblehawkfixLanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Climates of Tamriel - defaultLanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Climates of Tamriel - lvl-1Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Climates of Tamriel - lvl-2Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Climates of Tamriel - lvl-3Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Mainmasser Size x0.5masser Size x0.6masser Size x0.7masser Size x0.8masser Size x0.9masser Size x1.1masser Size x1.2masser Size x1.3masser Size x1.4masser Size x1.5masser Size x2.0masser Size x2.5masser Size x3.0More Interactive ItemsMore Salt PleaseMore Visible Soul Trap EffectmoveitLWTNonEssentialChildsPilgrimsDelightRadiant and Unique Potions Poisons and BoozeReadItRealistic crime report radiusRemoveAmbientInteriorFogRevampedExteriorFogRooster At Dawn v1.0secunda Size x0.5secunda Size x0.6secunda Size x0.7secunda Size x0.8secunda Size x0.9secunda Size x1.1secunda Size x1.2secunda Size x1.3secunda Size x1.4secunda Size x1.5secunda Size x2.0secunda Size x2.5secunda Size x3.0Skyrim Flora OverhaulSkyrimChimneysRWSlightly Reduced Distance NPC GreetingsSMDropLitTorchSoul Gems Differ - NS - ESoul Gems Differ - NS - JSoul Gems Differ - NWS - ESoul Gems Differ - NWS - JStaticMeshImprovementModstepThe Paarthurnax DilemmaTheEyesOfBeautyUnofficial Dawnguard PatchUnofficial Skyrim PatchWarmer Magic Lights v2 - BigWATER - Get WetWATERWaterbreathing Breathless Emerge Really glad you was able to check this. SOme of the worst offenders were already in my "to-remove" list, i somehow sensed they were offenders :P I got tons of suggestions for STEP 2.3 and the new scenario we will have with new tools like Gecko and tes5edit is enthrilling indeed ;) EDIT: also, what is the "step" esp file? O.o
frihyland Posted September 20, 2012 Posted September 20, 2012 LOL, thats the directory dump, it added itself to the list.
Neovalen Posted September 21, 2012 Posted September 21, 2012 So whats the deal with BFSEffects? With that many structural errors my only thought is he might have used TESVSnip? I'd like to give the author a chance to fix it but I don't know what the problem is to ask him. Upon a quick look in the CK, it loaded fine with no warning/errors. Did you try re-saving in the CK then checking if the errors went away? I'd check myself but I do not have the tool.
frihyland Posted September 21, 2012 Posted September 21, 2012 Well I haven't opened it in the CK yet so all I know is that all the errors have to do with condition checks that have a null value in a RACE record.
frihyland Posted September 21, 2012 Posted September 21, 2012 All Mod Authors have been notified of errors and given the error dumps to review.
Besidilo Posted September 21, 2012 Posted September 21, 2012 Go to any mod's page. Find this: Awesome work, love this mod. Endorsed. I just checked this mod with TESdump (command line ver of TES5Edit) and it shows a few errors you should know about.Smile when you see a foot long page of UDRs that the spoiler tag doesn't hide in the Comments of the mod.
frihyland Posted September 21, 2012 Posted September 21, 2012 Go to any mod's page. Find this: Awesome work, love this mod. Endorsed. I just checked this mod with TESdump (command line ver of TES5Edit) and it shows a few errors you should know about.Smile when you see a foot long page of UDRs that the spoiler tag doesn't hide in the Comments of the mod.You have to look at it through the forums, not the download site. It can't handle even the slightest formatting, so stupid. Â Looks gorgeous on the forum.
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