DynDOLOD 3.00 Alpha 182

[sheson]

39 minutes ago, Mousetick said:

I don't mean to intrude, but it looks like you may have forgot to attach it.

Thanks.

[ElCapitan8866]

Hello, I am trying to get "Seasonal Landscapes of Skyrim" to work with grass LOD using the workaround below, as I know the "No objects in grass" mod is currently not compatible with the "Seasons of Skyrim" framework. I have used Dyndolod in the past without issue (with the "Turn of the Seasons" mod however I had used a single grass cache then). I switched to "Seasonal Landscapes of Skyrim" as it offers different grasses per season, which I am trying to create grass LODs for. I followed the instructions here, https://dyndolod.info/Help/Seasons, specifically:

"After generating grass cache for a forced season, rename all *.CGID files to *.[SPR|SUM|AUT|WIN].CGID. For example on the Windows command prompt with rename *.cgid *.WIN.cgid before moving the files from the MO2 Overwrite folder to the mod folder that will contain all grass cache files. Repeat for every season. In the end there should be default grass cache files plus the grass caches for the 4 seasons."

Overall, I followed these steps (which I normally do when generating LODs without issue):

1. Installed "Seasonal Landscapes of Skyrim" and all its requirements
2. Generated grass cache for each season, forced through the "po3_SeasonsOfSkyrim.ini", not to sure about default cache, see below
3. Ran xLodGen to create Terrain LOD only (including all seasons and world spaces )
4. Ran TexGen with "HD Grass" enabled
5. Ran Dyndolod with "Grass LOD enabled, Mode 1, and all seasons and world spaces enabled

I understand you need 5 caches (4 seasons plus the default grass cache), but how do I go about generating the default grass cache with "Seasonal Landscapes of Skyrim", and thus the "Seasons of Skyrim" framework, active? Can I simply take on of the caches from any season and leave the file names unchanged so that it is read as the default? I did try that but when I ran Dyndolod (which did recognize all grass cache files and ran to completion successfully) I do not see any grass LOD in game at all, in addition to my Dyndolod output folder being a lot smaller than before (5 gb on this run vs 30 gb with a single grass cache with he "Turn of the Seasons" mod which produced grass LOD). 

Could you please help me identify where I am going wrong here, I am suspecting is that default grass cache. Thank you for your time!

[blueetenicolet]

11 hours ago, sheson said:

Very good! 

Download attached script and put it into the Edit Scripts folder of your SSEEdit installation.

Download the latest xLODGen terrain LOD beta from https://stepmodifications.org/forum/topic/13451-xlodgen-terrain-lod-beta-97-for-fnv-fo3-fo4-fo4vr-tes5-sse-tes5vr-enderal-enderalse/
Rename xLODGenx64.exe to SSEEditx64.exe and place it into the same folder as SSEEdit.exe.
Add SSEEditx64.exe to the MO2 executable dropdown and execute it from MO2.
Have it load all plugins as you would in the game.
Click the hamburger menu (3 lines) top left and select Options, General tab. Make sure Hide ignored and Hide "never shown" are not checked.

Mark all plugins in the left tree view. Right any plugin in the left tree view and select Apply Script to execute the attached script.

Once it completed, there should be a file LargeReferences.txt in the same folder that SSEEditx64.exe is in. Upload that file.

Skyrim SE - List Large References for Plugin.pas 3.39 kB · 0 downloads

txt here: Mega

And In the log of SSEEdit, it seems only read from some esm plugins, not all esm.

 

Spoiler

[00:00] Start: Applying script "Skyrim SE - List Large References for Plugin"
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm LabyrinthianMazeWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm WindhelmPitWorldspace
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm FrostmereCryptWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm KatariahWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm JaphetsFollyWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm AlftandWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm BrinewaterGrottoWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm EastEmpireWarehouse
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm WhiterunDragonsreachWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm CWSiegeTestWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm EldergleamSanctuaryWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm SolitudeWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm KarthspireRedoubtWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm BluePalaceWingWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm Sovngarde
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm DarkwaterWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm RedEagleRedoubtWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm ShadowgreenCavernWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm DeepwoodRedoubtWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm SkuldafnWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm FallowstoneCaveWorldStart
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm LabyrinthianWorld04
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm BlindCliffCaveWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm SouthfringeWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm FallowstoneCaveWorldEnd
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm BloatedMansGrottoWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm Blackreach
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm MossMotherCavernWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm LabyrinthianWorld03
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm LabyrinthianWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm CWTestHold
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm WhiterunWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm MarkarthWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm RiftenWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm WindhelmWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm Tamriel
    Reading Large Reference Data for Update.esm TestSnow
    Reading Large Reference Data for Update.esm SolitudeWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Update.esm WhiterunWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Update.esm Tamriel
    Reading Large Reference Data for Dawnguard.esm DLC1VampireCastleCourtyard
    Reading Large Reference Data for Dawnguard.esm DLC01Boneyard
    Reading Large Reference Data for Dawnguard.esm DLC1DarkfallPassageWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Dawnguard.esm DLC1AncestorsGladeWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Dawnguard.esm TestMeganWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Dawnguard.esm DLC1ForebearsHoldout
    Reading Large Reference Data for Dawnguard.esm DLC1HunterHQWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Dawnguard.esm DLC01SoulCairn
    Reading Large Reference Data for Dawnguard.esm DLC01FalmerValley
    Reading Large Reference Data for Dawnguard.esm Blackreach
    Reading Large Reference Data for Dawnguard.esm Tamriel
    Reading Large Reference Data for HearthFires.esm WindhelmWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for HearthFires.esm Tamriel
    Reading Large Reference Data for Dragonborn.esm DLC2ApocryphaWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Dragonborn.esm DLC2SolstheimWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Dragonborn.esm Tamriel
    Reading Large Reference Data for ccbgssse003-zombies.esl Tamriel
    Reading Large Reference Data for ccBGSSSE025-AdvDSGS.esm Tamriel
    Reading Large Reference Data for ccBGSSSE001-Fish.esm Tamriel
    Reading Large Reference Data for BetterDynamicAsh-DisableRefs.esm DLC2SolstheimWorld
[02:28] Done: Applying script "Skyrim SE - List Large References for Plugin", Processed Records: 2368175, Elapsed Time: 02:28

 

Edited January 5, 2023 by blueetenicolet

[sheson]

6 hours ago, ElCapitan8866 said:

Hello, I am trying to get "Seasonal Landscapes of Skyrim" to work with grass LOD using the workaround below, as I know the "No objects in grass" mod is currently not compatible with the "Seasons of Skyrim" framework. I have used Dyndolod in the past without issue (with the "Turn of the Seasons" mod however I had used a single grass cache then). I switched to "Seasonal Landscapes of Skyrim" as it offers different grasses per season, which I am trying to create grass LODs for. I followed the instructions here, https://dyndolod.info/Help/Seasons, specifically:

"After generating grass cache for a forced season, rename all *.CGID files to *.[SPR|SUM|AUT|WIN].CGID. For example on the Windows command prompt with rename *.cgid *.WIN.cgid before moving the files from the MO2 Overwrite folder to the mod folder that will contain all grass cache files. Repeat for every season. In the end there should be default grass cache files plus the grass caches for the 4 seasons."

Overall, I followed these steps (which I normally do when generating LODs without issue):

1. Installed "Seasonal Landscapes of Skyrim" and all its requirements
2. Generated grass cache for each season, forced through the "po3_SeasonsOfSkyrim.ini", not to sure about default cache, see below
3. Ran xLodGen to create Terrain LOD only (including all seasons and world spaces )
4. Ran TexGen with "HD Grass" enabled
5. Ran Dyndolod with "Grass LOD enabled, Mode 1, and all seasons and world spaces enabled

I understand you need 5 caches (4 seasons plus the default grass cache), but how do I go about generating the default grass cache with "Seasonal Landscapes of Skyrim", and thus the "Seasons of Skyrim" framework, active? Can I simply take on of the caches from any season and leave the file names unchanged so that it is read as the default? I did try that but when I ran Dyndolod (which did recognize all grass cache files and ran to completion successfully) I do not see any grass LOD in game at all, in addition to my Dyndolod output folder being a lot smaller than before (5 gb on this run vs 30 gb with a single grass cache with he "Turn of the Seasons" mod which produced grass LOD). 

Could you please help me identify where I am going wrong here, I am suspecting is that default grass cache. Thank you for your time!

Read the first post which log and debug log to upload when making posts.

Set the Season Type in po3_SeasonsOfSkyrim.ini accordingly to the list which should be above the setting.

;0 - disabled
;1 - permanent winter
;2 - permanent spring
;3 - permanent summer
;4 - permanent autumn

Set Season Type = 0 to generate the default grass cache.

See https://dyndolod.info/Help/Grass-LOD#No-Grass-LOD-Check-List

[sheson]

5 hours ago, blueetenicolet said:

txt here: Mega

And In the log of SSEEdit, it seems only read from some esm plugins, not all esm.

  Reveal hidden contents

[00:00] Start: Applying script "Skyrim SE - List Large References for Plugin"
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm LabyrinthianMazeWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm WindhelmPitWorldspace
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm FrostmereCryptWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm KatariahWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm JaphetsFollyWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm AlftandWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm BrinewaterGrottoWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm EastEmpireWarehouse
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm WhiterunDragonsreachWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm CWSiegeTestWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm EldergleamSanctuaryWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm SolitudeWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm KarthspireRedoubtWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm BluePalaceWingWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm Sovngarde
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm DarkwaterWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm RedEagleRedoubtWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm ShadowgreenCavernWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm DeepwoodRedoubtWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm SkuldafnWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm FallowstoneCaveWorldStart
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm LabyrinthianWorld04
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm BlindCliffCaveWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm SouthfringeWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm FallowstoneCaveWorldEnd
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm BloatedMansGrottoWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm Blackreach
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm MossMotherCavernWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm LabyrinthianWorld03
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm LabyrinthianWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm CWTestHold
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm WhiterunWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm MarkarthWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm RiftenWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm WindhelmWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Skyrim.esm Tamriel
    Reading Large Reference Data for Update.esm TestSnow
    Reading Large Reference Data for Update.esm SolitudeWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Update.esm WhiterunWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Update.esm Tamriel
    Reading Large Reference Data for Dawnguard.esm DLC1VampireCastleCourtyard
    Reading Large Reference Data for Dawnguard.esm DLC01Boneyard
    Reading Large Reference Data for Dawnguard.esm DLC1DarkfallPassageWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Dawnguard.esm DLC1AncestorsGladeWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Dawnguard.esm TestMeganWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Dawnguard.esm DLC1ForebearsHoldout
    Reading Large Reference Data for Dawnguard.esm DLC1HunterHQWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Dawnguard.esm DLC01SoulCairn
    Reading Large Reference Data for Dawnguard.esm DLC01FalmerValley
    Reading Large Reference Data for Dawnguard.esm Blackreach
    Reading Large Reference Data for Dawnguard.esm Tamriel
    Reading Large Reference Data for HearthFires.esm WindhelmWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for HearthFires.esm Tamriel
    Reading Large Reference Data for Dragonborn.esm DLC2ApocryphaWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Dragonborn.esm DLC2SolstheimWorld
    Reading Large Reference Data for Dragonborn.esm Tamriel
    Reading Large Reference Data for ccbgssse003-zombies.esl Tamriel
    Reading Large Reference Data for ccBGSSSE025-AdvDSGS.esm Tamriel
    Reading Large Reference Data for ccBGSSSE001-Fish.esm Tamriel
    Reading Large Reference Data for BetterDynamicAsh-DisableRefs.esm DLC2SolstheimWorld
[02:28] Done: Applying script "Skyrim SE - List Large References for Plugin", Processed Records: 2368175, Elapsed Time: 02:28

It only lists plugins and worldspaces that have large reference data.

Does the issue still happen if you disable EnhancedWetnessandPuddles.esp?

[blueetenicolet]

1 hour ago, sheson said:

It only lists plugins and worldspaces that have large reference data.

Does the issue still happen if you disable EnhancedWetnessandPuddles.esp?

Ur, that still happens

[blueetenicolet]

I remember being in a similar situation: I can't start the sence that Balgruf lead you to Farengar to talk about bleakfall. Balgruf should lead you to meet Farengar, but he do nothing after dialogue, finally i found it was a guard mod caused that. One guard is considered doesn't matter and was disabled by the author, but in fact he's one Alias in a quest, and it caused that quest cannot run, then caused the bleak fall quest broken.

Maybe this is the same? Some largeReference is Alias in some quest and was disabled by LargeReference workaround, so  caused other quest damaged?

[sheson]

42 minutes ago, blueetenicolet said:

I remember being in a similar situation: I can't start the sence that Balgruf lead you to Farengar to talk about bleakfall. Balgruf should lead you to meet Farengar, but he do nothing after dialogue, finally i found it was a guard mod caused that. One guard is considered doesn't matter and was disabled by the author, but in fact he's one Alias in a quest, and it caused that quest cannot run, then caused the bleak fall quest broken.

Maybe this is the same? Some largeReference is Alias in some quest and was disabled by LargeReference workaround, so  caused other quest damaged?

The workarounds do not disable large references. That could only be done by removing them from the worldspace RNAM list in the plugin(s) that add them.

Large references are references with the base record STAT or MSTT. Check the exported list. There is no NPC in that list.

[sheson]

On 1/5/2023 at 2:25 PM, blueetenicolet said:

Ur, that still happens

Test with this version of DynDOLOD DLL NG https://mega.nz/file/JIxxWLyR#WQ5Da9xkK-jRVANdI31lmYA1BTngNKrkUB7OxgJBn9U

If the issue does not happen and if there are no other weird side effects, this is an actual fix.

[z929669]

@sheson As I have confirmed for AMD cards, the 22.5.1 drivers work with latest version of DynDOLOD, but that version doesn't appear to be available for latest Radeon XT-series AMD cards, and the latest drivers reportedly still have the OpenGL issue with DynDOLOD.

Is there no way to resolve this on DynDOLOD side? Because it's very likely not going to be 'fixed' by AMD, because there is quite likely nothing wrong with their drivers.

I can help with testing when I have time if you have parameters.

[sheson]

16 minutes ago, z929669 said:

@sheson As I have confirmed for AMD cards, the 22.5.1 drivers work with latest version of DynDOLOD, but that version doesn't appear to be available for latest Radeon XT-series AMD cards, and the latest drivers reportedly still have the OpenGL issue with DynDOLOD.

Is there no way to resolve this on DynDOLOD side? Because it's very likely not going to be 'fixed' by AMD, because there is quite likely nothing wrong with their drivers.

I can help with testing when I have time if you have parameters.

Read the first post and https://dyndolod.info/Official-DynDOLOD-Support-Forum what logs and bugreports to provide when posting about problems with the latest alpha version.

[z929669]

8 minutes ago, sheson said:

Read the first post and https://dyndolod.info/Official-DynDOLOD-Support-Forum what logs and bugreports to provide when posting about problems with the latest alpha version.

Relevant logs have been provided in the past by those of us with AMD cards and using driver versions > 22.5.1, and logs aren't applicable to my question and comment above. I'm asking if there is appetite for resolving the new AMD issues with the latest versions of DynDOLOD.

I will take your response to mean that those of us on AMD should install the latest drivers and post those logs as applicable. This is a viable path forward as long as there is a path to resolving besides "rely on AMD deprecated drivers" or "buy an NVIDIA" or "wait for AMD to fix" (when nothing is broken from their standpoint).

 

[sheson]

22 minutes ago, z929669 said:

Relevant logs have been provided in the past by those of us with AMD cards and using driver versions > 22.5.1, and logs aren't applicable to my question and comment above. I'm asking if there is appetite for resolving the new AMD issues with the latest versions of DynDOLOD.

I will take your response to mean that those of us on AMD should install the latest drivers and post those logs as applicable. This is a viable path forward as long as there is a path to resolving besides "rely on AMD deprecated drivers" or "buy an NVIDIA" or "wait for AMD to fix" (when nothing is broken from their standpoint).

No logs and no bugreports about the known AMD issue with older DynDOLOD versions have been provided for the latest alpha version as far as I remember. I beg for them every time a user posts about that problem.

I have no ideas what the "new AMD issues with the latest versions of DynDOLOD" is supposed to be as I do not recall any logs or bugreports about it either.

[z929669]

15 minutes ago, sheson said:

No logs and no bugreports about the known AMD issue with older DynDOLOD versions have been provided for the latest alpha version as far as I remember. I beg for them every time a user posts about that problem.

I have no ideas what the "new AMD issues with the latest versions of DynDOLOD" is supposed to be as I do not recall any logs or bugreports about it either.

The "new" issues with respect to AMD drivers for the Radeon 7900XT were reported on one of our Nexus mod pages. After looking further, I found that the known compatible version of the drivers are not available for that card. So I got to thinking that those with latest AMD GFX (myself as yet not included) will be out of luck unless they are prepared to troubleshoot on this forum with proper logs and testing parameters. As you know, this is often difficult, given that few people want to test/troubleshoot.

I will be in a position to do so in the near future, so I will upgrade my drivers and begin that testing if you have appetite to work through these issues. For now, I'm running 22.5.1 drivers without issue, but I'd like to keep up with their updates as they roll out. There may be a new version out there now for my card. I also want to hold of upgrading my GFX until I know there is a path to resolution for AMD.

I'll be posting back here in the coming weeks to work this issue, so thanks for the clarity.

[ElCapitan8866]

On 1/5/2023 at 5:10 AM, sheson said:

Read the first post which log and debug log to upload when making posts.

Set the Season Type in po3_SeasonsOfSkyrim.ini accordingly to the list which should be above the setting.

;0 - disabled
;1 - permanent winter
;2 - permanent spring
;3 - permanent summer
;4 - permanent autumn

Set Season Type = 0 to generate the default grass cache.

See https://dyndolod.info/Help/Grass-LOD#No-Grass-LOD-Check-List

Hi Sheson, thank you for the feedback. On reviewing the No Grass LOD Check List I found that TexGen was not producing any grass LODs. A little more research and I found that I needed to recalculate boundaries for all grasses in the Seasonal Landscapes plugin using the CK. After that, produced all 5 grass caches (name accordingly for each season plus the default one), ran xLodgen, then TexGen, then Dyndolod, finally disabled the grass cache and the use Crass Cache option under the NGIO ini, and viola! Good beautiful landscapes with matching distant terrain, object, trees, and grass LODs for each season. Thank you again!