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At this point, I don't think we need to delete anything. The ultimate issue is the Semantic Mediawiki software and config ... it may be that we have reached the cap of what Semantic will support as we have it configured. I suspect that our requests timeout is too restrictive and that the wiki is just taking a while to serve up pages that are not cached ... among other things relating to memory, process workers, and PHP as it relates to the wiki. Forums run fine, as always. I will keep looking into it, but s4n had implemented many security barriers that make access to some config settings very difficult for me to troubleshoot/edit ... and he is MIA, so it could be a while before I can resolve. Bouncing PHP fixes but only for minutes now when it used to be months.

I have been messing with things on and off most of the day. Recent additions to the wiki have overloaded associated processes, I suspect. THis would have started on the 17th, so whomever has created anything really big (Pack guide maybe?) has likely put us over the top. We may need to disable the offending pages to resolve until I can figure out another way.

I have restarted PHP again, and things work fine, but soon after bouncing, the problem seems to return. I suspect it has something to do with recently created pages that are heavily reliant on Semantic Mediawiki and possibly customization of certain Semantic dependencies. I don't have time to hunt the issue down right now, but this problem may come back if/when the problematic content is loaded/edited/saved, etc. ( https://wiki.step-project.com/Special:RecentChanges

I just rebooted PHP service, so all is working again

No problem ;) We'll be better situated in the coming months once we get the new site up and running.

I fixed the issue, and we should be back up now. Sorry for the delay, but I was not aware until about 15 minutes ago. My bad though!

We will be upgrading the entire site and moving servers within the next few months. Dev is in progress.

I looked into the affected php code, and did not see use of the code causing the issue. I think a vulnerability remains, but it was cleaned up by the recaching process. Upgrading IPB should fix the source (coming soon).

It's a possibility once we switch servers.

We lost touch with s4n, our server administrator. We have not heard any response from him for a couple of months now, so hopefully he is OK. THe good news is that this is prompting a shakeup and Tech and I will be learning more on the server maintenance side. The wiki is back up. We will be moving forward soon ourselves with changes towards STEP 3.0 Sorry all for the inconvenience.

I was able to reach s4n, and he restarted the php processes.

The wiki is huge and complex, so it has outgrown our server capacity. We are planning on changing servers and offloading some of the wiki programmability onto a CMS ... hopefully in the near future. Our server guy (s4n) may need to tweak some performance settings, but I will see about getting the service provider to hard reset the server. Will post back after.

I seem to remember s4n mentioning that he removed the CSS plugin. You can check on the wiki ... Special Pages > Version EDIT: NM, just checked, and it is still installed, so I would check the template or the template call.

Things have been OK for me, but I tend to get on at around this time of day, which may be lower traffic. Better server and software is on the horizon in the next few months.

OK, I will piecemeal through the thread and learn more then. Probably not until the weekend tough

WOW, you guys have a novel already going in here! I have nowhere near the time I would need to read it all Based on the first few posts: Lots of work went into MP, and I assume (without having used it ever), that is is or will be a great utility/service. My gut tells me that it is not a plugin solution for STEP though. As I said, we are looking for a developer to configure a new relationship-management system (RMS) to replace Semantic Mediawiki functionality ... Drupal could work, so if that is not an option, I suppose we can play around with MP for kicks and ideas (but I don't think that is the 1:1 replacement we are looking for).

Fixed, thanks

Just look at the page history, and you should see the last edit coincides with the updated time stamp. Templates are transcluded, so editing them only effects the template page itself and not pages calling them. Updates won't trigger an edit either. It is accurate, and anyone can edit a page, so some human must have made a change, however small. EDIT: no, I just checked page history, and the update time is not in sync with the update timestamp, just as you say. My guess is that the code itself that you used for the timestamp must be the cause, perhaps the switches used with the magic word? {{ #time: G:i:s j F Y|+1 hours| {{REVISIONTIMESTAMP}} }} Would need to look into it to determine. Try testing that code snippet on a user page to see if the result is same as your mod guide page

Seems like you may be joking, but in case you are not and for posterity: First, I respect your Christianity and your right to your own opinions. Second, you are obviously intelligent. However, facts are not up for debate or subject to a belief system or opinions ;) Agree with Tech: Most Christians have reconciled the factually-measured age of the Earth (~4.6 billion years) with their creationist belief systems. The two are not mutually exclusive. ... now, can we all agree that the Earth is flat, or do some of us really question the hard, all-but-provable logic of math and science? OMG, yes, some of us do! ... anyway, I am not one of those that thinks Trump has any more intelligence than the average guy (again, agree with Tech). I think he has been fortunate in his life, that's all (and he has personality going for him). He has a lot of gall, and he doesn't play the traditional political games. People have come to really hate politicians. Trump actually manifests all of the textbook behaviors of narcissistic personality disorder (according to many experts ... and me of course :D). My personal mantra on politics: From the perspective of the governed, the desire to be a politician is itself the disqualifying agent for being a good one for the people.

... so are the largest proportion of American voters (Trump actually lost the popular vote). Our electoral college and even state distributions of senators and lack of term limits and the weight of supreme court justices are all illogical ... except from the POV of the elite political class (it's chess to them). American voters seem pretty fickle to me, most of them seeming to sway from one candidate to the other almost daily and certainly weekly. Then you have the fact that the DNC was colluding with Clinton against Sanders. Collectively, Americans finally want to shut down the political class, and they probably would have elected Sanders if he hadn't been cheated out of the Dem nomination. Trump was the 'rebellion' vote, because he was the only choice for a lot of misguided people. Groups do not function rationally, because they are collectively unintelligent --nearly half of Americans don't think the Earth is much more than 10,000 years old or that climate change is a grand lie. I could go on, but ... my guess that the same dynamic exists in the UK and Australia and many Western European nations (to greater or lesser degree).

@Tannin I think that this was a very smart move by Robin ... bout time we had more consolidation of key resources and innovators in the community ;) If you think file-system links can work as smoothly and transparently as VFS, then I am game ... works very well in Linux! Now, stop reading this thread and get that thing built already :P

Yeah, I saw that and forgot about it when I wrote. Good move. We should start breaking up the others though and implement a post limit per topic ... maybe archiving the rest into subforums within adjacent to their own Topic forums. The big topics with lots of page views, I mean that are under the forums I mentioned.

Yes, we are still having issues related to limiting resource use on the server so that we don't risk our hosting relations. s4n has made some tweaks as a possible short-term fix. There must be an issue with thread size for forums, but the real issues are more likely the wiki, which is muuuuch larger than the forums in terms of storage by an order of magnitude at least. However, LordOfLA makes a good point about DB query efficiency, and I am not sure if forums and wiki DBs differ in terms of optimization. Breaking large, popular threads into chunks might help, and we have some doozies like Skyrim Revisited, which is getting the largest number of topic views this year by far and second only to MO support in 2015. Mods, MO Support, General, and Sheson's DynDOLOD are other large and potentially high-trafic forums with hot topics that should be archived. Sheson's thread has not had nearly as much traffic since early 2015 though (probably due to DynDOLOD wiki supoort).

Get the Lazarus plugin for FireFox. You will never lose a thing again in a free-text field ;)

@Aeradom I agree that most people don't understand the mechanics of the nation's or the world's economy and governments well enough to make informed political decisions (leaving out racism and xenophobia). I actually think that most people understand so little that they probably should abstain from even casting a vote! Most people vote on banal/superficial things like personality or appearance of the candidate ... and the government as well as the lobbyists KNOW this and manipulate the system likewise. Make no mistake: corporations rule the world, and individuals are mostly behaving like very predictable cattle --corralled, fed, and sidelined accordingly. The two-party system is a manifestation of two basic corporate agendas: nationalism versus globalism (a bit of an oversimplification, but applicable). Both of these general agendas have a common goal though, and that is 'power', which is in turn a major driving force of human nature. Let's face it: the ambitious rule the world, and ambition has at its core a fundamental weakness as a manifestation of animal nature driven by self preservation. Animals don't play 'fairly', and "intelligent animals" have even more potential power along a sliding scale of intelligence. I also agree with you about term limits --specifically and conspicuously lacking in the judicial branch and the Senate of the US government. Why don't we have them?? ... corporations and their lobbyists (and existing career politicians), that's why. I somewhat disagree about the CNN issues you have though. Sure, they have been slightly biased due to bias of a few of their people, but for the most part, they are the least biased of the corporate news sources ... nothing to the extent of Fox, IMHO. All corporate news has some general and pervasive problems though, because they are driven by profit in a capitalistic system. The racial majority will always have the most political power and the least social power in a capitalistic democracy (and other types of governments aside from a theocracy, I am guessing). One day, brown people will lose their social power, and being white will be more socially fashionable. ... OK, back to bumbling complacency ... baaaaaahhh, moooo ...