DynDOLOD 3.00 Alpha 180

[sheson]

34 minutes ago, vrnord said:

Thanks for all the effort you put into Dyndolod! 

Observation: grass lods on the sides of grassy hills (hillside is greater than maybe 35 degree angle) are seen more from the top of the model than the side, especially when you are on a different hill and thus viewing from above.  The effect is obviously "X" - shaped things littered on hillsides that I know are grass lods but don't resemble grass at all from that viewing angle.  This is most egregious in the Reach where there are lots of grassy hills and not so many trees to block the view.  

My suggestion is to have an option to rotate all grass lod models on their axis when rendering Dyndolod so they are always fully upright instead of whatever angle/slant the actual grass plant will be when you enter the active cell: that way the side of the model should always be more visible than the top.

Thanks again!

No screenshots or logs have been provided.

This is most likely not going to have the result you believe it does. It will make grass LOD billboards not follow the terrain which can be very obvious on steep hills, with a more visible switch and have the same problem when viewed from somewhere else.

For the time being you could experiment by increasing the slight angle of the planes in the NIF used for grass LOD. https://dyndolod.info/Help/Grass-LOD#Internal-Billboards-and-External-Billboards

Even some full grasses have similar problems.

[vrnord]

10 hours ago, sheson said:

No screenshots or logs have been provided.

This is most likely not going to have the result you believe it does. It will make grass LOD billboards not follow the terrain which can be very obvious on steep hills, with a more visible switch and have the same problem when viewed from somewhere else.

For the time being you could experiment by increasing the slight angle of the planes in the NIF used for grass LOD. https://dyndolod.info/Help/Grass-LOD#Internal-Billboards-and-External-Billboards

Even some full grasses have similar problems.

OK, thanks for the reply!

EDIT: Alternate thought: what if there was a variable in the Dyndolod config .ini file to set maximum grass lod slope/angle in degrees?  Any grass plants in the cache with a slope greater than that are automatically ignored by Dyndolod.

Obviously then transition would still be a little odd when the bald side of a hill suddenly has grass, but for me at least that is preferable to the hillside having "X's" from a distance.

 

Edited December 23, 2023 by vrnord

[Surfwater401]

Got my mods installed and have the all the requirements and latest versions for DynDOLOD. No Issues with TexGen, but once I start DynDolod and let it load, get these few errors. Apart from these messages there was no other issues. I just want to know if these are normal messages or if they aren't what can be done to resolve them. 

[z929669]

11 minutes ago, Surfwater401 said:

Got my mods installed and have the all the requirements and latest versions for DynDOLOD. No Issues with TexGen, but once I start DynDolod and let it load, get these few errors. Apart from these messages there was no other issues. I just want to know if these are normal messages or if they aren't what can be done to resolve them. 

The documentation explains all this.

[sheson]

7 hours ago, Surfwater401 said:

Got my mods installed and have the all the requirements and latest versions for DynDOLOD. No Issues with TexGen, but once I start DynDolod and let it load, get these few errors. Apart from these messages there was no other issues. I just want to know if these are normal messages or if they aren't what can be done to resolve them.

Moved to the DynDOLOD Alpha thread.

Read the first post and/or https://dyndolod.info/Official-DynDOLOD-Support-Forum#Posts-Logs which log and debug log to upload when making posts.

Read https://dyndolod.info/Official-DynDOLOD-Support-Forum#Copy-and-Paste-Text how to not post screenshots of text.

Read https://dyndolod.info/Official-DynDOLOD-Support-Forum#Use-Search

Read https://dyndolod.info/Official-DynDOLOD-Support-Forum#Read-Log-and-Error-Messages

Read https://dyndolod.info/Messages

Read https://dyndolod.info/Help/Summary-Of-Messages

Ask specific questions about a message/mod if required while providing the required logs.

[FireCulex]

After 3 hours DynDOLOD is completed and it crashes.

[1:53:17] LODGenx64Win.exe generated object LOD for DLC2SolstheimWorld successfully
[1:53:17] LODGenx64Win.exe generated object LOD for Tamriel successfully
[1:53:17] Created a summary of log messages D:\Skytools\DynDOLOD\Summary\DynDOLOD_Index.html.
Access violation at address 000000000126DDFE in module 'DynDOLODx64.exe'. Read of address 0000000000000000
Error: Access violation at address 000000000126DDFE in module 'DynDOLODx64.exe'. Read of address 0000000000000000.

If I press OK it generates the Masters.

Edited December 24, 2023 by FireCulex

[sheson]

56 minutes ago, FireCulex said:

After 3 hours DynDOLOD is completed and it crashes.

[1:53:17] LODGenx64Win.exe generated object LOD for DLC2SolstheimWorld successfully
[1:53:17] LODGenx64Win.exe generated object LOD for Tamriel successfully
[1:53:17] Created a summary of log messages D:\Skytools\DynDOLOD\Summary\DynDOLOD_Index.html.
Access violation at address 000000000126DDFE in module 'DynDOLODx64.exe'. Read of address 0000000000000000
Error: Access violation at address 000000000126DDFE in module 'DynDOLODx64.exe'. Read of address 0000000000000000.

If I press OK it generates the Masters.

Moved to the DynDOLOD Alpha thread.

Read the first post and/or https://dyndolod.info/Official-DynDOLOD-Support-Forum#Posts-Logs which log, debug log and bugreport.txt to upload when making posts.

Read https://dyndolod.info/Official-Support-Forum#Copy-and-Paste-Text

[quochunganhphu]

new version of Dyndolod keeps forwarding vanilla water LOD record, im currently using Water of ENB which use another water LOD, disable Dyndolod fixed it

[sheson]

On 12/24/2023 at 4:09 PM, quochunganhphu said:

new version of Dyndolod keeps forwarding vanilla water LOD record, im currently using Water of ENB which use another water LOD, disable Dyndolod fixed it

Read the first post and/or https://dyndolod.info/Official-DynDOLOD-Support-Forum#Posts-Logs which log, debug log to upload when making posts.

See https://dyndolod.info/Changelog for Alpha-160
DynDOLOD.exe - added support for Partial Form flag
DynDOLOD.exe - added PartialWorldspace and PartialPersistentCell INI settings to set the partial form flag on these overwrite records in the DynDOLOD and occlusion plugins

In the changelog entry, you can hover the term Partial Form Flag for a hint or check https://dyndolod.info/Terminology:
Records that have the Partial Form flag set do not overwrite the data of the record from the plugin loaded before them. Only a few record types support it.

https://stepmodifications.org/forum/topic/17510-dyndolod-300-alpha-162/page/592/#elControls_276351_menu

This means the game should use the record from the last plugin before DynDOLOD.esp and Occlusion.esp as they do not contain/overwrite it.

[quochunganhphu]

48 minutes ago, sheson said:

Read the first post and/or https://dyndolod.info/Official-DynDOLOD-Support-Forum#Posts-Logs which log, debug log to upload when making posts.

See https://dyndolod.info/Changelog for Alpha-160
DynDOLOD.exe - added support for Partial Form flag
DynDOLOD.exe - added PartialWorldspace and PartialPersistentCell INI settings to set the partial form flag on these overwrite records in the DynDOLOD and occlusion plugins

In the changelog entry, you can hover the term Partial Form Flag for a hint or check https://dyndolod.info/Terminology:
Records that have the Partial Form flag set do not overwrite the data of the record from the plugin loaded before them. Only a few record types support it.

https://stepmodifications.org/forum/topic/17510-dyndolod-300-alpha-162/page/592/#elControls_276351_menu

This means the gama should use the record from the last plugin before DynDOLOD.esp and Occlusion.esp as they do not contain/overwrite it.

then what should i do next, the last plugin loaded before dyndolod and occlusion esp does have the correct water LOD, but when i check in sseedit it still get overwrited somehow 

Logs.rar

[sheson]

1 hour ago, quochunganhphu said:

then what should i do next, the last plugin loaded before dyndolod and occlusion esp does have the correct water LOD, but when i check in sseedit it still get overwrited somehow 

Logs.rar 1.2 MB · 1 download

The logs only show starting the tool without the generation.

The game should be using the records from the last plugin to contain them. If the load order in the game is the same as the one shown by the xEdit screenshot, it should be the one from Northern Roads - Water for ENB (Shades of Skyrim) - Water patch.esp

If you want DynDOLOD.esp and Occlusion.esp to not use the partial form flag and instead copy the record from the last plugin so it stays the same even if the load order before them changes, set PartialWorldspace=0 in H:\DynDOLOD\Edit Scripts\DynDOLOD\DynDOLOD_SSE.ini>

[kaytu]

[00:11] Large reference bugs workarounds requirements not met. DynDOLOD.DLL: NG, Scripts: NG, Deleted references: yes Either meet all requirements or remove DynDOLOD.DLL NG and Scripts from the load order. Deleted reference Update.esm [REFR:000C8701] (places TreeDeadShrub [TREE:000A731C] in GRUP Cell Temporary Children of FrostflowLighthouseExterior01 [CELL:00008F29] (in Tamriel "Skyrim" [WRLD:0000003C] at 15,21))
[00:11] 00000000 ???                                  
00ecb3d2 DynDOLODx64.exe DynDOLODMain   10707 DynDOLODMainInit
00fc86dc DynDOLODx64.exe xeMainForm      4887 TfrmMain.DoGenerateLOD
01029168 DynDOLODx64.exe xeMainForm     17721 TfrmMain.tmrGeneratorTimer
007bed20 DynDOLODx64.exe Vcl.ExtCtrls         TTimer.Timer
007beb48 DynDOLODx64.exe Vcl.ExtCtrls         TTimer.WndProc
005e3693 DynDOLODx64.exe System.Classes       StdWndProc
7ff98728 USER32.dll                           DispatchMessageW
0085e2fe DynDOLODx64.exe Vcl.Forms            TApplication.ProcessMessage
0085e373 DynDOLODx64.exe Vcl.Forms            TApplication.HandleMessage
0085e7ca DynDOLODx64.exe Vcl.Forms            TApplication.Run
01d4a420 DynDOLODx64.exe DynDOLOD         184 initialization
7ff98793 KERNEL32.DLL                         BaseThreadInitThunk
7ff988e2 ntdll.dll                            RtlUserThreadStart
[00:11] [TMessageDialog.Dialog] <Debug: Creating TTaskDialog>
[00:11] [TMessageDialog.Dialog] <Debug: [TMessageDialog.Dialog] Executing TTaskDialog>
<Error: Deleted reference Update.esm [REFR:000C8701] (places TreeDeadShrub [TREE:000A731C] in GRUP Cell Temporary Children of FrostflowLighthouseExterior01 [CELL:00008F29] (in Tamriel "Skyrim" [WRLD:0000003C] at 15,21))>
Large reference bugs workarounds: disabled (DynDOLOD.DLL: NG, Scripts: NG, Deleted references: yes)

^ when I run DynDOLOD64.exe after TexGen64.exe. 

Please dont send me back to: "https://dyndolod.info/Help/Large-Reference-Bugs-Workarounds" It is of no help at my level of understanding of the mechanics at this time.

I attempted the following:
1. Downloaded DynDOLOD 3 Alpha ( 162 ) because of this message on 2.x's POSTS. My Skyrim SE version is 1.6.1130.

Quote

"DynDOLOD 2.x will not work with game plugins version 1.71 or higher used by runtime version 1.6.1130 or higher. Use DynDOLOD 3 Alpha instead."

2. Next, based on the instructions offered here and the helpful graphic here in his video by this gentlemen here, I proceeded to download the remaining dependencies. That is, "DynDOLOD Resources SE 3" and " DynDOLOD DLL NG" ( specifically: DynDOLOD DLL NG 1.6.1130 and Scripts 3.00 ). I used NG because of the table here and the following on the Description page at nexusmods: 
 

Quote

This is used instead of PapyrusUtil / DynDOLOD DLL SE/VR.

3. Finally, I ran TexGenx64 successfully, followed by DynDOLOGx64.exe which failed with error snippet and logs ( attached ).

Please advise.

DynDOLOD_SSE_Debug_log.txt

Edited December 24, 2023 by kaytu
Hyperlink was missing

[z929669]

2 hours ago, kaytu said:

[00:11] Large reference bugs workarounds requirements not met. DynDOLOD.DLL: NG, Scripts: NG, Deleted references: yes Either meet all requirements or remove DynDOLOD.DLL NG and Scripts from the load order. Deleted reference Update.esm [REFR:000C8701] (places TreeDeadShrub [TREE:000A731C] in GRUP Cell Temporary Children of FrostflowLighthouseExterior01 [CELL:00008F29] (in Tamriel "Skyrim" [WRLD:0000003C] at 15,21))
[00:11] 00000000 ???                                  
00ecb3d2 DynDOLODx64.exe DynDOLODMain   10707 DynDOLODMainInit
00fc86dc DynDOLODx64.exe xeMainForm      4887 TfrmMain.DoGenerateLOD
01029168 DynDOLODx64.exe xeMainForm     17721 TfrmMain.tmrGeneratorTimer
007bed20 DynDOLODx64.exe Vcl.ExtCtrls         TTimer.Timer
007beb48 DynDOLODx64.exe Vcl.ExtCtrls         TTimer.WndProc
005e3693 DynDOLODx64.exe System.Classes       StdWndProc
7ff98728 USER32.dll                           DispatchMessageW
0085e2fe DynDOLODx64.exe Vcl.Forms            TApplication.ProcessMessage
0085e373 DynDOLODx64.exe Vcl.Forms            TApplication.HandleMessage
0085e7ca DynDOLODx64.exe Vcl.Forms            TApplication.Run
01d4a420 DynDOLODx64.exe DynDOLOD         184 initialization
7ff98793 KERNEL32.DLL                         BaseThreadInitThunk
7ff988e2 ntdll.dll                            RtlUserThreadStart
[00:11] [TMessageDialog.Dialog] <Debug: Creating TTaskDialog>
[00:11] [TMessageDialog.Dialog] <Debug: [TMessageDialog.Dialog] Executing TTaskDialog>
<Error: Deleted reference Update.esm [REFR:000C8701] (places TreeDeadShrub [TREE:000A731C] in GRUP Cell Temporary Children of FrostflowLighthouseExterior01 [CELL:00008F29] (in Tamriel "Skyrim" [WRLD:0000003C] at 15,21))>
Large reference bugs workarounds: disabled (DynDOLOD.DLL: NG, Scripts: NG, Deleted references: yes)

^ when I run DynDOLOD64.exe after TexGen64.exe. 

Please dont send me back to: "https://dyndolod.info/Help/Large-Reference-Bugs-Workarounds" It is of no help at my level of understanding of the mechanics at this time.

I attempted the following:
1. Downloaded DynDOLOD 3 Alpha ( 162 ) because of this message on 2.x's POSTS. My Skyrim SE version is 1.6.1130.

2. Next, based on the instructions offered here and the helpful graphic here in his video by this gentlemen here, I proceeded to download the remaining dependencies. That is, "DynDOLOD Resources SE 3" and " DynDOLOD DLL NG" ( specifically: DynDOLOD DLL NG 1.6.1130 and Scripts 3.00 ). I used NG because of the table here and the following on the Description page at nexusmods: 
 

3. Finally, I ran TexGenx64 successfully, followed by DynDOLOGx64.exe which failed with error snippet and logs ( attached ).

Please advise.

DynDOLOD_SSE_Debug_log.txt 90.79 kB · 0 downloads

Your issue seems to be that you did not clean your vanilla plugins of identical to master (ITM) records and undelete and disable references (UDRs) that were improperly 'deleted'. Use LOOT to sort your plugins, and note the yellow warning labels and messages on plugins that are 'dirty'. These must all be cleaned with xEditQuickAutoClean. See our instructions:

• Set up xEditQuickAutoClean
• Use xEditQuickAutoClean

 

See DynDOLOD DLL NG - Large Reference Bugs Workarounds

Quote

In case a deleted large reference is found and the log and the Large reference bugs workarounds requirements not met error message report Deleted references: yes, the message will contain a line that mentions the plugin that requires cleaning like this:

Deleted reference Update.esm [REFR:000C8701] (places TreeDeadShrub [TREE:000A731C] in GRUP Cell Temporary Children of FrostflowLighthouseExterior01 [CELL:00008F29] (in Tamriel "Skyrim" [WRLD:0000003C] at 15,21))>

 

[sheson]

3 hours ago, kaytu said:

[00:11] Large reference bugs workarounds requirements not met. DynDOLOD.DLL: NG, Scripts: NG, Deleted references: yes Either meet all requirements or remove DynDOLOD.DLL NG and Scripts from the load order. Deleted reference Update.esm [REFR:000C8701] (places TreeDeadShrub [TREE:000A731C] in GRUP Cell Temporary Children of FrostflowLighthouseExterior01 [CELL:00008F29] (in Tamriel "Skyrim" [WRLD:0000003C] at 15,21))
[00:11] 00000000 ???                                  
00ecb3d2 DynDOLODx64.exe DynDOLODMain   10707 DynDOLODMainInit
00fc86dc DynDOLODx64.exe xeMainForm      4887 TfrmMain.DoGenerateLOD
01029168 DynDOLODx64.exe xeMainForm     17721 TfrmMain.tmrGeneratorTimer
007bed20 DynDOLODx64.exe Vcl.ExtCtrls         TTimer.Timer
007beb48 DynDOLODx64.exe Vcl.ExtCtrls         TTimer.WndProc
005e3693 DynDOLODx64.exe System.Classes       StdWndProc
7ff98728 USER32.dll                           DispatchMessageW
0085e2fe DynDOLODx64.exe Vcl.Forms            TApplication.ProcessMessage
0085e373 DynDOLODx64.exe Vcl.Forms            TApplication.HandleMessage
0085e7ca DynDOLODx64.exe Vcl.Forms            TApplication.Run
01d4a420 DynDOLODx64.exe DynDOLOD         184 initialization
7ff98793 KERNEL32.DLL                         BaseThreadInitThunk
7ff988e2 ntdll.dll                            RtlUserThreadStart
[00:11] [TMessageDialog.Dialog] <Debug: Creating TTaskDialog>
[00:11] [TMessageDialog.Dialog] <Debug: [TMessageDialog.Dialog] Executing TTaskDialog>
<Error: Deleted reference Update.esm [REFR:000C8701] (places TreeDeadShrub [TREE:000A731C] in GRUP Cell Temporary Children of FrostflowLighthouseExterior01 [CELL:00008F29] (in Tamriel "Skyrim" [WRLD:0000003C] at 15,21))>
Large reference bugs workarounds: disabled (DynDOLOD.DLL: NG, Scripts: NG, Deleted references: yes)

^ when I run DynDOLOD64.exe after TexGen64.exe. 

Please dont send me back to: "https://dyndolod.info/Help/Large-Reference-Bugs-Workarounds" It is of no help at my level of understanding of the mechanics at this time.

I attempted the following:
1. Downloaded DynDOLOD 3 Alpha ( 162 ) because of this message on 2.x's POSTS. My Skyrim SE version is 1.6.1130.

2. Next, based on the instructions offered here and the helpful graphic here in his video by this gentlemen here, I proceeded to download the remaining dependencies. That is, "DynDOLOD Resources SE 3" and " DynDOLOD DLL NG" ( specifically: DynDOLOD DLL NG 1.6.1130 and Scripts 3.00 ). I used NG because of the table here and the following on the Description page at nexusmods: 
 

3. Finally, I ran TexGenx64 successfully, followed by DynDOLOGx64.exe which failed with error snippet and logs ( attached ).

Please advise.

DynDOLOD_SSE_Debug_log.txt 90.79 kB · 0 downloads

Simply read and follow the official generation instructions under https://dyndolod.info/Generation-Instructions#Prerequisites to clean plugins. It is clearly explained several times to be a requirement for the large reference bugs workarounds, and then again as the fix for the message, which states the plugin name to be cleaned.

The instructions link to https://tes5edit.github.io/docs/7-mod-cleaning-and-error-checking.html so even if you do not know yet what it means exactly, learning about and howto fulfill the requirement is just a click away. Cleaning is a well known, well explained rudimentary modding step that people typically learn when they read about setting up their load order long before using advanced tools like DynDOLOD.

[kaytu]

1 hour ago, sheson said:

Simply read and follow the official generation instructions under https://dyndolod.info/Generation-Instructions#Prerequisites to clean plugins. It is clearly explained several times to be a requirement for the large reference bugs workarounds, and then again as the fix for the message, which states the plugin name to be cleaned.

The instructions link to https://tes5edit.github.io/docs/7-mod-cleaning-and-error-checking.html so even if you do not know yet what it means exactly, learning about and howto fulfill the requirement is just a click away. Cleaning is a well known, well explained rudimentary modding step that people typically learn when they read about setting up their load order long before using advanced tools like DynDOLOD.

 

3 hours ago, z929669 said:

Your issue seems to be that you did not clean your vanilla plugins of identical to master (ITM) records and undelete and disable references (UDRs) that were improperly 'deleted'. Use LOOT to sort your plugins, and note the yellow warning labels and messages on plugins that are 'dirty'. These must all be cleaned with xEditQuickAutoClean. See our instructions:

• Set up xEditQuickAutoClean
• Use xEditQuickAutoClean

 

See DynDOLOD DLL NG - Large Reference Bugs Workarounds

 

 

It appears from the instructions on both sets of links shared that 'cleaning' is valid when a plugin is active. To be clear, the steps I shared before, had not got to the point where I could see a plugin in Vortex.

Here are some screenshots of mods/plugins/load-order-rules that might be more informative.


I haven't gotten much far into playing the game itself ( downloaded it a couple of days ago ) so I don't mind starting from scratch and re-installing the damn thing.

Please advise.