Periodic Infinite Loading Screen on Modded SSE (Multiple Cells)

[Martimius]

Hey guys,

 

I've been having some trouble lately with periodic infinite loading screens (ILS). These don't always occur on a specific cell loading/fast travel point, rather it tends to happen when I've clocked in some time on a current play session and already have loaded a number of interior/exterior cells successfully. These occurrences were rare at the start of my playthrough, but they became more prevalent as I played some more.

 

I have tried Google and forum searches about this issue, but the people experiencing it would either have vanilla, Oldrim, or completely different modded setups from mine. I also use the Engine Fixes mod and have tried turning on the "Use OS Allocators" option to no avail. I'm providing a modlist as well, so I hope that helps with troubleshooting. I know as well that providing a huge modlist dump without any explanation isn't very helpful at times, so I'll try to narrow it down to some suspects.

 

The issue hasn't occurred when I was in first person, only third (I play third-person most of the time)- perhaps it might be due to the first person camera mod (Improved Camera) I have installed but it's a bit unlikely. I also have DynDOLOD, but that seemed to run fine even before and I've been using that mod for a while. It's unlikely because of a single mesh or texture because the ILS only happens sometimes and usually after a hard reset of my game I can load the cell again.

 

Modlist: 

https://modwat.ch/u/Martimius2/plugins

 

I'm also using Mod Organizer 2 as my mod manager.

 

EDIT: For some reason, spoiler tags aren't working properly for me, so I apologize in advance for the super long post.

 

enblocal.ini

 

 

 

 

[PROXY]

EnableProxyLibrary=false

InitProxyFunctions=true

ProxyLibrary=

 

 

[PERFORMANCE]

SpeedHack=true

ShaderCache=true

 

 

[ENGINE]

ForceVSync=false

VSyncSkipNumFrames=0

 

 

[LIMITER]

EnableFPSLimit=false

FPSLimit=61.0

 

 

[iNPUT]

KeyCombination=16

KeyUseEffect=123

KeyFPSLimit=36

KeyShowFPS=106

KeyScreenshot=122

KeyEditor=13

KeyDof=118

 

 

[ANTIALIASING]

EnableEdgeAA=false

 

 

[DITHERING]

EnablePrepass=false

EnablePostpass=false

AmountPrepass=1.0

AmountPostpass=1.0

 

 

[FIX]

FixReflectionTrees=true

DisableFakeLights=true

FixReflectionThirdPerson=true

FixBlackHair=true

IgnoreInventory=true

 

 

 

My INIs

 

Skyrim.ini

 

 

 

 

bUseNavMeshForMovement=0

 

[Animation]

fMaxFrameCounterDifferenceToConsiderVisible=0.06666667

 

[Archive]

bInvalidateOlderFiles=1

bLoadArchiveInMemory=1

sArchiveToLoadInMemoryList=Skyrim - Animations.bsa

sResourceArchiveList=Skyrim - Misc.bsa, Skyrim - Shaders.bsa, Skyrim - Interface.bsa, Skyrim - Animations.bsa, Skyrim - Meshes0.bsa, Skyrim - Meshes1.bsa, Skyrim - Sounds.bsa

sResourceArchiveList2=Skyrim - Voices_en0.bsa, Skyrim - Textures0.bsa, Skyrim - Textures1.bsa, Skyrim - Textures2.bsa, Skyrim - Textures3.bsa, Skyrim - Textures4.bsa, Skyrim - Textures5.bsa, Skyrim - Textures6.bsa, Skyrim - Textures7.bsa, Skyrim - Textures8.bsa, Skyrim - Patch.bsa, VanillaOptimized.bsa

 

[Audio]

fMenuModeFadeInTime=1.0

fMenuModeFadeOutTime=3.0

fMusicDuckingSeconds=6.0

fMusicUnDuckingSeconds=8.0

 

[Camera]

fMouseWheelZoomSpeed=10.00

 

[Combat]

f1PArrowTiltUpAngle=0.7

f1PBoltTiltUpAngle=0.7

f3PArrowTiltUpAngle=2.5

fMagnetismLookingMult=0.0

fMagnetismStrafeHeadingMult=0.0

 

[Controls]

fControllerBufferDepth=0.01

fDialogueHardStopAngle1P=360.0

fDialogueHardStopAngle3P=360.0

fDialogueSoftStopAngle1P=360.0

fDialogueSoftStopAngle3P=360.0

fDirectionalDeadzone=0.0

fFreezeDirectionDefaultAngleThreshold=0.0000

fFreezeDirectionDefaultSpeedThreshold=0.0000

fMouseHeadingSensitivityMax=0.0625

fMouseHeadingXScale=0.0200

fMouseHeadingYScale=0.8500

fReverseDirThreshold=0.0

 

[Decals]

uMaxSkinDecalPerActor=256

 

[Display]

bDeactivateAOOnSnow=1

bEnableSnowRimLighting=1

bLockFrameRate=0

bShowMarkers=0

bVolumetricLightingDisableInterior=1

fDDOFFocusCenterweightExt=2

fDecalLifetime=300

fDefaultWorldFOV=90

fDOFMaxDepthParticipation=10000

fDynamicDOFFarBlur=0.4

fFirstSliceDistance=2800

fLightLODRange=33750

fLightLODStartFade=3500.0

fShadowDirectionalBiasScale=0.15

fSparklesIntensity=0.3

fSunShadowUpdateTime=1

fSunUpdateThreshold=0.5

fTreesMidLODSwitchDist=9999999.0000

 

[General]

bBackgroundLoadVMData=1

bModManagerMenuEnabled=0

fFlickeringLightDistance=8192

sIntroSequence=BGS_Logo.bik

sLanguage=ENGLISH

sTestFile1=Dawnguard.esm

sTestFile2=HearthFires.esm

sTestFile3=Dragonborn.esm

uExterior Cell Buffer=36

uGridsToLoad=5

 

[GeneralWarnings]

SGeneralMasterMismatchWarning=One or more plugins could not find the correct versions of the master files they depend on. Errors may occur during load or game play. Check the "Warnings.txt" file for more information.

 

[Grass]

bAllowCreateGrass=1

bAllowLoadGrass=0

bDrawShaderGrass=1

fGrassFadeRange=7500

fGrassMaxStartFadeDistance=7000.0000

fGrassMinStartFadeDistance=0.0000

fGrassWindMagnitudeMax=125

fGrassWindMagnitudeMin=5

iGrassCellRadius=2

iMaxGrassTypesPerTexure=3

iMinGrassSize=40

 

[HAVOK]

fMaxTime=0.01666667

fMaxTimeComplex=0.03333333

 

[imagespace]

iRadialBlurLevel=2

 

[interface]

bShowTutorials=0

 

[Launcher]

bEnableFileSelection=1

 

[LightingShader]

fDecalLODFadeEnd=0.6

fDecalLODFadeStart=0.5

fEnvmapLODFadeEnd=0.7

fEnvmapLODFadeStart=0.6

 

[LOD]

fDistanceMultiplier=1.00

 

[MapMenu]

fMapWorldMaxPitch=90

fMapWorldMinPitch=0

fMapWorldYawRange=400

 

[Menu]

iConsoleSizeScreenPercent=40

iConsoleTextSize=20

 

[Papyrus]

bEnableLogging=0

bEnableProfiling=0

bEnableTrace=0

bLoadDebugInformation=0

fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=2000

 

[saveGame]

iAutoSaveCount=3

 

[Trees]

bEnableTreeAnimations=1

bEnableTrees=1

fUpdateBudget=1.5

 

[Water]

bReflectLODLand=1

bReflectLODObjects=1

bReflectLODTrees=1

bReflectSky=1

 

 

 

SkyrimPrefs.ini

 

 

fAudioMasterVolume=1.0000

fVal0=0.7500

fVal1=1.0000

fVal2=0.7000

fVal3=0.7000

fVal4=0.3000

fVal5=0.8500

fVal6=0.3000

fVal7=0.8000

uID0=94881

uID1=554685

uID2=466532

uID3=522251

uID4=410705

uID5=106685

uID6=1007612

uID7=469805678

 

 

[bethesda.net]

uPersistentUuidData0=3164403544

uPersistentUuidData1=2494055456

uPersistentUuidData2=2648452381

uPersistentUuidData3=3177808473

 

 

[Clouds]

fCloudLevel0Distance=16384.0000

fCloudLevel1Distance=32768.0000

fCloudLevel2Distance=262144.0000

fCloudNearFadeDistance=9000.0000

 

 

[Controls]

bAlwaysRunByDefault=1

bGamePadRumble=1

bInvertYValues=0

bUseKinect=0

fGamepadHeadingSensitivity=0.6667

fMouseHeadingSensitivity=0.0125

 

 

[Decals]

bDecals=1

bSkinnedDecals=1

uMaxDecals=200

uMaxSkinDecals=1024

 

 

[Display]

bBorderless=0

bDrawLandShadows=1

bEnableImprovedSnow=0

bEnableProjecteUVDiffuseNormals=1

bForceCreateTarget=0

bFull Screen=1

bFXAAEnabled=0

bIBLFEnable=0

bIndEnable=0

bSAO_CS_Enable=0

bSAOEnable=0

bScreenSpaceReflectionEnabled=1

bToggleSparkles=1

bTreesReceiveShadows=1

bUse64bitsHDRRenderTarget=0

bUsePrecipitationOcclusion=1

bUseTAA=1

bVolumetricLightingEnable=1

fDynamicDOFBlurMultiplier=0.8000

ffocusShadowMapDoubleEveryXUnit=450.0000

fGamma=1.0000

fInteriorShadowDistance=3000.0000

fLeafAnimDampenDistEnd=4600.0000

fLeafAnimDampenDistStart=3600.0000

fLightLODStartFade=3750.0000

fMeshLODFadeBoundDefault=256.0000

fMeshLODFadePercentDefault=1.2000

fMeshLODLevel1FadeDist=10240.0000

fMeshLODLevel1FadeTreeDistance=8960.0000

fMeshLODLevel2FadeDist=7680.0000

fMeshLODLevel2FadeTreeDistance=5376.0000

fProjectedUVDiffuseNormalTilingScale=0.2000

fProjectedUVNormalDetailTilingScale=0.8000

fShadowDistance=8000.0000

fTreesMidLODSwitchDist=8960.0000

iMaxDecalsPerFrame=800

iMaxSkinDecalsPerFrame=250

iNumFocusShadow=4

iNumSplits=2

iReflectionResolutionDivider=2

iSaveGameScreenShotHeight=192

iSaveGameScreenShotHeighWSt=192

iSaveGameScreenShotWidth=256

iSaveGameScreenShotWidthWS=320

iScreenShotIndex=713

iShadowMapResolution=2048

iShadowMaskQuarter=4

iSize H=1080

iSize W=1920

iVolumetricLightingQuality=1

iVSyncPresentInterval=0

uBookRatio=2

 

 

[GamePlay]

bShowFloatingQuestMarkers=1

bShowQuestMarkers=1

iDifficulty=3

 

 

[General]

bEnableStoryManagerLogging=0

fLightingOutputColourClampPostEnv=1.0000

fLightingOutputColourClampPostLit=1.0000

fLightingOutputColourClampPostSpec=1.0000

iStoryManagerLoggingEvent=-1

uLargeRefLODGridSize=11

 

 

[Grass]

fGrassMaxStartFadeDistance=6500.0000

fGrassMinStartFadeDistance=0.0000

fGrassStartFadeDistance=2500.0000

 

 

[imagespace]

bDoDepthOfField=0

bLensFlare=1

 

 

[interface]

bDialogueSubtitles=1

bGeneralSubtitles=1

bShowCompass=1

fMouseCursorSpeed=1.0000

 

 

[LOD]

fLODFadeOutMultActors=12.0000

fLODFadeOutMultItems=4.5000

fLODFadeOutMultObjects=12.0000

fLODFadeOutMultSkyCell=1.0000

 

 

[MAIN]

bCrosshairEnabled=1

bGamepadEnable=0

bSaveOnPause=0

bSaveOnRest=0

bSaveOnTravel=0

bSaveOnWait=0

fHUDOpacity=1.0000

fSkyCellRefFadeDistance=600000.0000

 

 

[NavMesh]

fCoverSideHighAlpha=0.8000

fCoverSideLowAlpha=0.6500

fEdgeDistFromVert=10.0000

fEdgeFullAlpha=1.0000

fEdgeHighAlpha=0.7500

fEdgeLowAlpha=0.5000

fEdgeThickness=10.0000

fLedgeBoxHalfHeight=25.0000

fObstacleAlpha=0.5000

fPointSize=2.5000

fTriangleFullAlpha=0.7000

fTriangleHighAlpha=0.3500

fTriangleLowAlpha=0.2000

 

 

[Particles]

iMaxDesired=3000

 

 

[saveGame]

fAutosaveEveryXMins=15.0000

 

 

[TerrainManager]

bShowLODInEditor=1

fBlockLevel0Distance=46443.0000

fBlockLevel1Distance=69665.0000

fBlockMaximumDistance=92887.0000

fSplitDistanceMult=1.0890

fTreeLoadDistance=46443.0000

 

 

[Trees]

bRenderSkinnedTrees=1

uiMaxSkinnedTreesToRender=200

 

 

[Water]

bUseWaterDepth=1

bUseWaterDisplacements=1

bUseWaterReflections=1

bUseWaterRefractions=1

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks, and I would definitely appreciate some help!  

Edited March 14, 2020 by TechAngel85

[Greg]

Have you tried increasing DefaultHeapInitialAllocMB in skse.ini? I think 768 is the minimum that should be used for this setting. If you already have it set to 768, you might try increasing it to 1024 to see if it helps.

[Memory]
DefaultHeapInitialAllocMB=768
ScrapHeapSizeMB=256

[Martimius]

Hey Greg, thanks for the reply.

 

I don't believe I even have an entry for that.

 

My SKSE ini is currently like this:

 

[Display]

iTintTextureResolution=2048

 

[Debug] 

WriteMinidumps=0

[Greg]

I don't have Skyrim SE setup with SKSE at the moment, so that setting may be only for Skyrim LE. My mom's in the hospital so it may be a fewweeks before I can get into the groove with Skyrim SE.

[Martimius]

Alright.

 

Wishing the best! 

[Martimius]

Does anyone have other tips or suggestions though? I played a new test save recently for about an hour without any ILS on cell transition or fast travel. Logical deduction would point to my current save being corrupted, but I don't know how that could be the case exactly. I haven't uninstalled any mods since the start of the playthrough, and the biggest change I'd say was updating DynDOLOD.

[Martimius]

Old-ish thread but I'd like to say I've been running into this issue again, even upon starting a new save. It didn't start right away though, only when I clocked in a bunch of hours and my character was Level 10. Happened twice while I was fast travelling already. A quick note though- the background ambience and music still seems to play in this ILS state, with the loading screen pointers still cycling through normally. 

 

This is gonna be a hard thing to troubleshoot since on all the new test saves I've tried, I didn't get any issues; only on saves that were getting older, like this recent one. 

 

No mod uninstalls or anything like that on this save too.

Edited March 14, 2020 by Martimius

[Greg]

Just looking over your load order, you have a large number of script-heavy plugins so I have to wonder if this may be causing or exacerbating the issue.

[Martimius]

Just looking over your load order, you have a large number of script-heavy plugins so I have to wonder if this may be causing or exacerbating the issue.

I've already done away with a bunch of plugins though (Legacy of the Dragonborn, OSA, a lot of other smaller ones). Regardless I'll try to see which plugins I can disable via MCM on this current playthrough.

 

I've already tried disabling Wet and Cold but even that wasn't enough lol. 

 

Current LO: https://modwat.ch/u/Martimius2/plugins

 

EDIT: I've disabled iNeed since that's probably one of the more resource intensive ones. I do have others like TK Dodge and Ultimate Combat, but they only add to script and game load during combat.

Edited March 15, 2020 by Martimius

[Nazgore]

Hey Martimius, this issue seems very familiar to me, I have been pulling my remaining hairs out left and right but you might want to look at this post by aers, or a glance there's a TLDR at the bottom:

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/skyrimmods/comments/ag4wm7/psa_the_reference_handle_cap_or_diagnosing_one_of/?sort=new

[Martimius]

Thanks, I’ll read it!

[Martimius]

I used the script and it said my load order has a total of 201722 references. Nowehere near the suggested warning limit of 900k according to aers, so I don't think my problem could lie there.

[sattyre]

I also am having occasional infinite loading screens.  There doesn't seem to be any ryme or reason or common denominator other then playing for a time.  It takes a while of playing normally, though I just had one that was rather earlier then the usual.  1/2 an hour as opposed to the normal, of over 2 hours of play.  Only a level 5 character.  I also don't believe it is texture/mesh related.  I have a fairly heavily modded game, probably around 350 or more esps merged to 215 there-abouts  I also am running dyndolod.  I find it happens mostly on cell changes though not always.  The not always ones are fairly rare though.  I will expand my load order and post it here in a spoiler tag in case someone is working on this and it is helpful.  I just thought I would contribute to the conversation.  Well I guess the count is actually 436 esps.  If there does seem to be some weirdness to the load order such as a patch being above it's master, that is probably an expanded merge.  I couldn't order the merges after expanding them without a crapload of extra work, but I did put them just above the merged esp in the load order.

I don't believe i have a lot of heavily scripted mods.  No needs or frostfall types.

 

 

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HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
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RSkyrimChildren.esm
UHDAP - en0.esp
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UHDAP - en2.esp
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UHDAP - MusicHQ.esp
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Unofficial Skyrim Modders Patch.esp
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DynDOLOD.esm
UnlimitedBookshelves.esp
SkyUI_SE.esp
Enlightened College of Winterhold.esp
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Less Tedious Thieves Guild.esp
SmartTraining.esp
SOSRaceMenu.esp
RBS2020.esp
AddItemMenuSE.esp
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SimplyKnock.esp
RaceMenu.esp
XPMSE.esp
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CBBE.esp
RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
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Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
AHZmoreHUD.esp
RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp
GDOS - Splendid Mechanized Dwemer Door.esp
CC'sEnhancedOreVeinsSSE-HearthfirePatch.esp
WiZkiD Lootable FireWood Piles.esp
Medieval Lanterns of Skyrim.esp
Clef - MJ's Fort Dawnguard.esp
3DNPC.esp
EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
3DNPC0.esp
SolitudeBluePalace.esp
Enhanced Landscapes - Dead Marsh.esp
Cutting Room Floor.esp
Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
Weapons Armor Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
OCW_Obscure's_CollegeofWinterhold.esp
Usable lantern.esp
Book Covers Skyrim.esp
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WRV2 - Alpine Forest of Whiterun Valley Patch.esp
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Solitude Expansion.esp
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Enhanced Ships of Solitude SSE.esp
Enhanced Solitude Cherry Trees SSE.esp
Enhanced Solitude Expansion SSE.esp
Enhanced Solitude SSE USSEP Patch.esp
Enhanced Trees of Solitude SSE.esp
Solitude USSEP patch.esp
TFoS Hand Placed Unique Trees for Enhanced Solitude Expansion SSE.esp
Complete Solitude.esp
360WalkandRunPlus-RunBackwardSpeedAdjust.esp
Acquisitive Soul Gems - USSEP patch.esp
AcquisitiveSoulGemMultithreaded.esp
AutoHideAmmo.esp
Collars 2 ingots - Ebony.esp
CRF - Particle for ENB patch.esp
CRF - TCIY patch.esp
Dangerous Spell Comments Removed.esp
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EyesFix.esp
ImperialSoldiersEscortFix.esp
Infinite Torch.esp
JiubQuestMarkers.esp
MannequinStayPut.esp
Move it Dammit - Less Wait Time and Follow Me Closer.esp
NoBSAIProjectileDodge.esp
Particle Patch for ENB SSE.esp
PyP_LE+CRF.esp
Runandwalkpaces.esp
Sensible Crime Reporting.esp
SparklesSE.esp
TheChoiceIsYours.esp
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WM Flora Fixes.esp
Various Fixes Merge.esp
The Great City of Falkreath.esp
Enhanced Landscapes Oaks Standalone.esp
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My Home Is Your Home.esp
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Windhelm Exterior Altered.esp
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Point The Way.esp
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SkyrimIsWindy.esp
Chicken Butthurt.esp
UniqueBorderGates-All.esp
3DNPC - Winterhold Mods Patch.esp
AddChoices01.esp
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Bag of Holding.esp
Bleak Falls Bypass.esp
bloodbond.esp
Dawnguard&VolkiharArtifactsQuests.esp
edit_LearnEffects.esp
Enhanced Dead Marsh - Complete Solitude.esp
Enhanced LandscapeOakStandalone - Complete Solitude patch.esp
Enhanced Oak - Cutting Room Floor Patch.esp
Expanded Dawnguard Map Markers 1.1.esp
Flexible Movement Speed.esp
Flora Fixes for Chicken Butthurt patch.esp
GreaterSaarthal.esp
HoldBorderBanners.esp
Immersive Hold Banners - Enh Oak Standalone patch.esp
mcgFemaleWalk for SkyrimSE.esp
Trivial Smelters Granite Hill.esp
Trivial Smelters Morthal 3DNPC.esp
Trivial Smelters Rorikstead.esp
UniqueBorderGates-All-PointTheWay.esp
WhiterunValley - Point the Way patch.esp
Middle Miscellaneous Merge.esp
Windhelm Bridge Overhaul.esp
WhiterunAddition.esp
RSChildren.esp
JKs Windhelm.esp
SnowhawkRuins.esp
Inconsequential NPCs.esp
TheDBInitiates.esp
AnnaWinterhold.esp
OpulentThievesGuildPatch.esp
zMirai.esp
Skyrim Better Roads and Bridges - All In One - Merged.esp
The Great City of Morthal.esp
SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp
SeranaDialogAddon.esp
BattleBrothers.esp
BBD_AllTrainers.esp
EmberMiners.esp
Flower Girls NPC Overhaul.esp
FlowerGirls SE - Volcanic.esp
FlowerGirls Threesome Fix SE.esp
inpc_FlowerGirls_patch.esp
SDA-AA Patch.esp
FlowerGirls & NPC Addons Merge.esp
JKs Riften.esp
SL01AmuletsSkyrim.esp
JK's Riverwood.esp
Whiterun Take Two.esp
Keld-Nar.esp
JKs Markarth.esp
TacticalValtheim.esp
Flower Girls NPC Relationships.esp
Immersive Patrols II.esp
AHZBetterDGEntranceSE.esp
Milos Hot Springs.esp
Mystic Condenser.esp
EmbersHD.esp
Shor's Stone.esp
Asker Assassin.esp
calyps-bosmer.esp
Cassandra Frost Witch - Clothing.esp
Cassandra Frost Witch.esp
Daedric Dawnbreaker.esp
DenassaG_MageRobes.esp
DragonboneCrossbow.esp
DX Druid Armor.esp
Emfy Cleric Robes.esp
FS_UltimateAssortment.esp
GirlHeavyArmor.esp
Guild Duelist Armor.esp
Lustmord Vampire Armor Replacer.esp
LustmordVampireArmor.esp
Silver_Arrows.esp
Silverlight Armor.esp
SkinTight Dragon Wear.esp
TGLNordArmor.esp
TMBVanillaArmorandClothes.esp
Warhammer Sorceress Robes.esp
Weapons and Armor Merge.esp
Enhanced Dead Marsh - Snowhawk Ruins patch.esp
WRV2 - Cutting Room Floor Patch.esp
DreadmystHollow.esp
Windhelm Bridge Overhaul - Patch for Windhelm Exterior Altered.esp
Book Covers Skyrim - Lost Library.esp
Dibellan Holds.esp
Another Whiterun Patch.esp
Sky City.esp
DawnofMarkarth.esp
radiantBlocker.esp
FlowerGirls SE - Adventures.esp
QuestsAreInSkyrimUSSEP.esp
Radiant -Skyquests.esp
Mirai - JK Markarth patch.esp
Mirai Clothing Fixes.esp
Mirai Grows Up.esp
Mirai Merge.esp
A Lot More Idle Marker.esp
Map Markers Complete.esp
College students.esp
CollegeModifications.esp
CoW Bridge Fix.esp
CoW Entry Requirements.esp
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MCWT_ACollegeCoup.esp
MCWT_ACollegeCoup_3DNs.esp
MCWT_ACollegeCoup_ICNs_OE.esp
MCWT_ACollegeCoup_OCW.esp
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MCWT_DeadDunmerDelivery.esp
MCWT_ExpiditeTheExpirate.esp
MCWT_FriendlyFaralda.esp
MCWT_GovernableGatekeeper.esp
MCWT_MageLightMaintenance.esp
MCWT_TheAugursAdmonishment.esp
MCWT_UnflappableFaculty.esp
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OCW_BCS-LL_FEPatch.esp
OCW_BCS_FEPatch.esp
OCW_CellSettings.esp
OCW_CM_FEPatch.esp
OCW_ECW_FEPatch.esp
OCW_ICNs_OE_FEPatch.esp
OCW_MC_FEPatch.esp
OCW_MMC_FEPatch.esp
OCW_MusicPatch_VanillaPlus.esp
OCW_QaiS_FEPatch.esp
OCW_WACCF_FEPatch.esp
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Kynesgrove.esp
Helarchen Creek.esp
Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
Soljund's Sinkhole.esp
Karthwasten.esp
3DNPCs - Arthmoors Villages Patch.esp
EmbersHD - City Patches.esp
Trivial Smelters Riften.esp
Xymena.esp
CRF - Gaurd Dialogue overhaul patch.esp
USMP Gaurd Dialogue Overhaul patch.esp
Enhanced Vanilla Trees SSE.esp
TimingIsEverything.esp
Better Skill and Quest Books Names SE.esp
Qw_BookCoversSkyrim_CRF Patch.esp
Book Covers - TCIY patch.esp
LeftHandRings.esp
Racial Body Morphs.esp
DSerArcheryGameplayOverhaul.esp
DianaVampire2017Asherz.esp
Snowbound Acres.esp
Dragon Bridge.esp
Dragonborn Crafting Hall SE.esp
AzuraShrineExtra.esp
UniqueBorderGates-All-BetterDGEntrance.esp
GunnarTomb.esp
AnfangrumsPit.esp
GDOS - Glorious Solitude Door - Rotation Fix.esp
CaesiaFollower.esp
high hrothgar overhaul.esp
SunDaytimeSouth.esp
Better Dynamic Snow.esp
MajesticMountains.esp
Cathedral Landscapes.esp
NoGrassias.esp
Northside Tweaks.esp
Better Dynamic Snow - Snowy Farmhouses.esp
BDS - MM Patch.esp
Skyrim Save System Overhaul.esp
FNIS.esp
BlendedRoads.esp
PP_OgmundsTomb.esp
AHZBetterDGEntranceSE-ELFXPatch.esp
PP_WindcallerPass.esp
JaxonzMCMKicker.esp
Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp
Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remastered.esp
CCOR-LHRM Patch Master.esp
Faction Crossbows.esp
Faction Crossbows_CCOR_Patch.esp
GTDPBSkyforgeServicesV1.2.esp
KatanaCrafting.esp
KatanaCrafting_CCOR_Patch.esp
KatanaCrafting_WACCF_Patch.esp
SL01AmuletsSkyrim_CCOR_Patch.esp
Unique Uniques_CCOR_Patch.esp
Unique Uniques_WACCF_Patch.esp
USMP - CCOR - Unlimited Bookshelves.esp
WACCF_BashedPatchLvlListFix.esp
Complete Crafting Patches Merge.esp
Smithing Perks Overhaul SE.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
The Great City of Falkreath ICAO Patch.esp
Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
Blue Palace ELFX Patch SE.esp
Clef - MJ's Fort Dawnguard - ELFX Patch.esp
Harvestable Hanging Taproot.esp
Harvestable mammoth skull Patch.esp
HarvestableMammothSkulls.esp
No locking Dwemer Gates.esp
Qw_WACCF_CRF Patch.esp
Qw_WACCF_RSChildren Patch.esp
Usable Lantern - Lighting -  ELFX.esp
Whiterun Valley - RS Children patch.esp
ELFX & Harvest Merge.esp
Whistling Mine.esp
Settlements Expanded SE.esp
CFTO.esp
Infinite Gold For Merchants.esp
Convenient Horses.esp
Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp
Misc Dialogue Edits.esp
More Dialogue Options.esp
MoreToSay.esp
Serana Dialogue Edit.esp
Dialogue Merge.esp
Andromeda Convenient Horses Patch.esp
CFTO - Immersive Citizens Patch.esp
CRF - ELFX patch.esp
Inconsequential NPCs - Carriage and Ferry Travel Overhaul Patch.esp
Inconsequential NPCs - CFTO.esp
Inconsequential NPCs - CRF Patch.esp
Inconsequential NPCs - ELFX patch.esp
Ivarstead Oz - ELFX patch.esp
Raven Rock - Fix Exit on Horseback.esp
Settlements Expanded - ELFX patch.esp
Settlements Expanded - USMP patch.esp
Settlements Expanded SE - CFTO Patch.esp
Settlements Expanded SE - Inns and Taverns AIO Patch.esp
Settlements Expanded SE - Skyrim Better Roads and Bridges Patch.esp
Settlements Expanded SE - Soljunds Sinkhole Patch.esp
Settlements Expanded SE - Whistling Mine Patch.esp
TGCoMorthal - Immersive Citizen patch.esp
The Great City of Falkreath - CFTO Patch.esp
The Great City of Morthal - CFTO Patch.esp
WACCF -  CRF Patch.esp
CFTO & Settlements Merge.esp
Darkwater Crossing.esp
Dawnstar.esp
Fall of Granite Hill.esp
BetterSkillsandQuest - BookCoversSkyrim-TCIY patch.esp
Blue Palace Patch.esp
FlowerGirls - RDO Patch.esp
Immersive Hold Borders Patch.esp
Inconsequential NPCs - Immersive Citizens patch.esp
Inns and Taverns - Fall of Granite Hill patch.esp
Mystic Condensor Patch.esp
NotThatDangerous.esp
RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp
RDO - Infinite Gold for Merchants patch.esp
Windhelm Ext. Altered - Immersive Citizen patch.esp
Immersive Citizens RDO & patches Merge.esp
Provincial Courier Service.esp
WRV2 - Provincial Courier Patch.esp
Rorikstead.esp
nwsFollowerFramework.esp
Wizkid Firewood Stacks.esp
RealisticWaterTwo.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Watercolor.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Waves.esp
RWT - Lakes Addon.esp
3DNPC_FrogCustom_Amalee.esp
3DNPC_FrogCustom_Zora.esp
Astrid the Assassin.esp
Babette has Fangs.esp
Bijin NPCs.esp
Bijin Warmaidens.esp
Bijin Wives.esp
College of Winterhold NPC Impovement.esp
Cuyima 3DNPC - Redone.esp
FHH_LEGENDARY_VE_USSEP.esp
Fresh Faces - USSEP.esp
Freya.esp
GK-Valerica.esp
IB - All-in-One.esp
Jampion NPCs.esp
KaliliesNPCs.esp
KarliahNoHood.esp
Livanei_HusbandEdits.esp
Lynly Star-Sung.esp
Males of Skyrim.esp
MbM_Companions_ME_SSE.esp
Men of Winter.esp
Metalsabers Beautiful Orcs of Skyrim.esp
NorthBourne NPCs.esp
Onmund.esp
PAN_LethalLadies.esp
PAN_NPCs.esp
PAN_NPCs_DB.esp
PAN_NPCs_DG.esp
RS Children NPCs.esp
RSC 3DNPC Patch.esp
RSC CRF Patch.esp
RSC Enhanced Solitude Patch.esp
RSC IncNPC.esp
RSC Keld-Nar Patch.esp
RSC Settlements Expanded SE Patch.esp
RSC Solitude Expansion Patch.esp
RSC_USSEP_AventusFix.esp
SennaNoHood - Bijin Wives.esp
Serana.esp
TCoW Improvement.esp
The Ordinary Women.esp
TheDBInitiates NPCs.esp
TMThalmorOverhaul.esp
WICO - Immersive Dawnguard.esp
WICO - Immersive People.esp
NPC Retexture Merge.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
SSEmerged patch.esp
Smashed Patch.esp
DynDOLOD.esp
Occlusion.esp

 

Edited June 8, 2020 by sattyre

[froztee]

Has anybody found a possible solution? This is driving me nuts as well.

[sattyre]

so far what i picked up from Martimius'  and my load order is Mirai follower,  we both have a lot of dialogue mods we both use medieval lanterns, better dynamic snow, Arthmoor's villages, Archery gameplay overhaul, N follower framework, sexlab amorous adventures and a lot of others, but these stick out for some reason.  So froztee if you post your load order, maybe we can get to the bottom of it.