Skyrim Revisited Pre-Release Feedback

[Darth_mathias]

This mod might be worth a look for consideratio for adding to SRLE https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/13241/?

[Neovalen]

Vividian Extended should always be below the base Vividian plugin... thats how LOOT sorts it for me... interesting.

[darkside]

  On 11/24/2015 at 9:45 AM, Neovalen said:

Vividian Extended should always be below the base Vividian plugin... thats how LOOT sorts it for me... interesting.

LOOT sorted Vividian Extended before Vividian base plugin for me. 

[Nebulous112]

Note that with the newer LOOT versions, it will not move plug-ins if it finds no issues. This can lead to completely different load orders using the same plug-ins.

 

Specific load order will depend on how the plug-ins were ordered before LOOT was ran.

 

Not sure if that's the issue here, but just a heads-up.

[Astakos]

Neo, just a recommendation...

 

As many users are adding mods on top of SR:LE or not using some mods of SR:LE or even merging mods that are not yet merged in SR:LE; I think it will be a good idea if you could share your LOOT order somewhere in the guide for comparison/troubleshooting purposes. It may solve some of the questions asked.

 

Thanks! 

[Neovalen]

  On 11/24/2015 at 2:00 PM, Nebulous112 said:

Note that with the newer LOOT versions, it will not move plug-ins if it finds no issues. This can lead to completely different load orders using the same plug-ins.

 

Specific load order will depend on how the plug-ins were ordered before LOOT was ran.

 

Not sure if that's the issue here, but just a heads-up.

If so, that is ridiculously annoying as it means you will need explicit rules set up 100% of the time if needed... i.e. you can't assume the underlying order will remain the same. In other words, BOSS would be less work...

  On 11/24/2015 at 3:54 PM, Astakos said:

Neo, just a recommendation...

 

As many users are adding mods on top of SR:LE or not using some mods of SR:LE or even merging mods that are not yet merged in SR:LE; I think it will be a good idea if you could share your LOOT order somewhere in the guide for comparison/troubleshooting purposes. It may solve some of the questions asked.

 

Thanks! 

Here is my plugins.txt from Mod Organizer

 

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# This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer.

Skyrim.esm

Update.esm

Dawnguard.esm

HearthFires.esm

Dragonborn.esm

Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp

Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm

Falskaar.esm

Wyrmstooth.esp

EFFCore.esm

RSkyrimChildren.esm

Campfire.esm

ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

notice board.esp

Cutting Room Floor.esp

DSAMG - Miraak Music Fixes.esp

Better Dynamic Snow.esp

mintylightningmod.esp

FISS.esp

AMatterOfTime.esp

AshRocks.esp

Auto Unequip Ammo.esp

Chesko_WearableLantern.esp

SkyUI.esp

Dual Sheath Redux.esp

EpisodeParallax.esp

MoonGlow.esp

ORM-Arvak.esp

RUSTIC SOULGEMS - Unsorted.esp

SulfurRocks.esp

WondersofWeather.esp

Footprints.esp

RaceMenu.esp

RaceMenuPlugin.esp

towConversation.esp

UIExtensions.esp

AHZmoreHUD.esp

Extended UI.esp

iHUD.esp

EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

ELFX - Exteriors.esp

ELFX - Dragonborn.esp

ELFX - Dawnguard.esp

Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp

Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp

Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp

OBIS.esp

BetterQuestObjectives.esp

Thieves Guild Requirements.esp

NPC Knockout Overhaul.esp

aMidianBorn_ContentAddon.esp

Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp

WetandCold.esp

Book Covers Skyrim.esp

RealisticRoomRental.esp

RealShelter.esp

Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp

Holidays.esp

Point The Way.esp

RelightingSkyrim-FULL.esp

BFT Ships and Carriages.esp

WATER Plants.esp

RealisticWaterTwo.esp

AOS.esp

Traps Are Dangerous.esp

WM Trap Fixes.esp

WM Flora Fixes.esp

Complete Alchemy & Cooking Overhaul.esp

WAF_CCF_SIC Patch.esp

NightingaleArrows.esp

High Level Enemies - SIC.esp

High Level Enemies - SIC Falskaar.esp

Bathing in Skyrim - Merged.esp

imp_helm_legend.esp

SkyrimCoinReplacerRedux.esp

RRR_ELFX-Patch.esp

RBB - SR Merge.esp

TheChoiceIsYours.esp

SMIM-Merged-All.esp

Atlas Legendary.esp

SFO - Dragonborn.esp

Bring Out Your Dead - Legendary Edition.esp

Immersive Patrols II.esp

DSAMG - Greybeard Fix.esp

OBISDB.esp

GuardAnimationsGDO.esp

Convenient Horses.esp

ORM Convenient Alsvid.esp

TheChoiceIsYours_Dragonborn.esp

Better Vampires.esp

BFSEffects.esp

VioLens.esp

dD-No Spinning Death Animation Merged.esp

Beards.esp

Brows.esp

NB-Scars.esp

TheEyesOfBeauty.esp

The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp

FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp

EFFDialogue.esp

dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp

Atlas Compass Tweaks.esp

CCO_SIC_Patch.esp

RSChildren - CRF Patch.esp

MatureSkinComplexions.esp

XPMSE.esp

Dual Wield Parrying_SKSE.esp

TradeBarter.esp

RaceMenuOverlays.esp

Mage Outfit Texture Overhaul.esp

Wyrmstooth - Notice Board.esp

Falskaar - Notice Board.esp

Brevi_MoonlightTalesEssentials.esp

Moss Rocks - Legendary.esp

WetandCold - Ashes.esp

FNIS.esp

Book Covers Skyrim - Lost Library.esp

Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp

Frostfall.esp

Provincial Courier Service.esp

TimingIsEverything.esp

BooksOfSkyrim.esp

PilgrimsDelight.esp

The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp

HoldBorderBanners.esp

DeadlyDragons.esp

dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

dD-DG-DB-Immersive Creatures EBT Patch.esp

PreventsAccidentPickUp.esp

iNeed.esp

Gildergreen Regrown.esp

TheChoiceIsYours_Dawnguard.esp

DeadlySpellImpacts.esp

notice board - dragonborn patch.esp

RSChildren_CompleteUSKP.esp

CoT - Patches.esp

Vividian ENB.esp

Vividian ENB - Extended Weathers.esp

CACO - Patches.esp

Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

BetterQuestObjectives - Patches.esp

Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp

Immersive Citizens - RRR patch.esp

Immersive Citizens - CRF patch.esp

Immersive Citizens - PCS patch.esp

ELE_Legendary_Fs_Wt_Lite.esp

SR Conflict Resolution.esp

Bashed Patch, 0.esp

DynDOLOD.esp

RSPatch.esp

Vivid Snow Physical.esp

ASIS-Dependency.esp

ASIS.esp

Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp

 

 

 

Please let me know how it compares in relative order with yours.

[Nebulous112]

FYI, from LOOT readme:

 

  LOOT 7.0 Changelog said:

Depending on the plugins involved, sorting could produce a different load order every time it was run. Sorting now produces unchanging load orders, using existing load order position where there is no reason to move a plugin.

Basically, the way I understand it (which could be wrong), is that if LOOT doesn't think a plug in needs to be moved, it won't move it. For plug-ins that have no rules per-se, this may be an issue.

 

Again, I'm unsure if it has anything to do with the above specific issue. But I have noticed in the past, completely deleting a mod from MO, then re-downloading it, it did not go back to it's previous normal spot in the middle of the load order after running LOOT, because LOOT didn't see an issue with it being placed near the bottom.

 

Not an issue with most mods, but could be an issue with some.

[Ogham]

... I'm not gonna upload my txt, but, since I hardly deviate from SR-LE I'm seriously confused to see my list all a shambles in regards to yours Neo.

Edited November 24, 2015 by Ogham

[Neovalen]

  On 11/24/2015 at 10:58 PM, Ogham said:

... I'm not gonna upload my txt, but, since I hardly deviate from SR-LE I'm seriously confused to see my list all a shambles in regards to yours Neo.

It's LOOT, basically. It'll produce different load orders for each user and is therefore not consistent... ug.

 

The problem is, what to do about it. I don't want to add a rule for all plugins...

[myarta]

Doesn't LOOT assess conflicts? If two files don't collide, their exact order doesn't matter, right? Or is it actually making changes such that the conflict winners change from person to person?

[Nebulous112]

  On 11/25/2015 at 12:05 AM, Neovalen said:

It's LOOT, basically. It'll produce different load orders for each user and is therefore not consistent... ug.

 

The problem is, what to do about it. I don't want to add a rule for all plugins...

LOOT does have an issue reporting feature for their rule masterlists on their GitHub page. It's a separate repository from the main LOOT branch for each game. If the updates make sense generally and arent't specific only for SR:LE, I'm sure they'll be looked at. I think a person can also update the masterlist themselves, but I'm not sure if it's through a pull request or if anyone can just merge.

 

This is the link to the Skyrim repository: https://github.com/loot/skyrim

[Neovalen]

The problem is I only have my load order to work with and it works fine. Unfortunately that means I cannot guarantee user a, b, c, d will have the same end result.

 

Also makes it hard to know if a general rule is needed.

[GrantSP]

  On 11/25/2015 at 1:02 AM, Neovalen said:

The problem is I only have my load order to work with and it works fine. Unfortunately that means I cannot guarantee user a, b, c, d will have the same end result.

 

Also makes it hard to know if a general rule is needed.

@Neo it's just your old "BOSS thinking" lingering in your mind, there really isn't any reason to worry overtly about the order LOOT produces. So long as you tell users to run LOOT you will be assured there will be no conflict issues.

[Neovalen]

  On 11/25/2015 at 1:57 AM, GrantSP said:

@Neo it's just your old "BOSS thinking" lingering in your mind, there really isn't any reason to worry overtly about the order LOOT produces. So long as you tell users to run LOOT you will be assured there will be no conflict issues.

You forgot the /sarcasm on your post... lol.

[GrantSP]

I genuinely wasn't wanting to sound sarcastic. I only mentioned it because when I first started using LOOT I made a lot of noise about the "wrong" orders that it produced until I actually examined what it was in fact producing and found no issues at all.

If I've hit a nerve then I unreservedly apologise.