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you are not running Xfire are you? Note that I include Win baseline in the guide, so Aero has little effect. Also, consider your combined VRAM. Helgen is a bad compare. Go to the position at top of steps in whiterun. Lastly, HRDLC (or any texture overhaul affecting terrain) will account for about (guess) 80%+ of VRAM. Most other installs are simply overwriting or overriding those. Also consider your shadows, AA, AS, view dist, uGrids, etc. I run at 4x AA and 8X AS, High and 5 respectively (will add that to the guide if it is not already)

Ahhhh NOW I get it :P Yep that one is only for admin, but we can add wiki editors as well I think.

You can check ATI VRAM using GPU-z, so not sure where you got your info ....Hrm interesting. It has a bar for it, now to do a little testing. I actually got that info by looking up "ATI VRAM Monitoring" on Google awhile back. Several sources reported (and I just verified this data is still out there from mid 2011) that you can't monitor physical vram on ATI, only Nvidia. I'll definetly be giving this a shot, perhaps ATI fixed the issue. Indeed they did, as the entire DDSopt guide is dependent upon that fact... and I actually have been doing on my box for awhile now ;)

@doveman You need to review the official DDSopt doc. Then you would have an idea about why the fuller tree foliage is a manifestation of less-than-ideal mipmap scaling. The ground diff in widhelm is fairly striking. You have to load the images in your browser (or better yet, you desktop) and switch back & forth quickly. I cannot find any justification to NOT run all vanilla through DDSopt, as Vano89 is not a complete set of vanilla AND he has purposefully chosen reduced mipmap thresholds as his max textures in many cases. I will test to settle once and for all for those two examples, but regardless, there will be many subtle effects of DDSopt that I am not even aware of. For further examples, go out to the guide and look at the diffs between STD/OSTD and HRDLC/OHRDLC, using the back & forth method I described. You will see many subtle diffs that are largely reflective of mipmap adjustments I believe.

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You can check ATI VRAM using GPU-z, so not sure where you got your info ....

never touched it, but s4n has XP I think

DDSopt is doing quite a bit more I think. The other optimizers are a mystery to me, as their doc kind of, well, sucks (last I checked)

Sounds like an add-in for the troubleshooting guide?

I think that you picked the right place. I also added a note to users redirected from that part of the SIG to get them into the DDSopt workflow correctly.

Yes, need to download those and replace originals.

Ahh, but here is the real kicker: DDSopt actually IMPROVES some of the vanilla textures. I still have to verify IF these kinds of corrections are apparent in Vano89's Optimized (evidence of DDSopt), but for ex. fir trees in vanilla are wrong, and this is corrected by DDSopt'imization. This is a result of the mipmap adjustments that DDSopt makes to images as they are reduced. You can see the differences:Vanilla HRDLC before & after DDSopt (load both images and switch back & forth quickly to see the rather large difference. This is not apparent at close-up foliage and more pronounced as foliage distance view increases). Likewise, do the same with these before / after images (look at the ground as you switch back & forth)

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Like the fonts, but the ital parenthesis don't fit. Suggest a symbolic Skyrim image that can be used as brackets.

On another note, i do not seem to have access to the [Guide] prefix, so i have had to make it a [WIP] prefix with [Guide] in the Title . I'll take a look... RE "Guide" "prefix": do you mean "Guide" namespace or "Guides" Category? You should be able to do both. Here is how I would recommend starting a project that is not very useful for a period whilst being initially written/edited (like this one): Create a Project page by simply typing "Project:MyNewGuide" in the address bar after: https://wiki.step-project.com/I suggest adding the following to the new project: Once the guide is far enough along, click the "move" tab and move it to "Guide:MyNewGuide"EDIT: just took a look & see that you already have it all done as above! :confused:

Can you post what was different to the original cmd file as when I ran it night before last Eiwyn hadn't yet posted his file (although it was mentioned on the nexus page he hadn't uploaded it yet so wasnt downloadable). I would prefer to fix it manually if possible so I dont have to go through optimizing the textures all over again. Thanks Simply go to that wiki page and look at the history tab. You can do a direct compare to before/after and it will highlight the difference. ;)

I finalized the bat and can confirm that it is correct and verified. I provided Eiwyn my findings, and he was able to confirm several corrections that I proposed as well as refute a few. Result is that the wiki bat and SIG-DLC methodology for cleaning up the HRCLCs is the best available at the moment (although it looks like Eiwyn updated his bat today as well ;) ). If possible, he tells me that he will try to provide a single point-and-click solution for the HRDLC mess (by teaming up with Hionimi ...)

Check the new methodology under the SIG - DLC for removing redundancies in HRDLC. Will do. For now my issue is DDSOpt/BSAOpt blue screening my computer when trying to put HighResTexturePack01 back into bsa format.HighResTexturePack02 and Skyrim - Textures.bsa did not have issues. I have 6GB system ram, I wouldn't think that would be it but maybe?Edit: It finally went through. I changed nothing but it finally worked after the 4th try/reboot. Very strange... I am guessing that you have a 32-bit system? Note that you get both 32-bit and 64-bit versions of DDSopt. Are you overclocking?

Check the new methodology under the SIG - DLC for removing redundancies in HRDLC.

Missing posts? We are moving all "help me!"-like posts to the "Support/Troubleshooting" forum under the appropriate thread to keep this bug tracker clean. Please do not post anything here that isn't related to a potential bug in STEP 2.1.0c... Thanks!

I will look into making the DDSopt guide more SIG friendly :P

I was talking about STD and HRDLC, not the others like SKYHD where there clearly are substantial gains (in some areas at least, others don't reduce much or at all until going to Hybrid or Hybrid+Vanilla). Fri said it best: "The optimization with ddsopt are completely optional and are intended for the diehard who wants to wring every bit of graphic beauty out without compromising performance."

Looping back is not possible (not would I recommend it if it were). just create in/out directories and all sill be well.

Don't use Driver Sweeper. That is very outdated and no longer maintained. Use the following process instead (if I recall correctly, you have an AMD motherboard?? If so, you should do the following and be prepared to do a clean reinstall of your chipset drivers, as DS likely already blasted & that could be one of your problems): Uninstall AMD Catalyst Suite from Control Panel. Don't Express Unintall if you have an AMD chipset motherboard.Reboot in safe modeOpen Device Manager (Control Panel> System and Security> System> Device Manager). Uninstall all devices in "Display adapters" class. Tick "Delete the Driver Software for this Device" also if available. DON'T right-click "Scan for hardware changes" afterward (do it later, want the Display adapters class to be empty for now). Minimize Device Manager window.Run AMD Catalyst TwL Cleaner 3.9.2.cmd (yes to all) and follow the on-screen instructions. Reboot normally, open device manager, and you should see "Standard Display Adapter" as the display. If not, update the driver to that manually & reboot.ATI display drivers should be better about uninstalling completely these days, but this will ensure that nothing lingers. @Fri, we may want to add this to the Skyrim Installation Guide or the Troubleshooting Guide.

DLC Optimized is still a vital add on even with the DDSopt'ed vanilla textures. In fact, I run it ALL through DDSopt, just because it will not hurt anything, and I am exceedingly anal. Some of Vano's textures ARE affected, so this demonstrates that he either missed a bunch or used different DDSopt settings than I.