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Hishutup Oblivion Guide - Landscape Holes/Seams/Misalignment

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Hi Guys,

 

I've recently finished installation using Hishutup's Oblivion guide. Everything seems good except that I've noticed a few visible seams (some pretty bad) in the areas I've explored.

 

Weye                                  (around the Wawnet Inn and its stable)

Area surrounding Bravil     (to the south, many seams around the more hilly areas)

 

I'm assuming there will be more areas affected and I just haven't seen them yet. Question is, is this a known issue or have I done something wrong?

 

I've followed the guide to the letter in its entirety and haven't installed any other mods that would affect landscape. I'm thinking maybe it's something to do with either load order (which has been managed by BOSS following the guide instructions) or something I've done when building the Bashed Patch.

 

Bashed Patch - I'm not 100% sure of the correct process, but what I did is to mark every single mod as ticked, then allow Bash to auto-deselect any mergeables/importables etc before building the patch. Once done, I then tick any mods that have no selection at all, such as "Better Cities .esp" to make sure they're active in the game.

 

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Update to the edit from my last post:

Yep well disabling the Grass Overhaul ESP has fixed every problem I had with terrain tearing/seams and a couple floating roads.

 

So to the OP, don't bother with the load order/patch I mentioned, just disable the ESP from Grass Overhaul and it should be fixed.

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You posted in the wrong section but that is okay. A lot of people seem to be using the Mythic Dawn Oblivion guide recently which is cool.

 

I used the guide as well and I have the same problem with seams, a couple floating roads, etc. I think this is because Better Cities, Unique Landscapes, and the dozen or so patches needed for both don't want to play well with each other, and considering both have had updates but the guide has not been updated, the problems are to be expected.

 

When you create the Bashed Patch and the window for it pops up, you want to uncheck everything under the 'NoMerge' section.

 

Maybe hishutup can help you, but I think the problems are due to the guide being dated and a lot of the landscape mods having updates and changing things. (So bug him about updating the guide)

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hishutup Emperor

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Thanks Grant

 

Also yes its out dated. I was going to update it when I get a new processor but I got a chair instead.

Anyhow, back to the issue, my first thought is Grass Overhaul's landscape edits, try placing it before better cities and see. If nothing changes then there is probably some conflicting landscape edits.

Its pretty easy to find these but it required some xEdit knowledge.

 

 

I should just write an xEdit script that logs the data. I may do that but not anytime soon because Im working on a different script that is taking a while, a long while.

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While looking back at the guide and the Grass Overhaul mod page, the guide was written for v4.0 and the mod is now v5.1 and includes this patch for Unique Landscapes. I don't remember seeing the patch in the guide so it was probably added in the new version of the mod and will likely fix it.

 

Also the mod author says, "If you are using Roads of Cyrodiil, move that ahead of grass overhaul in the load order to avoid any conflicts."

 

 

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Ahhh...actually the .esp in the current version of Grass Overhaul isn't compatible with Unique Landscapes, and the author has taken down the old version that was. 

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hishutup Emperor

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I've been out of it so long... I think the last time I really looked into anything was before OR, even though OR exists in the guide, that doesnt mean I actually used it.

 

There are several mods that need to be removed, some need to be replaced and other added but yeah...

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Thanks a lot for the quick and informative responses!

 

SynthetikHD - It seems that a lot of mods have some issues with UL - Imperial Isle. I will try the 5.1 version and UL:II patch and report back.

 

Thanks again

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Unfortunately it didn't work, so I've resorted to disabling the .esp - shame really, hopefully there will be some future compatibility patches for Grass Overhaul.

 

I've got a couple of other questions about the guide if that's OK;

 

1) FCOM Addons - it's mentioned to leave these in the install list, but not to enable anything. However, it's never revisited in the guide. What's the purpose of this and can any of them be enabled without issues?

 

2) OR - I see in the feature list of OR that you can enable both MSAA and HDR (Straight from the menu!) but I can't see any instructions on how to actually achieve this. If I try and switch them in the in-game menu I got the same old "Only one can be active, you must restart" message. If I enable HDR in OR (which it is currently) and try to enable MSAA in the Oblivion launcher, my games crashes on startup. It seems I can only start up Oblivion now with HDR selected (so now I have HDR set in both OR and the game itself). I checked the OR posts and readme's but can't find anything about this...

 

@Hishutup - you should really continue the guide, it's truly an impressive piece of work. I can't tell you how many hours I spent trying to achieve a setup similar to this a few years ago and eventually just gave up because of all the incompatibilities I had and fixing one thing broke 5 others. Having a resource like this is a god-send!

Thanks!

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  On 8/10/2015 at 10:08 PM, Sh0dan said:

 

SynthetikHD - It seems that a lot of mods have some issues with UL - Imperial Isle. I will try the 5.1 version and UL:II patch and report back.

  On 8/10/2015 at 10:32 PM, Sh0dan said:

Unfortunately it didn't work, so I've resorted to disabling the .esp - shame really, hopefully there will be some future compatibility patches for Grass Overhaul.

Yes it seems that the patch made by another user linked in the mod description was for when the mod was more or less compatible with UL, but since the new version of Grass Overhaul is completely incompatible with UL (for now), his patch won't fix anything.

 

 

  On 8/10/2015 at 10:32 PM, Sh0dan said:

 

1) FCOM Addons - it's mentioned to leave these in the install list, but not to enable anything. However, it's never revisited in the guide. What's the purpose of this and can any of them be enabled without issues?

Where exactly in the guide is this mentioned? Admittedly I did not install FCOM as I feared it would cause more problems than it was worth, but I cannot find any mention of not enabling any FCOM Addons.

 

 

  On 8/10/2015 at 10:32 PM, Sh0dan said:

 

2) OR - I see in the feature list of OR that you can enable both MSAA and HDR (Straight from the menu!) but I can't see any instructions on how to actually achieve this. If I try and switch them in the in-game menu I got the same old "Only one can be active, you must restart" message. If I enable HDR in OR (which it is currently) and try to enable MSAA in the Oblivion launcher, my games crashes on startup. It seems I can only start up Oblivion now with HDR selected (so now I have HDR set in both OR and the game itself). I checked the OR posts and readme's but can't find anything about this...

This is interesting. I don't think it is possible to enable both in the launcher or in-game menu, so I looked in the OBSE .ini for OR and don't see an option for MSAA there. Not sure how it would be enabled.

 

 

  On 8/10/2015 at 10:32 PM, Sh0dan said:

@Hishutup - you should really continue the guide, it's truly an impressive piece of work. 

It seems that me and Hishutup are planning to update the guide as of now. :)

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Here's the FCOM part I was mentioning >

 

FCOM Optional Add-Ons

  • Author: Team FCOM
  • Version: 1.0
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  • Description:
  • Notes: These are the options that are compatible with FCOM. For right now leave this completely uninstalled but remain in install list.
  • Download:
  • FCOM Optional Add-Ons.7z

 

 

Here is the Oblivion Reloaded page, if you CTRL+F "MSAA" you'll see the notes about it. I'm thinking maybe they just typo'd SMAA as MSAA, but it seems like quite an obvious mistake to not notice. Anyway, I guess that is quite mod specific so if you don't know then no worries. The SMAA does a reasonable job of covering the jaggies.

https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/45749/? 

 

Finally, disabling the Grass Overhaul.esp didn't fully fix my issues in Weye, I'm assuming these are actually related to MTCExpandedVillages as the areas affected have been added/altered directly by MTC.  I'm not sure what exactly it's conflicting with (UL Imperial Isle maybe?) but it seems to be the culprit.

 

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Ah, well I can only assume that the FCOM Optional Add-Ons were meant to be installed last along with the others in the Patch section at the end of the guide. Hishutup possibly knows the answer.

 

But yes the MSAA thing in OR is quite curious, and I'll look into it and a few other things having to do with OR later.

 

As for MTCExpandedVillages, I can't help too much with that as I did not install that mod, but it would make sense since it alters Weye. Did you do the manual cleaning required for the mod?

I wouldn't be too suprised if UL and MTC Villages were conflicting. I wouldn't know how to find out if they are or how to fix it though. :/

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OR used to have SMAA but I guess the author removed it and replaced it with MSAA.

MSAA is by far superior in terms of quality.

 

I had the optionals there for anyone that wanted to use them, I didnt feel the need to use any.

 

I wanted a town overhaul so I threw MTC in there which was probably a bad idea because modifying towns or people in Oblivion kills the fps.

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I downloaded the latest version of OR (2.2) but it seems it still only uses SMAA and not MSAA, even though they mention it in the feature list. Strange this is, I cannot get the game to load now using any setting other than having HDR enabled in the Oblivion launcher. I un-checked Read Only on my INI and tried No HDR+MSAA and then No HDR + No Bloom + No MSAA and it still crashed on load. It would only load when HDR was set in the Launcher... any idea what that is about?

 

Also, if I'm enabling HDR within OR itself - do you still need to enable HDR in the Launcher (if it didn't crash without it, that is) or is it an either/or situation?

 

Another issue I'm having is regarding Oblivion XP. I prefer a minimalist HUD and so I tend to disable anything and everything I don't absolutely need. I've disabled most of OBXP's popups but I cannot get rid of the box that comes up everytime you gain XP. It pops up in the top left and says for example "Mudcrab killed - 36XP".  By deleting almost all of the Oblivion XP XML files, it removed everything except the box itself that still popped up but this time with just the number in it "36". I read through all the documentation but it doesn't really mention this anywhere, I would assume by deleting some XML you can disable that box entirely, but then again maybe it's in the .esp or something? 

 

Thanks!

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HDR is required for TES4LODGen, so I'm assuming you can't play the game without it. And yes, HDR needs to be enabled in the Oblivion.ini/Launcher and I also assume that OR's HDR setting is just its own 'enhanced' version of HDR and that the Oblivion.ini HDR is still required.

 

As for the XP popup I couldn't for the life of me find anything about turning it off on the mod page but I think that it may actually be HUD Alive that is showing the pop ups along with the dozen other intrusive things it adds.

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HDR required for LODGen? Wasn't aware of that, but makes sense then why it crashes. 

 

I'm not using HUD Alive, the only UI type 'addition' I installed was HUD Status Bars, but I ended up deleting the majority of entries in the HUD Status Bars INI that were added by other mods. It was just too much on-screen at any given time. For OBXP - you can disable the 'messages' through it's own INI, but that still leaves a lot of clutter. You can disable some more of that by deleting most of it's XML files in the "Menus" folder. Still, I can't get rid of that box... Maybe I should ask the mod author if they're still around. Either that, or I might have to look at an alternative levelling system.

 

If I look at the OBXP_Strings.XML this seems to contain the majority of text that appears in the popups. For example, here's a snippet of what I assume the box is using >

 

<_ptsRemaining2>Skill Points carried over:</_ptsRemaining2>
 
<_gained>Gained</_gained>
 
<_pts>XP.</_pts>
 
<_restedMsg>Having rested, your wit quickens and you gain experience more quickly. Rested XP:</_restedMsg>
 
<_compQst>Completed the quest</_compQst>
 
<_killed>Killed</_killed>
 
<_actorLvl>level</_actorLvl>
 
<_companion>Companion</_companion>
 
<_killed2>killed</_killed2>
 
<_VELock>Picked a very easy lock.</_VELock>
 
<_ELock>Picked an easy lock.</_ELock>
 
<_MLock>Picked a medium lock.</_MLock>
 
<_HLock>Picked a hard lock.</_HLock>
 
<_VHLock>Picked a very hard lock.</_VHLock>
 
When I delete this file, the box comes up with just the XP number. There must be somewhere where it is calculating the XP and displaying it as a number. If I could find where that is, I could probably disable the popup entirely.
 
Thanks for your continued support!

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