Item Loot Overhauls That Synergize with Requiem?

[osmosys]

Being able to grab glass/dwemmer/ebony gear at level 1 really sucks. Especially from chests that aren't even locked, and with no guards watching! Vanilla Skyrim made it waaay too easy to get super items. Oblivion was even worse, but let's not go there.

 

Mods like Requiem and Morrowloot seem to handle this one pretty well, but I still see flaws in both of them. In Requiem I found a couple chests with no guards that had immersion breaking items in them (this is due to Vanilla, but I think Requem should lock these). I haven't tried Morrowloot, but I doubt it works with Requiem (my main mod) so it's out. It also suffers from a few things like:

 

1. The same items are always everywhere. You get one play through kid. When you start again you'll know where to look... doh

2. It turns off being able to craft higher level items. I like this and I don't like this (I'll explain why).

 

What I do like about Morrowloot:

 

1. There is one set of Daedric, and you gotta hunt it down. Just like Morrowind.

2. It adds some of the old nostalgia uniques to the game from Morrowind (seeing a pattern yet?)

3. Loot is gained logically. So Orc gear from Orcs. Dwemmer gear from Dwemmer ruins. Coherency! :-)

 

In my head this is what the perfect item mod would be:

 

1. An item mod with some statically placed items that "rotate" or "move" to different positions when the game starts. Just so it isn't crazy to manage you could have eight or so presets, and one is chosen randomly when the game starts. This would have to be done with very careful attention to detail.

 

2. An item mod that still has chests that randomly give out loot, but a bit tighter with more guards etc (or guards that will follow you if you are sneaking around which another mod covers). So you can get static items, but sometimes you get a nice random item also.

 

3. An item mod that has one to three sets of daedric in the entire game. One is scattered everywhere, and the other could be worn by an incredibly difficult to kill NPC - thus breaking the main questline (so don't kill him you greedy jerk). The last set could be given out by an INCREDIBLY difficult quest (or not).

 

4. An item mod that still allows you to craft daedric gear, but requires more than just leveling up smithing. A compromise. Maybe a level check requirement? Or maybe you need to assemble the book by finding different pages scattered all over the map? This would make it as difficult - even more difficult - as finding the scattered suit of daedric armor.

 

5. An item mod that has a patch that works with Requiem ;-)

 

6. Lastly make an installer with options like:

 

    Change creature level lists, or disable this change (allowing another mod to take precedence like *cough* Requiem *cough* )

    Lock chests found in easily accessible places? (with a spoiler list included so people can track this easily)

    Add additional guards that work shifts over certain areas? (again with a list)

    Choose your scatter preset 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Random. (again list it)

    Turn on / off craftable daedric gear? Craftable ebony? Etc

    Require difficult to obtain items to be able to craft daedric?

    Remove Daedric from all NPCs except one? (with list)

    Only one set of Daedric scattered? Only three sets of Ebony?

    Install lore friendly unique items from Morrowind? (spoiler list)

    Find lore friendly Morrowind uniques from random preset placements, or from quest objectives? (very optional)

 

That would be killer!

 

 

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I foresee if this mod would have problems like:

 

 

1. Conflicts with any kind of guard overhauls (maybe)

2. The scatter presets sucking. Like one preset is so much more lucky than the other or has bad locations. This takes a lot of patience and hard work to pull off.

3. Players complaining about not being able to find all the daedric on their own. Ha! Keep looking loser!

4. The lore friendly uniques sucking or not lining up with other mods like Requiem.

5. A lock of thoroughness. Some chests with uber gear not being locked or watched. Allowing the player to rush there at the start of the game.

6. The scatter presets leaving items hanging in the air. So one item rotates for another but it's smaller and doesn't place right :/

7. The scatter presets could also break coherency. You can't have a piece of daedric scatter to a dwemmer ruin. You have to have different discrete layers. "Scatter channels."

 

 

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Go make it guys! :-)

 

I can help with testing/qa/design/communication/project mangement/writing.

 

Also for an example of this in Morrowind see:

https://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=5666

 

Morrowloot is here:

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/44212/?

[kryptopyr]

I have too much on my plate right now with trying to finish Complete Crafting Overhaul to tackle a loot mod, but I just wanted to suggest that the scattered items would probably be best done using quest aliases. You can use an alias to select a random location and use conditions to specify the type of location you want or don't want (i.e. no dwemer ruins). You could even set the quest itself so that the items wouldn't be placed in the world until the character reaches a certain level.

[Spock]

Ogerboss probably would like to know about your find :)

[osmosys]

Ogerboss probably would like to know about your find :)

At level 1 I can get 2-3 Dwemmer items with constant effect. No hassle, no guards in view, and no locks.

 

SPOILER ALERT FOR MARKARTH

 

Walk into the throne room hang a left or right and there's two chests. Each is FILLED with stuff, and they randomly give 2-3 items you won't get rid of for at least ten levels or more. No need for iron/steel/ other lower gear. Neither is locked. At night there is no one to catch you either.

 

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So anyway I love requiem, but there really needs to be a decisive "We locked the damn chests, put in more guards, etc" mod. I was running around with a Dwemmer axe that of stamina drain +10 (lol) and a dwemmer bow that makes undead flee for five seconds (lol) and deals extra damage. I still died a lot, but I hardly felt like I earned the weapon, or even had to work hard to get it.

 

Pretty much means I don't need to change primary weapons for a long time... I admit in Morrowind you could do the same, but finding constant effect gear was very difficult.

 

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A bit off topic but in Requiem if you have a quest follower they pretty much mow down every monster for you. Just hide behind them and they will clear the dungeon. They one hit most enemies.

 

If you're shrewd you can use this follower forever - just don't return back to end the quest.

 

:/

[Spock]

Thank you for sharing this, but honestly I think this would be of more use in the Requiem thread at the Nexus.

[alexbeugelsdijk]

Check out immersive loot and cells, it might have some of the features you want

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/24399/?