STEP:Core Proposal

STEP:Core Flowchart

In order to collect everyone's thoughts in one place (and make sure everyone has the correct Wiki editing privileges), here's a list of all the mods in v2.2.6. Make sure you use the sectional "Edit" links or you'll surely have trouble finding the right place to edit. Doing small edits will also (hopefully) prevent a lot of edit conflicts.

On this page, will represent the mod being added to STEP:Core while represents adding the mod to STEP:Extended. For a better understanding of what STEP:Core should consist of, read these posts (and this one).

These concepts are being summarized in the NEW STEP MANDATE, so go there and edit/discuss.

• Under Arguments, bring up any reason to go one way or the other and precede them with "{{icon}}" to generate the icon.
• Under Votes, sign with either "{{icon|type=yes}} ~~~~" or "{{icon|type=no}} ~~~~" (four tildes creates a signature) signifying your opinion on whether the mod should be Core or not.
• {{icon|type=yesyellow}} () signifies an undecided or constitutional vote. Please provide in parentheses ( ... ) your conditions.

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Ancient Nord Armor Fix

Votes

Obvious fix to a Vanilla bug/error. ~FarloTalk 13:46, June 5, 2013 (MDT)

Stoppingby4now (talk) 14:52, June 5, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 11:37, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 22:55, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 05:44, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Kelmych (talk) 18:54, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 19:03, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Appropriately Attired Jarls

We should have our MTs test the uninstallation process before making a final decision.

Votes

Uninstall note on the mods page:

The nature of Skyrim’s scripting language, Papyrus, means that, even following this procedure, your Papyrus log will continue to throw errors about missing scripts, potentially leading to save game bloat. There is, lamentably, nothing that I can do about this -- you have been warned.

Stoppingby4now (talk) 14:56, June 5, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 11:37, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 23:06, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

I am of the belief that this mod can be properly uninstalled by stopping the quest in question and it fixes a glaring hole. Additionally, we do not advise users to install/uninstall mods mid play-through no? Neovalen

I'd like to raise a few points. One, has anyone actually tried uninstalling the mod to see if the papyrus log does throw errors? I know the author mentions it, but I've seen other mods where the warnings seem more dire than the actual reality of the situation. I've taken a look at how this mod was made (the source files were included in the bsa), and it seems very clean. It doesn't make changes or add scripts to existing references, (it uses newly created quests & aliases to apply changes) and none of the scripts have an Update call. The sort of things that I would generally look out for in scripts added by mods don't seem to be present in this mod. Two, if this mod is creating errors on uninstall and we nix it for that reason, then we probably need to evaluate every single mod that contains scripts to make certain they don't also do this. I highly doubt that the issue is specific to this mod, and I don't want to see this mod get removed while we simultaneously decide to keep other mods that create the same issue (but whose mod authors weren't aware of or didn't feel the need to warn others about it). Three, doesn't SKSE's ClearInvalidRegistrations=1 correct just this sort of problem? Maybe the better solution is to include this fix in the guide. Kryptopyr (talk) 09:26, June 18, 2013 (MDT)

(Agree with Neo) Thecompiler (talk) 15:56, June 19, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 18:39, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 19:04, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Argonian Decapitation Fix

Votes

Simple mesh fix, nothing else to it. FarloTalk 22:38, June 5, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 11:38, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:55, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

WilliamImm (talk) 21:47, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 23:06, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 05:52, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Kelmych (talk) 18:40, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 19:04, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Bowlegged Jump Fix

Votes

Simple animation fix ~FarloTalk 22:40, June 5, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 11:38, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 23:06, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 05:42, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

-- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:11, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Kelmych (talk) 18:40, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 19:04, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Brawl Bugs Patch

Votes

Required for a couple other mods. ~FarloTalk 22:48, June 5, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 11:39, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 23:06, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Thecompiler (talk) 00:50, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

if we are keeping Enhanced Blood Textures, that mod seems to overwrite this one completely (and includes fixes from this mod). WilliamImm (talk) 21:25, June 16, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 19:05, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

(unless we include in core the portions of Enhanced Blood textures that overwrite this) Kelmych (talk)

Consistent Older People

Votes

Vanilla fix that was an oversight in development. Techangel85 (talk) 22:22, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 23:06, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 07:24, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

-- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:11, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Kelmych (talk) 18:40, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 19:05, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Cursor Fix

Votes

This is an issue that has annoyed me for a long time! Clear fix. Techangel85 (talk) 21:30, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 23:06, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 07:20, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Kelmych (talk) 18:41, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 19:06, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Dead Body Collision

I haven't had a chance to use this mod enough to feel comfortable voting for it, but my understanding is that the spell is included as a way to fix the potentially game-breaking problem of barricading oneself into a room or other space with no way to get around or through the bodies. If this is the case, and the spell was added to solve a potential problem with the mod, then I feel we should not be recommending the "no spell" version. (krypt)

Votes

Fixes missing collision in vanilla. Only recommend the optional "no spell" version as the main version isn't vanilla friendly because it adds a non-vanilla spell. Techangel85 (talk) 22:48, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 23:06, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

(The spell works with smaller bodies for me but doesn't work for dragons, which are the bodies that cause the most problems. Without the spell the dragons are just there and can be difficult to walk around.) Kelmych (talk) 18:44, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 19:06, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Dual Sheath Redux

Votes

Corrects a vanilla oversight; however, Useful only in third person, conflicts with vanilla skeleton and potentially many other mods ... too complex a change for Core STEP ~z929669 Talk 23:06, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 23:30, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Known issue (#2 point above) Thecompiler (talk) 00:52, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

While excellent for immersion, effect is only visible in 3rd person and requires several other mods to be installed. Best for a pack. WilliamImm (talk) 08:49, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

(great addition for one of the new packs but not core) Kelmych (talk) 18:45, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 19:07, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Elys AltF4

Votes

Essentially this is built into most Windows programs. Why it wasn't built into Skyrim is a mystery. Alt+F4 is the standard close key combination in Windows 8 and is used often. Techangel85 (talk) 11:40, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Also, this plugin allows multimedia function keys (ie: volume up/down) to be used in-game. As a additional effect. WilliamImm (talk) 21:52, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 23:06, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 07:28, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Alt-F4 is standard in all Windows apps, so if it doesn't work then the application is catching the appropriate exception and preventing it from closing. I've never had a need for this, but don't care if it's included either. -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:15, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

(the multimedia keys work for me already, perhaps from another mod I use)Kelmych (talk) 18:56, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 19:07, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Fast Travel Timescale Fix

Votes

An obvious fix. ~z929669 Talk 23:17, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

(no, if it can be done via INI) Techangel85 (talk) 23:34, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but from my quick research, this is possible with an INI tweak by setting fFastTravelSpeedMult to 4. If that's the case, this needs to go into INI tweaks, and this mod needs to go. -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:23, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Actually, this can be set via the console, not the INI; furthermore, it seems that the console setting does not 'stick' beyond the current session. This seems like a valid 'fix' ~z929669 Talk 14:52, June 28, 2013 (MDT)

Just as an FYI, using console command for this setting does not persist in save file... if there is an ini setting, that would be nice. Neovalen (Only if other fix cannot be found...)

(we can easily merge this and other tweaks in the STEP esp plugin, i've did that in my install) Thecompiler (talk) 15:58, June 19, 2013 (MDT)

(I don't think this can be put in an ini file) Kelmych (talk) 18:47, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 19:08, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 18:59, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Fuz Ro D'oh

Votes

Fixes missing voice/lip movement aspects of the game. Techangel85 (talk) 23:50, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 08:36, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 23:39, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

-- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:23, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen (conditionally - if we're not adding any mods that add unvoiced dialogue then it's pointless)

(I have other mods that need this, and to me it fixes a significant Bethesda oversight) Kelmych (talk) 18:57, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 19:08, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Nitpick

Votes

Fixes some game limitations. Techangel85 (talk) 23:41, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 07:53, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 23:46, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

-- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:23, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Kelmych (talk) 18:58, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 19:08, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Skyrim Project Optimization

Votes

Actually boosts game's performance on some systems. Add occlusion planes missing from vanilla, no conflicts, no reason to not include it. Techangel85 (talk) 11:42, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 07:47, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 23:46, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

-- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:24, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Kelmych (talk) 18:58, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 19:09, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Tail Twist Fix

Votes

While unlikely to come up for anyone other than Argonian/beast race players, the fix it does is obvious for those. No conflicts with any other mods as well. WilliamImm (talk) 16:02, June 5, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 11:40, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 07:55, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 23:47, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

-- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:24, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Kelmych (talk) 18:56, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 19:10, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Unofficial Skyrim Patch

Votes

Techangel85 (talk) 00:25, June 7, 2013 (CST)

-- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:56, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 07:30, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

A no brainer ~z929669 Talk 23:52, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Kelmych (talk) 18:47, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 19:11, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Unofficial Dawnguard Patch

Votes

Techangel85 (talk) 00:25, June 7, 2013 (CST)

Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:56, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 07:30, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

A no brainer ~z929669 Talk 23:52, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Kelmych (talk) 18:58, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 19:11, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Unofficial Hearthfire Patch

Votes

Techangel85 (talk) 00:26, June 7, 2013 (CST)

Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:57, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 07:30, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

A no brainer ~z929669 Talk 23:52, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Kelmych (talk) 18:59, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 19:12, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Unofficial Dragonborn Patch

Votes

Techangel85 (talk) 00:26, June 7, 2013 (CST)

Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:57, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 07:31, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

A no brainer ~z929669 Talk 00:22, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Kelmych (talk) 18:59, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 19:15, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Unofficial High Resolution Patch

Votes

Techangel85 (talk) 00:27, June 7, 2013 (CST)

Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:57, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 07:31, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

A no brainer ~z929669 Talk 00:22, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 18:59, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 19:15, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Acquisitive Soul Gems

Votes

Fixes soul trapping, vanilla bug where gems lose their charge, corrects black soul gems use to line up with indicated use from game texts. Techangel85 (talk) 00:00, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Also fixes the issue where player-filled gems didn't change in price and remained priced the same as an empty gem. I just want to point out that this mod does make a non-lore-friendly change in only permitting souls to be captured by white soul gems of correct size. This is inconsistent with the way that soul gems have worked in Oblivion and Morrowind as well as Skyrim, and therefore, I believe this was an intentional choice made by Bethesda and not an oversight. However, I personally feel that the bug fixes made by this mod are significant enough to warrant overlooking this in favor of including the mod in Core STEP. Kryptopyr (talk) 08:33, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Agree that it is not "vanilla", but I see this as one glaring exception to a long-broken aspect of the vanilla game ... originally a "lore mistake" iMO ~z929669 Talk 23:43, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Kelmych (talk) 18:53, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 19:16, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Distant Decal Fix

Votes

No performance loss using this instead of the INI tweak which has a performance hit.

(if USKP fixes this, then it's a no from me) Techangel85 (talk) 00:08, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 08:46, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

I'd like to dee some verification of WI's comment below before axing this one. ~z929669 Talk 00:22, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Agree as redundant with unofficial patches. Neovalen

I messaged Arthmoor and asked why he listed the mod as obsolete, yet not all of it was included in the fixpack. He replied with this:

 There's a significant portion of it which is actually broken, so we list it as obsolete because the USKP only addressed what was really in need of fixing.

So, that settles it for this mod. It shouldn't be included in STEP. (Also, there's your verification, z92) WilliamImm (talk) 23:13, June 21, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 18:52, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 19:17, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Even Better Quest Objectives

Votes

Vanilla quest objectives were really horrible. Remember, I am very open to making compatibility patches when necessary. Only concerns are with ESP limits. WilliamImm (talk) 08:50, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

too many compatibility complications ~z929669 Talk 00:22, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 20:27, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

I think compatibility isn't an issue at all, expecially since we have William on our side. Need another argument to refuse the mod imo (yes as long as it'll cover DB quests as well for continuity) Thecompiler (talk)

There aren't a huge number of mods that directly edit these vanilla quests. And even without a compatibility patch, the worst thing that happens is that the conflicting mod gets installed after EBQO and reverts the objectives back to their vanilla state. Kryptopyr (talk) 14:29, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

I don't doubt it's a plus to the game, but honestly there is nothing wrong with the vanilla objectives. Therefore, I can't call it core myself. Neovalen

You ever tried playing without quest markers, Neo? (William)

(I feel it is very useful but might be better in the new option pack) Kelmych (talk) 18:51, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

I personally think this mod is imperative, as vanilla quest objectives are lacking. Remember, we've played this game a ton...look at it from the perspective of a first time player or not as experienced, this mod adds a lot. However, I do agree that it could be easily included as part of a pack - I'm on the fence if it's considered Core. Solist (talk) 19:20, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Realistic Ragdolls & Force

Votes

Fixes vanilla's unrealistic force with weapons and spells. Conflicts with any mod altering skeleton.nif without a patch. Techangel85 (talk) 00:31, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 00:22, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

-- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:27, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Thecompiler (talk) 05:41, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

If we choose to go with Maximum Skeleton (either in Core or in the official STEP pack), then this mod is a requirement for that one. My vote is yes regardless since I think this mod is a significant improvement over vanilla. Kryptopyr (talk) 14:47, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen (Only if keeping XP32 Skeleton - either we go with a max compatibility skeleton in core or none at all)

(agree with Neo) Kelmych (talk) 18:49, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Since I use the SR setup, I'm in agreement with Neo on all of his points involving skeletons/ragdoll/etc. Solist (talk) 19:33, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

• I converted a few of the votes to "no" since Max Skeleton is not making it into core. (Tech)

Maximum Skeleton

Votes

This could have compatibility ramifications, regardless of the intent of this skeleton to allow compatibility with more mods ... those other mods are mostly tangible deviations from vanilla. STEP-friendly mods don't necessarily play nicely with this afaik. ~z929669 Talk 00:22, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Thecompiler (talk) 00:47, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 20:29, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

-- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:28, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

really depends on if we are keeping Dual Sheath. Marked as adult-only (due to nudity in the images section) WilliamImm (talk) 08:47, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen (If we keep RR&F - then this should be included to maintain compatibility with the vast majority of packs that will be placed on top)

Solist (talk) 19:34, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

(I think this is different enough from vanilla that it should be in the new pack) Kelmych (talk)

Trade & Barter

Votes

The Lite version includes only the fixes details ~z929669 Talk 00:22, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Thecompiler (talk) 00:49, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Kelmych (talk) 18:48, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 19:34, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Not the Lite version, though. The Lite version includes much more than just the fixes. For only the fixes, use the .esp file from the regular version but don't activate the mod in the MCM menu. Kryptopyr (talk) 19:15, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Weapon & Armor Fixes

Votes

This enhances consistency among vanilla weapons and actually 'corrects' several overlooked inconsistencies with regard to weapon stats. ~z929669 Talk 00:22, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Thecompiler (talk) 00:50, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

-- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:28, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Kelmych (talk) 18:49, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 19:35, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 23:33, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

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Altar Descriptions

Votes

This mod does not fix any problems, and the changes it makes are not a clear improvement over vanilla. Many players may find it unnecessary or even immersion-breaking. Kryptopyr (talk) 09:05, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 09:24, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Agree. It is an immersion breaker. ~z929669 Talk 00:37, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

-- Stoppingby4now (talk) 23:47, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Kelmych (talk) 13:26, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Include in a pack. While some of these are immersion breakers, I do feel that some of them also are really great additions that add to the experience. I'd be in favor of an "non-immersion pack" that we put these into; just a thought. Solist (talk) 19:37, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Better Dialogue Controls

Votes

Improves dialogue controls on the PC Techangel85 (talk) 11:42, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 09:09, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 00:43, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

-- Stoppingby4now (talk) 23:48, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

There are alternatives with a few additional features that I prefer and feel should be in one of the STEP packs which would replace this Kelmych (talk) 13:28, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 19:39, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Better MessageBox Controls

Votes

Kryptopyr (talk) 09:09, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Allows menu navigation via the keyboard and improves clickable area of buttons. Techangel85 (talk) 09:28, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 00:43, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

-- Stoppingby4now (talk) 23:48, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Kelmych (talk) 13:29, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 19:39, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Disease Descriptions

Votes

Adds descriptions of the disease you may be affected by. This is not lore/vanilla-friendly. Unless the PC is an alchemist, a doctor, or the illness is common (such as a cold) it is unlikely the PC will know the details this mod adds. Techangel85 (talk) 10:06, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 00:47, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 13:36, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

The diseases, however, did not get any descriptions, other than for gameplay effects. It's entirely possible for me to make a version that just lists the physical symptoms and (some of) the gameplay effects without giving away other information (unless the disease is common). I vouch for disease descriptions in-game because of immersion. WilliamImm (talk) 21:19, June 16, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 19:40, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

I do think this is an improvement from vanilla. You could certainly argue that the PC probably wouldn't even know the name of their illness unless/until diagnosed by a healer or alchemist, but the vanilla game sees fit to reveal this information. The descriptions only provide for a better connection between the name of the disease and the gameplay effects. Kryptopyr (talk) 19:46, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

I would prefer what WilliamImm has offered which is more vague/1st person disease descriptions. Neovalen

Dungeon Quest Awareness

One of the experienced admin (Neo or William), this mod needs to be compared to USKP for conflicts, fixes for each, and whether it is or isn't needed anymore (it's over a year old without being updated). (Tech)

Kryprolyr and I are planing on fixing the stuff that didn't get fixed by a patch, unofficial or official. (William)

Votes

I'm not certain exactly which quests this mod "fixed," but I suspect that most of the quests that could be broken by discovering the location prior to starting the quest have now been fixed by USKP in a much more immersion-friendly manner.Kryptopyr (talk) 09:21, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 00:48, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

-- Stoppingby4now (talk) 23:52, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Kelmych (talk) 13:36, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 19:40, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

High Quality 3D Map

Votes

HD improvement from vanilla Techangel85 (talk) 10:34, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 00:48, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Thecompiler (talk) 01:00, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

-- Stoppingby4now (talk) 23:52, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 15:58, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Kelmych (talk) 13:37, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 19:41, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Immersive HUD

Votes

Hides the vanilla HUD elements making it unfriendly to vanilla Techangel85 (talk) 10:42, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 00:49, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

-- Stoppingby4now (talk) 23:54, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Hides vanilla HUD elements but doesn't remove them at all, they show when needed in game. A welcome improvement to vanilla imo. Neovalen

(not quite vanilla enough IMO for core STEP) Kelmych (talk) 13:39, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 19:42, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 19:47, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Interface Key Tweaks

Votes

Provides more user control and options. Does not take away anything, only gives options. Should be considered more a utility than anything else. ~z929669 Talk 00:50, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

(agree with Tech) Thecompiler (talk) 00:56, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

I'm voting (no) for Core STEP, but (yes) for being moved to utilities so it's an optional mod. This is not the only mod out there that does this and this could conflict with pack mods. Techangel85 (talk) 20:36, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Though I have not tested them, I am indeed seeing a lot of available mods. This greatly increases the likelyhood of conflicts so should not be a part of STEP:Core. -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 23:58, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

for some users this (or an equivalent mod) is very important to their ability to use the game. The vanilla file that this replaces is not especially well done, but it is adequate for many users. There are several alternatives and whichever one is used the control file might still need editing. Note that this is NOT a utility like Wrye Bashe etc.; it is an interface file. Kelmych (talk) 13:46, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 19:43, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

I agree with Tech that this is probably worth mentioning in Utilities. Kryptopyr (talk) 19:49, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Lockpicking Interface

Votes

I've never felt that this mod was an improvement over vanilla. Kryptopyr (talk) 09:13, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Straight texture replacement from vanilla. Techangel85 (talk) 10:53, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 00:51, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Thecompiler (talk) 00:57, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

I stopped installing this awhile ago personally. -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 23:59, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

I've felt the vanilla lock was way too modern looking for the setting. Neovalen

(I think the look of this is a little more realistic than current vanilla) Kelmych (talk) 13:47, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 19:43, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

WilliamImm (talk) 15:29, June 28, 2013 (MDT)

Lore-Based Loading Screens

Votes

Unnecessary change that takes up an .esp slot. I like this mod, but I don't believe it belongs in Core STEP. Kryptopyr (talk) 09:16, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 10:59, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 00:52, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

I agree with krytopyr. -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 23:59, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Kelmych (talk) 13:47, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 19:44, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Main Font Replacement

Votes

Can create clipping and run off issues, as well as size and legibility issues (granted some fonts are worse than others, but none of them are a clear improvement over vanilla, just something different). Kryptopyr (talk) 09:29, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 10:59, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Does not use a plugin slot & vanilla fonts are a lot more 'modern' than in previous TES games. I vote that Magic Cards be the new norm. No issues with that one. ~z929669 Talk 00:55, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

This falls into the category of major change from vanilla, and choice of font is always going to be subjective for users. -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 23:46, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Centaur. Neovalen

Agree with z but vote for Centaur as it's stylistically like Magic Cards but without the clipping. Kelmych (talk) 13:53, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 19:49, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Centaur as well. WilliamImm (talk) 15:30, June 28, 2013 (MDT)

No Boring Wait Menu

Votes

Menu is not vanilla-friendly. Allows for an increased and easy wait time; however, that's rarely needed during actual play and mainly for mod troubleshooting, most of the time Techangel85 (talk) 11:07, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 00:56, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 07:18, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

While I like what the mod does, it's interface is too drastic. -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:01, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Kelmych (talk) 13:54, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Include in a pack, as it's invaluable when trying to clear scripts Solist (talk) 19:49, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

No Menu & Loading Smoke

Votes

Diverts from vanilla and no reason to use for ENB since the addition of the "ignore loading screens" feature in ENB. Techangel85 (talk) 11:43, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

WilliamImm (talk) 21:51, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 09:30, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 00:58, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

-- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:01, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Kelmych (talk) 13:54, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 19:50, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Quality World Map

Votes

HD improvement from vanilla Techangel85 (talk) 11:11, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Thecompiler (talk) 00:58, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 00:59, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 07:18, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

-- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:01, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Kelmych (talk) 13:55, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 19:51, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Race Menu

Votes

Core option is an interface improvement. (but not any of the options) Fits within the SkyUI interface style. However, this is a big change that could have compatibility issues. ~z929669 Talk 01:00, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 07:16, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

(too far from vanilla without being fixes. Belongs in the pack.) Techangel85 (talk) 01:09, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

(IMO too different from vanilla for core STEP) Kelmych (talk) 13:56, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

WilliamImm (talk) 21:14, June 16, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 19:51, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Skill Interface

Votes

Adds real photo of stars rather than painted textures. No HD replacement for perk lines. Techangel85 (talk) 11:17, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Much better quality than the vanilla Skill Interface, and the user can choose a near-vanilla version if they want WilliamImm (talk) 12:01, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

HD replacement for constellations ~z929669 Talk 01:00, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 07:13, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

There is a set selection that is vanilla friendly, and definitely an improvement. -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:03, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Kelmych (talk) 14:06, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 19:51, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

SkyUI

Votes

Vast improvement of the UI for PC Techangel85 (talk) 11:44, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 09:31, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 01:01, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

-- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:03, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Thecompiler (talk) 13:55, June 12, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Kelmych (talk) 13:54, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 19:52, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Not Another Colored Map Icon Mod

Votes

Debatable whether this is an improvement over vanilla, but I don't feel that it is. Kryptopyr (talk) 09:41, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Thecompiler (talk) 01:01, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 01:02, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 20:38, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

-- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:04, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Kelmych (talk) 13:57, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 19:53, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Smaller Cursor

Votes

Thecompiler (talk) 01:02, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

maybe too small for some people; not necessary and vanilla is not bad at all. ~z929669 Talk 01:05, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 07:12, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 20:38, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

This falls into the area of subjectivity for users anyways, and such things should be left to packs. -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:04, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Kelmych (talk) 13:57, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 20:16, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Spinning Skyrim Emblem

Votes

No reason to even have this besides saying, "it's cool". Techangel85 (talk) 11:44, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 09:32, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 01:05, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

-- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:05, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Kelmych (talk) 14:06, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 20:40, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Time On Loading Screen

Votes

If you really need to check the time without leaving the game, use a watch or a phone. Really doesn't add much... WilliamImm (talk) 21:50, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 09:32, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 01:05, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 20:39, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

-- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:05, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Kelmych (talk) 14:05, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 20:42, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Unique Region Names

Votes

Not very keen on the implementation in v5 - overwrites a *lot* of worldspace records. Either revert to v3 or remove. WilliamImm (talk) 21:49, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Thecompiler (talk) 01:04, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 01:06, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 20:40, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

-- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:06, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

The V5 implementation is fine, but neither TES5Edit Merge Patch nor Skyrim Wrye Bash can automatically merge this mod properly with the other mods that change various aspects of the same objects Kelmych (talk) 14:05, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 19:54, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 20:42, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Unknown Enchants

Votes

A PC would never forget an enchantment that he/she knows. The player might, but not the character being controlled. I think this corrects and oversight.~z929669 Talk 01:10, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

(changed my vote) Thecompiler (talk) 02:15, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 07:11, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 20:40, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

-- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:06, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Adds scripts and an ESP and imo it kinda runs slow (i.e. takes time to display) - would prefer to wait for a SkyUI style solution. Neovalen

Kelmych (talk) 14:08, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Would prefer a SkyUI solution, but is there any indication they are working on anything such? If not, this corrects a feature that should have been in vanilla. Solist (talk) 20:45, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

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HRDLC Optimized

Votes

Does not deviate from vanilla style at all (in fact, they simply are optimized HRDLC resources). Also really useful to increase performance for low-VRAM users. WilliamImm (talk) 22:52, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 09:36, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 20:41, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

~FarloTalk 14:07, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 00:51, June 19, 2013 (MDT)

(important for baseline users) Kelmych (talk) 19:01, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 20:46, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Though personally I prefer teaching people to use DDSOpt with SR. :) Neovalen

Better Dynamic Snow

Votes

Kryptopyr (talk) 13:30, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Improvement over vanilla snow Techangel85 (talk) 20:46, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 00:52, June 19, 2013 (MDT) ~z929669 Talk 23:22, December 2, 2013 (EST)

Kelmych (talk) 19:01, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 20:47, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Detailed Chests

Votes

HD improvement over vanilla Techangel85 (talk) 20:48, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Straight texture replacement from vanilla. Not sure what it is about them, but I've just never cared for these textures. However, without individually selecting texture files, it may not currently be possible to get a better combination of textures for these objects. Kryptopyr (talk) 18:40, June 12, 2013 (MDT)

Are there any better alternatives? ~z929669 Talk 00:53, June 19, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 20:48, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

(better than vanilla) Kelmych (talk)

No Stretching

Votes

This is a fix more than a visual mod, a no brainer imo Thecompiler (talk) 01:06, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 07:29, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 20:48, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 00:53, June 19, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 19:02, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 20:49, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Ruins Clutter Improvement

Votes

Straight texture replacement from vanilla. Kryptopyr (talk) 07:33, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 20:49, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 00:54, June 19, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 19:02, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 20:49, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Better Rocks & Mountains

Votes

Clear improvement from vanilla while staying true to vanilla Techangel85 (talk) 20:55, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 16:47, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

There are a few meshes that shine through SMIM and No Stretching ~z929669 Talk 00:54, June 19, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 19:02, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 20:49, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

With SMIM/No Stretching the remaining amount is small, could go either way personally. Neovalen

Actually, if this mod is installed after No Streching, but before SMIM, a good about of meshes (21, to be specific) will be used, and they are a improvement over Vanilla. WilliamImm (talk) 15:33, June 28, 2013 (MDT)

Static Mesh Improvement Mod

Votes

Kryptopyr (talk) 09:37, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

I would recommend a specific installation configuration for Core STEP, lighter and more performant Thecompiler (talk) 01:08, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 20:55, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

answering TC ... Possibly. aren't most of the textures overwritten anyway? ~z929669 Talk 00:56, June 19, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 19:03, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 20:50, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Skyrim HD

Votes

This differs too much from the vanilla feel Thecompiler (talk) 01:11, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 20:57, June 9, 2013 (MDT) (I never cared too much for the looks of these textures anyway)

This really feels more like a last-resort texture replacer - some textures mesh well with vanilla, and some don't. Wish SRO was back... WilliamImm (talk) 21:28, June 16, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 00:58, June 19, 2013 (MDT)

(SRO remains much better than this) Kelmych (talk) 19:04, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Skyrim HD differs from Vanilla too much to use wholesale. SR uses only the towns and misc packages and even then overwrites many of them with better. SRO is the only lore friendly texture pack (except for the damned ruins textures but those are overwritten by Ruins Clutter Improvement. Neovalen

Serious HD

Votes

(undecided) Techangel85 (talk) 21:05, June 9, 2013 (MDT) Having a hard time deciding on this one. Many of the textures are improvements that stay true to vanilla; however, I can't tell if they are painted or photos. They look about half and half.

A decent minor overhaul. The real question for me is whether or not these fit well with the HRDLC landscape that this mod misses. The HRDLC may be the best way to go but for a few select specimens from this mod. I recall that this covers a few textures that SRO misses. ~z929669 Talk 01:01, June 19, 2013 (MDT)

Prefer the piecemeal solution I have in SR as some of these textures are horrendous (imo). At least when compared to SRO. Neovalen

(include the textures that are sufficiently better than vanilla as SR does) Kelmych (talk)

HD Miscellaneous Items

Votes

No brainer. Stays true to vanilla with HD replacements. Techangel85 (talk) 21:07, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 17:12, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 01:02, June 19, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 19:05, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 20:51, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Tobe's Hi-Res Textures

Votes

HD improvement from vanilla while staying true to vanilla Techangel85 (talk) 21:09, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 17:13, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 01:03, June 19, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 19:05, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 20:52, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Food & Ingredients

• Meat has grill marks when it's clearly not being cooked on a grill. Changes texture of chickens and pheasant; however, they are more accurate. All other textures are vanilla friendly, HD versions.

Votes

Kryptopyr (talk) 07:36, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

(undecided) Techangel85 (talk) 21:15, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 01:05, June 19, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 19:06, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 20:52, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

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Snow & Rocks HD

Votes

HD vanilla improvement Kryptopyr (talk) 07:39, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 21:26, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 17:28, June 20, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 19:08, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 20:59, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

AOF Detailed Mountains

Votes

HD improvement from vanilla in vanilla style Kryptopyr (talk) 07:40, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 21:28, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 17:28, June 20, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 19:08, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 20:59, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Still the best, imo. Neovalen

I haven't yet done a comparison, but we may want to look at this mod side-by-side with skyrimagus's Superior Rock Textures. WilliamImm (talk) 15:34, June 28, 2013 (MDT)

AOF Farmhouses

Votes

HD improvement in vanilla style Kryptopyr (talk) 07:42, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 21:30, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 17:28, June 20, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 19:08, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 20:59, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Another piecemeal use by me... Neovalen

Skyrim Flora Overhaul

Votes

Techangel85 (talk) 21:36, June 9, 2013 (MDT) (I can't imagine not playing with this mod)

HD improvement in vanilla style Kryptopyr (talk) 18:41, June 12, 2013 (MDT)

v181b is a straight replacement without hand placed trees or added textures. Kelmych (talk) 13:48, June 15, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 17:28, June 20, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 20:59, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Basic Edition. Neovalen

Bumpy Inn & Shop Signs

Votes

Reuses vanilla textures to create the new "bumpy" look Kryptopyr (talk) 07:51, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 21:39, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 17:28, June 20, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 19:08, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 20:59, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Chimneys for Skyrim

Votes

This mod corrects an oversight in vanilla and is a lore-friendly, immersive improvement. High likelihood that this mod may conflict with mods added by packs. Some packs may wish to add mods that enhance or expand the cities and towns. Kryptopyr (talk) 09:49, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Kry is right, but Packs can also contain instructions on which mod remove from Core STEP to prevent incompatibilities (changed idea) Thecompiler (talk) 01:17, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 21:40, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Potential incompatibility issues with Packs precludes use in Core. ~z929669 Talk 17:28, June 20, 2013 (MDT)

(useful, but might be better for the new option pack) Kelmych (talk) 19:16, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 20:59, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Distant Detail

Votes

(undecided, i've heard it could cause issues) Thecompiler (talk) 01:16, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Not compatible with Hearthfire Techangel85 (talk) 21:42, June 9, 2013 (MDT) (I recommend moving to the pack and having both options available for both Hearthfire and non-Hearthfire users because there is a separate mod that is compatible with Hearthfire.)

(if we include it, I feel that we should also include a link to the Hearthfire version.) Kryptopyr (talk) 18:45, June 12, 2013 (MDT)

The lack of including this mod is infinitesimally noticeable ~z929669 Talk 17:28, June 20, 2013 (MDT)

(problems plus somewhat limited improvements) Kelmych (talk) 19:10, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Agree with Kryptopyr Solist (talk) 20:59, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Limited improvements. Going to remove this from SR in the next round likely, but evaluating The Skyrim Distance Overhaul as a more expansive alternative. Author still appears to be recently active. ESPs only, not the ini tweaks. Neovalen

I agree with removing this mod. Skyrim Distance Overhaul is waaaaaay better than this mod, speaking from recent testing. You can actually see the waterfalls move from a distance, which counts for something (for sure). WilliamImm (talk) 11:47, June 27, 2013 (MDT)

Dragon Glyphs-Fixed

Votes

HD improvement of vanilla Techangel85 (talk) 21:44, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 17:15, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 17:28, June 20, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 19:15, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 20:59, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Enhanced Night Skyrim

Votes

HD improvement of vanilla. Fixes lack of stars seen from low-light areas such as in the Skyrim realm. I feel that this is a fix because when you have very little light pollution, you should be able to see more stars than you see in the vanilla game. Techangel85 (talk) 21:50, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

STEP currently recommends "Medium Stars." I feel that the "Lower Stars" version is both more realistic and the closest to being an enhancement of vanilla without moving too far toward a fantasy appearance. (yes to stars, no to galaxy) Kryptopyr (talk) 16:17, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Agree no galaxy ... but I vote for medium to high stars, because we are biased by light pollution. In a skyrim-like place, without electricity, many more stars are visible. I have been to places where a city is not within 100 miles. Very surreal! ~z929669 Talk 17:28, June 20, 2013 (MDT)

I've also had the privilege of traveling to remote areas, and while the stars are stunning, the numbers of visible stars are simply not as exaggerated as this mod would suggest. The unaided human eye is only capable of seeing about 3,000 stars at any one time even in the best possible viewing conditions. And Skyrim is far from having no light pollution...don't forget those two HUGE moons. Even if we go with the tweak that reduces the size of each moon by half, they are still many times larger than our moon. With two moons of that size, Skyrim's sky would be constantly awash with light pollution to a degree that would likely equal some of our larger cities. (kryptopyr)

Kelmych (talk) 19:11, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 20:59, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Medium Stars. Neovalen

Footprints

Votes

Potentially unsafe, applies cloak effect, needs confirmation Thecompiler (talk) 01:17, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Uninstallation

To disable the scripting you may open the console and enter "setstage footprintsQuest 99". Disabling or removal of the ESP during a save may break your save permanently. This is Bethesda's official stance, due to how data, scripts especially, are permanently attached to your savegame. Once the options menu is implemented in 1.0, you will no longer need to run the console command, but simply disable it from the menu.

Techangel85 (talk) 22:00, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 13:47, June 15, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 17:28, June 20, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 20:06, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 20:59, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

I can't live without this mod and it's never given me trouble. That said, may be too much for core. Neovalen

HD Enhanced Terrain

Votes

HD improvement of vanilla distant terrain. Techangel85 (talk) 22:01, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 16:18, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 17:28, June 20, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 19:12, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 20:59, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Has anyone compared this to the latest Enhanced Distant Terrain? This mod replaced it but that mod has been updated twice since. Neovalen

High Quality LODs

Votes

Improvement of vanilla LODs Techangel85 (talk) 22:04, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Works hand-in-hand with HQ 3D map Kryptopyr (talk) 16:19, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 13:48, June 15, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 17:28, June 20, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 20:59, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Hybrid's Plants & Herbs

Votes

HD improvement of vanilla Techangel85 (talk) 22:05, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 17:16, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 17:28, June 20, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 19:11, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 20:59, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Improved Puddles

Votes

The author claims it also contain fixes to the vanilla puddles, need confirmation (for now) Thecompiler (talk) 01:14, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 22:06, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

revised puddles are much better than really ugly vanilla ones but still not as good as hoped for (which might not be possible with Skyrim engine) Kelmych (talk) 13:57, June 15, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 17:28, June 20, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 20:59, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Lanterns Of Skyrim

Votes

Clearly adds to vanilla without it being an oversight in development. This can break immersion for some; however, add it for others. Should be in the pack. Techangel85 (talk) 21:21, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 09:52, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Thecompiler (talk) 01:17, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 13:58, June 15, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 17:28, June 20, 2013 (MDT)

Definitely in a pack. Solist (talk) 20:59, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Legible Road Signs

Votes

Thecompiler (talk) 01:17, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

V2 is improvement from vanilla. V3 takes the mod too far from vanilla (No to V3 but Yes to V2) Techangel85 (talk) 22:10, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

I'm not sure I see all that much difference between V2 & V3 as compared to vanilla, and the change log sounds like V3 fixed several issues with V2, it wasn't just a change in appearance/style. Kryptopyr (talk) 08:46, June 14, 2013 (MDT)

I really don't like this mod. It looks like somebody just typed on a piece of paper and pasted it to the sign. (which is what was actually done :lol: ) I VASTLY prefer the HRDLC version. ~z929669 Talk 17:28, June 20, 2013 (MDT)

Changed my vote - Hanna's Roadsigns Redone looks *way*, *way* better than this mod. So much that you wouldn't believe. WilliamImm (talk) 18:55, June 20, 2013 (MDT)

(there are several alternatives we should consider, and this isn't a lot better than vanilla) Kelmych (talk) 19:13, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 20:59, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Moon Size Tweaks

Votes

Is the x0.5 size that STEP recommends a lore-friendly change? I've personally never felt there was a real need to change the moon size. This mod uses two .esp files to change two game settings. We just replaced Realistic Crime Radius with changes via Wrye Bash. If these size changes are desirable, then is it possible to do something similar for these game settings? Kryptopyr (talk) 08:06, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 22:13, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 13:57, June 15, 2013 (MDT)

(the tweak can be incorporated in the STEP esp, and i feel it fixes the overly huge moons) Thecompiler (talk) 16:11, June 19, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 17:28, June 20, 2013 (MDT)

We should provide instructions as to how to replicate this mod using TES5edit (in a single file), not waste more ESP slots. WilliamImm (talk) 19:01, June 20, 2013 (MDT)

Agree with WI. Solist (talk) 20:59, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Moss Rocks

Votes

Not a vanilla oversight, just adds mosses to rocks. Techangel85 (talk) 22:19, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 09:00, June 14, 2013 (MDT)

I think the fact that the rock faces are clean and lack moss could be considered an oversight. (i consider this a very pleasant addition, it breaks the mandate, but we could do an exception couldn't we?) Thecompiler (talk) 16:12, June 19, 2013 (MDT)

I view this as a detail that Beth never addressed. Great mod, Perfectly consistent with the mandate IMO. ~z929669 Talk 17:32, June 20, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 19:15, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 20:59, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Point the Way

Votes

I feel this to be an actual fix. Techangel85 (talk) 22:22, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

(if this is an actual fix, and not just adding additional signs, then I'm in favor. If it's just adding new signs, then my vote is no.) Kryptopyr (talk) 09:03, June 14, 2013 (MDT)

I have never been to a national park and found that every crossroads has a sign telling you where you are and where you could be going. You have to use a map or the Sun. ... and this is Skyrim, folds. :P ~z929669 Talk 17:32, June 20, 2013 (MDT)

Who wants to be lost? Same reason why we have EBQO... WilliamImm (talk) 18:57, June 20, 2013 (MDT)

(road signs pointing to different towns/villages (and Rome itself) were common in the middle ages at least wherever Rome had ruled or influenced) Kelmych (talk) 19:27, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 20:59, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Real Ice

Votes

HD improvement from vanilla with the correct options Techangel85 (talk) 22:28, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 09:05, June 14, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 17:32, June 20, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 19:14, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 20:59, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Realistic Mushrooms

Votes

HD improvement of vanilla. Where textures differ, they are more accurate. Techangel85 (talk) 22:30, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 17:17, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Never been a big fan ~z929669 Talk 17:38, June 20, 2013 (MDT)

(small improvement) Kelmych (talk) 19:18, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 20:59, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Realistic Tundra Moss

Votes

HD improvement of vanilla Techangel85 (talk) 22:31, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 17:18, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 17:38, June 20, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 19:19, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 20:59, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Re-Defined Dungeons

Votes

(i could go either way) Thecompiler (talk) 01:17, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

I feel this to be a HQ improvement of vanilla, however, Beauty of Skyrim - Dungeons looks much better. Techangel85 (talk) 22:34, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Yes for now, but would like to compare with Beauty of Skyrim. Kryptopyr (talk) 09:19, June 14, 2013 (MDT)

Never been a big fan. Other mods address many of these textures as well, and HRDLC is not bad. ~z929669 Talk 17:38, June 20, 2013 (MDT)

(preferably the parts of it are better than vanilla) Kelmych (talk) 19:21, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Indifferent. Solist (talk) 20:59, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Piecemeal... some good some bad. Beauty of Skyrim - Dungeons was just released, might be worth a look. Neovalen

Trees HD

Votes

(changed idea, still undecided) (talk) 01:17, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Vanilla friendly, HD retexture Techangel85 (talk) 01:16, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 09:32, June 14, 2013 (MDT)

the tree bark in this pack is so vastly superior that it makes my kidneys hurt. ~z929669 Talk 17:38, June 20, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 19:19, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 20:59, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Much better than Vurt's trunks. Neovalen

Vibrant Auroras

Votes

Thecompiler (talk) 01:17, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Simply changes brightness and saturation of auroras Kryptopyr (talk) 07:53, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 22:38, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 13:56, June 15, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 17:38, June 20, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 20:59, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Visible Windows

Votes

Vanilla friendly improvement of window glass Techangel85 (talk) 22:40, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 17:18, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 13:55, June 15, 2013 (MDT)

(medium please) ~z929669 Talk 17:38, June 20, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 20:59, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Gritty. Neovalen

WATER

Votes

Vanilla water is awful, this mod is basically a fix imo Thecompiler (talk) 01:19, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 07:53, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

(I need to finish up my water mod compare! Keep forgetting about it. lol) Techangel85 (talk) 22:41, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 17:42, June 20, 2013 (MDT)

(but I'm still waiting for the Tech's Water vs Pure Water conclusions) Kelmych (talk) 19:17, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 20:59, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Tried both this and Pure Waters, this blows it out of the water (rimshot!). Neovalen

Whiterun Trellis Redesigned

Votes

No brainer improvement Thecompiler (talk) 01:58, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 22:42, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 17:19, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 17:42, June 20, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 19:11, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 20:59, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Windmills Resized

Votes

Definite improvement over vanilla (also agree with Kelmych about the size. I use the normal version.) Kryptopyr (talk) 09:53, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Note should recommend using the optional version to avoid a clipping issue Thecompiler (talk) 01:56, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 22:43, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

I prefer the normal version and the mod that moves one windmill since the smaller optional blade seems too small Kelmych (talk) 13:54, June 15, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 20:59, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

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Bellyache's Creature Pack

Votes

HD improvement of vanilla textures using the default option Techangel85 (talk) 10:27, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 17:19, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

I am not convinced that this mod is better than vanilla (anyone care to counter with screenshots? ~z929669 Talk 11:39, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:05, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

(a little better than vanilla) Kelmych (talk)

101 Bugs

Votes

HD improvement of vanilla texures; however, adds new bugs and ingredients not found in vanilla Techangel85 (talk) 10:30, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 17:20, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Thecompiler (talk) 06:22, June 12, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 11:39, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

(I like it, but it isn't really vanilla) Kelmych (talk) 20:46, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:05, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Antz in my Pantz

Votes

Fixes what I believe to be a development oversight. The ants are placed in the game; however, during development they seemed to have been forgotten about. Adds new locations and makes them harvest-able like many other vanilla insects. Adds new content/ingredients to the game besides the ants.(I could go either way on this one) Techangel85 (talk) 10:40, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Thecompiler (talk) 06:19, June 12, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 16:22, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 11:39, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 20:46, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:05, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Realistic Hair

Votes

HQ improvement of vanilla textures Techangel85 (talk) 10:43, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 11:39, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:05, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Need compare with the new HD Lore Friendly hair. Neovalen

(but we might want to have a partial replacement in some of the future packs) Kelmych (talk)

AOF Believable Hair

Votes

Adds new hair textures Techangel85 (talk) 10:45, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

HQ improvement over vanilla. Still, if Superior Lore Friendly Hair wins out, then this can be dropped. WilliamImm (talk) 11:00, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 11:39, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 20:23, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:05, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Need compare with the new HD Lore Friendly hair. Neovalen

Beards

Votes

HD improvement of vanilla textures. Unlocks beards that were already present in Skyrim; however, weren't include in the vanilla game for whatever reason. Not new content, just unlocked content. Techangel85 (talk) 10:49, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 17:21, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 11:39, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 20:48, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:05, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Bellyache's Dragons

Votes

HD improvement and fixes of vanilla dragons Techangel85 (talk) 10:53, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 17:21, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Again, are Bellyache's textures really better than vanilla? I have never been a big fan ~z929669 Talk 11:39, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 20:47, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:05, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Better Beast Races

Votes

HD improvement of vanilla textures Techangel85 (talk) 10:53, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 17:21, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 11:39, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 20:47, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:05, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Better Freckles

Votes

Removes red "splotches" of vanilla textures and improves freckles Techangel85 (talk) 10:55, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 11:39, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 20:25, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:05, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Birds & Flocks

Votes

Adds a ton of spawning points to vanilla as well as adding bats to the game Techangel85 (talk) 10:58, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Thecompiler (talk) 06:19, June 12, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 11:39, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 20:48, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 20:26, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:05, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Birds of Skyrim

Votes

Adds new spawn points to vanilla. Adds new seagull sounds (that possibly conflicts with the other sound mod we have). Introduces new textures. Techangel85 (talk) 11:03, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Thecompiler (talk) 06:20, June 12, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 11:39, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 20:49, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 20:27, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:05, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

In fact, remove this... so immersion breaking. Neovalen

Breathing Idles

Votes

Fixes a vanilla oversight Thecompiler (talk) 01:21, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 11:05, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 17:23, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 11:39, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 20:47, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:05, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Brows

Votes

HQ retexture of vanilla brow textures. From same author as Beards so they fit perfectly together. Adds new brow sytles. (I could go either way on this one. Are the added brows worth not including this?) Techangel85 (talk) 11:08, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

If you install the mod and don't activate the .esp, won't you get the improved textures without the additional styles? (same for Beards). (if the new styles are a problem, let's just recommend that the .esp not be used) Kryptopyr (talk) 10:51, June 14, 2013 (MDT)

I think even new styles are innocuous enough not to fret over. Same with beards and hair. ~z929669 Talk 11:39, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 20:49, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:05, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Cover Khajiits

Votes

Very detailed textures, and a strong improvement over vanilla. WilliamImm (talk) 11:02, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 11:09, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 17:23, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 11:39, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 20:49, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:05, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Dawnguard Rewritten-Arvak

Votes

Arvark in vanilla looked like a Poundland action figure and not like it was made of bone. WilliamImm (talk) 11:03, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

There is a improved version of the vanilla texture included as well. Techangel85 (talk) 11:09, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Vanilla replacer only. ~z929669 Talk 11:39, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 20:54, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 20:28, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:05, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

May wish to consider adding CH Alsvid patch if keeping CH. Neovalen

Diverse Priests

Votes

Vanilla oversight IMO...or just laziness. Thecompiler (talk) 21:22, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

I seem to recall a potential compat issue with this one ... ? ~z929669 Talk 11:39, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 20:54, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:05, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

The only thing that keeps me from voting a solid 'yes' on this mod is the differing outfits in the Temple of the Divines. This somehow makes it seem like the least organized of the temples, when I feel it should be the most organized and cohesive. This one detail tends to make me aware of the presence of the mod and breaks immersion. Overall, though, I do really like this mod, and it was easy enough to alter it to fit my preference. But I'm just not sure that I feel the default mod is really vanilla enough for Core. Kryptopyr (talk) 21:23, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Techangel85 (talk) 10:37, June 29, 2013 (MDT)

Female Vampires Have Fangs

Votes

Vanilla fix Thecompiler (talk) 21:21, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 11:33, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 17:24, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 11:39, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 20:50, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:05, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Frost Atronach HD

Votes

HQ replacement of Vanilla textures Techangel85 (talk) 11:35, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 17:24, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 11:39, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

(a little better than vanilla) Kelmych (talk) 20:52, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:05, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Ice Wraith

Votes

HQ replacement of Vanilla textures Techangel85 (talk) 11:35, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 17:24, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

I never saw this one as an improvement. Just different. ~z929669 Talk 11:39, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

(better to have it in the new pack) Kelmych (talk) 20:52, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:05, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Same as Krypt, not really an improvement imo. Neovalen

Improved Foot Wraps

Votes

Should not even be in STEP now. Requires an additional mod to work properly. Only female mesh is covered Techangel85 (talk) 11:38, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 11:39, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 20:53, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:05, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Better Male Feet only covers the male mesh, so I don't see what the difference is there. I'm unclear if FemFeet is actually still needed for this mod, given that FemFeet states in it's description that the latest version is included in XCE (this is assuming of course that XCE gets included in Core). If it is still needed, then this mod should only be accepted if we also add FemFeet to Core. Kryptopyr (talk) 21:09, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

More Village Animals

Votes

Adds more spawn points for animals. Various issues exist Techangel85 (talk) 11:38, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 11:39, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 20:55, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 20:30, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:05, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

New Children

Votes

Mesh correction for some children models Techangel85 (talk) 11:39, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 15:22, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 20:53, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 20:31, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:05, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Pond Fish

Votes

Is an improvement over vanilla. Changes texture colors. (I could go either way on this one) Techangel85 (talk) 11:41, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

While the vanilla mesh does seem to suggest a guppy, the bright coloration of these fish just feels out of place in the cold climate of Skyrim. Kryptopyr (talk) 17:30, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Thecompiler (talk) 06:21, June 12, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 15:22, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 20:53, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:05, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Rabbits Plus

Votes

Adds multiple rabbit textures to the game. Add new content the to game. Techangel85 (talk) 22:52, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Apparently buggy and the ESP can be replicated by using this Automatic Variants pack (with only rabbits). WilliamImm (talk) 09:17, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

If we're just wanting a texture replacement this author provides these textures in a separate mod that is strictly a retexture. Thecompiler (talk) 06:22, June 12, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 16:24, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Textures only, not the plugin. ~z929669 Talk 15:22, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 20:51, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:05, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

If you want variation, use AV. Plus this adds a rabbit farm. :) Neovalen

Xenius Character Enhancement

• Changed two votes based off "if" statements

Votes

I changed my vote based off Core. Packs should include their own character replacers and body mods. These type of mods should not be in Core for compatibility reasons with packs. Techangel85 (talk) 22:59, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Seems to me it doesn't use the HQDLC textures as a base Thecompiler (talk) 06:24, June 12, 2013 (MDT)

Only if there is no other alternative. What does SR use? ~z929669 Talk 15:22, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

If you are wondering, SR doesn't use this mod, mainly because other mods in it (All-In-One Face, Mature Skin, Better Males, Better Makeup, among others) overwrite it, and SR uses a high-res warpaint replacer from the same author as XCE to replace warpaints. Still, considering that AIO Face and Mature Skin require UNP or another female body replacer, and that Better Males is a body replacer, there's reason to keep this mod. WilliamImm (talk) 21:08, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 20:32, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Unless we are going to replace these elements with what we're doing in SR Solist (talk) 21:05, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

On the fence here, XCE is very good vanilla replacer but if core is going to be a base for packs... I know for SR I got rid of it. Neovalen

Kelmych (talk)

XCE-Dawnguard

• Changed two votes based off "if" statements

Votes

Same reasons as I stated for XCE above. Techangel85 (talk) 23:01, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Seems to me it doesn't use the HQDLC textures as a base Thecompiler (talk) 06:24, June 12, 2013 (MDT)

Only if there is no other alternative. What does SR use? ~z929669 Talk 15:22, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 20:33, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Unless we are going to replace these elements with what we're doing in SR Solist (talk) 21:05, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Vampire eyes are covered by the dawnguard optional of Eyes of Beauty, and Neo basically copies over the vanilla head textures for the vampire head because of personal preference. Falmer eyes were replaced as well, but the mod that did it (Improved Eyes Skyrim) was taken down. And really, that would be the only thing that we'd use if we follow more of Neo's guide. WilliamImm (talk) 21:46, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

On the fence here, XCE is very good vanilla replacer but if core is going to be a base for packs... I know for SR I got rid of it. Neovalen

(agree with Neo) Kelmych (talk)

Better Male Feet

Votes

Same reason as XCE above and Neo below. Techangel85 (talk) 23:05, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 16:25, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 15:22, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 20:50, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:05, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Prefer to keep body mesh modification out of core. Neovalen

Natural Eyes

Votes

HQ improvement of vanilla textures. Adds a few new textures. (for me, this is a yes; however, there are other eye mods out there so we may want to put it in the pack for compatibly purposes) Techangel85 (talk) 23:17, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Not necessary ~z929669 Talk 15:22, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Indifferent. Solist (talk) 21:05, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Lives up to the name. WilliamImm (talk) 15:41, June 28, 2013 (MDT)

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Accingite Vos

Votes

Overall, an improvement of vanilla textures. I don't like how the author added "crackling" to some of the shields. I'm hoping CaBal redoes these textures. Techangel85 (talk) 23:27, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 23:51, June 16, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 19:29, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

At this point, the mod only covers the dragonbone and imperial shields when used with the current Amidianborn textures (including ebony armor). So little of the mod is used at this point that it makes more sense to remove it from STEP. WilliamImm (talk) 20:00, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:10, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 21:32, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Mostly replaced, time to remove. Neovalen

Better Circlets

Votes

HQ Retexture Techangel85 (talk) 23:30, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

The style of the retexture looks out of place. Kryptopyr (talk) 07:26, June 15, 2013 (MDT)

Without screenshots to compare with vanilla in game, I am against this. The Nexus page has no decent compares. ~z929669 Talk 23:54, June 16, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 19:30, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:10, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Is there anything better out there? Neovalen

Book of Silence

Votes

Vanilla friendly improvement Kryptopyr (talk) 17:31, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 23:19, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 23:55, June 16, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 19:29, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:10, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Daedric Armor & Weapons

Votes

Techangel85 (talk) 23:39, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

There is no evidence that this is better than vanilla or even in the same style as vanilla ~z929669 Talk 23:58, June 16, 2013 (MDT)

(seems more different than vanilla than sufficiently better than vanilla) Kelmych (talk) 19:34, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

It seems to be more of an alternate style - no Book of Silence like improvement. That being said, would love to see CaBal120's take on the armor and weapons. WilliamImm (talk) 19:37, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

These are on CaBal's list, so no need for this since they'll eventually be in his future updates. Solist (talk) 21:10, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 21:33, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Much better than vanilla imo (vanilla really sucks) but not a direct vanilla retex. Neovalen

Explosive Bolts Visualized

Votes

In my opinion, this is a fix from an oversight in vanilla. Techangel85 (talk) 23:41, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 23:58, June 16, 2013 (MDT)

(fix) Kelmych (talk) 19:31, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:10, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 21:33, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Closer Quivers & Longer Arrows

Votes

Kryptopyr (talk) 17:31, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

A fix for vanilla, IMO. Techangel85 (talk) 23:51, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Thecompiler (talk) 06:17, June 12, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 23:59, June 16, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 19:30, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:10, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Elemental Staffs

Votes

Adds additional textures to vanilla Techangel85 (talk) 23:57, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Staffs should have some variation ... this is the only non-invasive method for 'correcting' this oversight. ~z929669 Talk 00:04, June 17, 2013 (MDT)

(without it all staffs are identical which doesn't seem reasonable to me) Kelmych (talk) 19:32, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:10, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 21:35, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Elven Weapons for Silence

Votes

Not vanilla textures, completely new look. Techangel85 (talk) 00:12, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Meant to go with the Book of Silence textures, and should be used until CaBaL120 releases his own retexture. WilliamImm (talk) 09:10, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

not a 'completely' new look, but it does seem that steel is used for the business edges rather than moon ... metal?? ~z929669 Talk 00:08, June 17, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 19:32, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:10, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

(very different from vanilla look) Kryptopyr (talk) 21:37, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Goes with Book. Neovalen

Weapon De-LARP Project

Votes

Mesh fixes for vanilla weapons Techangel85 (talk) 00:17, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Compatibility issues? ~z929669 Talk 00:00, June 17, 2013 (MDT)

(vanilla weapon thickness seems much too large) Kelmych (talk) 19:33, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:10, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

This mod makes some weapons unrealistically thin. Edges should certainly be thin, but the center of the blade should be thicker. See the picture here: https://stepmodifications.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=431&pid=32106#pid32106 There is also a comparison pic of Mehrune's Razor on the mod's Nexus page if you want to see another example. I haven't done a thorough comparison to determine just how many fall into this category. Kryptopyr (talk) 21:59, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Despite the overly thin blades, it's a huge improvement over vanilla. Neovalen

Greatsword Sheaths & Scabbards

Votes

(I honestly don't know enough about this mod to make an informed decision. Does vanilla have sheaths? This seems like fix to me, but not sure.) Techangel85 (talk) 00:23, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

What is the vanilla state? Does this affect NPCs too? If not, then this is only 3rd-person specific. ~z929669 Talk 00:16, June 17, 2013 (MDT)

In vanilla, greatswords do not have scabbards or sheathes. In fact, they don't have anything to support them, which is immersion breaking. The scabbards/sheaths will apply to anyone who uses greatswords, player or NPC alike. WilliamImm (talk) 19:41, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:10, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 21:39, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Kelmych (talk)

Improved Closefaced Helmets

Votes

Fix for vanilla, IMO. Techangel85 (talk) 00:35, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 00:17, June 17, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 19:33, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:10, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 22:02, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Jewels of the Nord

Votes

HQ improvement of vanilla Techangel85 (talk) 00:37, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 00:18, June 17, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 19:34, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:10, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Deviates too far from vanilla. Kryptopyr (talk) 22:14, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Nightingale Prime

Votes

HQ retexture of vanilla. I thought we agreed a while back when this was added that the leather version was nearly a direct retexture? Only changes are to the mask and hood from the mod description. Techangel85 (talk) 00:38, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Main mod is not vanilla style. Deviates way too much. Not sure if the leather option is better or not. ~z929669 Talk 00:20, June 17, 2013 (MDT)

(leather) Kelmych (talk) 19:35, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:10, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Even the leather version looks more like a high-tech rubber to me. Kryptopyr (talk) 22:07, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Not Really HD-Mask of Clavicus Vile

Votes

Improvement of vanilla texture Kryptopyr (talk) 17:34, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 00:41, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 00:21, June 17, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 19:35, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

CaBaL120 is planning on retexturing the mask, and I'd bet it would look very awesome considering his track record. Remove when he does, otherwise, keep. WilliamImm (talk) 19:44, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Until it's put into Book of Silence Solist (talk) 21:10, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Shield of Ysgramor

Votes

Kryptopyr (talk) 17:34, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

HQ vanilla textures Techangel85 (talk) 00:41, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 00:21, June 17, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 19:36, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Can safely be removed when CaBal120 covers the Ysgramor artifacts, but since the texture is so close to vanilla anyway, no reason to remove right now. WilliamImm (talk) 19:38, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Until it's put into Book of Silence Solist (talk) 21:10, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Ultimate HD Torch

Votes

Vanilla friendly retexture Kryptopyr (talk) 17:34, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 01:00, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 00:22, June 17, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 19:36, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:10, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

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Animated Weapon Enchants

Votes

Improved enchant shaders that are vanilla friendly Techangel85 (talk) 01:04, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Much brighter and more visually distracting than the vanilla effects. Kryptopyr (talk) 12:56, June 19, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 15:45, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 20:39, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:18, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Better Turn Animation

Votes

Smooths turning motionsTechangel85 (talk) 01:07, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 13:31, June 15, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 15:45, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:18, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 22:16, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Burn Freeze & Shock Effects

Votes

Techangel85 (talk) 01:11, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 13:50, June 16, 2013 (MDT)

(the mod still introduces minor issues/glitches, i don't fell should be considered core) Thecompiler (talk) 16:05, June 19, 2013 (MDT)

Ditto to TC's comment. Also, this mod makes some pretty blatant changes to various vanilla play styles. ~z929669 Talk 15:45, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

(can have noticeable effect on VRAM use and performance) Kelmych (talk) 20:40, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:18, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Vanilla oversight imo. Neovalen

Deadly Spell Impacts

WARNING: To uninstall you must have a save where there are no spell impacts present. If you cannot load up your save, reinstall this mod, load up the game, move to a cave, city, etc where there are no spell impacts present, enable the console, type in "pcb", save, and then uninstall.

Votes

Techangel85 (talk) 01:14, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 15:45, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 20:40, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:18, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 22:19, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Dual Wield Blocking Animations

• Changed one vote based off "if" statement

Votes

Seems like a fix, but I've never dual wielded weapons. Techangel85 (talk) 01:17, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

(since i voted "no" for dual wield blocking, i vote no for this as well) Thecompiler (talk) 16:07, June 19, 2013 (MDT)

The argument for excluding DWB precludes. ~z929669 Talk 15:45, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:18, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Yes only if we keep Dual Wield Parrying, otherwise No. (I would like to see both of these included in the pack, though) Kryptopyr (talk) 09:53, June 26, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk)

Enchantment Effect Replacer

Votes

HQ vanilla-friendly replacement Techangel85 (talk) 01:18, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

I am making an exec decision on this one. Kryptopyr is quite correct below. There is simply no good reason to tax performance on this sort of an effect. I think enhancing the resolution is unnecessary. If anyone adamantly disagrees, please state so (but I think that Farlo and s4n would be with me on this, so my vote theoretically counts for three in this cas :P ) ~z929669 Talk 15:45, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:18, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

This is not a clear improvement. The lower-res vanilla texture ends up being more subtle, which isn't really a bad thing for an enchantment effect. The Daedric letters are a departure from vanilla. Kryptopyr (talk) 07:32, June 26, 2013 (MDT)

Enhanced Blood

Votes

HQ vanilla-friendly replacement. Adds additional effects not found in vanilla. (I feel the added effects were missing from vanilla) Techangel85 (talk) 01:21, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

(agree with z) Kelmych (talk) 13:32, June 15, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 13:51, June 16, 2013 (MDT)

Much more blood than is reasonable compared to vanilla. This mod adds a lot of changes that I think are too extensive for STEP: Core ~z929669 Talk 15:45, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:18, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Enhanced Projectile Soul Trap

Votes

I feel this to be a fix. Techangel85 (talk) 01:22, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 13:28, June 15, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 13:52, June 16, 2013 (MDT)

Especially if we retain ASG. ~z929669 Talk 15:45, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

And even if we don't retain ASG, this mod can still be used. WilliamImm (talk) 21:12, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:18, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Finer Dust

Votes

HQ improvement of vanilla textures/effectTechangel85 (talk) 01:23, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 13:33, June 15, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 22:01, June 15, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 15:45, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:18, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Improved Weapon Impact Effects

Votes

I feel this as a fix. Techangel85 (talk) 01:25, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

(in general I feel this is an improvement, but there are certainly instances where the dust is a more appropriate effect, so I don't feel strongly either way) Kryptopyr (talk) 13:54, June 16, 2013 (MDT)

Not necessary ~z929669 Talk 15:45, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 20:41, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:18, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Lightning During Thunder Storms

Votes

Will conflict with certain lighting/weather mods without a patch so it should be in the pack. Techangel85 (talk) 21:18, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

I feel that this definitely corrects a vanilla oversight. I believe this mod uninstalls pretty cleanly, so it shouldn't be difficult for packs to instruct users to remove this mod if necessary to prevent conflicts. Kryptopyr (talk) 22:01, June 15, 2013 (MDT)

Great mod, but not suitable for Core. ~z929669 Talk 18:31, July 1, 2013 (MDT)

(only because of potential compatibility problems with non core-STEP mods) Kelmych (talk) 20:42, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:18, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

No Spinning Death Animation

Votes

Changes death animation; however, I feel this to be a fix as the spinning animation is awkward/unnatural. Techangel85 (talk) 01:31, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 13:30, June 15, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 13:55, June 16, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:18, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

New Idles for Skyrim

• Changed one vote based off "if" statement

Votes

This has no purpose for Core; only packs. Techangel85 (talk) 01:41, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Required for Maximum Skeleton (and by extension, Dual Sheath Redux) to work, but can be removed if either is marked. WilliamImm (talk) 06:00, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Thecompiler (talk) 13:52, June 12, 2013 (MDT)

(include in a new pack) Kelmych (talk) 20:43, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 10:55, June 23, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:18, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

If keeping RR&F / XP32. Neovalen

Rainbows

Votes

Adds new content to vanilla; not an oversight. Techangel85 (talk) 01:42, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 13:34, June 15, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 13:55, June 16, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 10:55, June 23, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:18, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Realistic Smoke & Embers

Votes

HQ vanilla-friendly replacement Techangel85 (talk) 01:42, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 21:54, June 15, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 10:55, June 23, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:18, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Kelmych (talk) 20:03, June 30, 2013 (MDT)

Rune Weapon FX

Votes

Changes vanilla effects on two weapons; however, can be seen as a fix. Techangel85 (talk) 01:47, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Let's just say that the glow can be overly bright in some cases and leave it at that. WilliamImm (talk) 19:28, June 19, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 20:44, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Not necessary. The style is also of an enchantment effect that many of you propose to replace with Enchantment Effect Replacer, which I also do not advocate with one exception. This would be an inconsistency. ~z929669 Talk 10:55, June 23, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:18, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

ESP slot for little benefit. Neovalen

This mod claims that the effects are also affected by mods such as Enchantment Effect Replacer, so no inconsistencies even if we use that mod. Regardless of whether we use Enchantment Effect Replacer, I feel this is a definite fix and makes the Dawnguard weapons consistent with other vanilla weapon enchantment effects. Kryptopyr (talk) 07:40, June 26, 2013 (MDT)

Running With Bows

Votes

Not a fix, just an animation change. Other mods exist that do the same as this mod which would conflict. Techangel85 (talk) 01:49, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 21:52, June 15, 2013 (MDT)

Perhaps not strictly a fix, but a definite improvement over the vanilla animation that stays true to the vanilla style. I'm not sure how this is any different than Bowlegged Jump Fix. Any conflicts with mods added by packs would result in the animation simply being overwritten. Or the pack can direct the user to uninstall this mod to prevent incompatibilities. Kelmych (talk) 20:44, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

This is a 'correction'. We want to avoid downstream conflicts, but only when those conflicts are complex (i.e., secondary effects). This is a "primary-effect" resource conflict (i.e., as krypt notes, it is a direct vanilla replacer that can itself be directly replaced), so it will not conflict in any secondary way with downstream mods, AFAIK. ~z929669 Talk 10:55, June 23, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:18, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Shooting Stars

Votes

Adds content not present in vanilla. Techangel85 (talk) 01:50, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 13:31, June 15, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 10:55, June 23, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:18, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Kryptopyr (talk) 07:48, June 26, 2013 (MDT)

Skyrim Performance Plus

Votes

Reduces vanilla textures with a little loss of quality. Will actually improve performance on some systems. Performance Pack. Techangel85 (talk) 01:51, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 13:30, June 15, 2013 (MDT)

Since this decreases resolution that may be noticeable in some cases, it counters what we are doing elsewhere with graphical enhancement. Therefore, I see this as optional for mid-lower-end systems. STEP:Core, by definition, is not 'optional', so this should go into a "Performance Pack", IMO. ~z929669 Talk 10:55, June 23, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:18, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Should not promote downgrade from vanilla. Should go into a "Performance STEP" type pack. Neovalen

If the loss of quality if noticeable, then I agree that it should go into a Performance pack. Kryptopyr (talk) 13:57, June 16, 2013 (MDT)

Skyrim Sunglare

Votes

(yes to No Lens Flare version only). I think the lens flare is too cinematic and rather immersion-breaking (the player is not supposed to be looking at the sun through a lens). I do think the "no lens flare" version is an improvement over vanilla. Kryptopyr (talk) 17:41, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

(non-flare version only) Techangel85 (talk) 01:52, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

No lens flare version only. ~z929669 Talk 10:55, June 23, 2013 (MDT)

Indifferent, seems we all are. Solist (talk) 21:18, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

(preferably no lens flare version) Kelmych (talk)

Ultimate HD Fire Effects

Votes

HQ improvement of vanilla fireTechangel85 (talk) 01:53, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 21:53, June 15, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 10:55, June 23, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:18, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Neovalen

Kelmych (talk)

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The 418th Step

Votes

I've never really been convinced by the appearance that the text was carved into the stone. It looks like an obvious overlay, which breaks immersion rather than enhancing it. Like Lore-Based Loading Screens, I don't really feel this addition is worth the .esp slot. Kryptopyr (talk) 17:48, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 01:56, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

(interesting but very small change, and requires esp slot; there are other immersion mods I think are more useful) Kelmych (talk) 19:38, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 11:28, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:21, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Better Bones

Votes

Bones look dirty, rough, and charred, which is appropriate in some cases but not all. Even old bones often have a smooth white appearance. Kryptopyr (talk) 17:51, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Not an actually improvement from my standpoint. Techangel85 (talk) 01:57, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 19:38, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 11:28, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:25, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Better Shadowmarks

Votes

Kryptopyr (talk) 17:43, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 01:58, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 14:11, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 11:28, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:25, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Dark Brotherhood Tenets Restored

Votes

The style of this retexture looks out of place. Techangel85 (talk) 02:00, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

(address only one "guild" in Skyrim, and change doesn't significantly improve immersion) Kelmych (talk) 19:40, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:25, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 07:52, June 26, 2013 (MDT)

Designs of the Nords

Votes

I like these designs better than vanilla in most cases, but the mod probably strays too far from the vanilla style to be appropriate for Core STEP. Kryptopyr (talk) 17:55, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

I want to keep it for the pack, but I agree that the style is just over the line to be included in Core. Techangel85 (talk) 02:04, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 20:08, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 12:13, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Pack Solist (talk) 21:25, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Destructible Bottles

Votes

Having bottles break when struck is both much more realistic and a good stress reliever. Very buggy. Known to sometimes stop the Unrelenting Force shout from working, can cause bounties to raise inadvertently in certain places, and apparently causes save game bloat. Needs to be remade to be in STEP. WilliamImm (talk) 06:20, June 6, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 21:12, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Thecompiler (talk) 01:24, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

(expansion vs. fix for vanilla) Kelmych (talk) 20:09, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 12:13, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:25, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 07:52, June 26, 2013 (MDT)

Detailed Rugs

Votes

Direct improvement of vanilla textures in most cases. Techangel85 (talk) 21:16, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 08:12, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 14:12, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 12:13, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:25, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Enhanced Dragon Bones

Votes

HQ vanilla-friendly improvement Techangel85 (talk) 10:55, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 22:03, June 15, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 12:13, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:25, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 14:02, June 27, 2013 (MDT)

HD Baskets

Votes

HQ vanilla-friendly improvement Techangel85 (talk) 10:56, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 14:12, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 14:16, June 16, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 12:13, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:25, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

HD Linens

Votes

HQ vanilla-friendly improvement Techangel85 (talk) 10:57, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 14:13, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 14:16, June 16, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 12:13, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:25, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

HD Ore & Ingots

Votes

HQ vanilla-friendly improvement Techangel85 (talk) 10:57, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 20:10, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 12:13, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:25, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 07:53, June 26, 2013 (MDT)

HD Sacks

Votes

HQ vanilla-friendly improvement Techangel85 (talk) 10:58, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 14:13, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

I don't feel that STEP necessarily needs to change it's recommendation, but I do think that Type A is closer to vanilla for the big sack, while Type B is closer for the small sack. Kryptopyr (talk) 14:18, June 16, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 12:13, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:25, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

HQ Skyrim Map

Votes

HQ vanilla-friendly improvement Techangel85 (talk) 11:01, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 20:11, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 12:13, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:25, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 06:47, June 27, 2013 (MDT)

Intricate Spider Webs

Votes

HQ vanilla-friendly improvement Techangel85 (talk) 11:03, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 14:22, June 16, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 20:21, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 12:13, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:25, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

New Thinner Torch

Votes

I consider this to be a fix. Techangel85 (talk) 11:04, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 14:19, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 14:22, June 16, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 12:13, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:25, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Not Really HD-Display Case

Votes

HQ improvement. Wood is a bit darker than vanilla. Looks a bit out of place; however, so does vanilla IMO. Techangel85 (talk) 11:06, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 14:25, June 16, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 20:12, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 12:13, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:25, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Not Really HD-Keys

Votes

HQ vanilla-friendly improvement (I could take this one or leave it) Techangel85 (talk) 11:08, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 14:25, June 16, 2013 (MDT)

(small improvement) Kelmych (talk) 20:11, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 12:13, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:25, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Pilgrim's Delight

Votes

HQ vanilla-friendly improvementTechangel85 (talk) 11:09, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Isn't the Legacy version more lore-friendly than the dragon runes? The inscriptions would have been intended for the Nords, not for the dragons, and while the Graybeards can read the dragon script, I'm not sure most pilgrims would be able to. (I prefer the Legacy version, but either one is an improvement) Kryptopyr (talk) 14:29, June 16, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 20:13, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Agree to use 'legacy' version. ~z929669 Talk 12:13, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:25, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Radiant & Unique Potions & Poisons

Votes

Most are HQ replacements. Some are too "vibrant" for vanilla IMO. (I could go either way on this one) Techangel85 (talk) 11:24, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

(potions are magical and should be distinctive; this mod includes a large set of HD replacements) Kelmych (talk) 14:18, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Many of these look out of place compared to other vanilla items. Kryptopyr (talk) 14:34, June 16, 2013 (MDT)

We need some sort of visual identification for the items, right? But, conflicts with anything that modifies potions or booze in any way. Wish Bash had more patching functionality... (I love the idea, but I'm not sure about the implemtation) WilliamImm (talk) 21:22, June 16, 2013 (MDT)

We need to use Silly Level of Detail-Potions & Poisons 'ceramic' for STEP. ~z929669 Talk 12:13, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:25, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Realistic Instruments

Votes

HQ vanilla-friendly improvement. Not sure I would consider this vanilla-friendly. It definitely changes the appearance of the instruments. Techangel85 (talk) 11:25, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 14:18, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 22:06, June 15, 2013 (MDT)

I think that this is a realistic rendition, but it may be better for a Pack for that reason. ~z929669 Talk 12:13, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:25, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Realistic Paper

Votes

Techangel85 (talk) 11:25, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

I prefer Main over Dark, but either one is a vanilla-friendly texture improvement. Kryptopyr (talk) 14:37, June 16, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 20:13, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Main version is more like vanilla ~z929669 Talk 12:13, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:25, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Septim HD

Votes

HQ vanilla-friendly improvement Techangel85 (talk) 11:26, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 14:38, June 16, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 20:15, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

The originals are much better and representative of low-tech minting that would have been prevalent in Skyrim. Also, vanilla looks more worn, which is better, IMO ~z929669 Talk 12:13, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:25, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Shrines HD

Votes

HQ vanilla-friendly improvement. Changes coloring of two shrines (not a big deal for me, Tech) Techangel85 (talk) 11:28, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 14:39, June 16, 2013 (MDT)

(I still prefer Psychosteve's version; this also changes some shrine colors) Kelmych (talk) 20:17, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Too different from Vanilla. I also really hate the blue water in Stendarr (what exactly is this material??) ~z929669 Talk 12:13, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:25, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Honestly, not that different from vanilla, and adds a little more variety to the shrines as well. WilliamImm (talk) 21:50, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Silly Level of Detail-Potions & Poisons

Votes

HQ vanilla-friendly improvement Techangel85 (talk) 11:28, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

I completely agree with z, Ceramic version looks much better than RUPP. Kryptopyr (talk) 14:43, June 16, 2013 (MDT)

(I prefer RUPP which has better distinctive HD bottles but these are closer to vanilla; RUPP should be in the new pack as an optional replacement as I feel most users prefer it) Kelmych (talk) 20:19, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Definitely prefer 'ceramic' version over Radiant & Unique Potions & Poisons. ~z929669 Talk 12:13, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:25, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Silly Level of Detail-Wine Cellar

Votes

HQ vanilla-friendly improvement Techangel85 (talk) 11:29, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 14:43, June 16, 2013 (MDT)

(only 2 of the textures are HD; the remaining ones are similar quality to vanilla. Except for the 2 HD ones I prefer the ones in RUPP (similar to the choice made for TPC)) Kelmych (talk) 19:45, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 12:13, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:25, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Skyrim Redesigned

Votes

HQ vanilla-friendly improvement of many items in the game Techangel85 (talk) 11:30, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 20:12, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Only if using the current STEP BCF. ~z929669 Talk 12:13, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:25, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 06:57, June 27, 2013 (MDT)

Soul Gems Differ

Votes

I don't believe this to be a vanilla oversight Techangel85 (talk) 11:31, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

the gems should be visually distinctive and they aren't sufficiently so in vanilla Kelmych (talk) 14:16, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Most of the selections would be a departure from vanilla, and preferences may vary wildly (from colorful Morrowind-style to only subtle differences in color) so I think this one is best suited to packs. Kryptopyr (talk) 22:11, June 15, 2013 (MDT)

The vanilla-friendly versions are true to vanilla and also allow distinctions among the types -- and a correction to a vanilla oversight, IMO. Also, there is already a precedent for differing SGs in TES games. ~z929669 Talk 12:13, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:25, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Super Realistic Ore

Votes

HQ vanilla-friendly improvement Techangel85 (talk) 11:31, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 14:17, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 14:46, June 16, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 12:13, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:25, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Sweet Mother

Votes

HQ vanilla-friendly improvement Techangel85 (talk) 11:32, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 14:48, June 16, 2013 (MDT)

(I still prefer 83Willows version but this is closer to vanilla) Kelmych (talk) 19:42, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 12:13, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:25, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

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Activate Fail Noise Removal

Votes

Eliminates a lot of that annoying noise and improves immersion. ~FarloTalk 17:48, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 11:33, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 13:34, June 15, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 01:06, June 19, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:28, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 08:05, June 26, 2013 (MDT)

Ambient Seagulls

Votes

Simple mod with a big impact for immersion. ~FarloTalk 17:52, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Adds something, not unnecessary a fix. Thecompiler (talk) 18:07, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Replaces the wave sounds with ones with seagulls included, meaning you'll hear seagulls when there are none around. I'm recommending for complete removal from STEP. Birds of Skyrim adds seagull sounds where they are appropriate. On-going testing going on here: Ambient Seagulls Techangel85 (talk) 11:42, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 12:35, June 12, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 01:07, June 19, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 20:35, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:28, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Better Animal Footsteps

Votes

Way better sounds, much more realistic. ~FarloTalk 17:53, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 22:46, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 12:40, June 12, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 01:07, June 19, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:28, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 20:16, June 30, 2013 (MDT)

Better Bards

Votes

Fixes the awkward pauses between lines Techangel85 (talk) 11:48, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Does effect other dialog in the game because it edits a global variable to achieve this. Kryptopyr (talk) 14:25, June 12, 2013 (MDT)

I like the pauses and the original flow ~z929669 Talk 01:08, June 19, 2013 (MDT)

The change to the global variable is an optional file. I wouldn't pay for someone who clearly forgets his/her lines. WilliamImm (talk) 20:57, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:28, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 20:16, June 30, 2013 (MDT)

Better Horse Pain Sounds

Votes

Not realistic. Horses don't nicker and whinny when you ride them off a cliff. I agree there is definitely room to improve the vanilla sounds, but pain sounds probably shouldn't be "pleasant." Kryptopyr (talk) 08:19, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Hmmm, seems realistic to me. The new sounds don't really sound "happy" to me. Much better than vanilla to boot.~z929669 Talk 13:17, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 20:36, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Well, spare a thought for the people who use headphones (like me) - I do not want to suffer ear damage. WilliamImm (talk) 21:00, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:28, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Better Weapon Swings

Votes

A bit better than vanilla; however, some are a bit exaggerated. No one is going to be able to swing a great sword so fast to get that loud of a "whoosh" out of it. I have a few real swords I tested this with and can honestly say this mod exaggerates the sounds. Techangel85 (talk) 11:53, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 01:14, June 19, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 13:16, June 19, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 20:37, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:28, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Clanking Armor

Votes

I know it doesn't apply to DLC armors, this would be an immersion breaker Thecompiler (talk) 18:07, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 11:55, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 01:17, June 19, 2013 (MDT)

This mod frankly drives me nuts. Solist (talk) 21:28, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

That is why I've never installed this. Haha! (Tech)

Kryptopyr (talk) 08:09, June 26, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 20:18, June 30, 2013 (MDT)

Heart of the Beast

Votes

(I've never played as a werewolf, but sounds seem to be an improvement) Techangel85 (talk) 11:56, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 13:03, June 19, 2013 (MDT)

As a bit of a werewolf lover myself, I'd say that these are much better than vanilla. WilliamImm (talk) 21:02, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 13:17, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:28, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 20:18, June 30, 2013 (MDT)

Immersive Thunder

Votes

Greatly improves the sound of thunder. Not compatible with some weather mods like CoT. Techangel85 (talk) 22:48, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

(compatibility problems with other mods; I do feel mods like this have better quality sounds than the weather mods like CoT) Kelmych (talk) 13:39, June 15, 2013 (MDT)

General compatibility issues for Packs. This would be good for a light weather/lighting Pack. ~z929669 Talk 01:19, June 19, 2013 (MDT)

Climates of Tamriel! Solist (talk) 21:28, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

I would think this would be a simple uninstall if CoT was later installed through a pack. Kryptopyr (talk) 08:13, June 26, 2013 (MDT)

Improved Combat Sounds

Votes

HQ vanilla-friendly sound improvements Techangel85 (talk) 12:02, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 01:21, June 19, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 13:22, June 19, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 20:37, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:28, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Improved Horse Steps

Votes

(again, I don't play with horses so I'll let you guys decide) Techangel85 (talk) 12:04, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

an improvement ~z929669 Talk 01:22, June 19, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 13:34, June 19, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:28, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 20:21, June 30, 2013 (MDT)

Realistic Bow Sounds

Votes

HQ vanilla-friendly improvement to bow sounds Techangel85 (talk) 12:07, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 13:45, June 15, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 13:43, June 19, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 13:17, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:28, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Realistic Crossbow Sounds

Votes

Techangel85 (talk) 12:08, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 13:45, June 15, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 13:43, June 19, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 13:17, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:28, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Realistic Wolf Howls

Votes

(I've never decided if I like this mod or not) Techangel85 (talk) 12:09, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 13:17, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:28, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 06:55, June 27, 2013 (MDT)

(the sounds are certainly more noticeable) Kelmych (talk) 20:22, June 30, 2013 (MDT)

Silent Skyrim

Votes

Silences some vanilla sounds. (I'm on the fence, but leaning towards pack and not Core) Techangel85 (talk) 12:13, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

(the stealth-related sounds are immersion breaking for me need to be removed from Skyrim and I personally prefer to use this mod to remove this and a number of other unnecessary sounds) Kelmych (talk) 13:44, June 15, 2013 (MDT)

I think that this belongs in a stealth pack but not a vanilla oversight. ~z929669 Talk 13:17, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:28, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 17:40, June 29, 2013 (MDT)

Smooth Blade Draw & Sheathe

Votes

HQ vanilla-friendly improvement Techangel85 (talk) 12:13, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 13:59, June 19, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 20:33, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

I think that these sounds are just as lame or even worse than vanilla. ~z929669 Talk 13:17, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:28, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Sounds of Skyrim-Dungeons

Votes

Adds to vanilla Techangel85 (talk) 12:26, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

this and other SoS mods add useful background sounds but are not critical Kelmych (talk) 13:40, June 15, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 22:15, June 15, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 13:17, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:28, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Sounds of Skyrim-Wilds

Votes

Techangel85 (talk) 12:26, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 13:43, June 15, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 22:15, June 15, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 13:17, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:28, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Sounds of Skyrim-Civilization

Votes

Techangel85 (talk) 12:26, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 13:43, June 15, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 22:16, June 15, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 13:17, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:28, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Thundering Shouts

Votes

Improvement over vanilla but not necessary. Techangel85 (talk) 12:29, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

I like most of these changes, but a few shouts (primarily Aura Whisper) are immersion-breaking when they're given this much emphasis. Kryptopyr (talk) 14:09, June 19, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 20:33, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

There might be a way to create a wizard that allows selecting which shouts to enhance and which to leave alone. So, for quiet shouts, they are left alone, but others can be enhanced by this mod. Just an idea. WilliamImm (talk) 20:55, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 13:17, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:28, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

Waterbreathing Breathless Emerge

Votes

Kryptopyr (talk) 08:22, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

I feel this is a fix. Techangel85 (talk) 12:30, June 11, 2013 (MDT)

Thecompiler (talk) 07:25, June 12, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 13:40, June 15, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 13:17, June 24, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 21:28, June 25, 2013 (MDT)

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Ars Metallica-Smithing

Votes

• Makes non-vanilla changes to smithing and perks. Techangel85 (talk) 00:49, June 8, 2013 (MDT)
• Kryptopyr (talk) 13:32, June 8, 2013 (MDT)
• ~z929669 Talk 01:12, June 9, 2013 (MDT)
• ~FarloTalk 14:43, June 9, 2013 (MDT)
• Solist (talk) 10:32, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

(more appropriate for a pack) Kelmych (talk) 20:24, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Auto Unequip Ammo

Votes

Thecompiler (talk) 02:05, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 08:22, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

~FarloTalk 14:44, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 00:46, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 10:34, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 14:20, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Bring Out Your Dead

Votes

~z929669 Talk 01:13, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Thecompiler (talk) 01:28, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Adds already present content to different locations (Depending on how "intrusive" it is) ~FarloTalk 14:45, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 00:49, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

(Much like everyone else, I've always been rather indifferent about this mod. I use it simply because it's part of STEP - I haven't really ever paid any special attention to it. Solist (talk) 10:35, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Changes character objects of many NPCs, so without multiple separate patches many of the changes can be lost Kelmych (talk) 14:25, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

I didn't realize that the vanilla game did this until I saw this mod. I've been using this mod since it's been part of STEP, but I couldn't tell you whether it works properly or not since I've never really noticed it one way or another. In theory, I really like the idea behind the mod, but for me it's just too minor a detail to be worth the potential conflicts. Kryptopyr (talk) 14:29, June 19, 2013 (MDT)

Candle Lanterns of the North

Votes

Not vanilla and not necessary ~z929669 Talk 01:54, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Thecompiler (talk) 01:59, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 08:23, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

~FarloTalk 14:46, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 01:19, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 10:48, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 14:28, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Clams Drop Pearls

Votes

corrects an inconsistency ~z929669 Talk 01:54, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Thecompiler (talk) 01:59, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

~FarloTalk 14:47, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 01:19, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 10:52, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 14:26, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 22:18, June 15, 2013 (MDT)

Convenient Horses

Conflicts with anything that modifies Horse.nif or Shadowmere.nif without a compatibility patch such as Better Horses mod.

Warning message is the same as Footprints mod which leads to saved game bloat, errors, and possibly breaking the save:

IMPORTANT: Before uninstalling the mod disable it via console (StopQuest CH) or scripts will remain in your save!

Votes

Goes much further than vanilla and adds many more features, possibly deviating too far from vanilla. Most of the additions are optional and can be turned off or easily ignored (for example, I've never used any of the auto-looting features, horse armors, or horse inventory). The changes do improve functionality of horses in the game and are a huge improvement over the vanilla horses. Also, because all of the changes are centered on horseback riding, I don't think there is a high potential for conflict with other mods, and the changes don't really alter general gameplay. (inclined toward pack) Kryptopyr (talk) 13:55, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

(barebones settings only) ~z929669 Talk 01:54, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Thecompiler (talk) 01:29, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

(with minimal settings) ~FarloTalk 14:50, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

(not worth it if the result of users incorrectly uninstalling it is a broken game plus the potential for conflicts. I beg you guys to reconsider this one for pack only!) Techangel85 (talk) 00:35, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

I've always felt this mod adds more than necessary in its core focus where just fixing horses would have been great, then optionals for the extra fluff. (Only if done so with the most bare-bones install possible; more inclined for this to be part of a STEP Pack though) Solist (talk) 16:21, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 14:27, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Death Cam Duration Options

Votes

Not necessary ~z929669 Talk 01:54, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Thecompiler (talk) 02:03, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

~FarloTalk 14:50, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 01:20, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 16:22, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 14:28, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 14:38, June 19, 2013 (MDT)

Disable Thieves Guild Autostart

If deemed a 'fix', this needs to go in sec D.

Votes

Not vanilla intention. Blocks users from certain aspects of the game. ~z929669 Talk 01:54, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

~FarloTalk 14:51, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

For me, this is a fix. This doesn't block anything. It gives the player the choice to start the Thieves Guide quests or not by talking to the guy who autostarts it initially. As these quests have nothing to do with the main storyline, I feel this was an oversight in development. Some players may want nothing to do with the Guild and having it autostart is a complete annoyance. Techangel85 (talk) 00:33, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Agree with tech on this, I did not like being forced into having to do anything associated with that quest line my first playthrough of the game, and in subsequent even when playing a character that pursued the thieves guild, I didn't like how the quest was essentially forced on you. I prefer it to be something that is discovered/unlocked sort of like the Companion's Guild was. Solist (talk) 16:23, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

(for me it's a yes if what tech and solist are saying is true, never tested it myself) Thecompiler (talk) 06:27, June 12, 2013 (MDT)

WilliamImm (talk) 11:57, June 12, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 14:44, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 17:44, June 29, 2013 (MDT)

Drop Lit Torches

Votes

A sensible correction of vanilla gameplay ~z929669 Talk 01:54, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Thecompiler (talk) 02:00, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

~FarloTalk 14:52, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 01:21, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 17:49, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 14:43, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 09:36, June 26, 2013 (MDT)

Dual Wield Parrying

Votes

• A sensible vanilla correction (but I defer to good points following ... does not adhere to the mandate) ~z929669 Talk 01:54, June 9, 2013 (MDT)
• An ingame loading screen suggests the non blocking is intended for the gameplay balance Thecompiler (talk) 01:29, June 9, 2013 (MDT)
• Solist (talk) 17:49, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 14:29, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

I believe that the loading screen in question states "Dual wielding potentially doubles melee damage output... but prevents any kind of blocking." Kryptopyr (talk) 14:41, June 19, 2013 (MDT)

I know dual wielders cannot block by design, but when you have mods that change combat to be reliant on blocking (there are plenty), then dual wielders (or even sword and spell people) are completely stuffed. Voting yes. WilliamImm (talk) 08:40, June 23, 2013 (MDT)

Dynamic Fires

Votes

An unnecessary esp for an unnecessary feature, not for Core STEP imo Thecompiler (talk) 01:30, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 02:01, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Causes issues of some fire "going out" that shouldn't. Such as hearths. Kryptopyr (talk) 08:25, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

~FarloTalk 14:58, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 01:23, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 17:50, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 14:29, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Follower Trap Safety

Votes

This is nonessential and not necessarily an improvement ~z929669 Talk 01:54, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Causes follows to not trigger traps Kryptopyr (talk) 08:25, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

~FarloTalk 15:00, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 01:24, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 17:50, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

(useful for companions, but may not needed in core STEP) Kelmych (talk) 20:26, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Gildergreen Regrown

Votes

Not an improvement; not necessary ~z929669 Talk 01:54, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

~FarloTalk 15:00, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 01:27, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

WilliamImm (talk) 04:42, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Corrects inconsistency of storyline of sapling regrowing. Vanilla, you never see it grow. This mod, you do. Solist (talk) 17:51, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 18:08, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Thecompiler (talk) 06:29, June 12, 2013 (MDT)

(vanilla handles graphics for this quest poorly, but even this isn't a total fix) Kelmych (talk) 14:33, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Guard Dialogue Overhaul

Votes

Changes are all vanilla-friendly and in most cases do seem to adhere to the original intentions of the game designers that just didn't get properly implemented in the vanilla game. Kryptopyr (talk) 14:01, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Thecompiler (talk) 01:41, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

This one and others that we are keeping for similar reasons really should go into Sec D - Fixes. ~z929669 Talk 02:01, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

~FarloTalk 15:01, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 01:28, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Solist (talk) 17:53, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 14:33, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Lantern Caretakers

Votes

Supports a mod that adds new assets to the game ~z929669 Talk 01:54, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Thecompiler (talk) 02:03, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 08:26, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

~FarloTalk 15:01, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 01:29, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 14:30, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Lock Overhaul

Votes

Thecompiler (talk) 02:04, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Makes leveling "lockpicking" easier. Adds non-vanilla features Kryptopyr (talk) 08:26, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Adds missing features that can be considered an oversight. (Why can't I swing my axe and bash the lock?) ~FarloTalk 15:06, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 01:34, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 14:34, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

More Salt Please

Votes

Not necessary ~z929669 Talk 01:54, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Thecompiler (talk) 02:05, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 08:26, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

~FarloTalk 15:07, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 01:35, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 14:30, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Move It Dammit

Can this be implemented via script or INI?

Mergable into Bash Patch, BTW, so ESP limitations are not an issue.

Votes

This is a decent 'correction' of a frequent vanilla problem ~z929669 Talk 01:54, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

(we can easily merge this in the STEP esp)Thecompiler (talk) 02:06, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

(if it can be done via tweaks) ~FarloTalk 15:10, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

(unless it can be done via tweaks) Techangel85 (talk) 01:36, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

This mod just changes four game settings. I'm for merging into patch. Kryptopyr (talk) 12:10, June 12, 2013 (MDT)

(reasonable fix for some small vanilla problems; can easily be merged into a single patch with other small changes) Kelmych (talk) 20:29, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Can be merged into Bash patch, so ESP limitations are not a problem. WilliamImm (talk) 20:35, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

No NPC Greetings

Votes

~z929669 Talk 01:54, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

(I'd rather see it done via tweaks) ~FarloTalk 15:11, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 01:37, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

I do feel some reduction in this distance is necessary. I've had to replay too many conversations due to random NPCs talking over the more-important conversation my character was trying to have. However, this mod only changes a single game setting. Is it worth an entire plugin slot? Kryptopyr (talk) 12:11, June 12, 2013 (MDT)

(at least until we create a general STEP patch that incorporates a number of the simple fixes) Kelmych (talk) 14:39, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

(This is also easily mergeable in the STEP esp) Thecompiler (talk) 16:02, June 19, 2013 (MDT)

Can be merged into Bash patch, so ESP limitations are not a problem. WilliamImm (talk) 20:34, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Non-Essential Children

Votes

corrects a vanilla inconsistency ~z929669 Talk 01:54, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

~FarloTalk 15:15, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 01:38, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

As far as i know, Dragonborn children are not addressed. This could break immersion (if it does work as intended yes, last time it didn't for me, maybe just my problem Thecompiler (talk) 06:31, June 12, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 14:43, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

The changes do apply to Dragonborn without needing a patch. As far as I'm aware, the only thing lacking is a unique inventory for Aeta (she'll simply have her normal vanilla inventory). Kryptopyr (talk) 09:43, June 26, 2013 (MDT)

Oblivion Gates

Votes

Not necessary ~z929669 Talk 01:54, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Thecompiler (talk) 02:11, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

~FarloTalk 15:17, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 01:38, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 14:40, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 14:47, June 19, 2013 (MDT)

Paarthurnax Dilemma

Votes

'Corrects' an oversight. Deviates from a vanilla quest line ~z929669 Talk 01:54, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Thecompiler (talk) 02:09, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 08:52, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

~FarloTalk 15:19, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

(Guys this one is no different than Gildergreen Regrown. So why is one being approved and the other one not?) Techangel85 (talk) 01:39, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

The way I see it: Gildergreen Regrown is not really addressing any oversights in that quest. There's really nothing wrong with either of the two vanilla options, so the changes GR makes are nice but not necessary. Paarthurnax Dilemma, on the other hand, fixes an incredibly frustrating aspect of the vanilla main quest, where many players run head-on into this immersion-breaking decision and wonder why the game doesn't give them the option to debate the matter with the Blades. I feel that the lack of any additional dialogue choices is a blatantly obvious omission that this mod corrects. Kelmych (talk) 14:35, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Run For Your Lives

Votes

a sensible 'correction' ~z929669 Talk 01:54, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Thecompiler (talk) 02:08, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 08:52, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

~FarloTalk 15:19, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 01:42, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 14:39, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Skyrim Coin Replacer

Votes

Not vanilla intent. Arguably a 'correction' of a vanilla inconsistency ~z929669 Talk 01:54, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Thecompiler (talk) 02:09, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Adds new items that give a ton of money. ~FarloTalk 15:22, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 01:42, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Potential for conflicts due to changes made to cells, containers, leveled lists, etc. Kryptopyr (talk) 12:27, June 12, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 14:46, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Skyrim Uncapper

Votes

Pretty much a 'fix' IMO as long as its use is limited and specified. (I also think that this is a rare exception to the mandate ... think about older TES games, too) ~z929669 Talk 01:54, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

~FarloTalk 15:23, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 01:43, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

(if it is a fix "as it is" yes, otherwise it's not necessary)Thecompiler (talk) 06:32, June 12, 2013 (MDT)

I wouldn't play without this mod, but I think it flies in the face of vanilla intentions. Bethesda chose to address this issue with the "Legendary" skill reset. I personally hate the skill reset, but I don't believe that the Uncapper's solution is correcting a vanilla oversight. Kryptopyr (talk) 22:27, June 15, 2013 (MDT)

(not consistent with vanilla but still very important; I agree with Kryptopyr that the "Legendary" skill reset seems silly) Kelmych (talk) 20:31, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

The Choice is Yours

Votes

Changes dialogues, quest requirements, and quests. ~FarloTalk 15:25, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Wasn't seeing a problem with this until that paragraph right above the GEMS badge. Wish the author would provide a version without those extra changes that go beyond simple fixes for autostarting quests. Techangel85 (talk) 01:47, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

(love this mod, not for core for sure, but i hope to see this mantained)Thecompiler (talk) 06:33, June 12, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 14:35, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

The only quest that has a non-vanilla option to resolve it is Boethiah's Calling. The problem I ran into here was that in certain situations it's possible for Boethiah to appear and actually assign you the quest. While it makes sense to be able to just say 'no' and walk away from a regular person, when a Daedric prince tells you to do something, I felt that there really needed to be a consequence for saying no or else adding the refusal choice just wasn't realistic. Despite what the description says, it's very unlikely that I'll add further options to other quests. It just takes too long and there's still plenty of work to do in just correcting the auto-starting quests. Kryptopyr (talk) 09:45, June 26, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 17:05, June 20, 2013 (MDT)

Traps Make Noise

Votes

~FarloTalk 15:25, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 01:48, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 17:05, June 20, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 20:29, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Can be merged into Bash patch, so ESP limitations are not a problem. WilliamImm (talk) 20:34, June 22, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 09:46, June 26, 2013 (MDT)

Wearable Lanterns

Votes

Not a vanilla intent ~z929669 Talk 01:54, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Thecompiler (talk) 02:02, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

~FarloTalk 15:26, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 01:48, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 12:28, June 12, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 14:46, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Lanterns for Caravans

Votes

~FarloTalk 15:26, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Plausible that caravans did have lanterns to help them see. Most did back in the day in our realm. Techangel85 (talk) 01:50, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 12:28, June 12, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 14:38, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 17:05, June 20, 2013 (MDT)

Lanterns for Guards

Votes

~FarloTalk 15:27, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 01:50, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 12:31, June 12, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 14:35, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 17:05, June 20, 2013 (MDT)

When Vampires Attack

Votes

Thecompiler (talk) 02:12, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

fixes behavior that should have been in vanilla Kryptopyr (talk) 08:53, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

~FarloTalk 15:29, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 01:51, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 14:37, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 17:05, June 20, 2013 (MDT)

Wet & Cold

Votes

Potentially unsafe for using the cloaking method, and a bit advanced mod to be in Core STEP. I recommend adding Get Snow in Core STEP (it doesn't use scripts and it's very light), and instruct to remove it if installing the Pack with W&C Thecompiler (talk) 01:42, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

~FarloTalk 15:29, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Though I agree this might be too script heavy for Core, most of the features I feel are oversights from vanilla. Techangel85 (talk) 01:54, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 14:36, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 15:30, June 19, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 17:05, June 20, 2013 (MDT)

Wet & Cold - Ashes

Votes

Thecompiler (talk) 02:10, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

~FarloTalk 15:30, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Techangel85 (talk) 01:55, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Kelmych (talk) 14:36, June 13, 2013 (MDT)

Kryptopyr (talk) 15:31, June 19, 2013 (MDT)

~z929669 Talk 17:05, June 20, 2013 (MDT)

Basically, Wet&Cold for Solenthiem (or whatever it was spelled). If we are dropping that, then we can drop this one too. WilliamImm (talk) 19:52, June 20, 2013 (MDT)

[edit]

General Information

Below are the results of the voting thus far (6/29/13). Included are some notes from the votes as well as some quick statistics.

Total Current Mods: 238
Total Reduced to: 152
Total Reduction: ~36%

SECTION D - Fixes

STEP Core

• Ancient Nord Armor Fix
• Appropriately Attired Jarls
• Argonian Decapitation Fix
• Bowlegged Jump Fix
• Brawl Bugs Patch

• Enhanced Blood Testures (EBT) include all of the fixes from this mod. Consider moving EBT up in the installation order and removing this mod.

• Consistent Older People
• Cursor Fix
• Dead Body Collision

• Consider using no spell version

• Elys AltF4
• Fast Travel Timescale Fix

• This fix should be researched to figure out if it can be done via INI tweaks

• Fuz Ro D'oh
• Nitpick
• Skyrim Project Optimization
• Tail Twist Fix
• Unofficial Skyrim Patch
• Unofficial Dawnguard Patch
• Unofficial Hearthfire Patch
• Unofficial Dragonborn Patch
• Unofficial High Resolution Patch
• Acquisitive Soul Gems
• Trade & Barter

• For only the fixes, use the .esp file from the regular version but don't activate the mod in the MCM menu.

• Weapon & Armor Fixes

STEP Pack

• Dual Sheath Redux
• Distant Decal Fix

• Mainly fixed by the USKP. Should be considered for complete removal.

• Even Better Quest Objectives
• Realistic Ragdolls & Force (because Maximum Skeleton was mvoed to Pack)
• Maximum Skeleton

Current Mods: 27 Reduced to: 22 Reduced: ~19%

SECTION E - Interface

STEP Core

• Better Dialogue Controls
• Better MessageBox Controls
• Disease Descriptions

• Possibility for WilliamImm to provide a version that just lists the physical symptoms and some of the gameplay effect.

• High Quality 3D Map
• Lockpicking Interface
• Quality World Map
• Race Menu
• Skill Interface

• vanilla-friendly option only

• SkyUI
• Unknown Enchants

STEP Pack

• Altar Descriptions
• Dungeon Quest Awareness
• Immersive HUD
• Interface Key Tweaks

• Should be considered to be moved to Utilities

• Lore-Based Loading Screens
• No Boring Wait Menu
• No Menu & Loading Smoke
• Not Another Colored Map Icon Mod
• Spinning Skyrim Emblem
• Time On Loading Screen
• Unique Region Names

Deadlocked

• Main Font Replacement

Current Mods: 23 Reduced to: 9 Reduced: ~61%

SECTION F - Conflicting Graphics

STEP Core

• HRDLC Optimized
• Better Dynamic Snow
• Detailed Chests
• No Stretching
• Ruins Clutter Improvement
• Better Rocks & Mountains
• Static Mesh Improvement Mod
• HD Miscellaneous Items
• Tobe's Hi-Res Textures
• Food & Ingredients

STEP Pack

• Skyrim HD

• Consider using only a hand selected set of these textures like SR

Deadlocked/Unknown

• Serious HD

• Consider using only a hand selected set of these textures

Current Mods: 12 Reduced to: 10 Reduced: 17%

SECTION G - Environment

STEP Core

• Snow & Rocks HD
• AOF Detailed Mountains
• AOF Farmhouses
• Skyrim Flora Overhaul

• Basic edition only

• Bumpy Inn & Shop Signs
• Chimneys for Skyrim
• Dragon Glyphs-Fixed
• Enhanced Night Skyrim

• No Galaxy, medium stars

• HD Enhanced Terrain
• High Quality LODs
• Hybrid's Plants & Herbs
• Improved Puddles
• Moss Rocks
• Point the Way
• Real Ice
• Realistic Mushrooms
• Realistic Tundra Moss
• Trees HD
• Visible Windows

• Should research options to provide the best replacement to vanilla for each location

• WATER
• Whiterun Trellis Redesigned
• Windmills Resized

STEP Pack

• Distant Detail

• Considered for complete removal or replacement by The Skyrim Distance Overhaul LOD Improvement

• Footprints
• Lanterns Of Skyrim
• Legible Road Signs

• Considered for removal in favor of Roadsigns Redone

• Moon Size Tweaks

• Possibly provide instructions how to replicate this into a single file in TES5Edit

• Vibrant Auroras

Deadlocked/Unknown

• Re-Defined Dungeons (everyone seems indifferent on this one)

• Consider using only a hand selection of textures. Beauty of Skyrim - Dungeons was just released, worth a close look.

Current Mods: 29 Reduced to: 22 Reduced: ~24%

SECTION H - Characters

STEP Core

• Bellyache's Creature Pack
• Realistic Hair

• Compare with HD Lore Friendly Hair

• AOF Believable Hair

• Compare with HD Lore Friendly Hair

• Beards
• Bellyache's Dragons
• Better Beast Races
• Better Freckles
• Breathing Idles
• Brows
• Cover Khajiits
• Dawnguard Rewritten-Arvak
• Diverse Priests
• Female Vampires Have Fangs
• Frost Atronach HD
• Ice Wraith
• New Children
• Better Male Feet

STEP Pack

• 101 Bugs
• Antz in my Pantz
• Birds & Flocks
• Birds of Skyrim

• Consider for complete removal from STEP

• Improved Foot Wraps
• More Village Animals
• Pond Fish
• Rabbits Plus

• Should be removed in favor of the texture only version and for Automatic Variants users, this Automatic Variants pack (with only rabbits)

• Xenius Character Enhancement
• XCE-Dawnguard

Deadlocked/Unknown

• Natural Eyes (deadlocked)

Current Mods: 28 Reduced to: 17 Reduced: ~39%

SECTION I - Clothing

STEP Core

• Book of Silence
• Explosive Bolts Visualized
• Closer Quivers & Longer Arrows
• Elemental Staffs
• Elven Weapons for Silence
• Weapon De-LARP Project
• Greatsword Sheaths & Scabbards
• Improved Closefaced Helmets
• Jewels of the Nord
• Nightingale Prime

• Leather version only

• Not Really HD-Mask of Clavicus Vile
• Shield of Ysgramor
• Ultimate HD Torch

STEP Pack

• Accingite Vos

• Consider for complete removal from STEP

• Better Circlets
• Daedric Armor & Weapons

Current Mods: 16 Reduced to: 13 Reduced: ~19%

SECTION J - Animations

STEP Core

• Better Turn Animation
• Enchantment Effect Replacer
• Enhanced Blood

• Includes all of the Brawl fixes already

• Enhanced Projectile Soul Trap
• Finer Dust
• Improved Weapon Impact Effects
• Lightning During Thunder Storms
• No Spinning Death Animation
• Realistic Smoke & Embers
• Running With Bows
• Skyrim Sunglare

• No lens flare version only

• Ultimate HD Fire Effects

STEP Pack

• Animated Weapon Enchants
• Burn Freeze & Shock Effects
• Dual Wield Blocking Animations
• New Idles for Skyrim
• Rainbows
• Shooting Stars
• Skyrim Performance Plus

Deadlock/Unknown

• Deadly Spell Impacts (deadlock)
• Rune Weapon FX

Current Mods: 21 Reduced to: 13 Reduced: ~38%

SECTION K - Clutter

STEP Core

• Better Shadowmarks
• Detailed Rugs
• Enhanced Dragon Bones
• HD Baskets
• HD Linens
• HD Ore & Ingots
• HD Sacks
• HQ Skyrim Map
• Intricate Spider Webs
• New Thinner Torch
• Not Really HD-Display Case
• Not Really HD-Keys
• Pilgrim's Delight
• Realistic Paper
• Septim HD
• Shrines HD
• Silly Level of Detail-Potions & Poisons

• Consider ceramic version

• Silly Level of Detail-Wine Cellar
• Skyrim Redesigned
• Super Realistic Ore
• Sweet Mother

STEP Pack

• The 418th Step
• Better Bones
• Dark Brotherhood Tenets Restored
• Designs of the Nords
• Destructible Bottles

• Consider for complete removal from STEP

• Radiant & Unique Potions & Poisons

Deadlock/Unknown

• Realistic Instruments (deadlock)
• Soul Gems Differ (deadlock)

Current Mods: 29 Reduced to: 21 Reduced: ~28%

SECTION L - Sound

STEP Core

• Activate Fail Noise Removal
• Better Animal Footsteps
• Better Bards
• Better Horse Pain Sounds
• Better Weapon Swings
• Heart of the Beast
• Improved Combat Sounds
• Improved Horse Steps
• Realistic Bow Sounds
• Realistic Crossbow Sounds
• Realistic Wolf Howls
• Silent Skyrim
• Smooth Blade Draw & Sheathe
• Waterbreathing Breathless Emerge

STEP Pack

• Ambient Seagulls

• Should be considered for complete removal from STEP

• Clanking Armor
• Immersive Thunder
• Sounds of Skyrim-Dungeons
• Sounds of Skyrim-Wilds
• Sounds of Skyrim-Civilization
• Thundering Shouts

Current Mods: 21 Reduced to: 13 Reduced: ~38%

SECTION M - Gameplay

STEP Core

• Auto Unequip Ammo
• Clams Drop Pearls

• Bare minimal installation only

• Disable Thieves Guild Autostart
• Drop Lit Torches
• Gildergreen Regrown
• Guard Dialogue Overhaul

• Consider moving to Fixes

• Move It Dammit
• No NPC Greetings
• Non-Essential Children
• Paarthurnax Dilemma
• Run For Your Lives
• Skyrim Uncapper
• Traps Make Noise
• When Vampires Attack

STEP Pack

• Ars Metallica-Smithing
• Bring Out Your Dead
• Candle Lanterns of the North
• Convenient Horses
• Death Cam Duration Options
• Dual Wield Parrying
• Dynamic Fires

• Consider for complete removal from STEP

• Follower Trap Safety
• Lantern Caretakers
• Lock Overhaul
• More Salt Please
• Oblivion Gates
• Skyrim Coin Replacer
• The Choice is Yours
• Wearable Lanterns
• Lanterns for Caravans
• Lanterns for Guards
• Wet & Cold
• Wet & Cold - Ashes

Deadlock/Unknown

Current Mods: 32 Reduced to: 13 Reduced: ~59%