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TL;DR - Loads of text ahead. This post is pretty short but I've posted my entire mod list and plugin list in the next reply so beware it's very lengthy. Thanks to Greg for giving me a head's up.


Alright, I just finished installing both SR:LE and REGS as well as some other custom mods. I have everything setup and working, as well as conflict resolution. However, I have encountered a few bugs and have a question that maybe somebody could help me with.


First, I have Alternate Start installed and whenever I choose the option "I own property" it bugs out because whenever I sleep I wakeup right where the bed is in the ASLAL dungeon and MARA disappears. I have no lockpicks either so I have to reload the game. No matter how much I tried it keeps happening. Can somebody give an explanation?


Second, whenever I choose the Necromancer option I spawn in Blackreach in that little home. The problem is, is that when I leave the game CTD's immediately. I don't think I have mods that affect Blackreach either. 


EDIT; Actually, I have Blackreach Overhaul, maybe that's what causing issues?


Third, I don't know if it's supposed to be like this but the game is INCREDIBLY dark. Like, I can't see a *single* thing if there is no light source. Which makes sense but I don't want to have to carry a torch around constantly. I've tried to increase brightness and decrease gamma in both the Skyrim ini and ENB ini yet it is to no avail (makes the game look terrible). Is there any way to fix this, possibly removing a mod or just adjusting some settings in the ENB ini?


Also, apparently SR:LE just added Immersive Citizens:AI Overhaul to it's list and somebody just made a thread about it. Unfortunately it conflicts with JK's Skyrim and ETaC. I'm debating on whether or not removing that mod or the cities mods which I really don't want to do since both offer great immersion. Which should I remove? Also, could this possibly be linked to the reason why choosing the "Property' option in ASLAL just bugs out and doesn't spawn me in a city since they are conflicting?


I am also getting some minor flickering but it's not enough to bother me.


My specs.


-PCS+ R9 290

-Intel i5-4690K


-128GB SSD



So I have a decent system. But can the flickering issues be related to me having an AMD card alongside an ENB? They aren't annoying and ever so rarely it flickers but it's not very noticeable. Following STP's Z Fighter guide didn't help either.



My mod list is EVERYTHING SR:LE and REGS as well as these mods.


-The Way of the Force

-Apocalypse Magic


-Verdant Grass

-Here There Be Monsters

-Path of Shadows

-Immersive NPC Detection

-Armor Disguises

-Follow Me




-Deadly Combat

-Revenge of the Enemies

-Combat Evolved


I also replaced some of REGS quest mods as well.

-The Wheels of Lull


-Adal Matar the Last Stronghold

-The Cyrodiil Frontier (sequel to Adal Matar)

-The Dark Brotherhood Resurrection


With those added I removed...

-Understone Keep Fountains and Rubble

-Nightingale Hall Restored (Not fully compatible with EFF)

-Sky Haven Temple Merchants and More

-Farmhouse Chimneys


-Pit Fighter and it's sequel

-Amber Guard

-Apple Garden



-Snowbound Acres

-And the Realms of Daedra

-No Mercy

-Ogmunds Tomb

-Sea of Ghosts

-The Secret of Dragonhead

-The Temple of Black Rock

-Windcaller's Pass


I have removed a lot of mods so maybe this is an issue? I've downloaded the pre-made conflict resolution so possibly it has something for these mods but they aren't there? I'll add my modlist in the reply so you guys can see.

Edited by Maximan

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[spoiler=Load Order]


Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp
Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp
Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp
Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp
Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm
Gray Fox Cowl.esm
Cutting Room Floor.esp
Auto Unequip Ammo.esp
Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp
ELFX - Dragonborn.esp
Extended UI.esp
Atlas Compass Tweaks.esp
WetandCold - Ashes.esp
Moss Rocks.esp
Moss Rocks_DB.esp
RSChildren - CRF Patch.esp
Thieves Guild Requirements.esp
Convenient Horses.esp
ORM Convenient Alsvid.esp
The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp
DSAMG - Greybeard Fix.esp
DSAMG - Miraak Music Fixes.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
ELFX - Exteriors.esp
Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp
Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
ELFX - Dawnguard.esp
Book Covers Skyrim.esp
Helgen Reborn.esp
Point The Way.esp
Dual Sheath Redux.esp
Clothing & Clutter_3DNPC_Patch.esp
DYNAVISION Dynamic Depth of Field.esp
Dual Wield Parrying_SKSE.esp
Traps Are Dangerous.esp
WM Trap Fixes.esp
Dragon Combat Overhaul.esp
dD-No Spinning Death Animation Merged.esp
Vividian - Weather Patch CoT - AOS.esp
Vividian ENB - Extended Weathers.esp
ETaC - Complete.esp
ETaC - Dragon Bridge South.esp
ETaC - Complete RS Patch.esp
Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp
Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
ETaC - Complete ELFX Patch.esp
JKs Skyrim Major Cities.esp
Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp
Immersive Orc Strongholds.esp
ETaC - Complete EWDR Patch.esp
Weathered Road Signs.esp
Patch - Interesting NPCs - RS kids.esp
Better Dynamic Snow.esp
FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp
Complete Crafting_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp
Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp
RUSTIC SOULGEMS - Unsorted.esp
ISCompendium AOS Patch.esp
ISCompendium CCO Patch.esp
Rebirth Monster.esp
WAF_CCF_SIC Patch.esp
Here There Be Monsters.esp
Bring Out Your Dead.esp
Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp
REGS - Better Docks.esp
Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp
Immersive Whiterun.esp
Immersive Solstheim.esp
ETaC - Complete NoSnow Patch.esp
ETaC - Complete Holidays Patch.esp
Hebrock_Der Schatten von Meresis - EV.esp
BFT Ships and Carriages.esp
RBB - SR Merge.esp
Inconsequential NPCs.esp
Immersive Citizens - ELE patch.esp
Combat Evolved.esp
High Level Enemies - SIC.esp
Rebirth Monster - SIC Patch.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
dD-DG-DB-Immersive Creatures EBT Patch.esp
Path of Shadows.esp
ISCompendium Enhanced Blood Patch.esp
Better Vampires.esp
Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
Thunderchild - Dragon Language Words Patch.esp
Immersive detection of NPC.esp
Patch - Inconsequential NPCs - RS kids.esp
Inconsequential NPCs - CRF Compatibility Patch.esp
High Level Enemies - SIC Falskaar.esp
ETaC Complete - BOYD NPC Fix.esp
Atlas Legendary.esp
Immersive Patrols II.esp
ETaC - Complete BFT Patch.esp
ETaC - Complete CRF Patch.esp
Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin.esp
SFO - Dragonborn.esp
Book Covers Skyrim - Lost Library.esp
Immersive Citizens - RRR patch.esp
ETaC - Whiterun Ext CRF Patch.esp
Bathing in Skyrim - Main.esp
Bathing in Skyrim - Water for Realistic Water Two (Watercolor).esp
The Force.esp
Provincial Courier Service.esp
Better City Entrances - No Whiterun.esp
ETaC - Whiterun Ext ELFX Patch.esp
ETaC - Complete ORS Patch.esp
REGS Patch - 3DNPC.esp
REGS Patch - NSutR + RRR.esp
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
Magic of the Magna-Ge.esp
REGS Patch - Riften NavFull.esp
Dwemertech - Magic of the Dwarves.esp
Immersive Citizens - CRF patch.esp
Windhelm Lighthouse.esp
Immersive Citizens - PCS patch.esp
high hrothgar overhaul.esp
ETaC - Better Dynamic Snow Patch.esp
Prometheus_NSUTR BDS Patch.esp
Vividian - Torches Preset.esp
Vividian - Wearable Lanterns Preset.esp
Vividian - Weather Patch Vanilla.esp
iNeed - Dangerous Diseases.esp
Gildergreen Regrown.esp
Prometheus_NSUTR Falskaar Dock.esp
Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp
ETaC - Complete Atlas Patch.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
SR Conflict Resolution.esp
ETaC - Complete ELE Patch.esp
REGS - SRLE Patch.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp



[spoiler=Mod List]
+A Real Explorer's Guide to Skyrim
+The Last Altar
+The Lost Wonders of Mzark
+The Dark Brotherhood Resurrection
+The Shadow of Meresis
+The Gray Cowl of Nocturnal
+Moon and Star
+Helgen Reborn
+The Cyrodiil Frontier
+Adal Matar the Lost Stronghold
+The Wheels of Lull
+Morthal Pain
+Gate of Soitude
+No Snow Under The Roof
+4K Parallax Treebark
+Unique Border Gates
+Realistic Room Rental
+Better Dawnguard Entrance
+Immersive College of Winterhold
+High Hrothgar Overhaul
+Blackreach Overhaul
+Expanded Towns and Cities
+Winterhold - Expanded Ruins
+Windhelm Lighthouse
+Better Docks
+Nernie's Towns
+Better City Entrances
+JK's Skyrim Cities
+DynDOLOD Script
+SRLE Profile
+SR Conflict Resolution
+SUM - SkyProc Unified Manager
+Dragon Combat Overhaul
+Follow Me
+Armor Disguises
+Immersive detection of NPC
+Path of Shadows
+Here There Be Monsters
+Apocalypse Magic
+The Way of the Force
+Inconsequential NPCs
+Interesting NPC's
+Skyrim Immersive Creatures Patch
+EFF Patches
+Moonlight Tales
+Better Vampires 7.0
+Better Fast Travel
+Trade and Barter
+Skyrim Coin Replacer
+Trap Fixes
+Critter Fixes
+Combat Evolved
+Revenge Of the Enemies
+Deadly Combat - Deadly Combat 4_01
+Traps Make Noise
+Dual Wield Parrying
+Real Shelter
+Bathing in Skyrim
+Heart of the Beast
+Musical Lore
+Immersive Sounds
+Audio Overhaul
+Weapons and Armor Fixes Remade
+Clothing and Clutter Fixes
+Complete Crafting Overhaul
+Winter Is Coming
+Wearable Lanterns
+JaySuS Swords
+Immersive Armors
+Cloaks of Skyrim
+Bandolier - Dawnguard
+Lore Friendly and SemiSkimpy Armors
+TroubleMakers Forsworn Armor
+TroubleMakers Clothing
+UNP Female Armors
+UNP Dragonborn Armors
+UNP Dawnguard Armors
+Stormcloak and City Guards
+Nightingale - Carbon Fiber
+Nightingale Prime HD
+New Jewels for Circlets
+Improved Closedface Helmets
+Gemling Queen Jewelry
+EotW Mage Robes
+EotW Equipment
+EotW Dawnguard
+Better Shaped Weapons
+Better Circlets
+Apophysis Dragon Priest Masks
+aMidianBorn Stormcloak Officer Armour
+aMidianBorn Steel Armor
+aMidianBorn Scaled Armor
+aMidianBorn Iron and Banded Armor
+aMidianBorn Imperial Light and Studded
+aMidianBorn Hide and Studded Hide
+aMidianBorn Book of Silence - CA
+aMidianBorn Book of Silence
+aMidianBorn Blade of Woe
+Dual Sheath Redux
+Wet and Cold
+Respectful Guard Animations
+Organized Bandits In Skyrim
+Immersive Patrols
+Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul
+High Level Enemies
+Guard Dialogue Overhaul
+Follower Commentary Overhaul
+Bring Out Your Dead
+360 Walk and Run Plus
+Greybeard Meditation - Dynamic
+Realistic Ragdolls and Force
+No Spinning Death Animation
+Dual Wield Improved Animation
+Blocking Animation Pack
+Immersive Animations
+HDT Physics Extensions
+Fores New Idles in Skyrim
+Faster Stand Up
+Dragon Soul Absorb More Glorious
+RS Children Merge
+RS Children Overhaul
+Mature Skin
+Khajiit Body
+FAR - Forgotten Argonian Roots
+Better males
+Argonian Female Refined
+XCE - Warpaint and Dirt
+Northborn Scars
+Better Makeup for SKSE
+The Eyes Of Beauty
+Superior Lore-Friendly Hair - HD textures
+More Realistic Hair
+Skyrim Immersive Creatures
+Deadly Dragons
+HD Bugs
+Dawnguard Rewritten - Arvak
+Convenient Horses
+PondFish and Salmon Replacer
+Deathwing Alduin
+Bellyaches HD Dragons
+Thieves Guild Requirements
+The Paarthurnax Dilemma
+The Choice is Yours
+Provincial Courier Service
+Gildergreen Regrown
+Cutting Room Floor
+Alternate Start - Live Another Life
+Enhanced Blood Textures
+Deadly Spell Impacts
+Burn Freeze Shock Effects
+Alternate Summoning Visuals
+Vivid Landscapes - Castle Volkihar
+Vivid Landscapes
+Wonders of Weather
+Vividian ENB Extended Weathers
+Ultimate HD Fire Effects
+TreesHD Fix
+Telvanni Reborn
+Skyrim Flora Overhaul
+Serious HD Retexture
+Rustic Nordic Murals
+Watercolor for ENB
+Realistic Water Two Merge
+Realistic Smoke and Embers
+Realistic Aspen Trees
+Real Ice
+Pilgrims Delight
+Moss Rocks - Dragonborn
+Moon Glow
+Lightning During Thunder Storms
+High Quality LODs
+High Quality 3D Map
+HD Stone Quarry and Clay Deposit
+HD Enhanced Terrain
+Enhanced Night Skyrim
+Embers HD
+Dynamic Map Snow
+Better Falskaar and Wyrmstooth Map
+Ash Rocks
+aMidianBorn Solstheim Landscape
+aMidianBorn Caves and Mines
+A Quality World Map and Solstheim Map - With Roads
+White Phial Replacer
+Weathered Road Signs
+Subliminal Traps
+Stunning Statues
+Septim HD
+Rustic Soulgems
+Rustic Potions and Potions
+Rustic Cooking Station
+Rustic Clutter Collection
+Ren's Shrines
+Realistic Boat Bobbing
+HQ Paper
+Hold Border Banners
+Gemling Queen Dragon Claws
+Enhanced Dragon Bones
+Improved Enchanter Candles
+Easier Lockpicking Without Cheating
+Book Covers Skyrim - Lost Library
+Book Covers Skyrim
+Bloody Dragon Bones
+Bloodstone Chalince Reborn
+Armed Talos and Better Shaped Weapons
+Barenziah's Glory
+Animated Dwemer Doors
+Animated Clutter
+Relighting Skyrim
+Project Parallax Remastered
+Enhanced Lights and FX
+Static Mesh Improvement Mod
+No Stretching
+The Ruffled Feather - EDT
+The Ruffled Feather
+ELE - Lite
+ENB Terrain Parallax Fix
+Vividian ENB
+SRLE Weather Systems Merge
+Climates of Tamriel
+Atlas Map Markers
+Face to Face Conversation
+Extensible Follower Framework
+Better Dialogue Controls
+Spinning Emblem
+Smaller Cursor
+No Poison Dialogues
+Main Font Replacement
+Immersive HUD
+Better MessageBox Controls
+A Matter of Time
+Extended UI
+Blocksteal Redux
+Stable uGridsToLoad
+Smart Souls
+Skyrim Project Optimization
+Enhanced Camera
+Ragdoll Paralysis
+Point The Way
+No NPC Greetings
+Horns Are Forever
+Follower Trap Safety
+Dragon Stalking Fix
+Enchantment Reload Fix
+Auto Unequip Ammo
+Skyrim Script Extender
+Cleaned Vanilla ESMs
+Unofficial Dragonborn Patch
+Dragonborn Optimized
*Unmanaged: Dragonborn
+Unofficial Hearthfire Patch
+Hearthfire Optimized
*Unmanaged: HearthFires
+Unofficial Dawnguard Patch
+Dawnguard Optimized
*Unmanaged: Dawnguard
+Unofficial Skyrim Patch
+Vanilla Optimized
*Unmanaged: quest_pitfighter_dlc01

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Well as its stated on the citizen overhaul page (and you have a thread here) that the mod is not compatible with etac, maybe thats causing the issues

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Well as its stated on the citizen overhaul page (and you have a thread here) that the mod is not compatible with etac, maybe thats causing the issues

I've actually just uninstalled Citizens AI Overhaul and am about to test.

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When you post long lists (such as mod lists), please include them in spoiler tags to keep the message size from scrolling too much.

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When you post long lists (such as mod lists), please include them in spoiler tags to keep the message size from scrolling too much.

No problem. Sorry for not doing that.




Anyways, I actually fixed the Blackreach issue, apparently uninstalling Blackreach Overhaul didn't exactly work. When it was installed, right when I went to open the door, it crashed immediately right before I hit the load screen. Uninstalling it showed the loading screen but when it fully loaded it CTD'd. I fixed the issue by switching the iShadowMapResolution Primary and Secondary to 1024, down from 2048 in my SkyrimPrefs.ini, and what do you know, it worked. Blackreach loaded perfectly fine :D


EDIT: Despite the fact that I at least hit didn't CTD immediately with Blackreach Overhaul installed, I decided to reinstall it and test with the new iShadowMapResolutions at 1024 and 2048 and vuala, it worked. So it looks like the shadows were the issue and Blackreach Overhaul is fine. Great!


Now that I've uninstalled Citizen AI Overhaul, The "Property" option still doesn't work. I still spawn back in the same room where I started and the Mara statue disappears. Interestingly enough I do spawn with the clothes on, e.g when I chose Whiterun I was out of my prisoner clothes. The last time I installed SR:LE about a few months back it worked absolutely fine, but I had a terrible GPU so I uninstalled it. Now that it doesn't work I'll look into it.


I can't do anything about the darkness but I'm starting to like it. Interiors and nights are pitch black but I can see a little. I love the adventurous feel and I love that it forces me to use a torch or magelight. The light sourcing is working amazingly. 


Also, by making some changes in the Catalyst Control Center the flickering is 98% gone, with the only time flickering starts is on loading screens yet it only happens one time. So that's good.


I'll update this reply when I figure everything out. For right now I'm just going to keep my iShadowMapResolutionPrimary at 512 and my Secondary at 1024 because lowering it reduces crashes A LOT. Now that I remember when I had them at 4096 the game would CTD at load up. Reducing them fixed the problem instantly, without any load order changes or patches. So that seems to play a big factor in stability.

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