Computer simulating 13-year-old boy becomes first to pass Turing test

[Kuldebar]

The future, around the next corner:

 

Supercomputer passes the Turing test by mimicking a teenager

 

 

Computer simulating 13-year-old boy becomes first to pass Turing test

 

Figures the first passable artificially intelligent machine would be the equivalent of a teenager.

 

Science fiction writers have often covered the possible ramifications of combining extreme intelligence/information access/precociousness together with an otherwise emotionally immature/underdeveloped being.

 

And, let's not fool ourselves, humans are actively looking for emotional responses from their artificial intelligence systems; we want to be convinced that the machine will care for things in the same ways as we do.

 

But, what if the machines just become progressively better at getting us to believe them?

[CJ2311]

But, what if the machines just become progressively better at getting us to believe them?

I'm already more inclined to believe a machine than a politician. ::P:But seriously though, this test doesn't mean anything, not to mention the fact that a lot of 13 years old seem to be rather stupid, to say the least, so it might be a case of humanity getting dumber rather than computers becoming smarter.

[Aiyen]

Main issue with the turing test is that you can simulate your way out of it without ever having AI... with sufficient CPU power and a detailed enough reference table you can do quite a few things... but it does not mean that you have a self learning system in any way. Just a very optimal algorithm for looking through tables. 

 

I would almost say that googles search results come from algorithms of a higher "AI" level then anything that has currently "passed" the turing test!  

[Kuldebar]

CJ2311, on 08 Jun 2014 - 4:55 PM, said:CJ2311, on 08 Jun 2014 - 4:55 PM, said:CJ2311, on 08 Jun 2014 - 4:55 PM, said:CJ2311, on 08 Jun 2014 - 4:55 PM, said:CJ2311, on 08 Jun 2014 - 4:55 PM, said:

I'm already more inclined to believe a machine than a politician.

 

But seriously though, this test doesn't mean anything, not to mention the fact that a lot of 13 years old seem to be rather stupid, to say the least, so it might be a case of humanity getting dumber rather than computers becoming smarter.

By itself, it's just a silly titillating news article based on real world application of the much hallowed Turing Test. But it also exemplifies the targeted goal of many in the artificial intelligence field, to me such a priority of making "believable" machines that have human-like intelligence is prone with potential pitfalls even if it turns out to be successful.

 

Your politician joke is highly pertinent. What if we could genetically engineer politicians? Perhaps enhance their ability to project all the qualities humans most desire in their leaders? Well, we don't have to engineer them, our society has generation upon generation of people and organizations dedicated to the bolstering and amplification of the gravitas and image of the political class in general. And more specifically, what truly successful professional politician doesn't have a bevy of handlers and spin doctors and good old fashioned marketers?

 

So, we get good actors, because that's where all the energy was invested. They can look you in the eye, promise you positive change; and not mean a lick of it.

Aiyen, on 08 Jun 2014 - 5:04 PM, said:Aiyen, on 08 Jun 2014 - 5:04 PM, said:Aiyen, on 08 Jun 2014 - 5:04 PM, said:Aiyen, on 08 Jun 2014 - 5:04 PM, said:Aiyen, on 08 Jun 2014 - 5:04 PM, said:

Main issue with the turing test is that you can simulate your way out of it without ever having AI... with sufficient CPU power and a detailed enough reference table you can do quite a few things... but it does not mean that you have a self learning system in any way. Just a very optimal algorithm for looking through tables. 

 

I would almost say that googles search results come from algorithms of a higher "AI" level then anything that has currently "passed" the turing test!  

I view the Turing Test as a simple marker attribute to the whole artificial life scenario.

 

At what point do humans accept/can accept/tolerate something as also intelligent or sentient? The idea was put forth: "Well we will know we are at that point when the intelligence can "fool" a significant percentage of humans in a blind test."

 

 

And, just a very optimal algorithm for looking through tables is a very good way of viewing intelligence. The emotional/fuzzy part of AI is the hardest nut to crack though. I recall reading a magazine article from the late 80's concerning the difficulty in teaching a computer the difference between a stool and a table.

 

The Turing Test is all about "fuzzy AI' that kind of amorphous intelligence that isn't so utterly rigid (like in the old Star Trek movies where the computer blows up, lol) that it can't interpret things.

 

Humans access huge tables of data and make fairly accurate guesses based available data, the number of data points sampled is immense. The distinction between a stool and table, which obviously have overlapping qualities, become fleshed out as more information is brought to bear.

Edited June 9, 2014 by Kuldebar

[EssArrBee]

Looks like many journalists on the internet just care about traffic now instead of actually doing any research and seeing if this story was true or not.

 

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140609/07284327524/no-computer-did-not-pass-turing-test-first-time-everyone-should-know-better.shtml

 

It is just a chatbot, which isn't even the first to pass the Turning test and it didn't even score as high as the last one that scored 59% vs 33%.

[Kuldebar]

EssArrBee, on 09 Jun 2014 - 1:48 PM, said:EssArrBee, on 09 Jun 2014 - 1:48 PM, said:

Looks like many journalists on the internet just care about traffic now instead of actually doing any research and seeing if this story was true or not.

 

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140609/07284327524/no-computer-did-not-pass-turing-test-first-time-everyone-should-know-better.shtml

 

It is just a chatbot, which isn't even the first to pass the Turning test and it didn't even score as high as the last one that scored 59% vs 33%.

A similar story was released in 2012, it was nearly identical to the one I posted. This is indicative the "push and the emphasis" of this sort of thing. Not overly shocked that facts become buffed away in an attempt to titillate and shine up a story; seems to be the sole purpose of the MSM and its internet spawn these days.

 

 

The Washington Post also felt inclined to post it as a story: A computer just passed the Turing Test in landmark trial

 

 

And, MSN: For the First Time Ever, a Computer Passed Turing Test for Artificial Intelligence

 

Sometimes I wonder who is trying so hard to shape opinion for things yet to come?

 

 

But more to point, computers have data retrieval/access down to a science and are only going to get better at it.

 

So, a real AI needs personality, it needs to interact with humans, and humans love to be fooled; because no one wants to be bossed around by a soulless robot, right?

Edited June 9, 2014 by Kuldebar

[EssArrBee]

In my time working for the defense department doing research it was decided a while back that the only way forward for AI would be analog systems since they have the capacity to do more than 0-1, yes-no, true-false. Sometimes to be intelligent you need that maybe command. There is a lovely thought experiment about logic systems a while back that showed only irrational thought could allow you know more than the logic system you current exist inside of, so binary systems just can't do it in there current form because we've only ever allowed them to process things based on logic. There is a limit to how much they can know.

 

One fun fact I read today on reddit is that Watson read through in an dictionary and learned how to swear so they had to purge that part of his memory.

[ipmlj]

...One fun fact I read today on reddit is that Watson read through in an dictionary and learned how to swear so they had to purge that part of his memory.

They say its good for stress relief! Way to go Watson!

[EssArrBee]

I guess auto correct on my phone messed up. It should have said urban dictionary. Not in an dictionary.

[phazer11]

To be honest I haven't seen anything remotely "AI-like" come up with anything remotely like human like responses for a while. The last thing that was computer based that comes close even remotely and isn't even an AI is Watson AFAIK.

[Kuldebar]

It's going to be one of things where you wake up one day and realize you have been arguing with your refrigerator about your diet.

[Simondererste]

In short: IMO humans are also "just machines" only very very complex and i don't get surprised, if we may invent a machine that has something similar to our intelligence(soome day in the fuutuure). I don't think that we will get surprised by an invention over night but it is already happening, that our machines get smarter and smarter. Let the Terminators come