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Random Whiterun CTD and Stability.

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So I finally got step core & extended Installed and few miscellaneous from various step packs. Things have been running smooth for the most part except on occasion in character creation. I occasionally get a iron helm ha no idea what that is about happens 1 out of 10 time but whatever. My only real issue so far has been Whiterun CTD and that happens with some frequency like 5 out of 10 times both entering and exiting. Now it may be something in my load order or just a conflict I overlooked but if anyone has any ideas it would be appreciated. Also as a side not if you see something horribly wrong with my load order outside of what may be causing that problem any advice/help would be welcome.

 

 

Skyrim.esm

Update.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp
Dawnguard.esm
Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp
HearthFires.esm
Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp
Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm
ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
ETaC - RESOURCES.esm
Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
REGS - Resources.esm
HighResTexturePack01.esp
HighResTexturePack02.esp
HighResTexturePack03.esp
Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp
Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp
Rainbows.esp
ADS.esp
AOS.esp
BWS.esp
DragonShoutVoice.esp
IHSS.esp
Improved Combat Sounds v2.2.esp
randomthunder.esp
mintylightningmod.esp
Cutting Room Floor.esp
StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp
StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp
StaticMeshImprovementMod-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp
TradeBarter.esp
83Willows_101BUGS_V4_HighRes.esp
Ars Metallica.esp
Ars Metallica - Dawnguard.esp
Ars Metallica - Hearthfire.esp
Ars Metallica - Dragonborn.esp
Auto Unequip Ammo.esp
BirdsHFclean.esp
BLESSINGS - Altar Descriptions.esp
Bring Out Your Dead.esp
ClamsDropPearls.esp
Dead Body Collision.esp
Disease Descriptions.esp
DD_Dawnguard Additions.esp
DD_Dragonborn Additions.esp
Dual Sheath Redux.esp
DungeonQuestAwareness.esp
fFastTravelSpeedMult_4.esp
Lanterns Of Skyrim - CoT Nights lvl 8.esp
manny Lantern Caretakers.esp
More Salt Please.esp
More Salt Please - Dragonborn addon.esp
Moss Rocks.esp
Moss Rocks_DB.esp
ORM-Arvak.esp
PilgrimsDelight.esp
Point The Way.esp
RabbitsPlus.esp
Radiant and Unique Potions and Poisons v2.0 non glow.esp
ShootingStars.esp
Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
SkyrimImprovedPuddles-DG-HF-DB.esp
SMDropLitTorch.esp
Traps Make Noise.esp
WetandCold.esp
WetandCold - Ashes.esp
Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp
Footprints.esp
Footprints - Ash.esp
NoxUE2.00.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
SkyUI.esp
iHUD.esp
BlackSacramentArmor.esp
Elemental Staves.esp
ExplosiveBoltsVisualized.esp
Improved Closefaced Helmets_Legendary.esp
Smithing Perks Overhaul_Remade.esp
Lock Overhaul.esp
Apple garden.esp
CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp
CWIDawnDragonPatch.esp
CWINPCImprovements.esp
Gildergreen Regrown.esp
Inconsequential NPCs.esp
DawnofRiften.esp
Nightingale Hall.esp
Run For Your Lives.esp
When Vampires Attack.esp
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
SkyrimCoinReplacerRedux.esp
Appropriately Attired Jarls Redux.esp
BetterQuestObjectives.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-Dawnguard.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-Hearthfire.esp
BlockSparkles.esp
Distant DetailHF.esp
DiversePriests.esp
dynamic fires.esp
Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp
Convenient Horses.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp
Soul Gems Differ - E.esp
TheChoiceIsYours.esp
TheChoiceIsYours_Dawnguard.esp
Thieves Guild Requirements.esp
aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-AMBSkyforgePatch.esp
ETaC - Complete.esp
ETaC - Complete LoS Patch.esp
RavenRockExpanded.esp
WhiterunAlivePiano.esp
Better City Entrances - All in one.esp
HearthfireChimneys - ETaC.esp
Chesko_Step418_SN.esp
Oblivion Gates v3 without Markers - Skyrim + Dawnguard DLC.esp
DawnofWindhelm.esp
Provincial Courier Service.esp
RealisticRoomRental.esp
REGS - Cities.esp
REGS Patch - CRF.esp
SoS - The Dungeons.esp
REGS Patch - STEP Extended.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp
AOS_COT-DG Patch.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Hazardous.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-6.esp
Supreme Storms - Cot Version.esp
CoT-WeatherPatch.esp
CoT-WeatherPatch_DB.esp
CoT-WeatherPatch_SupStorms.esp
CoT-WeatherPatch_NL4.esp
BFSEffects.esp
DeadlySpellImpacts.esp
Dual Wield Parrying_SKSE.esp
Stealth Skills Rebalanced_COMPLETE.esp
dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp
Beards.esp
Brows.esp
3DNPC.esp
REGS Patch - Riften NavFull.esp
REGS Patch - 3DNPC.esp
RRR_3DNPC-Patch.esp
SPTConsistentOlderPeople.esp
moveitLWT.esp
NonEssentialChildren.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
Animated Weapon Enchants.esp
DawnguardRuneWeaponsFXSReplacer.esp
RealisticWaterTwo.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp
AOS_RealisticWater2 patch.esp
AOS-GDO Patch.esp
AOS-WAF Patch.esp
AOS2_DGDB Patch.esp
AOS_USKP patch.esp
STEP Extended Patch.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp

 
Edit* I have also been using skyrim performance monitor and my vram usage is fine
Edited by prizner

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Stealth Skills Rebalanced_COMPLETE.esp <--reportedly the cause of the "Iron Helm" at character creation.

 

I'm leaning toward the idea that you are having papyrus/script related crashes based on the type of mods you have installed.

Edited by Kuldebar

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Thanks for the quick reply! It reminded me I hadn't put papyrus/script logging on so I don't have any reports atm. I am going to jump on and go to whiterun and get a report.

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Are you using SSME/Sheson and ENB by any chance? (TBH, I assume that you are, but it's always dangerous to assume.)

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You didn't happen to have Helgen Reborn active at the beginning at Helgen? Because that will give you a scripted crash.

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HI,

 

Only because i have just finished Step core/ext i see you have a few redundant patches. according to the read-me for the patch, if you use > "STEP Extended Patch.esp" then all of the following are not needed .....

 

StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp
StaticMeshImprovementMod-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp
 
AOS_RealisticWater2 patch.esp
AOS-GDO Patch.esp
AOS-WAF Patch.esp
AOS_USKP patch.esp 

 

Someone correct me if i am wrong , as stated i just finished STEP and none of thos are in my load order because i am using the step extended patch. (like the OP).

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Are you using SSME/Sheson and ENB by any chance? (TBH, I assume that you are, but it's always dangerous to assume.)

Just Skyrim Memory Patch (as it was needed for  STEP extended mods) no ENB just ENB boost.

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HI,

 

Only because i have just finished Step core/ext i see you have a few redundant patches. according to the read-me for the patch, if you use > "STEP Extended Patch.esp" then all of the following are not needed .....

 

StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp
StaticMeshImprovementMod-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp
 
AOS_RealisticWater2 patch.esp
AOS-GDO Patch.esp
AOS-WAF Patch.esp
AOS_USKP patch.esp 

 

Someone correct me if i am wrong , as stated i just finished STEP and none of thos are in my load order because I am using the step extended patch. (like the OP).

Yea good question. On the audio overhaul for skyrim detailed instructions page. I took the following to mean than since my load order consisted of core and extend items and I would be using the extended patch I would then need the items listed under step core users not using step core patch. However I may be over thinking it.

 

Get the AOS_2 Main File and the AOS_DLC_Compatibility_Patch optional file.

For STEP Core users that are NOT using the STEP Core Patch, also get the following optional files:

  • AOS_Guard_Dialog_Overhaul_Compatibility_Patch
  • AOS_Realistic_Water2_Compatibility_Patch
  • AOS_Unofficial_Skyrim_Patch
  • AOS_Weapons_and_Armor_Fixes_Compatibility_Patch

For STEP Extended users that are NOT using the STEP Extended Patch, also get the following optional files:

  • AOS_Enhanced_Blood_Textures_Compatibility_Patch
  • AOS_Guard_Dialog_Overhaul_Compatibility_Patch
  • AOS_Realistic_Water2_Compatibility_Patch
  • AOS_Unofficial_Skyrim_Patch
  • AOS_Weapons_and_Armor_Fixes_Compatibility_Patch
  • AOS_Wet_and_Cold_Compatibility_Patch
Edited by prizner

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Yes ...but you are using the patch...its in your load order. So you don't need the extra patches, they are included in the extended patch.

 

 

Pull up the read-me for the extended patch, it states what is included.

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Yeah you right it is looking like i have a few I do not need thanks man! I am however still not seeing where its says I Don't need

 
AOS-GDO Patch.esp
AOS-WAF Patch.esp
AOS_USKP patch.esp 
 
as the extended patch has
 
  • No NPC Greetings is now merged into the STEP Patches, so no need to install it in Section 2.M Gamplay.
  • Disable both plugins from Static Mesh Improvement Mod that are installed by the FOMOD or BAIN Wizard.
    • StaticMeshImprovementMod-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp
    • StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp
  • Do not download or install.
    • WeaponArmorFixes_ambSkyforge_Patch.esp
    • WeaponArmorFixes_GuardDialogueOverhaul_Patch.esp
    • DiversePriests_ConsistentOlderPeoplePatch.esp
    • DiversePriests_BringOutYourDeadPatch.esp
    • BetterQuestObjectives-NECPatch.esp
    • BetterQuestObjectives-PaarDilemmaPatch.esp
    • BetterQuestObjectives-DBForevertoMisc.esp
    • BetterQuestObjectives-AMBSkyforgePatch.esp
    • BetterQuestObjectives-TheChoiceIsYoursPatch.esp
    • EnhancedBlood-ImprovedCombatSounds.esp
    • AOS_ICS Patch.esp
    • AOS_ADS Patch.esp (ADS.esp is from Smooth Blade Draw & Sheathe)
    • AOS_RWT Patch.esp
    • AOS_BlockSparkles Patch.esp
    • AOS_EBT Patch.esp
    • AOS_DSI Patch.esp
    • AOS_WetandCold Patch.esp

Ok so I see it now The read me gave different information than  https://wiki.step-project.com/STEP_Patches#Recommendations

and I figured since I read it on the site I was fine but there are revisions to the patch that are not posted. Thanks again for catching that 

Edited by prizner

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just hope i am steering you right..as i took that from the read-me from the new extended patch... i had the other extended patch, and had a missing master..i downloaded the latest extended patch..(yesterday) and that is what i got out of the read-me.

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Yeah I will say it seems rather odd that the Read-me states Latest revision on April 1, 2014 and yet the wiki page is April 10, 2014 and yet the wiki page makes no mention of the 

 
-AOS_USKP patch.esp
- AOS-WAF Patch.esp
- AOS-GDO Patch.esp
 
 being included in the patch.
Edited by prizner

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Those three patches didn't exist at the time of the STEP Patches. Nevertheless, we had patched these into the STEP Patches already, because we're masters of compatibility ;)

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