Random Whiterun CTD and Stability.

prizner · April 13, 2014

So I finally got step core & extended Installed and few miscellaneous from various step packs. Things have been running smooth for the most part except on occasion in character creation. I occasionally get a iron helm ha no idea what that is about happens 1 out of 10 time but whatever. My only real issue so far has been Whiterun CTD and that happens with some frequency like 5 out of 10 times both entering and exiting. Now it may be something in my load order or just a conflict I overlooked but if anyone has any ideas it would be appreciated. Also as a side not if you see something horribly wrong with my load order outside of what may be causing that problem any advice/help would be welcome.

Skyrim.esm

Update.esm

Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp

Dawnguard.esm

Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp

HearthFires.esm

Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp

Dragonborn.esm

Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp

Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm

ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

ETaC - RESOURCES.esm

Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm

REGS - Resources.esm

HighResTexturePack01.esp

HighResTexturePack02.esp

HighResTexturePack03.esp

Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp

Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp

Rainbows.esp

ADS.esp

AOS.esp

BWS.esp

DragonShoutVoice.esp

IHSS.esp

Improved Combat Sounds v2.2.esp

randomthunder.esp

mintylightningmod.esp

Cutting Room Floor.esp

StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp

StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp

StaticMeshImprovementMod-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp

TradeBarter.esp

83Willows_101BUGS_V4_HighRes.esp

Ars Metallica.esp

Ars Metallica - Dawnguard.esp

Ars Metallica - Hearthfire.esp

Ars Metallica - Dragonborn.esp

Auto Unequip Ammo.esp

BirdsHFclean.esp

BLESSINGS - Altar Descriptions.esp

Bring Out Your Dead.esp

ClamsDropPearls.esp

Dead Body Collision.esp

Disease Descriptions.esp

DD_Dawnguard Additions.esp

DD_Dragonborn Additions.esp

Dual Sheath Redux.esp

DungeonQuestAwareness.esp

fFastTravelSpeedMult_4.esp

Lanterns Of Skyrim - CoT Nights lvl 8.esp

manny Lantern Caretakers.esp

More Salt Please.esp

More Salt Please - Dragonborn addon.esp

Moss Rocks.esp

Moss Rocks_DB.esp

ORM-Arvak.esp

PilgrimsDelight.esp

Point The Way.esp

RabbitsPlus.esp

Radiant and Unique Potions and Poisons v2.0 non glow.esp

ShootingStars.esp

Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp

SkyrimImprovedPuddles-DG-HF-DB.esp

SMDropLitTorch.esp

Traps Make Noise.esp

WetandCold.esp

WetandCold - Ashes.esp

Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp

Footprints.esp

Footprints - Ash.esp

NoxUE2.00.esp

RaceMenu.esp

RaceMenuPlugin.esp

SkyUI.esp

iHUD.esp

BlackSacramentArmor.esp

Elemental Staves.esp

ExplosiveBoltsVisualized.esp

Improved Closefaced Helmets_Legendary.esp

Smithing Perks Overhaul_Remade.esp

Lock Overhaul.esp

Apple garden.esp

CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp

CWIDawnDragonPatch.esp

CWINPCImprovements.esp

Gildergreen Regrown.esp

Inconsequential NPCs.esp

DawnofRiften.esp

Nightingale Hall.esp

Run For Your Lives.esp

When Vampires Attack.esp

The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp

SkyrimCoinReplacerRedux.esp

Appropriately Attired Jarls Redux.esp

BetterQuestObjectives.esp

BetterQuestObjectives-Dawnguard.esp

BetterQuestObjectives-Hearthfire.esp

BlockSparkles.esp

Distant DetailHF.esp

DiversePriests.esp

dynamic fires.esp

Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp

Convenient Horses.esp

dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp

Soul Gems Differ - E.esp

TheChoiceIsYours.esp

TheChoiceIsYours_Dawnguard.esp

Thieves Guild Requirements.esp

aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp

BetterQuestObjectives-AMBSkyforgePatch.esp

ETaC - Complete.esp

ETaC - Complete LoS Patch.esp

RavenRockExpanded.esp

WhiterunAlivePiano.esp

Better City Entrances - All in one.esp

HearthfireChimneys - ETaC.esp

Chesko_Step418_SN.esp

Oblivion Gates v3 without Markers - Skyrim + Dawnguard DLC.esp

DawnofWindhelm.esp

Provincial Courier Service.esp

RealisticRoomRental.esp

REGS - Cities.esp

REGS Patch - CRF.esp

SoS - The Dungeons.esp

REGS Patch - STEP Extended.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp

AOS_COT-DG Patch.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Hazardous.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-6.esp

Supreme Storms - Cot Version.esp

CoT-WeatherPatch.esp

CoT-WeatherPatch_DB.esp

CoT-WeatherPatch_SupStorms.esp

CoT-WeatherPatch_NL4.esp

BFSEffects.esp

DeadlySpellImpacts.esp

Dual Wield Parrying_SKSE.esp

Stealth Skills Rebalanced_COMPLETE.esp

dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp

Beards.esp

Brows.esp

3DNPC.esp

REGS Patch - Riften NavFull.esp

REGS Patch - 3DNPC.esp

RRR_3DNPC-Patch.esp

SPTConsistentOlderPeople.esp

moveitLWT.esp

NonEssentialChildren.esp

dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp

Animated Weapon Enchants.esp

DawnguardRuneWeaponsFXSReplacer.esp

RealisticWaterTwo.esp

RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp

AOS_RealisticWater2 patch.esp

AOS-GDO Patch.esp

AOS-WAF Patch.esp

AOS2_DGDB Patch.esp

AOS_USKP patch.esp

STEP Extended Patch.esp

Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp

Edit* I have also been using skyrim performance monitor and my vram usage is fine

Edited April 13, 2014 by prizner

Kuldebar · April 13, 2014

Stealth Skills Rebalanced_COMPLETE.esp <--reportedly the cause of the "Iron Helm" at character creation.

I'm leaning toward the idea that you are having papyrus/script related crashes based on the type of mods you have installed.

Edited April 13, 2014 by Kuldebar

prizner · April 13, 2014

Thanks for the quick reply! It reminded me I hadn't put papyrus/script logging on so I don't have any reports atm. I am going to jump on and go to whiterun and get a report.

Kuldebar · April 13, 2014

Are you using SSME/Sheson and ENB by any chance? (TBH, I assume that you are, but it's always dangerous to assume.)

DoubleYou · April 13, 2014

You didn't happen to have Helgen Reborn active at the beginning at Helgen? Because that will give you a scripted crash.

camaro_69_327 · April 13, 2014

HI,

Only because i have just finished Step core/ext i see you have a few redundant patches. according to the read-me for the patch, if you use > "STEP Extended Patch.esp" then all of the following are not needed .....

StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp

StaticMeshImprovementMod-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp

AOS_RealisticWater2 patch.esp

AOS-GDO Patch.esp

AOS-WAF Patch.esp

AOS_USKP patch.esp

Someone correct me if i am wrong , as stated i just finished STEP and none of thos are in my load order because i am using the step extended patch. (like the OP).

prizner · April 13, 2014

Are you using SSME/Sheson and ENB by any chance? (TBH, I assume that you are, but it's always dangerous to assume.)

Just Skyrim Memory Patch (as it was needed for STEP extended mods) no ENB just ENB boost.

Edited April 13, 2014 by prizner

prizner · April 13, 2014

HI,

Only because i have just finished Step core/ext i see you have a few redundant patches. according to the read-me for the patch, if you use > "STEP Extended Patch.esp" then all of the following are not needed .....

StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp
StaticMeshImprovementMod-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp

AOS_RealisticWater2 patch.esp
AOS-GDO Patch.esp
AOS-WAF Patch.esp
AOS_USKP patch.esp

Someone correct me if i am wrong , as stated i just finished STEP and none of thos are in my load order because I am using the step extended patch. (like the OP).

Yea good question. On the audio overhaul for skyrim detailed instructions page. I took the following to mean than since my load order consisted of core and extend items and I would be using the extended patch I would then need the items listed under step core users not using step core patch. However I may be over thinking it.

Get the AOS_2 Main File and the AOS_DLC_Compatibility_Patch optional file.

For STEP Core users that are NOT using the STEP Core Patch, also get the following optional files:

AOS_Guard_Dialog_Overhaul_Compatibility_Patch
AOS_Realistic_Water2_Compatibility_Patch
AOS_Unofficial_Skyrim_Patch
AOS_Weapons_and_Armor_Fixes_Compatibility_Patch

For STEP Extended users that are NOT using the STEP Extended Patch, also get the following optional files:

AOS_Enhanced_Blood_Textures_Compatibility_Patch
AOS_Guard_Dialog_Overhaul_Compatibility_Patch
AOS_Realistic_Water2_Compatibility_Patch
AOS_Unofficial_Skyrim_Patch
AOS_Weapons_and_Armor_Fixes_Compatibility_Patch
AOS_Wet_and_Cold_Compatibility_Patch

Edited April 13, 2014 by prizner

camaro_69_327 · April 13, 2014

Yes ...but you are using the patch...its in your load order. So you don't need the extra patches, they are included in the extended patch.

Pull up the read-me for the extended patch, it states what is included.

:)

prizner · April 13, 2014

Yeah you right it is looking like i have a few I do not need thanks man! I am however still not seeing where its says I Don't need

AOS-GDO Patch.esp

AOS-WAF Patch.esp

AOS_USKP patch.esp

as the extended patch has

No NPC Greetings is now merged into the STEP Patches, so no need to install it in Section 2.M Gamplay.
Disable both plugins from Static Mesh Improvement Mod that are installed by the FOMOD or BAIN Wizard.
- StaticMeshImprovementMod-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp
- StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp
Do not download or install.
- WeaponArmorFixes_ambSkyforge_Patch.esp
- WeaponArmorFixes_GuardDialogueOverhaul_Patch.esp
- DiversePriests_ConsistentOlderPeoplePatch.esp
- DiversePriests_BringOutYourDeadPatch.esp
- BetterQuestObjectives-NECPatch.esp
- BetterQuestObjectives-PaarDilemmaPatch.esp
- BetterQuestObjectives-DBForevertoMisc.esp
- BetterQuestObjectives-AMBSkyforgePatch.esp
- BetterQuestObjectives-TheChoiceIsYoursPatch.esp
- EnhancedBlood-ImprovedCombatSounds.esp
- AOS_ICS Patch.esp
- AOS_ADS Patch.esp (ADS.esp is from Smooth Blade Draw & Sheathe)
- AOS_RWT Patch.esp
- AOS_BlockSparkles Patch.esp
- AOS_EBT Patch.esp
- AOS_DSI Patch.esp
- AOS_WetandCold Patch.esp

Ok so I see it now The read me gave different information than https://wiki.step-project.com/STEP_Patches#Recommendations

and I figured since I read it on the site I was fine but there are revisions to the patch that are not posted. Thanks again for catching that

Edited April 13, 2014 by prizner

camaro_69_327 · April 13, 2014

just hope i am steering you right..as i took that from the read-me from the new extended patch... i had the other extended patch, and had a missing master..i downloaded the latest extended patch..(yesterday) and that is what i got out of the read-me.

prizner · April 13, 2014

Yeah I will say it seems rather odd that the Read-me states Latest revision on April 1, 2014 and yet the wiki page is April 10, 2014 and yet the wiki page makes no mention of the

-AOS_USKP patch.esp

- AOS-WAF Patch.esp

- AOS-GDO Patch.esp

being included in the patch.

Edited April 13, 2014 by prizner

DoubleYou · April 13, 2014

Those three patches didn't exist at the time of the STEP Patches. Nevertheless, we had patched these into the STEP Patches already, because we're masters of compatibility ;)

prizner · April 13, 2014

Oh that explains it thanks!

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