CTD with no apparent reason

[elonin]

I have had ctd's in 1 in whiterun, 1 at river near riverwood and 2 at the same place on exiting bleak falls barrow.  None of these involved a great number of actors (that i'm aware of) and none involved combat.  My first thought is this may have something to do with a mod in my load order as my patches are up to date with this order.

 

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Skyrim.esm

Update.esm

Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp

Dawnguard.esm

Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp

HearthFires.esm

Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp

Dragonborn.esm

Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp

Falskaar.esm

ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

RaceCompatibility.esm

moonpath.esm

daymoyl.esm

Wyrmstooth.esp

SkyUI.esp

SkyTweak.esp

PNENB.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Cold.esp

Skyrim Particle Patch for ENB - Flame Atronach Fix.esp

cleaner_castlevolkihar3.esp

3DNPC.esp

Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp

Tes Arena - Skyrim Frontier Fortress.esp

Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp

KTABladeOfWoe.esp

Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp

Rebirth Monster.esp

Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp

BlackSacramentDBReplacer.esp

Wintermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp

Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp

aMidianBorn_ContentAddon.esp

AMB Glass Variants Lore.esp

Differently Ebony.esp

AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp

Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp

Complete Crafting_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp

Civil War Overhaul.esp

Immersive Weapons.esp

Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp

Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp

MoonAndStar_MAS.esp

Undeath.esp

SkyrimSewers.esp

Inconsequential NPCs.esp

townsandcitiesenhanced.esp

Cloaks.esp

CCO_SIC_Patch.esp

quest_thebiggertheyare.esp

BecomeKingofSkyrim.esp

QaxeWinterholdRebuild.esp

throneroom.esp

Better Vampires.esp

quest_nomercy.esp

moonpath_questdata.esp

Extended UI.esp

VL No AoE Drain.esp

VLCollisionFix.esp

RaceMenu.esp

RaceMenuPlugin.esp

Improved Dragon Shouts - Dawnguard.esp

Improved Dragon Shouts.esp

Improved Dragon Shouts - Dragonborn.esp

Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp

iHUD.esp

HelmetToggle2.02b.esp

XPMSE.esp

HDTPhysicsWeaponSling.esp

No Annoying Skeleton Sound.esp

NoMoreGlowArmor.esp

NoStartingSpells.esp

Proper Aiming.esp

Realistic crime report radius.esp

dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp

SabreFurBag.esp

SameWalkRunSpeeds.esp

TradeBarter.esp

CopyArmor.esp

BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp

FlameAtronachArmor.esp

FullBootForKKSA.esp

Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp

Chesko_WearableLantern.esp

FISS.esp

Dragon Combat Overhaul.esp

Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp

ThalmorSolitudeheadQuartersRedone.esp

WeaponsArmorFixes_ImmersiveWeapons_Patch.esp

HarvestOverhaul.esp

HarvestOverhaulCreatures.esp

FNIS.esp

FNISspells.esp

Dual Sheath Redux.esp

aedric ritual remake.esp

quest_seaofghosts.esp

tos_laintardale_hf.esp

tos_oakwood_hf.esp

xamnant.esp

tos_amber_guard.esp

Aurora - Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp

tos_granitehall.esp

quest_pitfighter.esp

quest_sorcery.esp

quest_andtherealmsofdaedra.esp

daymoyl_DawnguardAddon.esp

Magic of the Magna-Ge.esp

Vampirelordroyal.esp

Dwemertech - Magic of the Dwarves.esp

MoonAndStar_Undeath_compat.esp

BlackSacramentArmor.esp

Imaginator BETA.esp

Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp

PerkusMaximus_Master.esp

PerMa Expansion 1 - Wintermyst.esp

PerkusMaximus_Mage.esp

PerkusMaximus_Thief.esp

Pre PaMa SiC Patch.esp

Pre PaMa CCF Wintermyst Patch.esp

aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp

ForgottenMagic_Redone.esp

BVandRB_Formlist.esp

hfhometeleports.esp

Spectraverse - Only After Dragon Rising.esp

PerkusMaximus_Warrior.esp

PerMaExtendedPerkDescriptions.esp

Post PatchusMaximus Perma Mods and Tweaks.esp

DeadlyCombat.esp

JaxonzUtilities.esp

Dwemertech - PerMa Compatibility Patch.esp

quest_pitfighter_dlc01.esp

ForgottenMagic_Redone_PerMa Patch.esp

PerMa-Content Addon Patch.esp

PerMa_USKP master patch.esp

Wyrmstooth - PerMa Patch.esp

Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

Pre PaMa CCOR Patch.esp

Pre PaMa WAFR Patch.esp

DeadlyCombat_ASIS_Patch.esp

ASIS-Dependency.esp

2xskillgain.esp

Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp

[Greg]

The first step is to install and enable Memory Blocks log then play until you reproduce the crash. After the game crashes, check the log to verify the SKSE memory tweak is working and that the first block hasn't run out of space.

[elonin]

My first block shows 512 mb of ram which doesn't seem accurate, but when the crash happened it was only using 97mb and heap 2 was using 191mb

[elonin]

here is my memory blocks log

 

 

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and here is my performance monitor shot from leaving bleak falls barrow (reproduced ctd)

[Joat_Mon]

Judging from the Memory Blocks Log, it looks like Sheson's memory patch is not installed correctly.

[elonin]

Where exactly am i supposed to drop those files when using MO and SKSE?  found a video that gives instruction on making a skse.ini and including that in the skse faux mod in MO.  That does give a change as after the loading screen i'm greeted with a blank screen (can't recall the colour but not black).  I'm starting to consider that i need to uninstall everything and redo from scratch as i might have screwed up one of the .ini files.

 

One thing to note is when i looked on my most recent memory log it still stated the default heap size and I had changed that to 768.  Not sure why the change didn't copy over.

[Joat_Mon]

Right click on the SKSE mod, select "Open in explorer"

Find the SKSE folder or create one, open it.

Create your skse.ini file here. Make sure it is named skse.ini, NOT skse.ini.txt

[elonin]

I have done the equivalent.  Per the directions found on modderly's video https://modderly.com/skyrim-essential-mods-pack/ created folder named skse, created a .txt file. converted said file to skse.ini pasted text from the website.  then added into MO and i went the route of merging the mod though she said she prefers not to.  

 

 

Like i said earlier i think i might have messed some things up with configuration so will start from scratch.  

 

I can understand why not, but is there a guide for order of operations?

Edited August 8, 2016 by elonin

[elonin]

I haven't leveled anything yet, as I haven't had the time since making my last post.  When i get to rebuilding is there a generally recognized order for adding modifications and doing tweaks?  There are guides for doing many of the operations put out by gopher and gamer poets, but i haven't seen a overview.  Also is there a guide to mod order?

 

What i recall when i added mods I'd put gameplay mods higher on the list then textures then quests etc.  is that the same way i should add for skyrim?

Edited August 10, 2016 by elonin

[Nebulous112]

Well, since these are the STEP forums, there shouldn't be any harm in a little self-promotion. ;-)

 

Take a look at how the STEP Guide does it, or how SR:LE does it.

 

STEP Guide: https://wiki.step-project.com/STEP:2.2.9.2

SR:LE Guide: https://wiki.step-project.com/User:Neovalen/Skyrim_Revisited_-_Legendary_Edition

[elonin]

The SR:LE guide mentions legendary edition?  Will this work with skyrim + all dlc?  I'm presuming not due to some .ini and .exe changes that come from a merged file.

[jackarbiter]

Memory blocks log will show 512 for block 1 if you have the memory patch properly installed and set at 768 (it will show 768 - 256 = 512).

 

If it's not installed, memory blocks log will show 256 for block 1.

 

However, judging from your memory blocks log, the crash was not related to memory. If it had maxed out at 256 (and your max block 1 was showing at 256) you'd know it was memory. To quote sheson:

 

If heap memory doesn't reach the max value, heap memory related CTD that happens when heap memory reaches the max value is not the cause obviously.

 

I'd try crash fixes if I were you (even if it doesn't help with this reproducible crash, it'll likely help at some point). Note that if you decide to use osallocators for memory, memory blocks log will no longer record correct values, because the memory patch is no longer used/necessary.

 

But again, I doubt memory is your issue. If crash fixes doesn't fix your problem, try killing every unnecessary program your computer is running; as you'll see from my post on the crash fixes mod, I've just found the source of my crash-every-15-minutes problem I've been having for over a year (even just vanilla Skyrim): the Windows 10 touch keyboard service.  ::

Edited August 10, 2016 by jackarbiter

[Nebulous112]

The SR:LE guide mentions legendary edition? Will this work with skyrim + all dlc? I'm presuming not due to some .ini and .exe changes that come from a merged file.

Yeah, both STEP and SR:LE assume all DLC. "Legendary Edition" is just Bethesda's marketing for having all the DLC. It's the same whether you bought them separate or as one package (they are still separate files, not a single merged file).

[elonin]

I know that for morrowind GOTY edition there was a different patch than just for the expansions individually.  i'll read up on those guides and check out crash fixes.  I still suspect that i set up some config file incorrectly  or have conflicting mods setup.

[Nebulous112]

I still suspect that i set up some config file incorrectly or have conflicting mods setup.

I'd agree with that. BethINI is a fantastic tool to make sure your Skyrim.ini and SkyrimPrefs.ini are good and there are no bad settings. Made by DoubleYou, author of the STEP .ini guide.

 

Also, you might want to compare your SKSE and ENBoost setups with how STEP does it. Besides that, it is likely load order or mod compatibility issues. Use LOOT if you don't already, and xEdit is a phenomenal tool for patching incompatibilities with your game.

 

The beauty of a guide, however, is that as long as you follow all instructions, install all mods, etc. then you don't need to worry about patching the mods yourself (unless you add mods on top of what is in the guide). Each of those guides have their own premade conflict resolution patches.

 

Also, assuming you are currently using MO, f you have ever used any other mod manager you may want to Make Skyrim Vanilla Again to ensure there is no leftover mod data in your Skyrim/Data folder.

 

Good luck.

[elonin]

sounds like a plan.  Will likely make the changes this weekend just due to schedule stuff