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Sky is visible in a cave

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I have an issue that I was hoping to get some help solving or pointed in the right direction. I have a profile using Mod Organizer 1.2.14 that includes STEP Extended + COT + ELFX + ELE + additional mods. I have taken some time to read up on ENB's and decided to load Vividian 6.30 with brighter nights and interiors, ELFX, ELE, COT weather patch, and vanilla patch. Two things made me unhappy on first load :

 

. Nights too dark

 

I found a thread that helps my concerns with the darker nights by adjusting settings in the ENB GUI which works well, but the culprit may be a mod I am not aware of yet.

 

. FPS took a big hit 25 exterior 45 interior

 

I read the ENB Wiki and used the setting in the enbseries.ini 

EnableDepthOfField=false and the FPS increased to 38-45 exterior and 48-60 

 

I decided to go to

Ruunvald Excavation

 

As I entered the cave My FPS increased while inside 48-60 and holding everything seemed to be running smoothly and the lighting was very good. Out of nowhere I approached another chamber and I noticed the sky showing through the top of the cave. I have included two images to indicate my issue. 
 
This is my mods list

Cleaned Update
Unofficial Skyrim Patch
Unmanaged: Dawnguard
Cleaned Dawngaurd
Unofficial Dawnguard Patch
Unmanaged: HearthFires
Cleaned Hearthfires
Unofficial Hearthfire Patch
Unmanaged: Dragonborn
Cleaned Dragonborn
Unofficial Dragonborn Patch
Unmanaged: HighResTexturePack01
Unmanaged: HighResTexturePack02
Unmanaged: HighResTexturePack03
Unofficial High Resolution Patch
skse 1 07 01
Stable uGridsToLoad
Memory Blocks Log
Distant Decal Fix
Appropriately Attired Jarls
Bowlegged jump animation Fix
Brawl Bugs - Compatibility Edition
Clothing and Clutter Fixes - LEGENDARY
Consistent Older People BOYD
Dead Body Collision Fix
Fast travel timescale fix
Fuz Ro Doh
Guard Dialogue Overhaul
Improved Closefaced Helmets (Legendary Edition)
Paralyze
SKSE -Elys- AltF4
Skyrim Project Optimization - No Homes - Full Version
Smart Souls
Trade and Barter
Weapons and Armor Fixes Remade
XP32 Maximum Skeleton -XPMS
Better Dialogue Controls v1_2
Better MessageBox Controls v1_2
High Quality 3D Map
Immersive HUD - iHUD
KenMOD - Time on loading screen
Lockpicking interface retex
Lore-Based Loading Screens
Main Font Replacement
Main Menu Spinning Skyrim Emblem
RaceMenu v2-9
SkyUI
Smaller Cursor
Unknown Enchants - Wrye Bash Freindly
Ruins Clutter Improved
Realistic Smoke and Embers
The Skyrim Distance Overhaul Beta (S.D.O.)
Ultimate HD Fire Effects
SkyFalls + SkyMills
Static Mesh Improvement Mod
Serious HD Retexture LANDSCAPE 1024px
Serious HD Retexture RIFTEN 1024px
Skyrim Realistic Overhaul 1.6
HD Misc v1
Tobes Highres Textures
HQ FOOD-INGREDIENTS 1-6 PerformanceRepack
Enhanced Distant Terrain 2
A Quality World Map
aMidianBorn Caves and Mines
aMidianBorn Farmhouse 1k
aMidianBorn Solstheim Landscape 1K
aMidianBorn Whiterun
Skyrim Flora Overhaul
Dragon Glyphs HD - Fixed
HD Enhanced Terrain PRO - Blended Version
Enhanced Distant Terrain
Enhanced Night Skyrim
Footprints
Hearthfire Chimneys for Skyrim
HQLODs - Meshes Hi-Res
HiRes Legible Road Signs
HQ Snow Texture
Hybrids HD Plants and Herbs Retexture
Improved Vanilla Mountains HD
Lanterns of Skyrim - All In One
Moss Rocks
Moss Rocks - Dragonborn DLC Addon
Point The Way
Real Ice
Real Wood Textures - Farmhouses No Green Moss Version 1K
Realistic Mushrooms
Re-Defined Dungeons 1024x1024
Realistic Water Two
Skyrim Distant Detail Hearthfire Edition
Skyrim Improved Puddles - SIP
Stalhrim of Skyrim
Telvanni reborn
Terrain Bump
The Beauty of Skyrim - Dungeons
TreesHD_Skyrim_Variation
Visible Windows
Vivid Landscapes - Tundra Moss Revised
Whiterun Trellis Redesigned and HQ
Bellyaches Animal and Creature Pack
83Willows 101BUGs V4 1 LowerResolution
Beards
Bellyaches HD Dragon Replacer Pack
Better Beast Races v2
Better Freckles
Birds and Flocks
Brows
Cover Khajiits
Female Vampires Have Fangs
Frost Atronach HD Retex
Improved Foot Wraps for females
More Realistic Hair
new children
PondFish and Salmon Replacer - texture
Superior Lore-Friendly Hair - HD textures
Dawnguard Rewritten - Arvak
XCE - Xenius Character Enhancement
XCE - Dawnguard
Faces - GeonoxFaces
Underwear - Default
Natural Eyes
aMidianBorn Blade of Woe
aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Armors
aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Creatures
aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Unique Items
aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Weapons
aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Dragonborn DLC
Bonemold Hotfix
aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Add On
aMidianBorn imperial light and studded
aMidianBorn stormcloak officer armour
Better Circlets HQ V1o1
Dawnguard Crossbow Explosive Bolts Visualized
Closer Quivers and Longer Arrows
Elemental Staffs
Gemling Queen Jewelry
Skyrim Weapon De-LARP-ification Project
Greatsword Sheaths and Scabbards Redux
New Thinner Torch
Nightingale Prime HD
Not Really HD Mask of Clavicus Vile
Ultimate HD Torch
Animated Clutter
Animated Weapon Enchants
Better Turn Animation only One pose
Dawnguard Rune Weapons FXS Replacer
Deadly Spell Impacts
Dual Wield Blocking Animations
Enchantment Effect Replacer
Enhanced Blood Textures
Finer Dust
Improved Weapon Impact EFFECTS
Lightning during Thunder Storms
Lightning during Thunder Storms - Climates of Tamriel - Patch
NoMaaM Breathing Idles BBB
Rainbows
Running with a bow 3rd person
Smaller Ice Spike and Ice Spear
Shooting Stars
Skyrim Performance PLUS
The 418th Step 1 2 - Snow Version
Better Bones
Better Shadowmarks
Dark Brotherhood Tenets Restored - Standard Edition
Detailed Rugs
Enchanter Candle Meshes Improved
Enhanced HD Dragon Bones 1k v1.6a
Gemling Queen Dragon Claws
HD Baskets Retex
HD Linens
HD Ore And Ingots
HD Sacks Retexture
HQ Paper
Intricate Spider Webs
Mystery Modders Shrines HD
N-R HD Display Case
Not Really HD Keys
Pilgrims Delight - Legacy
Radiant and Unique Potions and Poisons HD
Realistic Instruments Pack
Ren's HD Shrines by Rengel
Septim HD
Silly Level of Detail - Potions and Poisons -- SLOD PnP
Silly Level of Detail - Wine Cellar -- SLOD WC
Skyrim Redesigned
Soul Gems Differ
Super Realistic Ore Textures
Sweet Mother - the Night Mother Improvement
White Phial Replacer
Better Animal Footsteps
Better Horse Pain Sounds
Better Weapon Swing Sounds
Audio Overhaul for Skyrim 2
Dragons Shout with Voice
Heart of the Beast - Werewolf Sound and Texture Overhaul
IHSS - Improved Horse Step Sounds
Immersive Skyrim Thunder V6
Improved Combat Sounds
Lower Sounding Thieves Guild Door
Realistic wolf howls
Smooth blades draw and sheath
Thundering shouts
Ultra Realistic Bow Shoot Sounds
Ultra Realistic Crossbow Shoot Sounds
Auto Unequip Ammo
Bring Out Your Dead
ClamsDropPearls
Come together N Out of the way - Nausicaa-S Tweaker
Convenient Horses v5_0
Dual Wield Parrying
Follower Trap Safety
Gildergreen Regrown
Lock Overhaul
Oblivion Gates
Run For Your Lives
SM Drop Lit Torches
Skyrim Coin Replacer Redux
Skyrim -Community- Uncapper
Wet and Cold
Wet and Cold - Ashes
Cutting Room Floor
When Vampires Attack
Even Better Quest Objectives
Thieves Guild Requirements
Traps Make Noise - More Dangerous Traps
Complete Crafting Overhaul Remade
The Choice is Yours
The Paarthurnax Dilemma
Non-Essential Children
DYNAVISION - Dynamic Depth of Field
Glowing Ore Veins 300
Unread Books Glow
Book Covers Skyrim 2 9 7 LEGENDARY - Original
Bookshelves Updated SKSE Script
Redguard Knight Armor
Severin Manor Improvements
Severin Manor Guard for Dragonborn DLC
Windstad Manor Free Tenants
Windstad Manor - Master Bedroom Suite
Lakeview Basement Bedroom - Hearthfire
Sherzie'sLakeviewKitchen
Lakeview Manor Fish Hatchery
LakeViewManorUpgrades_V_1_10_EN
Lakeview with Main Hall Library
Manor Roads (Arthmoor)
Enhanced Lights and FX
Enhanced Lights and FX - Dawnguard
Enhanced Lights and FX - Dragonborn
Project Reality - Climates Of Tamriel-V3
ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch
Climates Of Tamriel - Dragonborn Patch
My Home Is Your Home v2.3
Fores New Idles in Skyrim - FNIS
Fores New Idles in Skyrim - Spells
Fores New Idles in Skyrim - Creaures Pack
Dual Sheath Redux
FNIS Patch
DSR Patch
LeanWolf's Better Shaped Weapons - All in One Installer
Vividian ENB - Weather and Lighting Enhancement - Vivid Color Version
STEP Extended Patch 229
Climates Of Tamrial Bashed Patch

 
Load Order :
 
 
 
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Moved to the appropriate subforum and changed the title for clarity. I'm unsure what might be causing this other than a mod. Since you seem to believe it's Vividian what makes you think that? Did you turn ENB off while inside Shift-F12 and the sky disappeared?

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Is your in game and driver multisample AA turned off? Having in game AA on same time as ENB will cause see through issues like this.

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@Darkside & @Phazer11 

You guy's are probably right that it is not an ENB issue but maybe a mod issue related to the installation of the ENB and all related mods. 

 

@phazer11 I turned the ENB off while facing the anomaly and it remained the same just less attractive. My reasons for believing that this is related to the ENB and or mods installed with it (COT, ELFX, and ELE patch) is because the cave that I entered had been cleared prior to the ENB being installed with just STEP Extended and my additional mods. This cave did not show this issue before and I only chose to revisit this cave by random choice. I have also played over 100 hours prior to becoming curious about an ENB (and for the record I LOVE ENB) I will go through my load order again in search of conflict later this evening when I can get free. 

 

@neovalen I followed the STEP Extended installation that included the Nvidia inspector recommendations, and the instructions to turn off AA and AF. I will check my ini's later as well because I did switch my edited versions with the ones created within the Vividian ENB Support Files folder.

 

Thank you guy's for your quick response any leads are appreciated.

I have read so much of what you guys have posted here since the day I joined. 

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But even so, with the ENB turned off the issue remained? Seems unlikely to be the ENB in and of itself. 

 

That first screenie looks like nearly all the textures are missing. I've seen that sort of thing happen when I've forgotten to turn off AA and AF in the Skyrim Launcher. Have you looked at that?

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Update :

I am wondering if the mods loaded for Vividian ENB (ELFX, COT, Patches) are conflicting due to my install.
 
I uninstalled "Vividian ENB - Weather and Lighting Enhancement - Vivid Color Version" by disabiling the mod in Mod Organizer and removing all of the "Vividian ENB Install Files" from the Skyrim folder. 
 
*************** Disabled***************
ELE-Interior Lighting Merged.esp
Vividian - Lanterns of Skyrim Preset.esp *
Vividian - Torches Preset.esp
Vividian - Weather Patch CoT.esp
Vividian - Weather Patch Vanilla.esp
***************
*************** Left enabled ***************
Enhanced Lights and FX Exteriors
Enhanced Lights and FX Dawngaurd
Enhanced Lights and FX Dragonborn 
Enhanced Lights and FX NoBreezehome.esp
Project Reality - Clmates of Tamriel-V3
Climates of Tamriel Dawngaurd Patch
Climates of Tamriel Dragonborn Patch
AOS_COT3_1_patch.esp
Lanterns of Skyrim-Allin One-Climates of Tamriel-default.esp *
 
 I re-installed my ENBoost files (d3d9.dll, enbhost.exe, enblocal.ini, enbseries.ini). Re entered Ruunvald Excavation and the anomaly is no longer there and my FPS stays at 60 both exterior and interior.
 
* Could the Lanterns of Skyrim CoT .esp's be the ones conflicting? That will be my next test.
 
@Nozzer Yes I doubled checked tomake sure the launcher was set to "Off for best performance"
 
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@Magnaclub First off every mod that I have added to this game has improved my play through 100% and when I thought it could not get any better your ENB (Vividian ENB - Weather and Lighting Enhancement - Vivid Color Version" just took it up another notch..........Thanks your work is impressive.

 

Update :

Reinstalled "Vividian ENB - Weather and Lighting Enhancement - Vivid Color Version" which included these .esp 's :
ELE Plugin - RS Light Color.esp
ELE-FX Effects Interior.esp
ELE-Interior Lighting Merged.esp
Vividian - Weather Patch CoT.esp
Vividian - Weather Patch Vanilla.esp
 
The missing cave roof comes back in the same exact way. I double click on the created mod "Vividian ENB - Weather and Lighting Enhancement - Vivid Color Version" in order to look at the available esp's and I moved 
"ELE-Interior Lighting Merged.esp" to the optional esp's
Reloaded my save inside the cave and everything returned to normal expectations.
 
Any suggestions on why this patch or esp has a conflict, and do I need this esp loaded or removed in favor of another:|
 
 
I do believe I am getting close to playing this game again :)

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thanks :)

now that intresting. ELE causes this for you? *ponders*. lets have a look backwards. The Merges one includes vanilla ELE + all skyrim ELE DLC's merged to one esp.

Can you try using the unmerged plugins of the ele-interiors instead?

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@Magnaclub OK just so I am clear on this, I am going to re install Vividian ENB and rename it. You suggest that I use the installer to load : 

 

ELE Plugin - RS Light Color.esp
ELE-FX Effects Interior.esp
Vividian - Weather Patch CoT.esp
Vividian - Weather Patch Vanilla.esp
 
But replace :
ELE-Interior Lighting Merged.esp
 
With this :
ELE-Interior Lighting.esp
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a reinstall might not be needed, just open the vividian archive and go to the Required Files and Presets\ELE\ folder. there you will find

ELE-Interior Lighting.esp
ELE DB-Interior Lighting.esp
ELE DG-Interior Lighting.esp
ELE HF-Interior Lighting.esp

to put it into the MO drawer. If it wors with those 4 then ELE-Interior Lighting Merged.esp has a problem.

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Okay I got It.

 

Update :

I opened up the Vividian ENB folder in Mod Organizer downloads found these preset's 

ELE-Interior Lighting.esp
ELE DB-Interior Lighting.esp
ELE DG-Interior Lighting.esp
ELE HF-Interior Lighting.esp

 

Re started Skyrim and all looks as expected. I am going to re read What ELE actually is and does to make sure that I need :

ELE-Plugin - RS Light Color.esp

ELE-FX Effects Interiors.esp

 

Also do I need to choose between these two esp's , or are both required?????

Vividian-Weather Patch CoT.esp

Vividian-Weather Patch Vanilla.esp

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The CoT one stands for Climates of Tamriel. If you're using that mod, use that ESP.

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Yesi f you use COT then please use Vividian-Weather Patch CoT.esp aswell Vividian-Weather Patch Vanilla.esp. That vanilla patch is always required unless you use NLA,Pure weather or RCRN

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Update :

@magnaclub thanks for clearing that up. Researching information for the Vanilla weather patch did not make things clear for me. I have added it to my load order. 

 

I have been using Loot to sort out my plugin load order for some time now and have always noticed some inconsistencies with where it will place certain plugins. After initial setup of Step extended the addition of mods and there plug ins require a re- run of Loot which then reorders again and sometimes returning an error in Mod Organizer (Potential Load order conflict) that always seems to involve the same mods from step extended.
 
Here is my current load order. If any one with some insight on anything they see I would be appreciated the feedback.
 
I have gone over my loadorder mod for mod this weekend and started placing mods where I felt they should go basing my decisions on what the plugin does.
 
I have found that when Loot loads this set of plugins for ELE after these plugins for ELFX I will get the sky is visible in a cave problem.
 
Manual placement of ELE plugins before ELFX. (As Shown Below) result in the game looking really really good and the fps between 42-60.
 
So it does not appear to be the Merged plugin removed earlier, but the order in which Loot loads them for me. I want to run loot again but I have been backing up my load order in various ways to insure I can get back to a base.
 
ELE-Interior Lighting.esp
ELE DG-Interior Lighting.esp
ELE HF-Interior Lighting.esp
ELE DB-Interior Lighting.esp
 
EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
ELFX - Exteriors.esp
ELE-Plugin - RS Light Color.esp
ELFX - Dawnguard.esp
ELFX - Dragonborn.esp 
 

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