Sky is visible in a cave

[ram911]

I have an issue that I was hoping to get some help solving or pointed in the right direction. I have a profile using Mod Organizer 1.2.14 that includes STEP Extended + COT + ELFX + ELE + additional mods. I have taken some time to read up on ENB's and decided to load Vividian 6.30 with brighter nights and interiors, ELFX, ELE, COT weather patch, and vanilla patch. Two things made me unhappy on first load :

 

. Nights too dark

 

I found a thread that helps my concerns with the darker nights by adjusting settings in the ENB GUI which works well, but the culprit may be a mod I am not aware of yet.

 

. FPS took a big hit 25 exterior 45 interior

 

I read the ENB Wiki and used the setting in the enbseries.ini 

EnableDepthOfField=false and the FPS increased to 38-45 exterior and 48-60 

 

I decided to go to

Ruunvald Excavation

 

As I entered the cave My FPS increased while inside 48-60 and holding everything seemed to be running smoothly and the lighting was very good. Out of nowhere I approached another chamber and I noticed the sky showing through the top of the cave. I have included two images to indicate my issue. 

 

This is my mods list

Cleaned Update

Unofficial Skyrim Patch

Unmanaged: Dawnguard

Cleaned Dawngaurd

Unofficial Dawnguard Patch

Unmanaged: HearthFires

Cleaned Hearthfires

Unofficial Hearthfire Patch

Unmanaged: Dragonborn

Cleaned Dragonborn

Unofficial Dragonborn Patch

Unmanaged: HighResTexturePack01

Unmanaged: HighResTexturePack02

Unmanaged: HighResTexturePack03

Unofficial High Resolution Patch

skse 1 07 01

Stable uGridsToLoad

Memory Blocks Log

Distant Decal Fix

Appropriately Attired Jarls

Bowlegged jump animation Fix

Brawl Bugs - Compatibility Edition

Clothing and Clutter Fixes - LEGENDARY

Consistent Older People BOYD

Dead Body Collision Fix

Fast travel timescale fix

Fuz Ro Doh

Guard Dialogue Overhaul

Improved Closefaced Helmets (Legendary Edition)

Paralyze

SKSE -Elys- AltF4

Skyrim Project Optimization - No Homes - Full Version

Smart Souls

Trade and Barter

Weapons and Armor Fixes Remade

XP32 Maximum Skeleton -XPMS

Better Dialogue Controls v1_2

Better MessageBox Controls v1_2

High Quality 3D Map

Immersive HUD - iHUD

KenMOD - Time on loading screen

Lockpicking interface retex

Lore-Based Loading Screens

Main Font Replacement

Main Menu Spinning Skyrim Emblem

RaceMenu v2-9

SkyUI

Smaller Cursor

Unknown Enchants - Wrye Bash Freindly

Ruins Clutter Improved

Realistic Smoke and Embers

The Skyrim Distance Overhaul Beta (S.D.O.)

Ultimate HD Fire Effects

SkyFalls + SkyMills

Static Mesh Improvement Mod

Serious HD Retexture LANDSCAPE 1024px

Serious HD Retexture RIFTEN 1024px

Skyrim Realistic Overhaul 1.6

HD Misc v1

Tobes Highres Textures

HQ FOOD-INGREDIENTS 1-6 PerformanceRepack

Enhanced Distant Terrain 2

A Quality World Map

aMidianBorn Caves and Mines

aMidianBorn Farmhouse 1k

aMidianBorn Solstheim Landscape 1K

aMidianBorn Whiterun

Skyrim Flora Overhaul

Dragon Glyphs HD - Fixed

HD Enhanced Terrain PRO - Blended Version

Enhanced Distant Terrain

Enhanced Night Skyrim

Footprints

Hearthfire Chimneys for Skyrim

HQLODs - Meshes Hi-Res

HiRes Legible Road Signs

HQ Snow Texture

Hybrids HD Plants and Herbs Retexture

Improved Vanilla Mountains HD

Lanterns of Skyrim - All In One

Moss Rocks

Moss Rocks - Dragonborn DLC Addon

Point The Way

Real Ice

Real Wood Textures - Farmhouses No Green Moss Version 1K

Realistic Mushrooms

Re-Defined Dungeons 1024x1024

Realistic Water Two

Skyrim Distant Detail Hearthfire Edition

Skyrim Improved Puddles - SIP

Stalhrim of Skyrim

Telvanni reborn

Terrain Bump

The Beauty of Skyrim - Dungeons

TreesHD_Skyrim_Variation

Visible Windows

Vivid Landscapes - Tundra Moss Revised

Whiterun Trellis Redesigned and HQ

Bellyaches Animal and Creature Pack

83Willows 101BUGs V4 1 LowerResolution

Beards

Bellyaches HD Dragon Replacer Pack

Better Beast Races v2

Better Freckles

Birds and Flocks

Brows

Cover Khajiits

Female Vampires Have Fangs

Frost Atronach HD Retex

Improved Foot Wraps for females

More Realistic Hair

new children

PondFish and Salmon Replacer - texture

Superior Lore-Friendly Hair - HD textures

Dawnguard Rewritten - Arvak

XCE - Xenius Character Enhancement

XCE - Dawnguard

Faces - GeonoxFaces

Underwear - Default

Natural Eyes

aMidianBorn Blade of Woe

aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Armors

aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Creatures

aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Unique Items

aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Weapons

aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Dragonborn DLC

Bonemold Hotfix

aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Add On

aMidianBorn imperial light and studded

aMidianBorn stormcloak officer armour

Better Circlets HQ V1o1

Dawnguard Crossbow Explosive Bolts Visualized

Closer Quivers and Longer Arrows

Elemental Staffs

Gemling Queen Jewelry

Skyrim Weapon De-LARP-ification Project

Greatsword Sheaths and Scabbards Redux

New Thinner Torch

Nightingale Prime HD

Not Really HD Mask of Clavicus Vile

Ultimate HD Torch

Animated Clutter

Animated Weapon Enchants

Better Turn Animation only One pose

Dawnguard Rune Weapons FXS Replacer

Deadly Spell Impacts

Dual Wield Blocking Animations

Enchantment Effect Replacer

Enhanced Blood Textures

Finer Dust

Improved Weapon Impact EFFECTS

Lightning during Thunder Storms

Lightning during Thunder Storms - Climates of Tamriel - Patch

NoMaaM Breathing Idles BBB

Rainbows

Running with a bow 3rd person

Smaller Ice Spike and Ice Spear

Shooting Stars

Skyrim Performance PLUS

The 418th Step 1 2 - Snow Version

Better Bones

Better Shadowmarks

Dark Brotherhood Tenets Restored - Standard Edition

Detailed Rugs

Enchanter Candle Meshes Improved

Enhanced HD Dragon Bones 1k v1.6a

Gemling Queen Dragon Claws

HD Baskets Retex

HD Linens

HD Ore And Ingots

HD Sacks Retexture

HQ Paper

Intricate Spider Webs

Mystery Modders Shrines HD

N-R HD Display Case

Not Really HD Keys

Pilgrims Delight - Legacy

Radiant and Unique Potions and Poisons HD

Realistic Instruments Pack

Ren's HD Shrines by Rengel

Septim HD

Silly Level of Detail - Potions and Poisons -- SLOD PnP

Silly Level of Detail - Wine Cellar -- SLOD WC

Skyrim Redesigned

Soul Gems Differ

Super Realistic Ore Textures

Sweet Mother - the Night Mother Improvement

White Phial Replacer

Better Animal Footsteps

Better Horse Pain Sounds

Better Weapon Swing Sounds

Audio Overhaul for Skyrim 2

Dragons Shout with Voice

Heart of the Beast - Werewolf Sound and Texture Overhaul

IHSS - Improved Horse Step Sounds

Immersive Skyrim Thunder V6

Improved Combat Sounds

Lower Sounding Thieves Guild Door

Realistic wolf howls

Smooth blades draw and sheath

Thundering shouts

Ultra Realistic Bow Shoot Sounds

Ultra Realistic Crossbow Shoot Sounds

Auto Unequip Ammo

Bring Out Your Dead

ClamsDropPearls

Come together N Out of the way - Nausicaa-S Tweaker

Convenient Horses v5_0

Dual Wield Parrying

Follower Trap Safety

Gildergreen Regrown

Lock Overhaul

Oblivion Gates

Run For Your Lives

SM Drop Lit Torches

Skyrim Coin Replacer Redux

Skyrim -Community- Uncapper

Wet and Cold

Wet and Cold - Ashes

Cutting Room Floor

When Vampires Attack

Even Better Quest Objectives

Thieves Guild Requirements

Traps Make Noise - More Dangerous Traps

Complete Crafting Overhaul Remade

The Choice is Yours

The Paarthurnax Dilemma

Non-Essential Children

DYNAVISION - Dynamic Depth of Field

Glowing Ore Veins 300

Unread Books Glow

Book Covers Skyrim 2 9 7 LEGENDARY - Original

Bookshelves Updated SKSE Script

Redguard Knight Armor

Severin Manor Improvements

Severin Manor Guard for Dragonborn DLC

Windstad Manor Free Tenants

Windstad Manor - Master Bedroom Suite

Lakeview Basement Bedroom - Hearthfire

Sherzie'sLakeviewKitchen

Lakeview Manor Fish Hatchery

LakeViewManorUpgrades_V_1_10_EN

Lakeview with Main Hall Library

Manor Roads (Arthmoor)

Enhanced Lights and FX

Enhanced Lights and FX - Dawnguard

Enhanced Lights and FX - Dragonborn

Project Reality - Climates Of Tamriel-V3

ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch

Climates Of Tamriel - Dragonborn Patch

My Home Is Your Home v2.3

Fores New Idles in Skyrim - FNIS

Fores New Idles in Skyrim - Spells

Fores New Idles in Skyrim - Creaures Pack

Dual Sheath Redux

FNIS Patch

DSR Patch

LeanWolf's Better Shaped Weapons - All in One Installer

Vividian ENB - Weather and Lighting Enhancement - Vivid Color Version

STEP Extended Patch 229

Climates Of Tamrial Bashed Patch

 

Load Order :

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[darkside]

That does not seem to be ENB problem.

[phazer11]

Moved to the appropriate subforum and changed the title for clarity. I'm unsure what might be causing this other than a mod. Since you seem to believe it's Vividian what makes you think that? Did you turn ENB off while inside Shift-F12 and the sky disappeared?

[Neovalen]

Is your in game and driver multisample AA turned off? Having in game AA on same time as ENB will cause see through issues like this.

[ram911]

@Darkside & @Phazer11 

You guy's are probably right that it is not an ENB issue but maybe a mod issue related to the installation of the ENB and all related mods. 

 

@phazer11 I turned the ENB off while facing the anomaly and it remained the same just less attractive. My reasons for believing that this is related to the ENB and or mods installed with it (COT, ELFX, and ELE patch) is because the cave that I entered had been cleared prior to the ENB being installed with just STEP Extended and my additional mods. This cave did not show this issue before and I only chose to revisit this cave by random choice. I have also played over 100 hours prior to becoming curious about an ENB (and for the record I LOVE ENB) I will go through my load order again in search of conflict later this evening when I can get free. 

 

@neovalen I followed the STEP Extended installation that included the Nvidia inspector recommendations, and the instructions to turn off AA and AF. I will check my ini's later as well because I did switch my edited versions with the ones created within the Vividian ENB Support Files folder.

 

Thank you guy's for your quick response any leads are appreciated.

I have read so much of what you guys have posted here since the day I joined. 

[Nozzer66]

But even so, with the ENB turned off the issue remained? Seems unlikely to be the ENB in and of itself. 

 

That first screenie looks like nearly all the textures are missing. I've seen that sort of thing happen when I've forgotten to turn off AA and AF in the Skyrim Launcher. Have you looked at that?

[ram911]

Update :

I am wondering if the mods loaded for Vividian ENB (ELFX, COT, Patches) are conflicting due to my install.

 

I uninstalled "Vividian ENB - Weather and Lighting Enhancement - Vivid Color Version" by disabiling the mod in Mod Organizer and removing all of the "Vividian ENB Install Files" from the Skyrim folder. 

 

*************** Disabled***************

ELE-Interior Lighting Merged.esp

Vividian - Lanterns of Skyrim Preset.esp *

Vividian - Torches Preset.esp

Vividian - Weather Patch CoT.esp

Vividian - Weather Patch Vanilla.esp

***************

*************** Left enabled ***************

Enhanced Lights and FX Exteriors

Enhanced Lights and FX Dawngaurd

Enhanced Lights and FX Dragonborn 

Enhanced Lights and FX NoBreezehome.esp

Project Reality - Clmates of Tamriel-V3

Climates of Tamriel Dawngaurd Patch

Climates of Tamriel Dragonborn Patch

AOS_COT3_1_patch.esp

Lanterns of Skyrim-Allin One-Climates of Tamriel-default.esp *

 

 I re-installed my ENBoost files (d3d9.dll, enbhost.exe, enblocal.ini, enbseries.ini). Re entered Ruunvald Excavation and the anomaly is no longer there and my FPS stays at 60 both exterior and interior.

 

* Could the Lanterns of Skyrim CoT .esp's be the ones conflicting? That will be my next test.

 

@Nozzer Yes I doubled checked tomake sure the launcher was set to "Off for best performance"

 

Edited January 16, 2015 by ram911

[Mangaclub]

sounded more like a cellreload conflict where skyrim decided: "nahhhh i wont load that now!"

[ram911]

@Magnaclub First off every mod that I have added to this game has improved my play through 100% and when I thought it could not get any better your ENB (Vividian ENB - Weather and Lighting Enhancement - Vivid Color Version" just took it up another notch..........Thanks your work is impressive.

 

Update :

Reinstalled "Vividian ENB - Weather and Lighting Enhancement - Vivid Color Version" which included these .esp 's :

ELE Plugin - RS Light Color.esp

ELE-FX Effects Interior.esp

ELE-Interior Lighting Merged.esp

Vividian - Weather Patch CoT.esp

Vividian - Weather Patch Vanilla.esp

 

The missing cave roof comes back in the same exact way. I double click on the created mod "Vividian ENB - Weather and Lighting Enhancement - Vivid Color Version" in order to look at the available esp's and I moved 

"ELE-Interior Lighting Merged.esp" to the optional esp's

Reloaded my save inside the cave and everything returned to normal expectations.

 

Any suggestions on why this patch or esp has a conflict, and do I need this esp loaded or removed in favor of another:|

 

 

I do believe I am getting close to playing this game again :)

[Mangaclub]

thanks :)

now that intresting. ELE causes this for you? *ponders*. lets have a look backwards. The Merges one includes vanilla ELE + all skyrim ELE DLC's merged to one esp.

Can you try using the unmerged plugins of the ele-interiors instead?

[ram911]

@Magnaclub OK just so I am clear on this, I am going to re install Vividian ENB and rename it. You suggest that I use the installer to load : 

 

ELE Plugin - RS Light Color.esp

ELE-FX Effects Interior.esp

Vividian - Weather Patch CoT.esp

Vividian - Weather Patch Vanilla.esp

 

But replace :

ELE-Interior Lighting Merged.esp

 

With this :

ELE-Interior Lighting.esp

Edited January 16, 2015 by ram911

[Mangaclub]

a reinstall might not be needed, just open the vividian archive and go to the Required Files and Presets\ELE\ folder. there you will find

ELE-Interior Lighting.esp
ELE DB-Interior Lighting.esp
ELE DG-Interior Lighting.esp
ELE HF-Interior Lighting.esp

to put it into the MO drawer. If it wors with those 4 then ELE-Interior Lighting Merged.esp has a problem.

[ram911]

Okay I got It.

 

Update :

I opened up the Vividian ENB folder in Mod Organizer downloads found these preset's 

ELE-Interior Lighting.esp
ELE DB-Interior Lighting.esp
ELE DG-Interior Lighting.esp
ELE HF-Interior Lighting.esp

 

Re started Skyrim and all looks as expected. I am going to re read What ELE actually is and does to make sure that I need :

ELE-Plugin - RS Light Color.esp

ELE-FX Effects Interiors.esp

 

Also do I need to choose between these two esp's , or are both required?????

Vividian-Weather Patch CoT.esp

Vividian-Weather Patch Vanilla.esp

[Nozzer66]

The CoT one stands for Climates of Tamriel. If you're using that mod, use that ESP.

[Mangaclub]

Yesi f you use COT then please use Vividian-Weather Patch CoT.esp aswell Vividian-Weather Patch Vanilla.esp. That vanilla patch is always required unless you use NLA,Pure weather or RCRN

[ram911]

Update :

@magnaclub thanks for clearing that up. Researching information for the Vanilla weather patch did not make things clear for me. I have added it to my load order. 

 

I have been using Loot to sort out my plugin load order for some time now and have always noticed some inconsistencies with where it will place certain plugins. After initial setup of Step extended the addition of mods and there plug ins require a re- run of Loot which then reorders again and sometimes returning an error in Mod Organizer (Potential Load order conflict) that always seems to involve the same mods from step extended.

 

Here is my current load order. If any one with some insight on anything they see I would be appreciated the feedback.

https://pastebin.com/Jtdngmy0

 

I have gone over my loadorder mod for mod this weekend and started placing mods where I felt they should go basing my decisions on what the plugin does.

 

I have found that when Loot loads this set of plugins for ELE after these plugins for ELFX I will get the sky is visible in a cave problem.

 

Manual placement of ELE plugins before ELFX. (As Shown Below) result in the game looking really really good and the fps between 42-60.

 

So it does not appear to be the Merged plugin removed earlier, but the order in which Loot loads them for me. I want to run loot again but I have been backing up my load order in various ways to insure I can get back to a base.

 

ELE-Interior Lighting.esp

ELE DG-Interior Lighting.esp

ELE HF-Interior Lighting.esp

ELE DB-Interior Lighting.esp

 

EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

ELFX - Exteriors.esp

ELE-Plugin - RS Light Color.esp

ELFX - Dawnguard.esp

ELFX - Dragonborn.esp