DynDOLOD 3.00 Alpha 196

[KatCut]

11 hours ago, sheson said:

Just like with FO4 settlements, the placed references would need to be exported to a json file for example (like Transfer Settlements - Shareable Settlement Blueprints) and then converted to a plugin with an xEdit script for example (like Import Transfer Settlements blueprint to esp). Then this plugin is active only when generating LOD.

That way static object LOD, dynamic LOD and tree LOD etc. could be generated as usual.

Thank you for responding. I couldn't quite understand all you said as I'm not familiar to how this all works under the hood. Could you point me to where I could find more detailed digestible information on the topic?

[sheson]

20 minutes ago, KatCut said:

Thank you for responding. I couldn't quite understand all you said as I'm not familiar to how this all works under the hood. Could you point me to where I could find more detailed digestible information on the topic?

You brought up FO4 settlements, so naturally I listed the two things which already exist to generate object LOD for them. Not sure if anybody does this, though.
In any case, object LOD needs to be generated outside the game, so the placement data needs to be exported to a data file. This is probably best done by the mod that does the building/placement of objects, unless a generic mod exists for this already. That data file can then be used to create an actual game plugin like any other mod which LOD generators can load together with the rest of the entire load order to generate LOD for it as usual.

I suppose to just show some things outside the active cells, the mod could set the Is Full LOD  flag on (large) full models, at the risk of requiring a lot a performance. That might require the help/creation of a SKSE DLL.

https://dyndolod.info/How-LOD-Works, https://dyndolod.info/Terminology and generally https://www.creationkit.com, https://tes5edit.github.io/docs/14-Scripting-Resources.html

[ccaacc]

On 7/12/2023 at 11:40 PM, sheson said:

通常不需要更改亮度、对比度或伽玛。对所有 LOD 级别使用相同的设置，以便它们之间没有明显的差异。

设置 BC7 Max 而不是 BC7 Quick 通常只意味着更长的生成时间，而质量没有任何明显的变化。

对于 LOD 级别 500，将“看不见的优化”设置为 4 并没有实际意义。

在《天际》中为普通地图纹理生成 mipmap 是没有意义的，因为游戏不使用它们。它只是延长了生成时间。
游戏仅使用 LOD 4 漫反射纹理的 mipmap。

Rad第一篇文章，阅读Terrain-LOD-Readme.txt包含在下载存档中，阅读 https:// dyndolod.info/Help/xLODGen

Grateful that the previous problem was solved, but had to ask for help again, the bare ground between the grass,

I saw the same question on the Internet, but did not find the answer

Version 1.5.97 has been downgraded and does not use （Grass Cache Fixes）

Grass cache suffix .cgid

 

[FinalCraneFall]

The similarity is those parts that are not working are also not able to selected by console in game. This is why I assume this might be an xLOD problem if they are actually in landscape form.

 

Parts of these 2 bridges don't work for DynDOLOD. Those parts also cannot be selected by console.

[sheson]

14 hours ago, ccaacc said:

Grateful that the previous problem was solved, but had to ask for help again, the bare ground between the grass,

I saw the same question on the Internet, but did not find the answer

Version 1.5.97 has been downgraded and does not use (Grass Cache Fixes)

Grass cache suffix .cgid

Moved to the DynDOLOD 3 Alpha thread. Read the first post and https://dyndolod.info/Official-DynDOLOD-Support-Forum#Post-Logs which log and debug log to upload when making posts.

https://dyndolod.info/Help/Grass-LOD#Settings
With No Grass In Objects full grass can render past the active cells, so Grass LOD can either start right beyond the active exterior cells (uGridsToLoad) which equals to Mode/DynDOLODGrassMode=1 (better for performance) or beyond the large reference distance (uLargeRefLODGridSize) which equals to Mode/DynDOLODGrassMode=2. If No Grass In Objects is not used, set Mode to 1, obviously.
Set the desired Mode in the advanced mode of DynDOLOD under the Grass LOD checkbox and for DynDOLODGrassMode in ..\NetScriptFramework\Plugins\GrassControl.config.txt. While the DynDOLODGrassMode can be changed at any time, the Mode used to generate grass LOD is baked into the object LOD meshes.

[sheson]

11 hours ago, FinalCraneFall said:

The similarity is those parts that are not working are also not able to selected by console in game. This is why I assume this might be an xLOD problem if they are actually in landscape form.

 

Parts of these 2 bridges don't work for DynDOLOD. Those parts also cannot be selected by console.

Read the first post and https://dyndolod.info/Official-DynDOLOD-Support-Forum#Post-Logs which logs and debug log to upload when making posts.

Read https://dyndolod.info/Official-DynDOLOD-Support-Forum#In-Game-Screenshots how to make useful screenshots. In particular:
Note that tree LOD or object LOD does not have a form ID. To determine if something is LOD, toggle LOD on/off with tll in console. In that case, also walk close to an object, so its reference with the full model is loaded in order to get its form ID and provide that screenshot of the full model in addition to the screenshot of the LOD.

https://dyndolod.info/FAQ#Something-does-not-have-LOD

[Poncington]

On 7/2/2023 at 11:09 PM, sheson said:

Read the first post or https://dyndolod.info/Official-DynDOLOD-Support-Forum#Post-Logs which log, debug log and bugrepost.txt (if it exists) to upload when making posts. Or enable the realtime log if no logs are created.

By not generating certain group of textures you did not get anything to work. You just ignored the issue and did not generate certain textures.

I finally got texgen and dyndolod to run with all options selected that I wanted.  It was getting stuck each time on a file "alnus forest shrub 01" from nature of the wildlands.  I went in sse edit and deleted the file and everything went smoothly.  I'd like to have everything from the mod in the game but I guess something is wrong with that texture or something.  Maybe I can fix it somehow and add it back in?  Not sure.

[sheson]

1 hour ago, Poncington said:

I finally got texgen and dyndolod to run with all options selected that I wanted. It was getting stuck each time on a file "alnus forest shrub 01" from nature of the wildlands. I went in sse edit and deleted the file and everything went smoothly. I'd like to have everything from the mod in the game but I guess something is wrong with that texture or something. Maybe I can fix it somehow and add it back in? Not sure.

Read the first post or https://dyndolod.info/Official-DynDOLOD-Support-Forum#Post-Logs which log, debug log and bugreport.txt (if it exists) to upload when making posts. Or enable the realtime log if no logs are created and upload that as explained.

By randomly removing records or deleting files the actual issues is ignored and certain LOD textures were not generated. Guessing that "something is wrong with that texture or something" is not really going to help to determine the actual cause of a problem.

If you want to troubleshooting the actual issue, then do not ignore requests.

[heheloveer]

A Chinese player encountered a visual problem most likely related to occlusion data.

As shown in the screenshots they provided, part of the Red Mountain LOD was missing (first pic). The problem went away when they were seeing from somewhere higher up (second pic) or with Occlusion.esp disabled (third pic).

Logs: https://anonfiles.com/r7ab392ez4/Logs_0716_rar

[sheson]

1 hour ago, heheloveer said:

A Chinese player encountered a visual problem most likely related to occlusion data.

As shown in the screenshots they provided, part of the Red Mountain LOD was missing (first pic). The problem went away when they were seeing from somewhere higher up (second pic) or with Occlusion.esp disabled (third pic).

Logs: https://anonfiles.com/r7ab392ez4/Logs_0716_rar

https://dyndolod.info/Official-DynDOLOD-Support-Forum#In-Game-Screenshots
If making general screenshots of areas or worldspaces, provide information like the worldspace name and the cell coordinates. The DynDOLOD SkyUI MCM - You Are Here page provides the current cell coordinates of the player.

Make sure terrain LOD meshes were generated with restored data xLODGen Resource - SSE Terrain Tamriel and that the geenrated LOD is active when generating occlusion.

If that was the case, see https://dyndolod.info/Help/Occlusion-Data#Optional-Configuration
For the settings below, edit ..\DynDOLOD\Edit Scripts\DynDOLOD\DynDOLOD_[GAME MODE].ini:
OcclusionHeight - the algorithm uses the highest point of the heightmap or object LOD between two samples points. Since the player itself could be standing on the highest point, this can add a bit of additional height if required. There is no need to change the height unless holes can still be seen in the distance from a vantage point.

Maybe try with 50 or 100.

It could also help to recalculate the MHDT data of the cell with CK. The game uses that data to know when to not disable LOD in the distance.

[FinalCraneFall]

On 7/14/2023 at 2:52 AM, sheson said:

Read the first post and https://dyndolod.info/Official-DynDOLOD-Support-Forum#Post-Logs which logs and debug log to upload when making posts.

Read https://dyndolod.info/Official-DynDOLOD-Support-Forum#In-Game-Screenshots how to make useful screenshots. In particular:
Note that tree LOD or object LOD does not have a form ID. To determine if something is LOD, toggle LOD on/off with tll in console. In that case, also walk close to an object, so its reference with the full model is loaded in order to get its form ID and provide that screenshot of the full model in addition to the screenshot of the LOD.

https://dyndolod.info/FAQ#Something-does-not-have-LOD

Both bridges' model cannot be selected by console like I said. They behave exactly like landscape.LODGen_SSE_Tamriel_log.txt
This is the log.

LODGen_SSE_Tamriel_log.txt

[Poncington]

On 7/15/2023 at 8:47 AM, sheson said:

Read the first post or https://dyndolod.info/Official-DynDOLOD-Support-Forum#Post-Logs which log, debug log and bugreport.txt (if it exists) to upload when making posts. Or enable the realtime log if no logs are created and upload that as explained.

By randomly removing records or deleting files the actual issues is ignored and certain LOD textures were not generated. Guessing that "something is wrong with that texture or something" is not really going to help to determine the actual cause of a problem.

If you want to troubleshooting the actual issue, then do not ignore requests.

No problem.  I'll reinstall notwl and redo texgen so I can upload the log.

https://ufile.io/ie8alzq0

https://ufile.io/v4rfayiw

[sheson]

7 hours ago, FinalCraneFall said:

Both bridges' model cannot be selected by console like I said. They behave exactly like landscape.LODGen_SSE_Tamriel_log.txt
This is the log.

LODGen_SSE_Tamriel_log.txt 52.47 kB · 0 downloads

Read the first post and https://dyndolod.info/Official-DynDOLOD-Support-Forum#Post-Logs which DynDOLOD log and DynDOLOD debug log to upload when making posts.

From the the LODGen log you upload:
meshes\cotn\landscape\bridges\lod\cotn_wood_small_01_noroof_end_lod.nif unexpected root node. Ignoring file.

Isn't there a related message like https://dyndolod.info/Messages/Root-Block in the DynDOLOD log that I asked for ? Is it it not listed in the https://dyndolod.info/Help/Summary-Of-Messages that open at then end? Fix that LOD model with NifSkope or maybe with Cathedral Assets Optimizer in any case.

You posted screenshots of the map. No close ups from the full models. Read https://dyndolod.info/Official-DynDOLOD-Support-Forum#In-Game-Screenshots:
In that case, also walk close to an object, so its reference with the full model is loaded in order to get its form ID and provide that screenshot of the full model in addition to the screenshot of the LOD.

Are you saying there are no full models you can walk close to in order to make a screenshot of them? You are not able to check / screenshot how LOD level 4 looks to see if it looks OK to see if the LOD level used for the map might just need updated mesh mask rules? You are also not able to provide the cell coordinates as alternative as explained?

[sheson]

6 hours ago, Poncington said:

No problem.  I'll reinstall notwl and redo texgen so I can upload the log.

https://ufile.io/ie8alzq0

https://ufile.io/v4rfayiw

Didn't you say it would stop after alnus_forest_shrub01, the log shows it stopping after ulmus04_vine_003cbc18. So it now stops after having created a different billboard. The debug log shows it tries to or waits for executing texconv to convert Coldharbourtreebark01.dds (most likely from the mod Vigilant).

In any case, check the task manager if there are any Texconv processes listed that TexGen might be waiting for. See i it continues with related error messages if you terminate them.
See what happens if you set texture compression formats at the bottom of TexGen to A8R8G8B8 for Diffuse alpha and Normal specular and R8G8B8 for Diffuse and Normal.
Report the outcome of both suggestions.

[Poncington]

9 hours ago, sheson said:

Didn't you say it would stop after alnus_forest_shrub01, the log shows it stopping after ulmus04_vine_003cbc18. So it now stops after having created a different billboard. The debug log shows it tries to or waits for executing texconv to convert Coldharbourtreebark01.dds (most likely from the mod Vigilant).

In any case, check the task manager if there are any Texconv processes listed that TexGen might be waiting for. See i it continues with related error messages if you terminate them.
See what happens if you set texture compression formats at the bottom of TexGen to A8R8G8B8 for Diffuse alpha and Normal specular and R8G8B8 for Diffuse and Normal.
Report the outcome of both suggestions.

Yeah I thought that was strange as well.  I reinstalled nature of the wild lands to restore the file I deleted and now it's freezing on a different one like you said.  As for vigilant I didn't have it installed before.  Still building my load order for the next play through.  I will try what you said and report.