Game started fine, then.. ILS.

[Sakiri]

As I mentioned in another thread, I was trying to modify my STEP install to add Enhanced Landscapes and run the Dark Fantasy set. Had an idea based off a video by Brodual.

 

Well.. this is what happened.

 

https://youtu.be/paFMgr5W_oU

 

Framerate is trash, lagging so bad my horse decided he needed to take a flight somewhere, and that popping.

 

Disabling the ENB(Bleak) helped the framerate, but not the popping. Framerate was a tiny bit worse than normal because I was recording.

 

In the end, I ended up completely ripping out everything and starting with a pristine Vanilla install. Reinstalled a bunch of mods, ignoring most of the mesh and texture updates outside the character ones from STEP and aMidianBorn's armor/weapon textures, and weapon meshes. 

 

But anyways, it all loaded nicely the first time, got a character in game and going, but once I got out of Helgen, I hit up Riverwood and saved. Saving a new character is a mistake.

 

Every single time I've attempted to test this build, a brand new game results in a fairly long load time to the cart ride(which I expect) but then everything is good until I save and exit to desktop.

 

If I try to reload that save, I get ILS.

 

Load order:

 

 

Skyrim.esm

Update.esm

Dawnguard.esm

HearthFires.esm

Dragonborn.esm

Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp

Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm

ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

HighResTexturePack01.esp

HighResTexturePack02.esp

HighResTexturePack03.esp

Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp

Cutting Room Floor.esp

SkyUI.esp

xce.esp

Appropriately Attired Jarls Redux.esp

Brawl Bugs CE.esp

Enhanced Landscapes.esp

Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp

SPTConsistentOlderPeople.esp

Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

imp_helm_legend.esp

Invisibility Eyes Fix.esp

NARC.esp

Paralyze.esp

STEP Vanilla Optimized Textures - Performance.esp

SamuraiArmor.esp

aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp

Auto Unequip Ammo.esp

Beards.esp

Better Stealth AI for Followers.esp

BWS.esp

Brows.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp

Nausicaa's Tweaker.esp

Convenient Horses - Faster Sprint.esp

Convenient Horses.esp

Dark Dungeons for Skyrim-Dawnguard-Dragonborn.esp

SolitudeExterior.esp

WhiterunExterior.esp

RealisticWaterTwo.esp

Enhanced Landscapes - Grass.esp

Enhanced Landscapes - Solstheim.esp

RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp

Enhanced Landscapes - DLC Patch.esp

Enhanced Landscapes - Green Fields.esp

Morning Fogs.esp

Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp

Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul Lite.esp

SFO - Dragonborn.esp

The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp

RelightingSkyrim_Legendary.esp

ELE_Legendary_Lite.esp

DesyncBirdsOfPrey.esp

Enhanced Landscapes - Dark Fantasy.esp

Fantasy Soundtrack Project.esp

FNIS.esp

GQJ_DG_vampireamuletfix.esp

HelmetToggle2.02b.esp

IHSS.esp

Improved Combat Sounds v2.2.esp

KS Hairdo's.esp

RaceMenu.esp

RaceMenuPlugin.esp

dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp

ADS.esp

Soul Gems Differ.esp

Supreme Fog - CoT.esp

TradeBarter.esp

ViewableFactionRanksBothDLC.esp

Bashed Patch, 0.esp

DynDOLOD.esp

 

 

Skyrim.ini:

 

 

[General]

sLanguage = ENGLISH

uExterior Cell Buffer = 36

fFlickeringLightDistance = 8192.0

sIntroSequence = 

 

[Display]

fShadowLODMaxStartFade = 1000.0

fSpecularLODMaxStartFade = 2000.0

fLightLODMaxStartFade = 3500.0

iShadowMapResolutionPrimary = 2048

bAllowScreenshot = 0

fSunUpdateThreshold = 1.5

fSunShadowUpdateTime = 0.25

 

[Audio]

fMusicDuckingSeconds = 6.0

fMusicUnDuckingSeconds = 8.0

fMenuModeFadeOutTime = 3.0

fMenuModeFadeInTime = 1.0

 

[Grass]

bAllowCreateGrass = 1

bAllowLoadGrass = 0

iMinGrassSize = 40

fGrassFadeRange = 10000.0

iMaxGrassTypesPerTexure = 7

 

[GeneralWarnings]

SGeneralMasterMismatchWarning = One or more plugins could not find the correct versions of the master files they depend on. Errors may occur during load or game play. Check the "Warnings.txt" file for more information.

 

[Archive]

sResourceArchiveList = Skyrim - Misc.bsa, Skyrim - Shaders.bsa, Skyrim - Textures.bsa, Skyrim - Interface.bsa, Skyrim - Animations.bsa, Skyrim - Meshes.bsa, Skyrim - Sounds.bsa

sResourceArchiveList2 = Skyrim - Voices.bsa, Skyrim - VoicesExtra.bsa

bInvalidateOlderFiles =0

SInvalidationFile =ArchiveInvalidation.txt

sArchiveList = Skyrim - Misc.bsa, Skyrim - Shaders.bsa, Skyrim - Textures.bsa, Skyrim - Interface.bsa, Skyrim - Animations.bsa, Skyrim - Meshes.bsa, Skyrim - Sounds.bsa

 

[Combat]

fMagnetismStrafeHeadingMult = 0.0

fMagnetismLookingMult = 0.0

f1PArrowTiltUpAngle = 0.7

f1PBoltTiltUpAngle = 0.7

f3PArrowTiltUpAngle = 0.7

 

[Papyrus]

fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS = 500.0

bEnableLogging = 0

bEnableTrace = 0

bLoadDebugInformation = 0

 

[Water]

bReflectLODObjects = 1

bReflectLODLand = 1

bReflectSky = 1

bReflectLODTrees = 1

 

[Actor]

fVisibleNavmeshMoveDist = 12288.0000

 

[Camera]

fMouseWheelZoomSpeed = 10.0

 

[interface]

bShowTutorials = 0

 

[MapMenu]

fMapWorldMinPitch = 0.0

fMapWorldYawRange = 400.0

fMapWorldMaxPitch = 90.0

 

skyrimprefs.ini:

[General]

fBrightLightColorB = 1.0000

fBrightLightColorG = 1.0000

fBrightLightColorR = 1.0000

iStoryManagerLoggingEvent =-1

bEnableStoryManagerLogging =0

 

[imagespace]

bDoDepthOfField =1

iRadialBlurLevel = 2

 

[Display]

bDeferredShadows =1

iBlurDeferredShadowMask =3

fInteriorShadowDistance =3000.0000

fShadowDistance =8000.0000

iShadowMapResolutionSecondary = 1024

iShadowMapResolutionPrimary = 2048

iShadowSplitCount = 2

iMaxAnisotropy =0

fLeafAnimDampenDistEnd =4600.0000

fLeafAnimDampenDistStart =3600.0000

fTreesMidLODSwitchDist =8192.0000

fGamma =1.0000

fDecalLOD2 =1500.0000

fDecalLOD1 =1000.0000

fSpecularLODStartFade =2000.0000

fShadowLODStartFade =200.0000

fLightLODStartFade =3500.0000

iTexMipMapMinimum =0

iTexMipMapSkip =0

iWaterMultiSamples =0

iMultiSample =0

iShadowMode =3

bTreesReceiveShadows =1

bDrawLandShadows =1

bShadowsOnGrass =1

bFull Screen =1

iSize H =1080

iSize W =1920

fMeshLODFadePercentDefault =1.2000

fMeshLODFadeBoundDefault =256.0000

fMeshLODLevel2FadeTreeDistance =4096.0000

fMeshLODLevel1FadeTreeDistance =6144.0000

fMeshLODLevel2FadeDist =10000000.0000

fMeshLODLevel1FadeDist =10000000.0000

iScreenShotIndex =2

bShadowMaskZPrepass =0

bMainZPrepass =0

iMaxSkinDecalsPerFrame =100

iMaxDecalsPerFrame =250

bFloatPointRenderTarget =1

sD3DDevice = "AMD Radeon R9 380 Series"

bFXAAEnabled =0

iShadowMapResolution =4096

fShadowBiasScale =0.1500

iShadowMaskQuarter =4

iAdapter = 0

iPresentInterval = 1

bFloatPointRenderTarget=1

iShadowFilter=3

bTransparencyMultisampling=0

bDrawShadows=1

 

[Grass]

b30GrassVS =1

fGrassStartFadeDistance =7000.0000

fGrassMaxStartFadeDistance =7000.0000

fGrassMinStartFadeDistance =0.0000

 

[MAIN]

bGamepadEnable =1

bCrosshairEnabled =1

fHUDOpacity =1.0000

bSaveOnPause =1

bSaveOnTravel =1

bSaveOnWait =1

bSaveOnRest =1

fSkyCellRefFadeDistance=150000.0000

 

[GamePlay]

bShowFloatingQuestMarkers =1

bShowQuestMarkers =1

iDifficulty =3

 

[interface]

bDialogueSubtitles =1

bGeneralSubtitles =1

fMouseCursorSpeed=1.0000

bShowCompass=1

 

[Controls]

fGamepadHeadingSensitivity =1.0000

fMouseHeadingSensitivity =0.0240

bAlwaysRunByDefault =1

bInvertYValues =0

bGamePadRumble =1

bMouseAcceleration = 1

bUseKinect=0

 

[Particles]

iMaxDesired =750

 

[saveGame]

fAutosaveEveryXMins =15.0000

 

[AudioMenu]

fAudioMasterVolume =1.0000

fVal7 =1.0000

uID7 =553853109

fVal6 =1.0000

uID6 =553853106

fVal5 =1.0000

uID5 =553854488

fVal4 =1.0000

uID4 =553853110

fVal3 =1.0000

uID3 =94881

fVal2 =0.4000

uID2 =466532

fVal1 =1.0000

uID1 =554685

fVal0 =0.8000

uID0 =1007612

 

[Clouds]

fCloudLevel2Distance =262144.0000

fCloudLevel1Distance =32768.0000

fCloudLevel0Distance =16384.0000

fCloudNearFadeDistance =9000.0000

 

[TerrainManager]

fTreeLoadDistance =75000.0000

fBlockMaximumDistance =250000.0000

fBlockLevel1Distance =70000.0000

fBlockLevel0Distance =35000.0000

fSplitDistanceMult =1.5000

bShowLODInEditor =0

 

[NavMesh]

fObstacleAlpha = 0.5000

fCoverSideHighAlpha = 0.8000

fCoverSideLowAlpha = 0.6500

fEdgeFullAlpha = 1.0000

fEdgeHighAlpha = 0.7500

fEdgeLowAlpha = 0.5000

fTriangleFullAlpha = 0.7000

fTriangleHighAlpha = 0.3500

fTriangleLowAlpha = 0.2000

fLedgeBoxHalfHeight = 25.0000

fEdgeDistFromVert = 10.0000

fEdgeThickness = 10.0000

fPointSize = 2.5000

 

[Trees]

bRenderSkinnedTrees =1

uiMaxSkinnedTreesToRender =200

 

[Decals]

uMaxDecals =1000

bDecals = 1

bSkinnedDecals = 1

uMaxSkinDecals = 100

uMaxSkinDecalsPerActor = 60

 

[LOD]

fLODFadeOutMultObjects =15.0000

fLODFadeOutMultItems =15.0000

fLODFadeOutMultActors =15.0000

fLODFadeOutMultSkyCell=1.0000

 

[Launcher]

bEnableFileSelection = 1

bShowAllResolutions = 1

uLastAspectRatio = 3

 

[blurShaderHDR]

bDoHighDynamicRange = 1

 

[blurShader]

bUseBlurShader = 0

 

[Water]

iWaterReflectHeight =1024

iWaterReflectWidth =1024

 

bUseWaterDisplacements=1

bUseWaterRefractions=1

bUseWaterReflections=1

bUseWaterDepth=1

 

enblocal.ini:

[PROXY]

EnableProxyLibrary=false

InitProxyFunctions=true

ProxyLibrary=other_d3d9.dll

 

[GLOBAL]

UsePatchSpeedhackWithoutGraphics=false

UseDefferedRendering=true

IgnoreCreationKit=true

 

[PERFORMANCE]

SpeedHack=true

EnableOcclusionCulling=true

 

[MEMORY]

ExpandSystemMemoryX64=false

ReduceSystemMemoryUsage=true

DisableDriverMemoryManager=true

DisablePreloadToVRAM=false

EnableUnsafeMemoryHacks=false

ReservedMemorySizeMb=512

VideoMemorySizeMb=4064

EnableCompression=false

AutodetectVideoMemorySize=false

 

[THREADS]

DataSyncMode=0

PriorityMode=0

EnableUnsafeFixes=false

 

[MULTIHEAD]

ForceVideoAdapterIndex=false

VideoAdapterIndex=0

 

[WINDOW]

ForceBorderless=false

ForceBorderlessFullscreen=false

 

[ENGINE]

ForceAnisotropicFiltering=true

MaxAnisotropy=16

ForceLodBias=false

LodBias=0.0

AddDisplaySuperSamplingResolutions=false

EnableVSync=true

VSyncSkipNumFrames=0

 

[LIMITER]

WaitBusyRenderer=false

EnableFPSLimit=false

FPSLimit=10.0

 

[iNPUT]

//shift

KeyCombination=16

//f12

KeyUseEffect=123

//home

KeyFPSLimit=36

//num /       106

KeyShowFPS=106

//print screen

KeyScreenshot=44

//enter

KeyEditor=13

//f4

KeyFreeVRAM=115

//B

KeyBruteForce=66

 

[ADAPTIVEQUALITY]

Enable=false

Quality=1

DesiredFPS=20.0

 

[ANTIALIASING]

EnableEdgeAA=false

EnableTemporalAA=false

EnableSubPixelAA=false

 

[FIX]

FixGameBugs=true

FixParallaxBugs=true

FixParallaxTerrain=false

FixAliasedTextures=true

IgnoreInventory=true

FixTintGamma=true

RemoveBlur=false

FixSubSurfaceScattering=true

FixSkyReflection=true

FixCursorVisibility=true

FixLag=false

 

[LONGEXPOSURE]

EnableLongExposureMode=false

Time=1.0

BlendMax=0.0

 

Before, while I was still loaded into the game, my distant terrain was.. well, missing and popping in. I had trees floating in the air, had to get closer to get the ground to render. I had a STEP core install running just fine without an ENB before, though my framerate wasn't completely smooth. I can't imagine ENB causing *this* much of a performance hit, and it doesn't explain why I'm sitting at ILS.

 

At this rate, I'm tempted to just say screw it, play a vanilla install, because I've got a machinima project this noncooperating game is holding up. I've been trying to get this particular set up working for two days. 

 

I'm pretty much at a loss, and have a feeling if this is how big of a problem a modded game is, my PC won't run Special Edition.

 

[Greg]

What are your system specs?

[Sakiri]

Crap I meant to post those. 

 

https://wiki.step-project.com/User:Sakiri/SystemSpecs

[Joat_Mon]

Are you using Win 10? Is your OS on the same SSD as Skyrim?

[Sakiri]

Yes and yes.

 

Unfortunately for both.

 

I do not have a second SSD. If I ran Skyrim off my old crappy HDDs I'd be waiting half an hour per load screen.

 

A second SSD is not in the budget. It's the only game actually installed on it as a side note. Everything else is on the rickety HDD.

[Joat_Mon]

I have Skyrim set on a friend's computer that is like your's. I experienced something similar because I was running out of disk space in game. I would not have found it just checking windows file manager, but I happened to have CUPID HWMonitor running to monitor temps and noticed that my SSD utilization had gone to nearly 100%.

Is Skyrim on a separate partition?

Edited July 30, 2016 by Joat_Mon

[Sakiri]

No. I have 145 GB free on this SSD though.

 

If that was the problem I'd hope I knew it.

[Joat_Mon]

If your game is installed in the root directory, C:\, then you might be running into a UAC (file permissions) problem.

 

Did the game run smooth before you added the mods on top of STEP?

Edited July 30, 2016 by Joat_Mon

[Sakiri]

Smooth, no. Framerate was kind of trash. Framerate was also kind of trash(at least compared to what I'm used to) before the upgrade.

 

This install has persisted since before I updated to 10. It ran flawless under 7 Ultimate, and then when I updated to 10, it ran flawless.

 

I then proceeded to install STEP, and well, if you look at my post history you'll notice I had problems with that too at first.

 

Eventually I got it running and it ran well, but I was getting about 45 fps and as one that records for YouTube, that's unacceptable. Then I had a brilliant idea for another video and... Yeah.

 

https://youtu.be/RO5mHASc8us

 

That was the STEP build after I installed it and managed to get it running. It's running on this same machine on Windows 10. Video quality is kind of crap(still unsure why I encoded it in 720p) but I was averaging 40-50 fps.

 

I ended up installing:

 

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/68782/?

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/12454/?

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/24460/?

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/24810/?

 

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/24828/? this is the ENB preset I'm using

 

At this point, on a new character the game ran pretty decently framerate wise. Once I got to Riverwood and headed over towards Whiterun I noticed issues.

 

https://i.imgur.com/dTJGgEo.jpg

 

That was the only screenshot I got before I couldn't get back in game. I had tree billboards popping like mad and that area I circled is supposed to be a hill. As you can see, the terrain is missing. There were trees floating in midair just before I got that shot.

 

The STEP build I ran before I was pushing the limits of my card. I can't understand why either when it should have been able to run just fine. Adding the ENB and landscape on top of it was probably *way* too much, but I figured if I pare down the mesh mods and reduce the texture quality/sizes I'd be ok. 

 

Something just isn't right. 

 

I'm honestly tempted to just start from scratch again. Install the fixes, patches, utilities, landscape, weather, character enhancements(skeletons, XCE, etc) and aMidianBorn textures and say screw the rest of it. That aesthetic is what I'm wanting right now and I can't get it with the rest of the stuff.

 

I pulled out the creature updates, the mesh updates, most of the texture updates. SkyMills and SkyFalls is gone. It's maddening.

I'd like to reiterate:

 

My current load order was done from scratch.

 

I've completely redone my entire mod install three times now.

 

I didn't just pull crap out of an existing STEP install.

 

I selected the mods in the load order I posted out of the STEP list and followed the guide otherwise. .ini tweaks, FNIS and DynDOLOD generation. Bashed patch. All of that.  I just did not install the full STEP install.

 

Just to make sure I was clear on that. Ripping mods out of an established set up can cause problems.

[Joat_Mon]

Well there are some things that can be done to help in Win 10. My gaming rig is very robust and it doesn't need to run anything but Skyrim, still I have to make compromises in Win 10 that weren't necessary in Win 7. I was all set to revert to Win 7, to give ENBoost some room, when the 64 bit DX11 version was announced.

 

Your experience looks like a memory issue and maybe a setup/install problem. If you not overly invested in a play through a fresh install of everything and some changes to Win 10 might be the best way to go.

Edited July 30, 2016 by Joat_Mon

[Sakiri]

I haven't gotten a single character anywhere.

 

I dumped all my old saves, as I can't use them on a different build. Mod dependencies and scripts and such.

 

What changes to 10 do you suggest? Do keep in mind I have as much of the telemetry and data collection off as I can, and I have a few third party tools to do it with, just in case that has an effect on it.

 

I'm thinking of just installing the landscape, the weather/fog, character tweaks from STEP(including the skeleton), the armor/weapon textures and de-LARP(god I can't go back to vanilla weapons... they look awful), SKYUI, and fixes and such, the ENB.

 

As much as I love SFO, I think it's part of my problem. I can always try to add it after and see what the hit looks like. I have a short list of "no compromises" mods I use in all of my  games.

 

aMidianBorns's armor/weapon texures

A Quality Map

Convenient Horses

Climates of Tamriel

SkyUI

KS Hairdos

XCE

Racemenu/precache killer

Auto Unequip Ammo

Hide Helmet

 

I'm also curious as to the performance hit(or lack thereof) of the sound/music replacements. If those aren't bad I can put all those in, too.

 

My VRAM is always running at capacity.

 

My system RAM I generally had a gig or so left of, but it's harder for me to check now that I don't have a second monitor to watch my stuff in realtime.

[Joat_Mon]

Although it should not cause a ILS or stuttering, CoT is not compatible with that ENB.

 

Win 10 is limited on memory and while everybody wants to devote as much memory to video as possible that isn't always where the problem is. You have ReservedMemorySizeMb=512 which is probable unnecessarily high and maybe just one thing contributing to poor performance.

 

For Win 10, do you have fast start disable and hibernation shut off? Have you trimmed services to the bone?

Edited July 30, 2016 by Joat_Mon

[Sakiri]

That's funny, because that's the ENB recommended for that build, and that mod list.

 

And it's worked just fine so far. 

 

https://i.imgur.com/rpIWgzY.jpg cart ride, while it was still working.

 

Theoretically I can dump it. But it looks fine.

 

Generally the compatibility reason is appearance. ENBs don't actually do anything to the game iirc. Postprocessing.

(problem I have with ENB taking my screenshots is I have to open them in something else and save as .jpg or I end up with a mostly white picture )

[Joat_Mon]

So you've followed the read me for that ENB, you have the right binary?

 

Are you using Crash Fixes or Sheson's memory patch?

[Joat_Mon]

Why did you choose this setting? DisableDriverMemoryManager=true

[Sakiri]

I'm using the latest binary.

 

I'm not using Sheson's memory patch as I was under the impression it was no longer needed, same with Crash Fixes.

 

If that value is set to True, its because a guide on here for either ENBoost or STEP .ini tweaks said to set it.

 

I'm on my phone so I can't look at my PC for stuff. I'll look that value up in a moment.

https://wiki.step-project.com/Guide:ENBlocal_INI/Memory

 

Can cause CTD with Sheson's memory patch, but I'm not using it.