STEP:Extended Proposal

STEP:Core Flowchart

In order to collect everyone's thoughts in one place (and make sure everyone has the correct Wiki editing privileges), here's a list of all the mods in v2.2.9. Make sure you use the sectional "Edit" links or you'll surely have trouble finding the right place to edit. Doing small edits will also (hopefully) prevent a lot of edit conflicts.

On this page, will represent the mod being added to STEP:Extended while represents removing the mod from STEP:Extended. For a better understanding of what STEP:Extended should consist of, see the STEP:Extended Mandate.

• Under Arguments, bring up any reason to go one way or the other and precede them with "[[File:|24px]]" to generate the icon.
• Under Votes, sign with either "{{icon|type=yes}} ~~~~" or "{{icon|type=no}} ~~~~" (four tildes creates a signature) signifying your opinion on whether the mod should be Core or not.
• {{icon|type=yesyellow}} () signifies an undecided or constitutional vote. Please provide in parentheses ( ... ) your conditions.

Utilities

Extenders

Fixes

Interface

Landscape and Environment

Characters and Creatures

Clothing and Equipment

Animations and Effects

Clutter and Miscellaneous

Sound

Gameplay

Patches

STEP Extended Table

Review

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I just want to start by saying that I don't see any issue listing "STEP approved" utilities on either Guide. They are tools rather than mods so having them all in a Pack (to be install on top of Core) doesn't really make much sense, IMO. Listing them on the STEP Guide and pointing to their individual, respective guides makes more sense. Else, if dropped, they may not ever get mentioned at all and many users may not ever know of their value. That should sum up my vote on the tools in this section. Techangel85 (talk) 23:56, February 25, 2014 (EST)

What about Optimizer Textures and ConSkyrbe? You still want that in there? Your point makes complete sense, and I like the idea of having them listed on both guides. DoubleYou (talk) 00:24, February 26, 2014 (EST)

Not necessarily. That is why I said, "STEP approved" utilities. I don't know of anyone that uses those two you mentioned. Techangel85 (talk) 00:47, February 26, 2014 (EST)

EssArrBee brought up a good point below. If the benchmarking aspect is going to remain part of the Guide then so do all the tools required for said benchmarking. Techangel85 (talk) 10:12, February 28, 2014 (EST)

BOSS Userlist Manager

Votes

I prefer this in a Utilities Pack. Might become unnecessary with BOSS 3 or with MO sorting implementation. DoubleYou (talk) 23:37, February 25, 2014 (EST)

at least for now this is an important utility for most users.Kelmych (talk) 01:28, February 28, 2014 (EST)

To important until BOSS v3 comes out. I first heard about BOSS v3 about a year ago and it still isn't here, so let's keep this. Essarrbee (talk) 02:55, February 28, 2014 (EST)

All utilities deserve a mention in the guide (i.e., Extended). Unless essential for installing STEP, a particular utility should not be Core ~z929669 Talk 22:02, April 1, 2014 (EDT)

ConSkrybe

Votes

I prefer this in a Utilities Pack. DoubleYou (talk) 23:39, February 25, 2014 (EST)

Very useful for modders. We should put together a modders pack. Essarrbee (talk) 02:56, February 28, 2014 (EST)

All utilities deserve a mention in the guide (i.e., Extended). Unless essential for installing STEP, a particular utility should not be Core ~z929669 Talk 22:02, April 1, 2014 (EDT)

DDSopt

Votes

I prefer this in a Utilities Pack. DoubleYou (talk) 23:39, February 25, 2014 (EST)

While I don't feel it should necessarily be in Core because it isn't easy to use, for many users it is extremely useful to get better game stability by optimizing the vanilla textures.Kelmych (talk) 01:26, February 28, 2014 (EST)

To me it is Core when we have the bat files to help the install. It takes time, but so does the entire guide. Essarrbee (talk) 02:57, February 28, 2014 (EST)

All utilities deserve a mention in the guide (i.e., Extended). Unless essential for installing STEP, a particular utility should not be Core ~z929669 Talk 22:02, April 1, 2014 (EDT)

Optimizer Textures

Votes

DDSopt is preferable. DoubleYou (talk) 23:39, February 25, 2014 (EST)

Suboptimal compared to DDSOpt. Techangel85 (talk) 19:42, February 26, 2014 (EST)

DDSopt provides more versatile and accurate optimization, and the tools in the STEP DDSopt guide allow optimizing multiple mods at once. Kelmych (talk) 01:22, February 28, 2014 (EST)

I even like SMCO better than this utility. Essarrbee (talk) 02:57, February 28, 2014 (EST)

DDSopt is the only texture-opt utility that STEP should support. ~z929669 Talk 22:02, April 1, 2014 (EDT)

Skyrim Performance Monitor

Votes

I prefer this in a Utilities Pack. DoubleYou (talk) 23:39, February 25, 2014 (EST)

Changed my mind, as I agree with Essarrbee's point. This is essential for benchmarking. --DoubleYou (talk) 07:01, March 3, 2014 (EST)

this is a useful utility but not a critical one and belongs in a utilities pack.Kelmych (talk) 01:29, February 28, 2014 (EST)

This is essential for new users trying to figure out their performance when they get into STEP. It helps benchmark and should maybe even be Core. Essarrbee (talk) 02:59, February 28, 2014 (EST)

All utilities deserve a mention in the guide (i.e., Extended). Unless essential for installing STEP, a particular utility should not be Core ~z929669 Talk 22:02, April 1, 2014 (EDT)

TES5Edit

Votes

I prefer this in Core. DoubleYou (talk) 23:39, February 25, 2014 (EST)

This is a core utility for Skyrim, if for no other purpose than cleaning the vanilla plugins to prevent problems that occur when they are not cleaned. Kelmych (talk) 01:30, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Why is this in Extended? Shame on us. Essarrbee (talk) 03:00, February 28, 2014 (EST)

All utilities deserve a mention in the guide (i.e., Extended). Unless essential for installing STEP, a particular utility should not be Core ~z929669 Talk 22:02, April 1, 2014 (EDT)

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Borderless Window

Votes

ENBoost covers this. If anything, put it in a Utilities Pack. DoubleYou (talk) 23:41, February 25, 2014 (EST)

Techangel85 (talk) 19:44, February 26, 2014 (EST)

for the reasons mentioned above Kelmych (talk) 01:57, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Obsolete ~z929669 Talk 22:04, April 1, 2014 (EDT)

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Subpage STEP Extended should move any mods kept from this section to animations or to a section at the end (for DSR). If a mod is truly a fix then it should be Core. Essarrbee (talk) 03:06, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Nitpick

Votes

Not needed with Mod Organizer, even possibly conflicting with Mod Organizer. We should mention it in the STEP guide for Wrye Bash users. DoubleYou (talk) 23:42, February 25, 2014 (EST)

This should have been removed with the 2.2.8 release. Techangel85 (talk) 19:46, February 26, 2014 (EST)

not needed with MO.Kelmych (talk) 01:32, February 28, 2014 (EST)

It would be the only mod left in Fixes if we move DSR, XPMS, and Ragdolls to animations. Essarrbee (talk) 03:02, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Obsolete ~z929669 Talk 22:06, April 1, 2014 (EDT)

Realistic Ragdolls and Force

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 23:43, February 25, 2014 (EST)

Techangel85 (talk) 19:46, February 26, 2014 (EST)

Kelmych (talk) 01:33, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Essarrbee (talk) 03:03, February 28, 2014 (EST)

This should be Core IMO ~z929669 Talk 22:06, April 1, 2014 (EDT)

XP32 Maximum Skeleton

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 23:43, February 25, 2014 (EST)

Techangel85 (talk) 19:46, February 26, 2014 (EST)

Kelmych (talk) 01:33, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Should be moved to animations since it is a replacer for the skeleton and animations. Essarrbee (talk) 03:04, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Tis just a skeleton, and is really a fix, IMO (hence, should be Core) ~z929669 Talk 22:06, April 1, 2014 (EDT)

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Blessings-Altar Descriptions

I don't agree with Kelmych's and Essarrbee's reasoning here. Basically they are saying they want to keep it because it makes the game easier (even if it's a small aspect of it). The information about the altars is there for those that take the time to find it. I don't think we should be including mods that make the game easier in any aspect unless it's a function aspect should as dialogue controls. The only logical reason for keeping this would be the argument that the PC would likely know information about the different religions practiced in his homeland as many of us do in real life. TechAngel85 (talk) 10:19, March 20, 2014 (EDT)

It seems to me that you would be right about people knowing the religion if they lived in that world, but we don't live there. We have to play the game when life gives us the time and it is just annoying activating a statue and it gives you an effect that you thought was something else. EssArrBee (talk) 01:14, April 1, 2014 (EDT)

Votes

Adds information the player should find out on their own. DoubleYou (talk) 23:45, February 25, 2014 (EST)

I agree with DoubleYou on this one. Techangel85 (talk) 22:07, February 27, 2014 (EST)

provides important information which Skyrim makes hard to find. Kelmych (talk) 01:35, February 28, 2014 (EST)

I hate trying to remember all the effects. We should ask the author for permission to include this in a compilation. Essarrbee (talk) 03:16, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Read books, explore, ... remember. Just look at the active effect! ~z929669 Talk 22:32, April 1, 2014 (EDT)

Disease Descriptions

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 23:46, February 25, 2014 (EST)

This does pretty much the same things as Blessings-Altar Descriptions, but for diseases rather than alters. If you get rid of one you should probably get rid of the other to remain unbiased. I've never agreed with this mod anyway. Techangel85 (talk) 22:12, February 27, 2014 (EST)

provides useful information that improves immersion Kelmych (talk) 01:37, February 28, 2014 (EST)

This only affects the Magic menu description and is very useful. Will also gave permission to use it in a compilation. Essarrbee (talk) 03:16, February 28, 2014 (EST)

This effectively transforms the disease into a RP-able concept instead of a pure distillation of the game effect. I actually prefer the original mod that does not include the game effect. ~z929669 Talk 22:32, April 1, 2014 (EDT)

Dungeon Quest Awareness

Votes

Adds information the player should find out on their own. DoubleYou (talk) 23:46, February 25, 2014 (EST)

Depends. If this prevents players from starting areas that have quests attached and thus could break the quest, then we need to keep it. Which according to the Nexus mod page, this is exactly what this mod does. If no quest are actually broken by entering an area early, then it can go. Techangel85 (talk) 22:14, February 27, 2014 (EST)

Provides information about dungeons with non-radiant quests so they don't get broken. The game should prevent accessing these dungeons but doesn't always do so, breaking immersion and potentially breaking quests. Kelmych (talk) 01:40, February 28, 2014 (EST)

I do like this mod, but it is made with a non-english version of the game and there are conflicts that arise from that. Essarrbee (talk) 03:16, February 28, 2014 (EST)

- The less I know the better. This is TMI ~z929669 Talk

Immersive HUD

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 23:47, February 25, 2014 (EST)

Not only is the mod immersive, but it's an excellent tool for screen/video capturing. Techangel85 (talk) 22:15, February 27, 2014 (EST)

Kelmych (talk) 01:37, February 28, 2014 (EST)

This mod is Core IMHO. Essarrbee (talk) 03:16, February 28, 2014 (EST)

~z929669 Talk 22:32, April 1, 2014 (EDT)

Interface Hard Coded Key Tweaks

Votes

I'm neutral, as I have not looked into exactly what this does. DoubleYou (talk) 23:48, February 25, 2014 (EST)

Honestly, this is not needed and I don't see it as a fix. It just remaps some keys and I've never played with it. There is nothing wrong with vanilla mapping. I've used vanilla key mapping since day one. I don't think we should be supporting a mod the changes the key mapping either, as this could force users to "relearn" the keys that they've most likely used for a long time. The rare user who wants to remap their keys, can do so on their own. Techangel85 (talk) 22:23, February 27, 2014 (EST)

I use this mod since it disconnects the vanilla key bindings in which the numpad keys and number keys are linked (noticeable reducing the number of potential hotkeys) and because this, or an equivalent, is needed with MoreHotkeysPlease!. However, this utility is only needed by a somewhat small group of users.Kelmych (talk) 01:44, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Never used it even when it is installed, don't even know how to use it. Essarrbee (talk) 03:16, February 28, 2014 (EST)

~z929669 Talk 22:32, April 1, 2014 (EDT)

KenMOD Time On Loading Screen

Votes

Better in a convenience pack. DoubleYou (talk) 23:49, February 25, 2014 (EST)

I like this mod as it helps me keep track of time while gaming. For those that cry out the "immersion breaking" argument, I'm calling BS on that. It's no more immersion breaking than the loading screen it's on. Is it an improvement to the game itself? No. Will it hurt keeping it in Extended? No. Techangel85 (talk) 22:27, February 27, 2014 (EST)

I don't feel that it adds much to the game. Kelmych (talk) 01:45, February 28, 2014 (EST)

I don't really have clocks everywhere in my house and just loose track of time, this helps me. Essarrbee (talk) 03:16, February 28, 2014 (EST)

~z929669 Talk 22:32, April 1, 2014 (EDT)

Lore-Based Loading Screens

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 23:49, February 25, 2014 (EST)

No brainer. Techangel85 (talk) 22:28, February 27, 2014 (EST)

adds some immersion to the game for me Kelmych (talk) 01:46, February 28, 2014 (EST)

This or Uncle Sheo's. :p Essarrbee (talk) 03:16, February 28, 2014 (EST)

~z929669 Talk 22:32, April 1, 2014 (EDT)

Main Menu Spinning Emblem

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 23:50, February 25, 2014 (EST)

Could care less. Let me ask this...what is wrong with the vanilla one? Techangel85 (talk) 22:30, February 27, 2014 (EST)

it's small but adds to the game. Kelmych (talk) 01:47, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Essarrbee (talk) 03:16, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Abstaining ~z929669 Talk 22:32, April 1, 2014 (EDT)

No Boring Sleep-Wait Menu

Votes

Better in a Utilities pack. Only useful for cleaning saves. DoubleYou (talk) 23:52, February 25, 2014 (EST)

Techangel85 (talk) 22:31, February 27, 2014 (EST)

As a utility it's needed for savegame cleaning so it would be important in a utility pack unless one of the alternative mods provides a usable ingame multi-day sleep/wait menu that fits with the game graphics. Kelmych (talk) 01:51, February 28, 2014 (EST)

I don't like the Oblivion aesthetic. Essarrbee (talk) 03:16, February 28, 2014 (EST)

~z929669 Talk 22:32, April 1, 2014 (EDT)

No Menu and Loading Smoke

Votes

Changed to no as I see no purpose of removing the smoke. It would be a matter of personal preference. DoubleYou (talk) 09:30, April 8, 2014 (EDT)

There is no advantage to this mod anymore. We originally had it due to ENBs messing up the loading screen; however, they now ignore the loading screens so that point is moot. Techangel85 (talk) 22:34, February 27, 2014 (EST)

I haven't found that it adds much value now that it isn't fixing an ENB problem. Kelmych (talk) 01:55, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Essarrbee (talk) 03:16, February 28, 2014 (EST)

~z929669 Talk 22:32, April 1, 2014 (EDT)

Not Another Colored Map Icon Mod

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 23:50, February 25, 2014 (EST)

This mod has been out-of-date for a really long time with no foreseeable updates (author says he's going to going for months now but hasn't yet). It conflicts with SkyUI and you have to make MCM changes for it to work as intended. I'd prefer we find an alternative solution that is up-to-date with SkyUI and the unofficial patches. Techangel85 (talk) 22:40, February 27, 2014 (EST)

I find colored map markers very useful and this is the best one I've used. It has problems with SkyUI that are being fixed. Kelmych (talk) 01:54, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Essarrbee (talk) 03:16, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Not necessary and not worth it until it is 100% compatible with SkyUI ... less headache. ~z929669 Talk 22:32, April 1, 2014 (EDT)

Smaller Cursor

Votes

I'm even okay with this in Core. DoubleYou (talk) 23:51, February 25, 2014 (EST)

Techangel85 (talk) 22:42, February 27, 2014 (EST)

I find this much more usable than the vanilla cursor. Kelmych (talk) 01:56, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Try going back to the vanilla cursor, it's awful. Should be in Core. Essarrbee (talk) 03:16, February 28, 2014 (EST)

This is a Core mod, and I am marking it so now ;) ~z929669 Talk 22:32, April 1, 2014 (EDT)

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AMidianBorn Caves and Mines

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 23:54, February 25, 2014 (EST)

Techangel85 (talk) 22:48, February 27, 2014 (EST)

Kelmych (talk) 02:12, February 28, 2014 (EST)

I believe this has been updated since introduction and might need another look. Essarrbee (talk) 03:21, February 28, 2014 (EST)

ALL asset replacers belong in Core. ~z929669 Talk 22:46, April 1, 2014 (EDT)

Chimneys for Skyrim

This will be dropped. Hearthfire Chimneys for Skyrim will replace it in Core.

Votes

n/a

Footprints

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 23:54, February 25, 2014 (EST)

Techangel85 (talk) 22:52, February 27, 2014 (EST)

Essarrbee (talk) 03:21, February 28, 2014 (EST)

I've had problems with this mod causing CTDs in the past but I haven't noticed this happening lately. Kelmych (talk) 18:30, February 28, 2014 (EST)

~z929669 Talk 22:46, April 1, 2014 (EDT)

HiRes Legible Road Signs

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 23:54, February 25, 2014 (EST)

Techangel85 (talk) 22:52, February 27, 2014 (EST)

Essarrbee (talk) 03:21, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Kelmych (talk) 18:20, February 28, 2014 (EST)

I want the original vanilla signs with a better wood texture only. ~z929669 Talk 22:46, April 1, 2014 (EDT)

Lanterns Of Skyrim

We seem to differ on this mod's inclusion. Need some others to weigh in on this. Why hasn't Z given any opinions? EssArrBee (talk) 01:19, April 1, 2014 (EDT)

Votes

Since when does Skyrim have lanterns along every road? I get the lighting issue, but isn't that the reason for torches? DoubleYou (talk) 23:54, February 25, 2014 (EST)

I love this mod because it adds atmosphere to the game; however, it doesn't make a lot of sense to be in Skyrim. So I'm riding the fence for now. Techangel85 (talk) 22:52, February 27, 2014 (EST)

I only like the lanterns in town, the road lanterns just seem out of place. Essarrbee (talk) 03:21, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Lanterns in a town/village and on roads close to any town/village and near inns seem very reasonable, but other lanterns don't that are far from any community or business (inn or tavern). Unfortunately NPCs use vanilla lighting and don't need torches/lanterns and can easily travel at night, although recently there is a mod that might fix this (I haven't tested it). Currently the only menu choices are lanterns in villages and lanterns on roads; I'd like a third choice for roads near towns/cities (and establishments if feasible). What's the best way to handle this game limitation? Perhaps the author will be willing to have a version with some of the lanterns removed Kelmych (talk) 15:38, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Isn't it possible to turn off lanterns outside of cities? I say 'no' to lanterns everywhere and 'yes' in and around cities only ~z929669 Talk 22:56, April 1, 2014 (EDT)

Re-Defined Dungeons

I think this should be put in Core. Is there a reason that it isn't? All of the mod I've seen so far looks like "enhanced vanilla" textures to me. TechAngel85 (talk) 23:05, March 8, 2014 (EST)

I concur. EssArrBee (talk) 01:19, April 1, 2014 (EDT)

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 23:54, February 25, 2014 (EST)

Techangel85 (talk) 22:52, February 27, 2014 (EST)

(roughly 50% of the textures overwrite vanilla textures and are not overwritten by mods) Kelmych (talk) 02:12, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Essarrbee (talk) 03:21, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Only if not overwritten by other mods already in STEP either up or downstream ... I don't have it loaded, so I cannot check ~z929669 Talk 22:56, April 1, 2014 (EDT)

Only The Beauty of Skyrim - Dungeons is overwriting anything from this mod. So if all replacers end up in Core then there is no reason this one can't go in either. This mod overwrites a few textures from SRO. TechAngel85 (talk) 18:51, April 2, 2014 (EDT)

The Beauty of Skyrim-Dungeons

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 23:54, February 25, 2014 (EST)

Techangel85 (talk) 22:52, February 27, 2014 (EST)

Kelmych (talk) 02:13, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Essarrbee (talk) 03:21, February 28, 2014 (EST)

- Let's pick one dungeon mod or support a strong argument for a proper compilation. ~z929669 Talk 22:56, April 1, 2014 (EDT)

Most of the compares on already in the mod threads. It'll only take a quick look as to why there is a compilation of certain areas and the discussions for them. No need to redo what has already been done. I think if we "simplify" the guide too much then we'll end up losing some quality. Compilations is also how we've always done it; taking the best from multiple mods and showcasing it. I think the high praises we've been getting from users is also proof enough that we're doing it right. TechAngel85 (talk) 18:56, April 2, 2014 (EDT)

Vibrant Auroras

Votes

Changing as I agree with Z. DoubleYou (talk) 15:59, April 6, 2014 (EDT)

Depends. I think we should keep it; however, if we end up recommending an ENB, then we should judge it based on how it looks within the ENB. Techangel85 (talk) 22:52, February 27, 2014 (EST)

Essarrbee (talk) 03:21, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Kelmych (talk) 15:39, February 28, 2014 (EST)

there is noting wrong with vanilla auroras! ~z929669 Talk 22:56, April 1, 2014 (EDT)

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83Willows 101BugsHD

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 23:57, February 25, 2014 (EST)

I love pretty bugs! Techangel85 (talk) 22:57, February 27, 2014 (EST)

I find the bugs and diverse butterflies add a lot to the game Kelmych (talk) 02:14, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Essarrbee (talk) 03:25, February 28, 2014 (EST)

~z929669 Talk 16:54, April 2, 2014 (EDT)

Birds and Flocks

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 23:57, February 25, 2014 (EST)

Techangel85 (talk) 23:15, February 27, 2014 (EST)

Essarrbee (talk) 03:25, February 28, 2014 (EST)

I find the birds add to my immersion in the game even through there can sometimes be problems with them Kelmych (talk) 01:51, March 1, 2014 (EST)

Only if there are not performance issues or annoying sound issues ~z929669 Talk 16:54, April 2, 2014 (EDT)

HD Rabbits Plus

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 23:57, February 25, 2014 (EST)

Techangel85 (talk) 23:44, February 27, 2014 (EST) Updated my vote. After playing for a while again, there is no need for this mod that simply adds variant textures and more rabbits. TechAngel85 (talk) 18:59, April 2, 2014 (EDT)

Rabbits are small, and I don't find the HD rabbits sufficiently better to be willing to use an esp for just a few rabbits Kelmych (talk) 02:17, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Essarrbee (talk) 03:25, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Is this even necessary with Bellyache's?? ~z929669 Talk 16:54, April 2, 2014 (EDT)

Ice Wraith

Votes

Not sure if this is any improvement over vanilla DoubleYou (talk) 23:57, February 25, 2014 (EST)

I think the vanilla textures fit into the game better. Techangel85 (talk) 23:44, February 27, 2014 (EST)

The transparency from a distance is much better than vanilla. Essarrbee (talk) 03:25, February 28, 2014 (EST)

If style is consistent with vanilla and transparency is better, then it seems OK (I don't feel strongly either way) ~z929669 Talk 16:54, April 2, 2014 (EDT)

I've never felt strongly either way Kelmych (talk) 00:25, April 4, 2014 (EDT)

Improved Foot Wraps for Females

Votes

Unless we can replace it somehow. DoubleYou (talk) 23:57, February 25, 2014 (EST)

If we're just using this for the feet then we should use FemFeet instead, unless this "foot wrap" doesn't just lay on top of the body and also includes the feet in the texture (like a boot). If it does, then we should keep it regardless of using a female body replacer or not.Techangel85 (talk) 23:44, February 27, 2014 (EST)

There has to be another mod somewhere that covers this and a lot more. Essarrbee (talk) 03:25, February 28, 2014 (EST)

we have Better Males in STEP:Core, so we should consider adding a non-nude female body replacer in STEP:Extended. That would likely eliminate the need for using this mod. Kelmych (talk) 01:54, March 1, 2014 (EST)

Let's use UNP with underwear for Extended ~z929669 Talk 16:54, April 2, 2014 (EDT)

PondFish and Salmon Replacer

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 23:57, February 25, 2014 (EST)

Techangel85 (talk) 23:44, February 27, 2014 (EST)

Essarrbee (talk) 03:25, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Kelmych (talk) 18:18, February 28, 2014 (EST)

~z929669 Talk 16:54, April 2, 2014 (EDT)

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Better Circlets

Votes

Currently in testing. Perhaps Core. Not really sure if I like these or not. DoubleYou (talk) 00:02, February 26, 2014 (EST)

I've not tried them out in-game; however, in most of the shots I've seen they look out of place with the rest of the textures in the game. They stand out far too much because they are too bright in most lighting compared to the other textures around them. Yellow vote is because I've not tried them in-game. Techangel85 (talk) 23:55, February 27, 2014 (EST)

These are great. Love using them with glowing circlet gems for mage characters. Essarrbee (talk) 03:28, February 28, 2014 (EST)

This mod seems to work reasonably well with True Circlet Gems, that provide better meshes, to yield more interesting and realistic circlets. Kelmych (talk) 01:30, March 1, 2014 (EST)

Should be in Core ~z929669 Talk 16:56, April 2, 2014 (EDT)

Elven Weapons for Silence

Votes

I like them, but would rather not include as they don't necessarily go with the STEP Elven Armor. DoubleYou (talk) 00:04, February 26, 2014 (EST)

I'm with DoubleYou on this one. On my personal game, I use the black and gold Elven armor so I also use these because they match the armor. However, STEP uses the default gold armor in Core so this weapon retex should be dropped. Techangel85 (talk) 23:49, February 27, 2014 (EST)

~z929669 Talk 16:56, April 2, 2014 (EDT)

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Animated Weapon Enchants

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 00:06, February 26, 2014 (EST)

Techangel85 (talk) 00:25, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Kelmych (talk) 02:05, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Essarrbee (talk) 03:32, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Does this conflict with Enchantment Effect Replacer? ~z929669 Talk 22:34, April 3, 2014 (EDT)

There is no conflict TechAngel85 (talk) 13:59, April 6, 2014 (EDT)

Burn Freeze Shock Effects

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 00:06, February 26, 2014 (EST)

I know some have issues with this mod, but I can honestly say that I haven't. Techangel85 (talk) 00:25, February 28, 2014 (EST)

I like the effect but I've had issues with CTD using this and other effects mods. I'm trying to see whether the new memory management mods eliminate the problems. Kelmych (talk) 02:04, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Essarrbee (talk) 03:32, February 28, 2014 (EST)

~z929669 Talk 22:34, April 3, 2014 (EDT)

Deadly Spell Impacts

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 00:06, February 26, 2014 (EST)

Same as above. Techangel85 (talk) 00:25, February 28, 2014 (EST)

I like the effect but I've had issues with CTD using this and other effects mods. I'm trying to see whether the new memory management mods eliminate the problems. Kelmych (talk) 02:04, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Essarrbee (talk) 03:32, February 28, 2014 (EST)

~z929669 Talk 22:34, April 3, 2014 (EDT)

Dual Wield Blocking Animations

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 00:06, February 26, 2014 (EST)

Techangel85 (talk) 00:25, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Kelmych (talk) 02:05, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Essarrbee (talk) 03:32, February 28, 2014 (EST)

~z929669 Talk 22:34, April 3, 2014 (EDT)

Enchantment Effect Replacer

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 00:06, February 26, 2014 (EST)

Techangel85 (talk) 00:25, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Does this conflict with Animated Weapon Enchants? ~z929669 Talk 22:34, April 3, 2014 (EDT)

There is no conflict TechAngel85 (talk) 13:59, April 6, 2014 (EDT)

Enhanced Blood Textures

A note about why I disable screen blood: I mainly play in third person so screen blood makes no sense for that view; however, if you think about it, it doesn't make any sense even in first person. The blood splatters on the "screen" thus breaking immersion because it clearly looks as though it has splattered on a camera lens. If blood were to get into the eyes, you'd be blinded first and then possibly have blurry vision for a bit...not see through the blood splatters as if you're looking through a lens. It's just plain unrealistic. TechAngel85 (talk) 14:05, April 6, 2014 (EDT)

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 00:06, February 26, 2014 (EST)

At the very least, we can use the textures. I always turn off the screen blood though, since I play in 3rd person most of the time.Techangel85 (talk) 00:25, February 28, 2014 (EST)

I agree with Tech and Kelmych about the screen blood. Are we playing as guy who's face is a tv screen? EssArrBee (talk) 01:24, April 1, 2014 (EDT)

as tech mentions the textures are good even if we don't want the whole mod. I'm not a huge fan of screen blood in any game but many seem to like it. Kelmych (talk) 01:13, March 8, 2014 (EST)

Disable screen blood is fine by me ~z929669 Talk 22:34, April 3, 2014 (EDT)

Improved Weapon Impact Effects

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 00:06, February 26, 2014 (EST)

Techangel85 (talk) 00:25, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Kelmych (talk) 02:06, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Essarrbee (talk) 03:32, February 28, 2014 (EST)

~z929669 Talk 22:34, April 3, 2014 (EDT)

Lightning During Thunder Storms

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 00:06, February 26, 2014 (EST)

Techangel85 (talk) 00:25, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Kelmych (talk) 02:06, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Essarrbee (talk) 03:32, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Only if we recommend significantly reduced frequency of strikes. This mod produces way too many by default ~z929669 Talk 22:34, April 3, 2014 (EDT)

Rainbows

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 00:06, February 26, 2014 (EST)

Techangel85 (talk) 00:25, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Kelmych (talk) 02:06, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Essarrbee (talk) 03:32, February 28, 2014 (EST)

~z929669 Talk 22:34, April 3, 2014 (EDT)

Smaller Ice Spikes and Spear

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 00:06, February 26, 2014 (EST)

Techangel85 (talk) 00:25, February 28, 2014 (EST)

I find it more realistic than vanilla Kelmych (talk) 02:07, February 28, 2014 (EST)

I like the big ice spikes sticking out of dead things. Essarrbee (talk) 03:32, February 28, 2014 (EST)

~z929669 Talk 22:34, April 3, 2014 (EDT)

Shooting Stars

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 00:06, February 26, 2014 (EST)

Techangel85 (talk) 00:25, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Kelmych (talk) 02:07, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Essarrbee (talk) 03:32, February 28, 2014 (EST)

~z929669 Talk 22:34, April 3, 2014 (EDT)

Skyrim Performance Plus

I think we need to see some performance data on this one before deciding. We can gather up a few users with lower-end systems that match or are close to the minimum STEP requirement and have them test it for us. A very quick and dirty FPS compare is all that is really needed. I could probably do this on my friend's laptop. In fact, I could take my video card out and test this using the integrated Intel HD 4600 on my CPU as well. Any users that we know of who could test this? I think Torminater also has a low-end system and he'd be willing. Techangel85 (talk) 10:34, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Torminater has reported back that on his lower-end laptop, he did not see any difference with this mod enable vs disabled. The same FPS resulted. The only thing it might have done is save a tiny bit of VRAM. Techangel85 (talk) 21:14, March 2, 2014 (EST)

Votes

Would prefer in a Performance pack. DoubleYou (talk) 00:06, February 26, 2014 (EST)

I have a hard time believing this actually improves performance on any sort of modern system. On my last system, I didn't see any change and on this new system I can't find a place in Skyrim that I drop below a solid 50FPS. Techangel85 (talk) 00:25, February 28, 2014 (EST)

I actually think it belongs in core. It's one of only two texture mods in STEP that attempt to improve performance, and we still have a lot of users with low-end systems. The STEP guide minimum system is very low end compared with the recommended system. Kelmych (talk) 02:01, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Essarrbee (talk) 03:32, February 28, 2014 (EST)

I am pretty sure that anyone will see some frame-rate gain under certain conditions with this mod. To prove it requires careful testing, but common sense says that this is a no-brainer. Hence, this should be Core with a minor tweak to the Notes ~z929669 Talk 22:34, April 3, 2014 (EDT)

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The 418th Step

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 00:10, February 26, 2014 (EST)

While it is lore friendly, I don't find it adds enough to the game that I'm willing to use an esp for it Kelmych (talk) 02:19, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Essarrbee (talk) 03:39, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Reading the nexus page, this is lore friendly and has a purpose. Techangel85 (talk) 11:02, February 28, 2014 (EST)

ditto Kelmych ... unless we assimilate this into our patch ~z929669 Talk 23:00, April 3, 2014 (EDT)

Better Bones

Votes

Has conflicts, needs to go back to testing at least. DoubleYou (talk) 00:10, February 26, 2014 (EST)

Essarrbee (talk) 03:39, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Needs to be sent back to testing. There are no compares for this in the forum thread. Techangel85 (talk) 11:05, February 28, 2014 (EST)

- Not sure it is better than vanilla ... agree that we need compares before using ... if we like it more, this should be Core ~z929669 Talk 12:13, April 7, 2014 (EDT)

Dark Brotherhood Tenets Restored

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 00:10, February 26, 2014 (EST)

Techangel85 (talk) 00:36, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Essarrbee (talk) 03:39, February 28, 2014 (EST)

it provides better quality textures that improve the game without adding a plugin, so it's useful ins spite of only being relevant to a portion of the Skyrim players. Kelmych (talk) 01:48, March 1, 2014 (EST)

~z929669 Talk 12:13, April 7, 2014 (EDT)

Designs of the Nords

I think I have a bunch of screen testing some of these rugs vs something else, maybe the latest AMB Whiterun, but didn't post them yet. Will do very soon. EssArrBee (talk) 01:27, April 1, 2014 (EDT)

Votes

Has conflicts, doesn't seem to fit the Skyrim style. Looks to new and fancy. DoubleYou (talk) 00:10, February 26, 2014 (EST)

Techangel85 (talk) 00:30, February 28, 2014 (EST)

some of the recently introduced alternatives such as Saerileth's seem like a better fit to Skyrim. Kelmych (talk) 00:32, April 4, 2014 (EDT)

- Only if there is an option to install improved vanilla styles only ~z929669 Talk 12:13, April 7, 2014 (EDT)

Radiant and Unique Potions and Poisons HD

Votes

Has conflicts, would prefer more testing, not sure if the style is quite right. DoubleYou (talk) 00:10, February 26, 2014 (EST)

The vanilla game has only a single bottle for all potions and another one for all poisons (as does SLOD), and I find this immersion breaking for characters using alchemy or magic (what happens if you grab the wrong potion!). This mod adds a set of meshes and textures that provide diverse bottle shapes and colors for different potion/poison types, similar to the game improvements that Book Covers Skyrim provides for books relative to vanilla. Some don't like the saturated colors of the bottles; I like them a lot but for those who don't we should ask the author for an alternate less saturated version. It should be loaded after SLOD and needs only 3 textures hidden, and has a few simple conflicts with USKP. Kelmych (talk) 02:39, February 28, 2014 (EST)

I agree with Kelmych. The conflicts it causes would affect affect pack authors, but this is not a Core mod so that is irrelevant. The other thing it may conflict with is CFF, if kryp decides to address bottles. Essarrbee (talk) 03:39, February 28, 2014 (EST)

I also agree with Kelmych. The bottle diversity is important. I am one of those that doesn't care for the overly saturated bottles because they stand out too much and possibly even more so if we decided to add a recommended ENB into Extended. We could ask the author for permission to make a "less saturated" version or ask if he/she would be willing to make one for the users that are bothered by the saturation. Techangel85 (talk) 10:42, February 28, 2014 (EST)

~z929669 Talk 23:00, April 3, 2014 (EDT)

Realistic Instruments

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 00:10, February 26, 2014 (EST)

Techangel85 (talk) 00:37, February 28, 2014 (EST)

It's a little better than the vanilla instruments and doesn't use a plugin Kelmych (talk) 02:23, February 28, 2014 (EST)

These just look to old and musicians would never let their instruments get that bad. Essarrbee (talk) 03:39, February 28, 2014 (EST)

~z929669 Talk 23:00, April 3, 2014 (EDT)

Rens HD Shrines

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 00:10, February 26, 2014 (EST)

Techangel85 (talk) 00:38, February 28, 2014 (EST)

I don't like the current STEP choice for shrines and this one seems a lot better Kelmych (talk) 02:21, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Essarrbee (talk) 03:39, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Why isn't this core? WilliamImm (talk) 21:36, March 1, 2014 (EST)

~z929669 Talk 23:00, April 3, 2014 (EDT)

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Immersive Thunder

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 00:11, February 26, 2014 (EST)

Techangel85 (talk) 00:50, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Kelmych (talk) 02:09, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Essarrbee (talk) 03:40, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Unless/until we begin using a weather mod for Extended. ~z929669 Talk 12:32, April 7, 2014 (EDT)

Sounds of Skyrim-Dungeons

Votes

Not sure on this mod. Prefer when AOS would cover this. DoubleYou (talk) 00:11, February 26, 2014 (EST)

Even if AOS doesn't cover dungeons yet, I say remove it. Techangel85 (talk) 00:50, February 28, 2014 (EST)

I don't feel it adds enough value for all the conflicts it causes, and I expect AOS to provide a replacement. Kelmych (talk) 02:10, February 28, 2014 (EST)

~z929669 Talk 12:32, April 7, 2014 (EDT)

Thundering Shouts

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 00:11, February 26, 2014 (EST)

Techangel85 (talk) 00:50, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Kelmych (talk) 02:09, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Essarrbee (talk) 03:40, February 28, 2014 (EST)

~z929669 Talk 12:32, April 7, 2014 (EDT)

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Ars Metallica-Smithing

Votes

Prefer Complete Crafting Overhaul Remade DoubleYou (talk) 00:17, February 26, 2014 (EST)

I see this as fitting the mandate much more that any other smithing mod. Maybe just drop crafting mods and get a crafting pack going. Essarrbee (talk) 03:49, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Vanilla smithing has some noticeable gaps including how it handles faction armor and the limited number of craftable item types it handles. Ars Metallica is a reasonable smithing mod that fixes part of this, but can't be configured and needs 3 plugins. Complete Crafting Overhaul Remade has more features, better compatibility with mods that add craftable items, and has a fairly large MCM configuration menu that can change parts of what it does including making it closer to vanilla (e.g., ore smelting (Much more ore)) and adding some lore-friendly ore names. Kelmych (talk) 17:47, February 28, 2014 (EST)

We should use CCOR ~z929669 Talk 12:36, April 7, 2014 (EDT)

Bring Out Your Dead

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 00:17, February 26, 2014 (EST)

Techangel85 (talk) 01:06, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Essarrbee (talk) 03:49, February 28, 2014 (EST)

this and some other related Arthmoor mods add useful realism to Skyrim Kelmych (talk) 16:18, February 28, 2014 (EST)

~z929669 Talk 12:36, April 7, 2014 (EDT)

Convenient Horses

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 00:17, February 26, 2014 (EST)

I've never used horses in Skyrim so I tend to skip this mod in my personal installs. I understand for those that do use horse this mod is a massive improvement. Techangel85 (talk) 01:06, February 28, 2014 (EST)

I never used horses until this mod, and now I can't play without a horse. Essential for playing without fast travel. Essarrbee (talk) 03:49, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Ha! Nonsense! I just run on foot...for days...haha! Techangel85 (talk) 10:47, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Horses are an important part of Skyrim and this mod makes it a lot easier to use them Kelmych (talk) 16:15, February 28, 2014 (EST)

~z929669 Talk 12:36, April 7, 2014 (EDT)

Dual Wield Parrying

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 00:17, February 26, 2014 (EST)

Techangel85 (talk) 01:06, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Essarrbee (talk) 03:49, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Kelmych (talk) 16:19, February 28, 2014 (EST)

~z929669 Talk 12:36, April 7, 2014 (EDT)

Dynamic Fires

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 00:17, February 26, 2014 (EST)

Can take or leave it. There are bugs with this mod though with some fires going out that shouldn't (some interior fires). Techangel85 (talk) 01:06, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Essarrbee (talk) 03:49, February 28, 2014 (EST)

I don't have any strong opinions Kelmych (talk) 00:35, April 4, 2014 (EDT)

~z929669 Talk 12:36, April 7, 2014 (EDT)

Follower Trap Safety

Votes

While this fixes stupidity in followers constantly triggering the same trap, I don't think it is right to make followers immune from triggering traps. Better perhaps in a follower-related pack. DoubleYou (talk) 00:17, February 26, 2014 (EST)

I'd rather have a follower overhaul of some sort that includes this, but until then I see this mod as a fix for the terrible follower "engine" in Skyrim. Techangel85 (talk) 01:06, February 28, 2014 (EST)

If the AI in game was better I'd say no, but it is to terrible not to use this mod. Essarrbee (talk) 03:49, February 28, 2014 (EST)

the engine doesn't handle followers and traps properly, so this mod is needed as a fix Kelmych (talk) 17:49, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Agree with DY ~z929669 Talk 12:36, April 7, 2014 (EDT)

Lock Overhaul

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 00:17, February 26, 2014 (EST)

This is a more challenging and thus much better than vanilla Kelmych (talk) 17:55, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Unless there is a better one ~z929669 Talk 12:36, April 7, 2014 (EDT)

More Salt Please

Votes

Until we get a leveled list version. DoubleYou (talk) 00:17, February 26, 2014 (EST)

I think EssArrBee said he will have a list version ready for the next release so we can drop it. Techangel85 (talk) 01:06, February 28, 2014 (EST)

I'm already done adding this to the next STEP Extended Patch. It was actually super simple. Essarrbee (talk) 03:49, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Important in some recipes but not for all users; in addition Essarrbee's patch will take care of salt needs Kelmych (talk) 16:14, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Definitely, if we plan on ever using RN&D or other mods that vitalize cooking ~z929669 Talk 12:36, April 7, 2014 (EDT)

Oblivion Gates

In light of all this being lore friendly, I vote to move this to Core. No it's not in the vanilla gate; however, it should be for any familiar with Oblivion and lore. TechAngel85 (talk) 17:45, March 11, 2014 (EDT)

Votes

This is Skyrim, not Oblivion. DoubleYou (talk) 00:17, February 26, 2014 (EST)

I'm pretty sure the War of Oblivion extended to Skyrim as well, and it really wasn't that long ago in-universe. Should be kept for immersion. WilliamImm (talk) 22:24, February 27, 2014 (EST)

Although it's not important and could be dropped I have to disagree with the reasons being stated for dropping by DoubleYou. Just because this is Skryim and not Oblivion makes no sense. The gates are lore friendly and it can be debated that they are remnants from the time which Oblivion took place. The lore can be found: here, here and here. Although the story of Oblivion took place in Cyrodiil, the gates were open across all of Tamriel which Skyrim is a part of; map. One can conclude that gates would have also existed in Skyrim lands as well. So finding an Oblivion gate should not be something out of context in Skyrim. If we don't take this into account then we're saying that oblivion gates only existed in Cyrodiil which isn't what the lore says. Yes, one can debate, "wouldn't they have torn them down?". Well, if they could then why didn't they tear them down in Oblivion to prevent the Oblivion Crisis in the first place? Techangel85 (talk) 01:06, February 28, 2014 (EST)

I don't notice it enough that it becomes bothersome, but I do notice it enough that it is part of the scenery. Very nice touch. Essarrbee (talk) 03:49, February 28, 2014 (EST)

I agree with Arthmoor that these gates are a key part of TES Lore and they wouldn't have vanished completely after Oblivion. Having them in the outdoors vs. cities makes them more realistic for me Kelmych (talk) 17:54, February 28, 2014 (EST)

NOT a Core mod though, since this adds new models IIRC ~z929669 Talk 12:36, April 7, 2014 (EDT)

SM Drop Lit Torches

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 00:17, February 26, 2014 (EST)

Techangel85 (talk) 01:06, February 28, 2014 (EST)

improves realism by automatically dropping of torches before combat Kelmych (talk) 17:57, February 28, 2014 (EST)

~z929669 Talk 12:36, April 7, 2014 (EDT)

Skyrim Coin Replacer Redux

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 00:17, February 26, 2014 (EST)

Love this mod. Essarrbee (talk) 03:49, February 28, 2014 (EST)

finally a coin mod that is unconditionally better than vanilla Kelmych (talk) 18:10, February 28, 2014 (EST)

~z929669 Talk 12:36, April 7, 2014 (EDT)

Wet and Cold

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 00:17, February 26, 2014 (EST)

I love this mod. We need to instruct users how to set it up in the MCM though. Techangel85 (talk) 01:06, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Personally I think this adds a bunch of cloaks and stuff that is a bit of a stretch from vanilla. Essarrbee (talk) 03:49, February 28, 2014 (EST)

Would clocks "and stuff" not have existed in such times? I think so. Remember, this isn't Core and doesn't have to adhere to Vanilla as strictly, especially in this section. If it makes logical sense, it's fair game to be added/kept. I think the effects from this mod alone are enough for it to be kept, regardless of the items it adds (which can be turned off in MCM). Techangel85 (talk) 10:53, February 28, 2014 (EST)

adds more immersion for me, provides reasonable compatibility with other mods, and flexibility with its MCM menu Kelmych (talk) 18:00, February 28, 2014 (EST)

~z929669 Talk 12:36, April 7, 2014 (EDT)

Wet and Cold-Ashes

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 00:17, February 26, 2014 (EST)

Techangel85 (talk) 01:06, February 28, 2014 (EST)

if we have the basic Wet and Cold we should have this for consistency Kelmych (talk) 18:05, February 28, 2014 (EST)

~z929669 Talk 12:36, April 7, 2014 (EDT)

Even Better Quest Objectives

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 00:17, February 26, 2014 (EST)

this mod is a gameplay fix to allow following quests without always using the map since the vanilla quest descriptions all too often need the map and the map pointers are too specific Kelmych (talk) 18:09, February 28, 2014 (EST)

~z929669 Talk 12:36, April 7, 2014 (EDT)

The Choice is Yours

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 00:17, February 26, 2014 (EST)

Techangel85 (talk) 01:06, February 28, 2014 (EST)

helps reduce problems with starting (or not) some quests Kelmych (talk) 18:12, February 28, 2014 (EST)

~z929669 Talk 12:36, April 7, 2014 (EDT)

Thieves Guild Requirements

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 00:17, February 26, 2014 (EST)

Techangel85 (talk) 01:06, February 28, 2014 (EST)

this is an excellent mod, but is only useful for thief characters. If STEP Extended is going to include some mods that are only relevant to a portions of the users but work well and provide some fixes and improvement while remaining reasonably true to the vanilla game, it's fine with me. However, if we include this mod in STEP Extended then we should include other similar mods like ESF Companions that provide equivalent functionality for a different guild (Companions). Unfortunately there does not seem to be an equivalent mod for the Magic College. Kelmych (talk) 01:40, March 1, 2014 (EST)

~z929669 Talk 12:36, April 7, 2014 (EDT)

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Dual Sheath Redux

Votes

I might prefer this in a pack due to the complexity of the install and the stylistic choice options. DoubleYou (talk) 00:19, February 26, 2014 (EST)

This is a fix, but needs to be at the end because of the patcher. Essarrbee (talk) 03:51, February 28, 2014 (EST)

allows better immersion with weapon sheathing Kelmych (talk) 18:14, February 28, 2014 (EST)

~z929669 Talk 12:36, April 7, 2014 (EDT)

Fores New Idles in Skyrim

Votes

DoubleYou (talk) 00:19, February 26, 2014 (EST)

Essarrbee (talk) 03:51, February 28, 2014 (EST)

needed with the improved skeletons Kelmych (talk) 18:13, February 28, 2014 (EST)

~z929669 Talk 12:36, April 7, 2014 (EDT)

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Not Core Mods in STEP (Current Version)

Mod Name	Section	SourceID	SourceURL	NOTES
BOSS Userlist Manager	B	311	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/311	Accepted
ConSkrybe	B	19630	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/19630	Dropped
DDSopt	B	5755	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/5755	Accepted
Optimizer Textures	B	12801	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/12801	Dropped
Skyrim Performance Monitor	B	6491	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/6491	Accepted
TES5Edit	B	25859	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/25859	Accepted
Borderless Window	C	36177	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/36177	Dropped
Dual Sheath Redux	D	34155	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/34155	Accepted
Nitpick	D	19556	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/19556	Dropped
Realistic Ragdolls and Force	D	601	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/601	Accepted
XP32 Maximum Skeleton	D	26800	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/26800	Accepted
Blessings-Altar Descriptions	E	16887	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/16887	Dropped
Disease Descriptions	E	31202	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/31202	Accepted
Dungeon Quest Awareness	E	9720	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/9720	Dropped
Immersive HUD	E	3222	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/3222	Accepted
Interface Hard Coded Key Tweaks	E	88	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/88	Dropped
KenMOD Time On Loading Screen	E	98	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/98	Accepted
Lore-Based Loading Screens	E	21265	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/21265	Accepted
Main Menu Spinning Emblem	E	7801	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/7801	Accepted
No Boring Sleep-Wait Menu	E	12625	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/12625	Dropped
No Menu and Loading Smoke	E	7901	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/7901	Dropped
Not Another Colored Map Icon Mod	E	26822	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/26822	Dropped
Smaller Cursor	E	2317	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/2317	Accepted
AMidianBorn Caves and Mines	G	39190	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/39190	Accepted
Chimneys for Skyrim	G		https://tesalliance.org/forums/index.php?/files/file/1571-chimneys-for-skyrim/	Dropped. Replaced by Hearthfire Chimneys for Skyrim.
Footprints	G	22745	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/22745	Accepted
HiRes Legible Road Signs	G	436	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/436	Accepted
Lanterns Of Skyrim	G	18916	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/18916	Accepted Disable road lanterns.
Re-Defined Dungeons	G	3147	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/3147	Accepted
The Beauty of Skyrim-Dungeons	G	37496	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/37496	Accepted
Vibrant Auroras	G	6675	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/6675	Dropped
83Willows 101BugsHD	H	4955	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/4955	Accepted
Birds and Flocks	H	11555	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/11555	Accepted
HD Rabbits Plus	H	10625	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/10625	Dropped
Ice Wraith	H	32741	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/32741	Dropped
Improved Foot Wraps for Females	H	4473	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/4473	Accepted. Only until we find a replacer. Z suggests UNP.
PondFish and Salmon Replacer	H	38440	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/38440	Accepted
Better Circlets	I	6495	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/6495	Accepted
Elven Weapons for Silence	I	27726	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/27726	Dropped.
Animated Weapon Enchants	J	12668	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/12668	Accepted
Burn Freeze Shock Effects	J	14692	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/14692	Accepted
Deadly Spell Impacts	J	2947	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/2947	Accepted
Dual Wield Blocking Animations	J	14915	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/14915	Accepted
Enchantment Effect Replacer	J	1345	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/1345	Accepted
Enhanced Blood Textures	J	60	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/60	Accepted. Will be disabling screen blood.
Fores New Idles in Skyrim	J	11811	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/11811	Accepted
Improved Weapon Impact Effects	J	10445	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/10445	Accepted
Lightning During Thunder Storms	J	15506	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/15506	Accepted. Need to turn down strike frequency.
Rainbows	J	25666	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/25666	Accepted
Smaller Ice Spikes and Spear	J	31899	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/31899	Accepted
Shooting Stars	J	25022	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/25022	Accepted
Skyrim Performance Plus	J	6387	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/6387	Accepted
The 418th Step	K	19107	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/19107	Accepted
Better Bones	K	12085	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/12085	Not enough vote to determine.
Dark Brotherhood Tenets Restored	K	31087	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/31087	Accepted
Designs of the Nords	K	13429	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/13429	Dropped
Radiant and Unique Potions and Poisons HD	K	18799	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/18799	Accepted. Need a less saturated version.
Realistic Instruments	K	8027	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/8027	Accepted
Immersive Thunder	L	1702	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/1702	Accepted
Sounds of Skyrim-Dungeons	L	8601	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/8601	Dropped in favor of AOS.
Thundering Shouts	L	3799	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/3799	Accepted
Ars Metallica-Smithing	M	16084	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/16084	Dropped in favor of CCO.
Bring Out Your Dead	M	14178	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/14178	Accepted
Convenient Horses	M	14950	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/14950	Accepted
Dual Wield Parrying	M	9247	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/9247	Accepted
Dynamic Fires	M	17969	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/17969	Accepted
Follower Trap Safety	M	11609	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/11609	Accepted
Lantern Caretakers	M	30506	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/30506	Dropped
Lock Overhaul	M	29979	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/29979	Accepted
More Salt Please	M	13321	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/13321	Dropped as it's now integrated into the Patches
Oblivion Gates	M	22369	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/22369	Accepted
SM Drop Lit Torches	M	10394	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/10394	Accepted
Skyrim Coin Replacer Redux	M	48195	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/48195	Accepted
Wet and Cold	M	27563	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/27563	Accepted
Wet and Cold-Ashes	M	31968	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/31968	Accepted
Even Better Quest Objectives	M	32695	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/32695	Accepted
The Choice is Yours	M	26359	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/26359	Accepted
Thieves Guild Requirements	M	14157	https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/14157	Accepted

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Dropped Mods

• Optimizer Textures REMOVED - DDSopt is the only texture-opt utility that STEP should support.
• Borderless Window REMOVED - This functionality is within ENBoost.

• Nitpick REMOVED - Not needed with Mod Organizer, even possibly conflicting with Mod Organizer.

• Blessings-Altar Descriptions REMOVED - Adds information the player should find out on their own. Read books, explore, ... remember. Just look at the active effect!
• Dungeon Quest Awareness REMOVED - Adds information the player should find out on their own.
• Interface Hard Coded Key Tweaks REMOVED - Not necessary.
• No Boring Sleep-Wait Menu REMOVED - Better in a Utilities pack. Only useful for cleaning saves.
• No Menu and Loading Smoke REMOVED - There is no advantage to this mod anymore since ENB doesn't mess it up anymore. To remove it now would be a personal preference.
• Not Another Colored Map Icon Mod REMOVED - Not necessary and not worth it until it is 100% compatible with SkyUI ... less headache.

• Chimneys for Skyrim REMOVED - Removed in favor of Hearthfire Chimneys for Skyrim.
• Vibrant Auroras REMOVED - There is nothing wrong with vanilla auroras. The ENB you use may change the value of this mod.

• HD Rabbits Plus REMOVED - The HD rabbits are not sufficiently better to warrant a plugin spot.
• Ice Wraith REMOVED - The vanilla textures fit into the game better.

• Elven Weapons for Silence REMOVED - They don't fit Cabal's golden Elven Armor, as these were intended for the black and gold variation of Cabal's.

• Designs of the Nords REMOVED - Has conflicts, doesn't seem to fit the Skyrim style. Looks to new and fancy.

• Sounds of Skyrim-Dungeons REMOVED - Removed in favor of Audio Overhaul for Skyrim version 2 changes for STEP 2.2.8.

• Ars Metallica-Smithing REMOVED - Removed in favor of Complete Crafting Overhaul Remade.
• Lantern Caretakers REMOVED - Caretakers are not lore friendly.
• More Salt Please REMOVED - Replaced by leveled list version in STEP Patches

Undecided

Conskrybe
Better Bones

Modified

Lanterns Of Skyrim Disable road lanterns
Enchantment Effect Replacer Disable screen blood
Lightning During Thunder Storms Need to turn down strike frequency.