Bouncing around in opening scene

[7hr08ik]

So yeah, starting a new play through.

 

As soon as the bethesda loga and skyrim crud goes, the cart at the very begining of the game is bouncing around all over the place. Sometimes the cart is ok but then the horse tries to walk through the cliff on the left hand side.

 

Whats causing this?

 

I have checked all my mods for compatibility issues. I am upto date on all of my mods. I have run FNIS, very last of all, after bashed patches and SUM.

 

Before i begin the LONG LONG LONG arduous journey of turning mods on one by one...

 

Does anyone know of any issues that can cause this?

Is there something im missing?

Are there any know mods that cause this issue?

 

Here is my latest mod list

 

 

+-- OVERIDES

+-- Merged Patches

+-- PATCHES

+-- Skill Interface Re-Texture - SkyRe Patch

+-- Forgotten Magic Redone - SkyRe Patch

+-- Dwarven Sniper - SkyRe Patch

+-- Daedric Wrath - Sniper Bow - SkyRe Patch

+-- Ethereal Elven Overhaul Patches - Populated Towns Villages

+-- Ethereal Elven Overhaul Patches - Populated Lands Roads Paths

+-- Ethereal Elven Overhaul Patches - Inconsequential NPCs

+-- Ethereal Elven Overhaul Patches - Dragonborn

+-- Ethereal Elven Overhaul Patches - Dawnguard

+-- Ethereal Elven Overhaul Patches - Vanilla

------------##----- PATCHES -----##-----------

+-- Werewolf Perks Expanded

+-- Werewolf Mastery - Moonlight Tales Compatible Version

+-- Moonlight Tales - Werewolf and Werebear Overhaul

+-- The Dance of Death - A Killmove Mod

+-- Predator Vision

+-- Lock Overhaul

+-- Immersive First Person View

+-- Dynamic Difficulty

+-- Civil War Overhaul

+-- AutoSave Manager

+-- Achieve That

------------##----- HOW THE GAME IS PLAYED -----##-----------

-# Travel #

+Trade and Barter

-# Economy #

+-- Fantasy Soundtrack Project - Combat Music

+-- Fantasy Soundtrack Project - Non-Replacer

+-- Smooth blades draw and sheath

+-- Heart of the Beast - Werewolf Sound and Texture Overhaul

+-- Better Bards

+Audio Overhaul for Skyrim - Patches - Smoothe Draw and Sheath

+Audio Overhaul for Skyrim - Patches - Realistic Water Two

+Audio Overhaul for Skyrim - Patches - Improved Weapon Impact

+Audio Overhaul for Skyrim - Patches - Enhanced Blood Textures

+Audio Overhaul for Skyrim - Patches - Dragon Combat Overhaul

+Audio Overhaul for Skyrim - Patches - Civil War Overhaul

+Audio Overhaul for Skyrim - Patches - CoT

+Audio Overhaul for Skyrim - Patches - DG + DB

+Audio Overhaul for Skyrim

-# General Symphony #

------------##----- SYMPHONY OF SKYRIM -----##-----------

+-- SUM - SkyProc Unified Manager

+-- Pre ReProccer IA7 UU aMidianSS COC Patch

+-- SkyRe Compatibility and ReProccer Patches

+-- All-in-One SkyRe ReProccer Patches by qotsafan

+-- Balbor and Steelsouls SkyRe ReProccer Project

+-- ReProccer - Automated SkyRe patch generator

+NPC Enchantments Fix

+Dual Sheath Redux - Unique Uniques

+Dual Sheath Redux - Better Shaped Weapons

+Dual Sheath Redux - SkyRe

+Dual Sheath Redux - Immersive Weapons

+Dual Sheath Redux - Immersive Armours

+Dual Sheath Redux - Arise The Black Sacrament

+Dual Sheath Redux - Skyrim Immersive Creatures

+Dual Sheath Redux - aMidianBorn Book of Silence

+Dual Sheath Redux - Sword on Back

+Dual Sheath Redux

-# Dynamic Patches #

+Weapons and Armor Fixes - COMPLETE

+Clothing and Clutter Fixes

+-- Complete Crafting Overhaul Remade - Skrim Redone Patch

+Complete Crafting Overhaul Remade - Skyrim Immersive Creatures

+Complete Crafting Overhaul Remade - Winter Is Coming

+Complete Crafting Overhaul Remade - Cloaks of Skyrim

+Complete Crafting Overhaul Remade - aMidianBorn Book of Silence

+Complete Crafting Overhaul Remade

+-- Unofficial Skyrim Redone Patch

+-- T3nd0s Skyrim Redone

-# Recipe and Stat Changers #

+Wearable Lanterns

+-- Torcs

+-- Elemental Arrows

-# New Items - Misc #

+-- Velvet Robes and Cloaks

+Winter Is Coming - Cloaks of Skyrim Patch

+Winter Is Coming - Cloaks

+-- Nerevars - Cloaks of Skyrim Ultra HD v2

+Cloaks of Skyrim - DawnGuard

+Cloaks of Skyrim

-# New Items - Cloaks #

+-- Unique Uniques

+-- Ultimate Spinning Arrows - Immersive Weapons Patch

+-- Ultimate Spinning Arrows

+-- Better Shaped Weapons - aMB Skyforge

+-- Better Shaped Weapons

+-- Closer Quivers and Longer Arrows

+-- Dawnguard Crossbow Explosive Bolts Visualized

+-- Crossbow Basic Collection 1 1 2 EN LL

+-- Dwarven Sniper - Crosshair

+-- Dwarven Sniper

+-- Nordic Sight-Bow - Red Reticle

+-- Nordic Sight-Bow

+-- Daedric Wrath - Sniper Bow

+-- Sniper Sight Dragonbone Bow

+-- Scoped Glass Bow

+-- JaySuS_Swords_V14 - Sharlikrans Compatibility Patches

+-- Immersive Weapons

-# New Items - Weapons #

+-- Immersive Armors

+-- Bandolier - Dawnguard

+-- Bandolier - Bags and Pouches

+-- Arise - Chapter 1 - The Black Sacrament

-# New Items - Armour #

+-- Sexy Vanilla Female Armor for UNP and SevenBase with BBP

+Lore Friendly and SemiSkimpy Armors - UNPB-BBP

+TroubleMakers Clothing Replacers UNPB - BBPx

+UNP Female Armors

+UNP Dragonborn Armors

+UNP Dawnguard Armors

+-- Dawnguard Vampire Armors Retexture - 1.0.0 REPLACER VERSION

+-- Daedric Armor and weapon Improvement

-# Armour #

+-- Not Really HD Mask of Clavicus Vile

+-- Nightingale Prime HD

+-- Elven Weapons for Silence

+-- EotW Mage Equipment Overhaul - Long Mage Robes - Hearthfire

+-- EotW Mage Equipment Overhaul - Long Mage Robes

+-- EcthelionOtW Dawnguard Weapons

+-- EotW Mage Equipment Overhaul - College Mage Robes

+-- EcthelionOtW Mage Equipment Overhaul

+aMidianBorn stormcloak officer armour

+aMidianBorn Steel Armor

+aMidianBorn Scaled Armor

+aMidianBorn Hide of the Savior

+aMidianBorn Hide and Studded Hide

+aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Complete Crafting Files

+aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Skyforge Hotfix

+aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Bonemould Hotfix

+aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Weapons

+aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Unique

+aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Dragonborn

+aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Creatures

+aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Armors

+-- Virtus Imperii - Imperial Gear Re-mastered

-# General Armoury #

------------##----- ARMOURY OF SKYRIM -----##-----------

+When Vampires Attack

+Run For Your Lives

+-- Populated Skyrim Prisons Cells

+-- Populated Dungeons Caves Ruins

+-- Populated Lands Roads Paths

+-- Populated Cities Towns Villages

+-- Populated Forts Towers Places

+-- My Home Is Your Home - a mod for followers

+-- Immersive Patrols

+-- Inconsequential NPCs

+-- Konahrik's Accoutrements - Dragonborn Add-On - SkyRe HOTFIX

+-- Konahrik's Accoutrements - Dragonborn Add-On

+-- Konahrik's Accoutrements - Dragon Priest Armory

+-- Konahriks Privilege

+-- Dragon Priests - Enhanced

+-- Cute Lydia

-# NPCs + Behavior #

+XP32 Maximum Skeleton -XPMS

+ã€WWLMG】Greybeard Meditation - Dynamic

+-- Simple Sit Idle Animation - Standing Idle

+-- Simple Sit Idle Animation

+Realistic Ragdolls and Force

+-- No Spinning Death Animation

+-- New Animation for magic cast v0-8 - NMM installer

+-- YY Anim Replacer - Natural Jump

+Immersive Animations

+Fores New Idles in Skyrim - Creature Pack

+Fores New Idles in Skyrim - FNIS

+-- Female Facial Animation

+-- Faster GET UP STAND UP animation vanilla friendly

+-- Dual Wield Parrying

+ã€DSAMG】Dragon Soul Absorb More Glorious

+Belt-Fastened Quivers - Anim only

+-- Animated Dwemer Lift Load Doors for Dragonborn DLC

+ArgonianSneakTailTwistFix

-# Animation and Skeleton #

+-- XCE Warpaint + Dirt

+UNP BLESSED BODY- UNPB REDUX PROJECT

+Mature skin body and face Normal Maps for UNP - v1.1.0

+Mature skin body and face texture for UNP - v1.1.0

+FAR - Forgotten Argonian Roots

+-- Ethereal Elven Overhaul

+-- Better Beast Races

+Better males - Body - Underwear

+Better males - Face

-# Skin and Body #

+The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition v10.0

+The Eyes Of Beauty - NPC's v6.1.0

+The Eyes Of Beauty - Dawnguard v7.1.0

+The Eyes Of Beauty - Main v9.0

-# Eyes #

+Superior Lore-Friendly Hair - HD textures

+Realistic Hair

+Brows

+Beards

+-- Apachii SkyHair - Natural Retexture

+-- Apachii SkyHair

-# Beards, Brows and Hair #

------------##----- PEOPLE OF SKYRIM -----##-----------

+Skyrim Immersive Creatures

-# New creatures and Encounters #

+-- Dawnguard Rewritten - Arvak - Convenient Alsvid Patch

+-- Dawnguard Rewritten - Arvak

+Convenient Horses

-# Companions and Mounts #

+-- Dragon Combat Overhaul

+-- Deadly Dragons

+-- Bellyaches HD Dragon Replacer Pack

-# General Creatures #

------------##----- CREATURES OF SKYRIM -----##-----------

+-- Ultimate HD Fire Effects

+-- Smart Cast

+-- Forgotten Magic Redone

+Enhanced Blood Textures - Skyrim Immersive Creatures

+Enhanced Blood Textures

+-- Dragonborn Ascendant - Dawnguard

+-- Dragonborn Ascendant - Dragonborn

+-- Dragonborn Ascendant

+Alternate Summoning Visuals

-# Effects #

+The Paarthurnax Dilemma

-# Modified and Expanded Quests #

+-- aMidianBorn Imperial Forts - Round Mossy Rocks

+-- aMidianBorn Imperial Forts

+WEBS extended

+Vivid Landscapes - All in One - Moss Rocks Patch

+Vivid Landscapes - All in One - ELFX Patch

+Vivid Landscapes - All in One - Classic Grey Mountains

+Vivid Landscapes - All in One

+-- Vibrant Auroras

+-- Skyrim Realistic Texture Overhaul Dragonborn - Architecture

-Skyrim Flora Overhaul - LOD Basic - 1024

-Skyrim Flora Overhaul - LOD Basic - 512

+Skyrim Flora Overhaul - Dragonborn v0.2

+Skyrim Flora Overhaul - Basic

+SkyFalls and SkyMills - Animated Distant Waterfalls and WindMills

+-- Immersive Icicles

+Realistic Water Two - ENB Patch

+Realistic Water Two

+Realistic Smoke and Embers

+Real Ice

+-- Realistic Mushrooms + Stew + Dragonborn

+Moss Rocks - Dragonborn DLC Addon

+Moss Rocks

+-- Lorkhans Vision - Night Sky by Doubloonz

+HQLODs - Normals Original

+HQLODs - Meshes Med-Res

+HQ3DMap

+HD Stone Quarry and Clay Deposit 2K

+HD Enhanced Terrain

+A Quality World Map

+Enhanced Distant Terrain 2 - Dragonborn

+Enhanced Distant Terrain 2

+Dramatic Clouds

+-- aMidianBorn Solstheim Landscape

+-- aMidianBorn Landscape

+Ash Rocks - Sulfur Rocks

+Ash Rocks

+aMidianBorn Caves

-# Landscape and Environment #

+-- Sweet Mother HD

+SCRR - Legendary Edition

+-- Septim HD

+Roadsigns Redone

+Rens HD Shrines

+-- Radiant and Unique Potions Poisons and BOOZE v2 NON GLOW

+-- MASS - Monuments Altars Shrines Statues Replacers - Ysgramor

+-- MASS - Monuments Altars Shrines Statues Replacers - Vaermina

+-- MASS - Monuments Altars Shrines Statues Replacers - Talos

+-- MASS - Monuments Altars Shrines Statues Replacers - Mara

+-- MASS - Monuments Altars Shrines Statues Replacers - Hircine

+-- Lockpicking Interface Retex

+-- Lanterns Of Skyrim - Candle Lanterns - CoT + E ENB

+-- Lanterns of Skyrim - AIO - Dawnguard

+-- Lanterns of Skyrim - All In One

+-- Jester Outfit ReTexture -Standalone and Craftable-

+-- Jeclredured - Standing Stones

+-- Jeclredured - Spell Tomes

+Improved Gemstone Dragon Claws

+-- Immersive Soulgems

+-- Immersive Settlements - Solsteim

+-- Immersive Settlements

+HQ Paper

+Hold Border Banners

+-- Gems of Skyrim

+-- Enhanced HD Dragon Bones 2k v1.6a

+-- Elysium Estate - Dragonborn Addon

+-- Elysium Estate - Dawnguard Addon

+-- Elysium Estate - Hearthfire Addon

+-- Elysium Estate

+-- Dragon Glyphs HD - Smooth

+-- Detailed Rugs

+-- Designs of The Nords - Banners

+-- Bumpy Inn and Shop Signs

+Book Covers Skyrim - Compatibility

+Book Covers Skyrim

+-- Beautiful Whiterun

-# Clutter and Misc #

+-- Glowing Ore Veins

+Project Parallax - ELFX Patch

+Project Parallax - SRO

+Enhanced Lights and FX - SMIM Meshes

+Enhanced Lights and FX - Dragonborn

+Enhanced Lights and FX - Dawnguard

+Enhanced Lights and FX

+Skyrim Realistic Overhaul - v1.6 1k + 2k Opt

-SMIM - 1.62 Update

-SMIM

+SMIM - 1.61 Update

+SMIM - 1.57 - Custom

+No stretching Full

+Better Dynamic Snow

-# General World Improvement #

+ENB - Subsurface Scattering Patch

+ENB - Particle Patch

-# ENB Preset Files #

+-- Solstheim Climate Overhaul - CoT Patch

+-- Solstheim Climate Overhaul for Dragonborn

+-- Lightning During Thunderstorms - CoT Patch

+-- Lightning during Thunder Storms

+-- Supreme Storms for Climates of Tamriel

+-- Expanded Snow Systems - CoT Version

+Falskaar - Climates of Tamriel patch

+Climates of Tamriel - Weather Patch

+Climates Of Tamriel - V3-1

-# Weather #

------------##----- WORLD OF SKYRIM -----##-----------

+Face to face conversation

+Extensible Follower Framework v4-0-0 Beta 6

+-- Even Better Quest Objectives

+-- Dungeon Quest Awareness

+-- BLESSINGS - Altar Descriptions

+Better Dialogue Controls

-# Dialogue and Follower Control #

+-- Resplendent Racials Package

+RaceMenu

+CharGen Extension - EEO Patch - v2.1.0

+CharGen Extension - Morphs

+CharGen Extension

-# Character Creation #

+-- Main Menu wallpaper replacer HD - with randomizer

+Smaller Cursor

+Skill Interface Re-Texture - Dawnguard - Werewolf Interface Patch

+Skill Interface Re-Texture - Dawnguard Retexture

+Skill Interface Re-Texture - Main

+SkyUI

+-- Minimal HUD for Skyrim

+Immersive HUD - iHUD

+A Matter of Time - A HUD clock widget

-# General UI #

------------##----- USER INTERFACE -----##-----------

+Stable uGridsToLoad

+Smart Souls

+Skyrim Project Optimization

+-- Skyrim Performance PLUS

+-- Skyrim -Community- Uncapper

+Point The Way

+-- OneTweak

+-- No Boring Sleep-Wait Menu

+-- Multiple Lycanthropy Regift v1

+-- Move it Dammit for NPC Companions and Followers

+-- Improved Weapon Impact Effects

+Horns Are Forever

+Follower Trap Safety

+-- Dead Body Collision Fix - With Improved Fireball Spell

+-- Auto Unequip Helmet

+-- Auto Unequip Ammo

+Argonian Decapitation Fix

-# Other Fixes #

+Unofficial High Resolution Patch

+Unofficial Dragonborn Patch

+Unofficial Hearthfire Patch

+Unofficial Dawnguard Patch

+Unofficial Skyrim Patch

-# Unofficial Patches #

+-- Moonpath to Elsweyr - seq FIX

+-- Moonpath to Elsweyr

+-- Island Fast Travel

+Wyrmstooth

+Falskaar - Dawnguard

+Falskaar

-# World Expansions #

+HRDLC3 Textures Opt

+HRDLC2 Textures Opt

+HRDLC1 Textures Opt

+Dragonborn Textures Opt

+Hearthfires Textures Opt

+Dawnguard Textures Opt

+Vanilla Textures Opt

+Skyrim Script Extender

+Cleaned Vanilla ESMs

 

 

I have been using SR as a base for my mod list and tweaking it to my liking.

Im running Mod Organizer (NOT the latest beta)

 

I know this is  a big mod list, but i have had it running awesomely in the past. But with all the major updates to mods, I decided to start a fresh playthrough.

 

Newly added mods are just alternate textures packs, Complete Crafting Remade, Clock Widget, and some newer SkyRe patches.

 

As i say i've had my game running great for ages, but with the new Memory patches/SKSE version and all the updates, decided it was time to start from scratch. Im thinking that maybe IA v7 or CCOr could be causing this, but not directly. Possibly a conflict with another mod?

[CJ2311]

I was just testing around in the vanilla game earlier today (and I mean totally vanilla, as in just redownloaded the game and with the DLC deactivated) and the cart gloriously flipped around, started shaking, then continued the ride backwards (The horse and cart were facing towards Hadvar and backing up at normal speed). Had to restart another game to get it to work.

 

All I'm trying to say is that it's perfectly possible that it could just be the game derping as it likes to do even without mods... Maybe the game was running at higher than 60 FPS? Havok likes to cause havoc in carts when that happens.

[7hr08ik]

I've got my FPS limited to 60 with ENB, might try lowering it to 55

 

I have been having this issue for about a week now. I've tried thousands of combinations and remade my SUM patch so many times im seeing it in my sleep.

 

Im possitive that its a conflict with one o my mods, but i really REALLY dont like the process of add one, try again, add one, try again, add one, try again, add one, try again, add one, try again, add one, try again, add one, try again, add one, try again, add one, try again.................

 

Im hoping someone out there has had this issue or knows of a reason why it happens. Wil try lowering the FPS limit though. Report back in 2 mins

[7hr08ik]

Nope, that didnt work.

 

Tried taking out the reproccer and all its patches too, but no luck.

 

Just aswell MO has installation date on it....Im gonna try taking out all the mods installed/updated since it last worked and work from their. I have a sneaking suspicion its IA, but i haven't got a clue how it could be

[7hr08ik]

OK IM SO DAM CONFUSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I fixed it....

 

Not by removing a mod

Not from the full re-install i have just done

Not by restoring the 60GB backup of my Mod Organizer folder (Thats 3 weeks out of date and missing all the new mods i chose)

Not by tweaking the ini files

Not by restoring Vannilla ini files

 

But....

 

By deleting the entire Skyrim folder in My Documents and letting the Launcher rebuild it.

 

This makes no sense. Because im not using the save files....Im starting fresh. The ini files are being used by Mod Organiser from its own profiles directory so its not those. The only things left are some log files, and the render info file.....It seems that somehow, the render info was causing my havok gen, to cause total havok ?!?!?!?!

 

Im glad this is sorted now, but if someone out there could explain to me how the hell this has fixed it, I would gladly give you a beer

[Octopuss]

That's pretty obvious: unspecified garbage in config files. Too bad you didn't save them, people could analyze them :)

[7hr08ik]

But there was nothing in there....

 

Saves (Empty)

Logs (Papyrus)

SKSE (logs)

bash patch logs

Render Info

Ini's

 

Out of all of those the only ones actually being used by the game, is the render info file. All the others are either made by the game, or not used. And i though render info was just created by the launcher and then used as refference.

 

EDIT:

I do wonder now just howe many of my previous fits of rage quit and restart could have been fixed this way

[Octopuss]

Ini's

 

That's what I meant. Those are the configuration files.

[torminater]

Vsync is active now in your ini, maybe enb limiter didn't work...

[ManyHardSoNeeded]

I have the same issue - the character spawns outside the cart and carts can't get through gates. I will try your method and say if it helps.

[7hr08ik]

After updating to the latest skse, and fixing a few issues with that. I began having this probkem again.

 

Sometimes it would bounce and sometimes it wouldnt. Still using EWI's ini files, and E ENB. But after some messing around, i found that by turning off ImmersiveFP and Face to Face it went away....5 starts and not a single bounce....figured out that ImmFP and face to Face dont play well together, and decided to leave out F2F for now. See how that goes.

[CatWhisperer]

I had this same problem too.  I thought it was because of Immersive Armors.  During the opening cart scene, Immersive Armors would be updating the armor in the game. It seemed like as soon as Ralof and Ulfric’s armor changed, the cart began flipping around. Sometimes the cart would be sideways when it got to Helgen and no one could get out and the game was unable to proceed.

 

I loaded the Alternate Start Live Another Life mod and let Immersive Armors and other mods update while waiting in the cell with the statute of Mara. As soon as everything finished, I picked the start choice that I got caught sneaking across the border. Ralof and Ulfric's armor was already changed and the opening cart scene worked perfectly.

[Glanzer]

I loaded the Alternate Start Live Another Life mod and let Immersive Armors and other mods update while waiting in the cell with the statute of Mara...

That's what I've done too (wait at statue for all mods to load and register their MCMs), though I don't choose that beginning.

[Espiem]

So I've been having this issue lately, and I have no idea why. I've just started the STEP install process and so far have only gotten to the first benchmark, so all I've done is install the Utilities and updated the ini's through MO. Other than that its a completely vanilla version of Skyrim, in fact I just formatted my PC yesterday and reinstalled Steam and Skyrim. Any help why this is happening and how to fix it at this point would be appreciated.

 

The only other thing I thought was a little odd is after installing Wrye Bash I do have a bashed patch showing up in my list of mods in MO despite having not used it for anything yet.

[GrantSP]

This issue is most often caused by the game engine bugging out when too many scripts are trying to initialise at once or because your monitor, and game are using a refresh rate above 60FPS and the 'Havok' engine is struggling to keep up.

 

Either temporarily disable scripted mods until you have passed the 'Helgen tutorial' or use an alternate start mod or limit your game engine to 59FPS. All those methods are either explained here or there are links to show what you need to do.

 

As for the 'Bashed Patch, 0.esp'. Nothing to worry about. When you install Wrye Bash it places an empty version in your mod list ready to use when you want to create your own. You just select that file in WB and 'Update'.

[Espiem]

Alright, I've been trying to fix this for the last few hours and no luck. As far as disabling script heavy mods, I have no mods running at all. The only thing that's on is the Skyrim game, the DLC's, and the high res texture pack, all of which I can't modify in MO anyway. From what I've read it looks like my PC running the game at higher than 60 FPS is the issue, but I can't seem to slow it down. All of the things I've seen on how to enable vsync aren't working. I've put the iPresentInterval=1 into my skyrimprefs.ini, still high frame rates. I've tried forcing vsync through the NVIDIA software, but as soon as I exit out of the program it for some reason seems to default back to off despite me saving the settings. I've tried forcing it through nvidiainspector, but again no luck I'm still getting high frame rates. Anyone know whats going on here? How do I enable vsync and why are none of these things working?