Crashes south, east, and southeast of Whiterun

[A_Dim_Mismatch]

In the vicinity spanning just west of Pelagia Farm, northeast to Battle-Born Farm and southeast to the pathway to Whiterun just beyond the crossing north of Riverwood, I've been experiencing pretty frequent crashes. No ini tweaks, bugfixes, etc. (even a clean Skyrim installation) that I've yet implemented appear to address this problem. Oddly, the crashes don't appear to occur anywhere else in-game. Resource-heavy interiors and exteriors elsewhere in the game have been stable outside of the usual FPS drops.

 

Using information from the Crash Fixes forums on the Nexus, I put together a dump file which pointed to an ID of 0x000aef0c. Looking up the aef0c ID in TES5Edit gives me a tree from Skyrim.esm. I'm not sure how this could be the cause of the crash. I can include the contents of the dump file for more information, if needed. This particular error is one that I have seen other people report, but no research on the matter points to anything in particular being the cause, or anything being a solution.

 

 

Below is my load order, per LOOT:

 

 

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  0  0 Skyrim.esm

  1  1 Update.esm

  2  2 Dawnguard.esm

  3  3 HearthFires.esm

  4  4 Dragonborn.esm

  5  5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp

  6  6 ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

  7  7 moonpath.esm

  8  8 ApachiiHair.esm

  9  9 ApachiiHairFemales.esm

 10  a ApachiiHairMales.esm

 11  b ETaC - RESOURCES.esm

 12  c HighResTexturePack01.esp

 13  d HighResTexturePack02.esp

 14  e HighResTexturePack03.esp

 15  f Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp

 16 10 Cutting Room Floor.esp

 17 11 SkyUI.esp

 18 12 When Vampires Attack.esp

 19 13 FNIS.esp

 20 14 RaceMenu.esp

 21 15 RaceMenuPlugin.esp

 22 16 dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Medium.esp

 23 17 XPMSE.esp

 24 18 MainMenu.esp

 25 19 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp

 26 1a ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp

 27 1b EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

 28 1c ELFX - Exteriors.esp

 29 1d TreaclemanMoonpathPatch.esp

 30 1e CoT-WeatherPatch.esp

 31 1f CoT-WeatherPatch_DB.esp

 32 20 CoT-WeatherPatch_NL2.esp

 33 21 CoT-WeatherPatch_Snow-40.esp

 34 22 TrueStorms.esp

 35 23 TrueStorms-ClimatesOfTamriel.esp

 36 24 Skyrim Particle Patch for ENB - Flame Atronach Fix.esp

 37 25 Prometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.esp

 38 26 Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp

 39 27 SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp

 40 28 SkyFalls Dragonborn Small waterfalls.esp

 41 29 RealisticWaterTwo.esp

 42 2a ELFXEnhancer.esp

 43 2b ETaC - Falkreath.esp

 44 2c ETaC - Dawnstar.esp

 45 2d Immersive Orc Strongholds.esp

 46 2e ETaC - Morthal.esp

 47 2f ETaC - Rorikstead.esp

 48 30 ETaC - Dragon Bridge.esp

 49 31 RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp

 50 32 FNISspells.esp

 51 33 ETaC - Kynesgrove.esp

 52 34 SFO - Expanded Diversity.esp

 53 35 ETaC - Ivarstead.esp

 54 36 ETaC - Winterhold.esp

 55 37 ETaC - Darkwater Crossing.esp

 56 38 ETaC - Karthwasten.esp

 57 39 Immersive Stonehills.esp

 58 3a ETaC - Falkreath ELFX Patch.esp

 59 3b RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp

 60 3c Immersive Shors Stone.esp

 61 3d Run For Your Lives.esp

 62 3e SMIM-Merged-All.esp

 63 3f UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp

 64 40 moonpath_questdata.esp

 65 41 ELFX - Moonpath.esp

 66 42 Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

 67 43 ETaC - Stonehills CRF Patch.esp

 68 44 ETaC - Dawnstar NoSnow Patch.esp

 69 45 ETaC - Morthal ELFX Patch.esp

 70 46 ETaC - Morthal NoSnow Patch.esp

 71 47 ETaC - Dragon Bridge South.esp

 72 48 ETaC - Dawnstar ELFX Patch.esp

 73 49 ETaC - Dragon Bridge ELFX Patch.esp

 74 4a ETaC - Winterhold NoSnow Patch.esp

 75 4b ETaC - Rorikstead ELFX Patch.esp

 76 4c ETaC - Stonehills NoSnow Patch.esp

 77 4d ETaC - Ivarstead ELFX Patch.esp

 78 4e ETaC - Winterhold ELFX Patch.esp

 79 4f ETaC - Shors Stone ELFX Patch.esp

 80 50 ETaC - Stonehills ELFX Patch.esp

 81 51 ETaC - Karthwasten ELFX Patch.esp

 82 52 ETaC - Kynesgrove ELFX Patch.esp

 83 53 ETaC - Darkwater Crossing ELFX Patch.esp

 84 54 Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp

 85 55 Improved Dragon Shouts - Dawnguard.esp

 86 56 Improved Dragon Shouts.esp

 87 57 Improved Dragon Shouts - Dragonborn.esp

 88 58 Convenient Horses.esp

 89 59 360WalkandRunPlus-RunBackwardSpeedAdjust.esp

 90 5a VioLens.esp

 91 5b KS Hairdo's.esp

 92 5c LovelyHairstylesCE.esp

 93 5d Beards.esp

 94 5e aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp

 95 5f RND_ETaC-Patch.esp

 96 60 RND_CRF-Patch.esp

 97 61 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

 98 62 dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp

 99 63 dD-Reduced Wound Size.esp

100 64 UFO - Dragonborn AddOn.esp

101 65 SFO - Dragonborn.esp

102 66 Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp

103 67 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

104 68 ETaC - Rorikstead AS-LAL Patch.esp

 

 

 

Below are Skyrim.ini and SkyrimPrefs.ini, respectively:

 

 

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[Archive]
bInvalidateOlderFiles=0
SInvalidationFile=ArchiveInvalidation.txt
sResourceArchiveList=Skyrim - Misc.bsa, Skyrim - Shaders.bsa, Skyrim - Textures.bsa, Skyrim - Interface.bsa, Skyrim - Animations.bsa, Skyrim - Meshes.bsa, Skyrim - Sounds.bsa
sResourceArchiveList2=Skyrim - Voices.bsa, Skyrim - VoicesExtra.bsa
 
[Audio]
fMenuModeFadeInTime=1.0
fMenuModeFadeOutTime=3.0
fMusicDuckingSeconds=6.0
fMusicUnDuckingSeconds=8.0
 
[Camera]
fMouseWheelZoomSpeed=0.80
 
[Combat]
f1PArrowTiltUpAngle=2
f1PBoltTiltUpAngle=1
f3PArrowTiltUpAngle=2.5
fMagnetismLookingMult=0.0
fMagnetismStrafeHeadingMult=0.0
 
[Controls]
fMouseHeadingSensitivityMax=0.0800
fMouseHeadingXScale=0.0200
fMouseHeadingYScale=0.8500
 
[Display]
iPresentinterval=1
bAllowScreenshot=1
fLightLODMaxStartFade=3900
fLightLODRange=3600
fShadowLODMaxStartFade=1000.0
fSpecularLODMaxStartFade=2000.0
fSunShadowUpdateTime=1
fSunUpdateThreshold=0.5
 
[General]
sLanguage=ENGLISH
uExterior Cell Buffer=36
uGridsToLoad=5
 
[GeneralWarnings]
SGeneralMasterMismatchWarning=One or more plugins could not find the correct versions of the master files they depend on. Errors may occur during load or game play. Check the "Warnings.txt" file for more information.
 
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bAllowCreateGrass=1
bAllowLoadGrass=0
fGrassFadeRange=6000
iMaxGrassTypesPerTexure=7
iMinGrassSize=40
 
[LOD]
fDistanceMultiplier=1.00
 
[Papyrus]
bEnableLogging=0
bEnableTrace=0
bLoadDebugInformation=0
fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=500.0
 
[Water]
bReflectLODLand=1
bReflectLODObjects=1
bReflectLODTrees=1
bReflectSky=1

[AudioMenu]
fAudioMasterVolume=1.0000
fVal0=0.8000
fVal1=1.0000
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fVal5=1.0000
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uID0=1007612
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fCloudLevel0Distance=16384.0000
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[Controls]
bAlwaysRunByDefault=1
bGamePadRumble=1
bInvertYValues=0
bUseKinect=0
fGamepadHeadingSensitivity=1.0000
fMouseHeadingSensitivity=0.0300
 
[Decals]
uMaxDecals=1000
 
[Display]
bDeferredShadows=1
bDrawLandShadows=1
bDrawShadows=1
bFloatPointRenderTarget=1
bFull Screen=1
bFXAAEnabled=0
bMainZPrepass=0
bShadowMaskZPrepass=0
bShadowsOnGrass=1
bTransparencyMultisampling=0
bTreesReceiveShadows=1
fDecalLOD1=1000.0000
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fGamma=1.2400
fInteriorShadowDistance=3000.0000
fLeafAnimDampenDistEnd=4600.0000
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fLightLODStartFade=400.0000
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fMeshLODFadePercentDefault=1.2000
fMeshLODLevel1FadeDist=10000000.0000
fMeshLODLevel1FadeTreeDistance=2844.0000
fMeshLODLevel2FadeDist=10000000.0000
fMeshLODLevel2FadeTreeDistance=2048.0000
fShadowBiasScale=0.1500
fShadowDistance=8000.0000
fShadowLODStartFade=200.0000
fSpecularLODStartFade=2000.0000
fTreesMidLODSwitchDist=10000000.0000
iBlurDeferredShadowMask=3
iMaxAnisotropy=1
iMaxDecalsPerFrame=100
iMaxSkinDecalsPerFrame=25
iMultiSample=0
iScreenShotIndex=2
iShadowFilter=3
iShadowMapResolution=4096
iShadowMaskQuarter=4
iShadowMode=3
iSize H=1080
iSize W=1920
iTexMipMapMinimum=0
iTexMipMapSkip=0
iWaterMultiSamples=0
sD3DDevice="NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970"
 
[GamePlay]
bShowFloatingQuestMarkers=1
bShowQuestMarkers=1
iDifficulty=2
 
[General]
bEnableStoryManagerLogging=0
iStoryManagerLoggingEvent=-1
 
[Grass]
b30GrassVS=1
bAllowCreateGrass=1
bAllowLoadGrass=0
fGrassMaxStartFadeDistance=6000.0000
fGrassMinStartFadeDistance=0.0000
fGrassStartFadeDistance=3600.0002
 
[Imagespace]
bDoDepthOfField=1
 
[Interface]
bDialogueSubtitles=0
bGeneralSubtitles=0
bShowCompass=1
fMouseCursorSpeed=1.0000
 
[Launcher]
bEnableFileSelection=1
bShowAllResolutions=1
uLastAspectRatio=3
 
[LOD]
fLODFadeOutMultActors=15.0000
fLODFadeOutMultItems=15.0000
fLODFadeOutMultObjects=15.0000
fLODFadeOutMultSkyCell=1.0000
 
[MAIN]
bCrosshairEnabled=1
bGamepadEnable=1
bSaveOnPause=1
bSaveOnRest=1
bSaveOnTravel=1
bSaveOnWait=1
fHUDOpacity=1.0000
fSkyCellRefFadeDistance=150000.0000
 
[Particles]
iMaxDesired=750
 
[SaveGame]
fAutosaveEveryXMins=15.0000
 
[TerrainManager]
bShowLODInEditor=0
fBlockLevel0Distance=35000.0000
fBlockLevel1Distance=70000.0000
fBlockMaximumDistance=250000.0000
fSplitDistanceMult=1.5000
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[Trees]
bRenderSkinnedTrees=1
uiMaxSkinnedTreesToRender=20
 
[Water]
bUseWaterDepth=1
bUseWaterDisplacements=1
bUseWaterReflections=1
bUseWaterRefractions=1
iWaterReflectHeight=512
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Below is some Skyrim Performance Monitor information:

 

 

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Please let me know if there's any other useful information I can provide. This has been going on for over a month now, and the crash is frequent enough that, in spite of my game otherwise being almost perfectly stable and crash-free, the game is practically unplayable since I don't use fast travel and the area around Whiterun is my single most frequent destination on the map. As mentioned earlier, I have yet to see any particular cause/solution to this crash, and if this information (and subsequent information) can be of use in helping others resolve the issue, all the better.

Edited April 16, 2017 by A_Dim_Mismatch

[A_Dim_Mismatch]

  On 4/28/2017 at 12:24 PM, TechAngel85 said:

Have you opened up xEdit to look for conflicts?

 

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To what end? I did try to resolve conflicts with a merged patch before but that didn't result in any noticeable improvement. I can try it again though.

[TechAngel85]

  On 4/28/2017 at 3:29 PM, A_Dim_Mismatch said:

To what end? I did try to resolve conflicts with a merged patch before but that didn't result in any noticeable improvement. I can try it again though.

I mean manually looking for conflicts. No just running a script for merging. Quickest way is to load your entire plugin list and then right-click and choose Apply filter for conflict losers. That will give you a quick overview of all the conflicts.

[A_Dim_Mismatch]

  On 4/28/2017 at 3:36 PM, TechAngel85 said:

I mean manually looking for conflicts. No just running a script for merging. Quickest way is to load your entire plugin list and then right-click and choose Apply filter for conflict losers. That will give you a quick overview of all the conflicts.

Alright, so I've opened TESedit with that load order I posted the screenshot of earlier. There are some conflicts, but nothing that immediately jumps out at me. It's not as if I'm running any poorly-documented mod with this setup so nothing stands out as being troublesome in this context. Oddly, the logs from Crash Fixes almost all point to the same exact reference ID; 000AEF0C, TreeAspen05. But that's from Skyrim.esm and it's not involved in any conflicts.

Edited April 28, 2017 by A_Dim_Mismatch

[TechAngel85]

Which mod is moving Aspen trees to the Whiterun area?

 

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[A_Dim_Mismatch]

  On 4/28/2017 at 6:59 PM, TechAngel85 said:

Which mod is moving Aspen trees to the Whiterun area?

 

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That I don't know. I thought it might result from SFO's Summer Edition (since that places aspen trees in various exterior cells), but even when I start a new game with that deactivated in the left pane, I still get the same crash that points to the same aspen tree at coordinates 43,-25. It doesn't look like anything outside of Skyrim.esm has anything to do with it.

Edited April 28, 2017 by A_Dim_Mismatch

[TechAngel85]

Have you been able to pinpoint that tree in xEdit?

 

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[A_Dim_Mismatch]

  On 4/28/2017 at 10:44 PM, TechAngel85 said:

Have you been able to pinpoint that tree in xEdit?

 

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Yes, though I couldn't tell you if something was wrong with it looking at it in xEdit. When I open up the game and

cow Tamriel 43,-25

and then move to the three using its reference ID, it looks like an ordinary aspen tree located next to a rocky outcropping in between Riften's outside wall (near the east gate) and the road that runs out of Riften toward Dayspring Canyon and the border with Morrowind. Didn't see anything unusual about it there, either.

[TechAngel85]

There's nothing else using that referenced tree? Just Skyrim.esm? If it's just Skyrim.esm, it'd be interesting to know what Crash Fixes reports if you delete the reference. Before doing that, if you're not running Bug Fixes you should install it and test.

 

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[A_Dim_Mismatch]

  On 4/28/2017 at 11:37 PM, TechAngel85 said:

There's nothing else using that referenced tree? Just Skyrim.esm? If it's just Skyrim.esm, it'd be interesting to know what Crash Fixes reports if you delete the reference. Before doing that, if you're not running Bug Fixes you should install it and test.

 

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I do run Bug Fixes, yeah. Had to get that one as soon as I saw it dealt with the Lip Sync bug. :P

 

How do you recommend I delete the reference?

[TechAngel85]

Just remove it using xEdit and save. Test. Then if the crash happens, see what Crash Fixes is saying now. You can restore it by verifying local cache via Steam.

 

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[A_Dim_Mismatch]

  On 4/29/2017 at 12:51 AM, TechAngel85 said:

Just remove it using xEdit and save. Test. Then if the crash happens, see what Crash Fixes is saying now. You can restore it by verifying local cache via Steam.

 

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How do I go about that? Right now, if I open Skyrim.esm in xEdit, I don't have an option to remove or edit any records.

[TechAngel85]

  On 4/29/2017 at 1:26 AM, A_Dim_Mismatch said:

How do I go about that? Right now, if I open Skyrim.esm in xEdit, I don't have an option to remove or edit any records.

Sorry, I was unaware that you couldn't do that.

 

Currently your best option to resolve this is to do as Greg suggested since you know it's working in vanilla. Just enabled a group of say...5 mods at a time, sort with LOOT, and test. If there is no crash, then enable another group. Keep doing this until you get the crash. Then you'll know it's most likely to do with one of the last group of mods you enabled. Disable those mods and re-enable one at a time until the crash is produced. The last mod enabled is the culprit. It's either an asset from the mod or a conflict with the plugin.

[A_Dim_Mismatch]

  On 4/29/2017 at 3:21 AM, TechAngel85 said:

Sorry, I was unaware that you couldn't do that.

 

Currently your best option to resolve this is to do as Greg suggested since you know it's working in vanilla. Just enabled a group of say...5 mods at a time, sort with LOOT, and test. If there is no crash, then enable another group. Keep doing this until you get the crash. Then you'll know it's most likely to do with one of the last group of mods you enabled. Disable those mods and re-enable one at a time until the crash is produced. The last mod enabled is the culprit. It's either an asset from the mod or a conflict with the plugin.

Unfortunately, I've tested the game with all of the mods in the previous load order screenshot disabled via the left pane. The crashes don't appear to be caused by USLEEP or the high-res patch, and it doesn't look like they're caused by SKSE, or FNIS, or any other mods. I can't find any evidence that any mod is directly responsible for the crashes' occurrence.

[TechAngel85]

If you've done all the above as instructed, then unfortunately there's nothing else I can suggest as a solution other than starting over and doing things slowly while testing along the way.

 

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[A_Dim_Mismatch]

  On 4/29/2017 at 4:22 AM, TechAngel85 said:

If you've done all the above as instructed, then unfortunately there's nothing else I can suggest as a solution other than starting over and doing things slowly while testing along the way.

 

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What about if I created an esp that loaded after the esm but removed the tree from the worldspace? If I load the game with such an esp active, the game couldn't make a crash refer to a nonexistent world object, could it?