Mods - Dirty Edits

[Besidilo]

As per title, post here any mods that you have found to edit the master files (which are therefore prone to conflicts and crashes).

 

 

How to check for deleted records:

 

Easiest way is to Right Click on the mod in Wrye Bash, go to he Mod Cleaning option, and select "Scan for UDRs". Another way is to open up the Creation Kit, Select "File" then "Data", locate the mod you want to check, and then click the details button. Deleted records will have a "D" next to them.

[Besidilo]

NerniesSolitudeandVillageExpansion.esp:

 

UDR: 25

 

 

• Skyrim.esm: 013D0D - REFR attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 0097DD 'IvarsteadExteriorEdge'), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (19, -18)

• Skyrim.esm: 013D25 - REFR attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 0097DD 'IvarsteadExteriorEdge'), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (19, -18)

• Skyrim.esm: 0380A0 - REFR attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 037EE7 'SolitudeArch'), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 037EDF 'SolitudeWorld') at (-15, 25)

• Skyrim.esm: 047372 - NAVM attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 009329 'DragonBridgeExterior02'), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (-26, 20)

• Skyrim.esm: 094222 - REFR attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 0097DD 'IvarsteadExteriorEdge'), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (19, -18)

• Skyrim.esm: 09423A - REFR attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 0097DD 'IvarsteadExteriorEdge'), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (19, -18)

• Skyrim.esm: 09E197 - REFR attached to Interior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 013A5C 'IvarsteadVilemyrInn')• Skyrim.esm: 09E198 - REFR attached to Interior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 013A5C 'IvarsteadVilemyrInn')

• Skyrim.esm: 09E19F - REFR attached to Interior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 013A5C 'IvarsteadVilemyrInn')• Skyrim.esm: 09E41B - REFR attached to Interior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 013A5C 'IvarsteadVilemyrInn')

• Skyrim.esm: 09E41D - REFR attached to Interior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 013A5C 'IvarsteadVilemyrInn')• Skyrim.esm: 09E41E - REFR attached to Interior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 013A5C 'IvarsteadVilemyrInn')

• Skyrim.esm: 09E41F - REFR attached to Interior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 013A5C 'IvarsteadVilemyrInn')• Skyrim.esm: 0B11C6 - REFR attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 0092BF 'KatlasFarmExterior'), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (-19, 23)

• Skyrim.esm: 0B11C7 - REFR attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 0092BF 'KatlasFarmExterior'), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (-19, 23)

• Skyrim.esm: 0CE672 - REFR attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 0092BF 'KatlasFarmExterior'), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (-19, 23)

• Skyrim.esm: 0DD219 - REFR attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 037EE7 'SolitudeArch'), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 037EDF 'SolitudeWorld') at (-15, 25)

• Skyrim.esm: 0E0A11 - REFR attached to Interior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 013870 'RoriksteadFrostfruitInn')• Skyrim.esm: 0E0A19 - REFR attached to Interior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 013870 'RoriksteadFrostfruitInn')• Skyrim.esm: 0E0A93 - REFR attached to Interior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 013870 'RoriksteadFrostfruitInn')

• Skyrim.esm: 0E53BF - REFR attached to Interior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 013A7C 'DragonBridgeFourShieldsTavern')• Skyrim.esm: 0E53C1 - REFR attached to Interior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 013A7C 'DragonBridgeFourShieldsTavern')

• Skyrim.esm: 0E5437 - REFR attached to Interior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 013A7C 'DragonBridgeFourShieldsTavern')• Skyrim.esm: 0E5440 - REFR attached to Interior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 013A7C 'DragonBridgeFourShieldsTavern')

• Skyrim.esm: 0E9CF9 - REFR attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 0092BE), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (-18, 23)

 

 

 

NerniesSolitudeExpansion.esp:

 

UDR: 4

 

 

• Skyrim.esm: 0B11C6 - REFR attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 0092BF 'KatlasFarmExterior'), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (-19, 23)

• Skyrim.esm: 0B11C7 - REFR attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 0092BF 'KatlasFarmExterior'), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (-19, 23)

• Skyrim.esm: 0CE672 - REFR attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 0092BF 'KatlasFarmExterior'), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (-19, 23)

• Skyrim.esm: 0E9CF9 - REFR attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 0092BE), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (-18, 23)

 

 

[Besidilo]

UniqueTaverns.esp:

 

UDR: 4

 

 

• Skyrim.esm: 064B0C - NAVM attached to Interior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 013A5D 'NightgateInn')

• Skyrim.esm: 064B0D - NAVM attached to Interior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 013A5D 'NightgateInn')

• Skyrim.esm: 0E5AB3 - NAVM attached to Interior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 0138BE 'OldHroldanInn')

• Skyrim.esm: 108AB7 - NAVM attached to Interior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 013A7C 'DragonBridgeFourShieldsTavern')

 

 

[Besidilo]

Solitude A City Of Trade.esp:

 

UDR: 23

 

 

• Skyrim.esm: 02D2DC - REFR attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 009279 'SolitudeDocksEntrance'), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (-15, 25)

• Skyrim.esm: 03BE7A - NAVM attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 00929B 'SolitudeDocks02'), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (-16, 24)

• Skyrim.esm: 047A34 - REFR attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 0091D1), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (-12, 30)

• Skyrim.esm: 064BFD - REFR attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 037EE7 'SolitudeArch'), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 037EDF 'SolitudeWorld') at (-15, 25)

• Skyrim.esm: 06E8ED - NAVM attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 00929A), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (-15, 24)

• Skyrim.esm: 06E96C - NAVM attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 009299), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (-14, 24)

• Skyrim.esm: 07B912 - REFR attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 0092BC 'SolitudeDocks01'), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (-16, 23)

• Skyrim.esm: 0B0140 - REFR attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 00929B 'SolitudeDocks02'), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (-16, 24)

• Skyrim.esm: 0E9CAC - REFR attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 00929A), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (-15, 24)

• Skyrim.esm: 0E9CAD - REFR attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 00929A), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (-15, 24)

• Skyrim.esm: 0E9CB1 - REFR attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 009279 'SolitudeDocksEntrance'), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (-15, 25)

• Skyrim.esm: 0E9CC0 - REFR attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 009279 'SolitudeDocksEntrance'), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (-15, 25)

• Skyrim.esm: 0E9CC1 - REFR attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 00929B 'SolitudeDocks02'), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (-16, 24)

• Skyrim.esm: 0EF775 - NAVM attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 0092BB), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (-15, 23)

• Skyrim.esm: 0F096A - NAVM attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 0092BC 'SolitudeDocks01'), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (-16, 23)

• Skyrim.esm: 0F096B - NAVM attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 0092BC 'SolitudeDocks01'), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (-16, 23)

• Skyrim.esm: 0F096C - NAVM attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 0092BC 'SolitudeDocks01'), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (-16, 23)

• Skyrim.esm: 0F096E - NAVM attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 0092BC 'SolitudeDocks01'), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (-16, 23)

• Skyrim.esm: 0F096F - NAVM attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 0092BC 'SolitudeDocks01'), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (-16, 23)

• Skyrim.esm: 0F5D96 - NAVM attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 0092BC 'SolitudeDocks01'), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (-16, 23)

• Skyrim.esm: 0F932F - REFR attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 0092DD), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (-16, 22)

• Skyrim.esm: 100D9F - REFR attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 037EE9 'SolitudeOrigin'), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 037EDF 'SolitudeWorld') at (-16, 25)

• Skyrim.esm: 10589E - NAVM attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 00929B 'SolitudeDocks02'), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (-16, 24)

 

 

[Besidilo]

ETaC - Villages Complete.esp:

 

UDR: 2652

 

I won't even bother listing them all...

[Besidilo]

Birds.esp:

 

UDR: 2

 

 

• Skyrim.esm: 0C880A - REFR attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 00BD74), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (43, -29)

• Skyrim.esm: 10C337 - REFR attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 00981B), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (19, -20)

 

 

[frihyland]

Thanks for this. Would you mind putting the longer lists (more than five lines) in a spoiler and listing the full name of the mod these come from, so we can set an example for others to post here :D

[Besidilo]

The full name of each mod is in the posts titles and I will put the lists in spoiler tags first thing tomorrow.

 

For some reason I had to add spaces between the lines manually, since the default editor was screwing the lists up, so it takes a little work.

[frihyland]

The thread title is a bit misleading as well, a dirty edit and a UDR are two completely different (somewhat opposite) problems. Dirty edit adds valid vanilla data to a mod and a UDR deletes valid vanilla data from a mod.

 

Technically a UDR is quite a bit more complicated and a dirty edit is more vague, but won't get into that here.  I'd need to do a ton of research and create some solid definitions and examples, good project for the testing guide.

 

Suffice to say vanilla data (from skyrim.esm, update.esm, and dawnguard.esm) should not be added or subtracted from a mod in any way shape or form. It may be changed or disabled if it is properly mastered and documented, but that seems to be a rare occurrence.

[Besidilo]

The thread title is a bit misleading as well, a dirty edit and a UDR are two completely different (somewhat opposite) problems. Dirty edit adds valid vanilla data to a mod and a UDR deletes valid vanilla data from a mod.

 

Technically a UDR is quite a bit more complicated and a dirty edit is more vague, but won't get into that here.  I'd need to do a ton of research and create some solid definitions and examples, good project for the testing guide.

 

Suffice to say vanilla data (from skyrim.esm, update.esm, and dawnguard.esm) should not be added or subtracted from a mod in any way shape or form. It may be changed or disabled if it is properly mastered and documented, but that seems to be a rare occurrence.

It may well be, that's what WB calls them anyway.

 

UDRs (at least those reported by WB) seem to be either missing references, edited nav meshes or deleted records (objects). At least that's how I understand it.

[Besidilo]

missjennabee's response to my concerns about her mod:

 

@ Besidilo: The majority of the WyreBash and TESVEdit errors related to deleted objects. 99.9% of the objects deleted were benign in nature (cups, plates, etc.) but I have already committed myself to disabling them instead. So THAT is an issue that will be fixed, as soon as I can get around to it. In the meantime, it really shouldn't cause too many problems. None of the important references were removed, it's highly unlikely you would be using another mod that would be dependent on tankard #2304982048.

 

As for the navmesh... I really did not just go around deleting navmesh willy nilly. I realize attempting to argue the point based on what Arthmoor is saying is probably moot. Areas of the navmesh WERE rebuilt. I put houses on top of it which people should not rightly be walking through. It would have been impossible to re-path the whole thing without make any adjustments. There are no areas in which the navmesh is non-existent. Perhaps there is a better way to do this than to restructure it, but unfortunately if there is I do not know it.

Thoughts?

[frihyland]

Well at this point she would need to start the mod over from scratch, there is simply no fixing navmesh (you have to do it right the first time) and with the number of deletes its pretty pointless to try and find and repair them all anyway.

 

If she uses the old version just as a template and recreates it from scratch with Open Cities support I'd use it in a second, that is a likelihood about as high as me winning the lotto.

[Besidilo]

Well at this point she would need to start the mod over from scratch, there is simply no fixing navmesh (you have to do it right the first time) and with the number of deletes its pretty pointless to try and find and repair them all anyway.

 

If she uses the old version just as a template and recreates it from scratch with Open Cities support I'd use it in a second, that is a likelihood about as high as me winning the lotto.

Oh boy.

 

 

More Dynamic Shadows turns out clean in WB, by the way. Gonna test it now, see if the lights "pop up" as reported by some users here.

[Neovalen]

Dogsofskyrim.esp:

 

 

UDR: 2

Skyrim.esm: 0E2999 - REFR attached to Interior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 04A376 'WhiterunDragonsreachBasement')

Skyrim.esm: 0E299A - REFR attached to Interior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 04A376 'WhiterunDragonsreachBasement')

 

 

[Neovalen]

Immersive Patrols.esp:

 

 

UDR: 15

• Skyrim.esm: 0528F8 - REFR attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 000D74), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (0, 0)

• Skyrim.esm: 052915 - REFR attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 000D74), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (0, 0)

• Skyrim.esm: 0529AE - REFR attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 000D74), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (0, 0)

• Skyrim.esm: 0529C2 - REFR attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 000D74), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (0, 0)

• Skyrim.esm: 0529D9 - REFR attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 000D74), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (0, 0)

• Skyrim.esm: 095777 - REFR attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 000D74), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (0, 0)

• Skyrim.esm: 095872 - REFR attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 000D74), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (0, 0)

• Skyrim.esm: 095A19 - REFR attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 000D74), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (0, 0)

• Skyrim.esm: 0EE882 - ACHR attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 009859 'MilitaryCampRiftImperial'), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (19, -22)

• Skyrim.esm: 0EE883 - ACHR attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 009859 'MilitaryCampRiftImperial'), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (19, -22)

• Skyrim.esm: 1015C6 - REFR attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 00928C 'MilitaryCampPaleImperial'), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (-1, 24)

• Skyrim.esm: 1015C7 - REFR attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 00928C 'MilitaryCampPaleImperial'), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (-1, 24)

• Skyrim.esm: 107C7D - ACHR attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 009147), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (31, 3)

• Skyrim.esm: 10E2B5 - ACHR attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 009806 'MilitaryCampFalkreathSons'), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (9, -19)

• Skyrim.esm: 10E2B8 - ACHR attached to Exterior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 009806 'MilitaryCampFalkreathSons'), attached to WRLD (Skyrim.esm: 00003C 'Tamriel') at (9, -19)

 

 

[Neovalen]

Immersive Brigands.esp:

 

 

UDR: 1

• Skyrim.esm: 03759C - REFR attached to Interior CELL (Skyrim.esm: 0371DE 'BleakFallsBarrow01')