Helmet in characted creation

[Octopuss]

Anyone ever had iron horned helmed visible during characted creation? It has happened for the 2nd time to me, and I just can't figure out what could be the cause. It's definitely not caused by Racemenu, disabling it makes no difference.

So much weird stuff happening to me!

[rootsrat]

How did you start your game? What mods are you using? What is your load order? 

Those posting guidelines that you are required to accept BEFORE posting here are there for a reason you know...

[Octopuss]

I saw that. I thought this was so specific problem it might be well known or something.

I also didn't think anyone would be interested in reading through 200 plugins and mods...

[rootsrat]

And you have still not attached the requested. Don't expect much help then I guess...

[Octopuss]

Yeah keep the minuses going... I was just explaining.

[redirishlord]

I have encountered the same issue, my character has a complete iron armor set on start. The "problem" being I can't rid myself of the iron helmet during character creation (tried console commands but the helmet is still visible in Race Menu / Character Creation despite being "removed").

I'll post my load order below under spoiler tab ...

 

[spoiler=mod (esm/p) order]Skyrim.esmUpdate.esm (Cleaned per TES5Edit)Unoffical Skyrim Patch.esmDawnguard.esm (Cleaned per TES5Edit)Unoffical Dawnguard Patch.esmHearthfires.esm (Cleaned per TES5Edit)Unoffical Hearthfires Patch.esmDragonborn.esm (Cleaned per TES5Edit)Unoffical Dragonborn Patch.esmApachiiHair.esmSkyrim Project Optimization - No homes / Full version.esmAemer's Refuge.esmGrytewake.esmMoonpath.esmTKchildren.esmWeapons & Armor Fixes RemadeClothing & Clutter FixesENB Snow FXBetter Dynamic SnowADSAOSRemove Interior Fog V2 FullCutting Room FloorAsh RocksChesko Wearable LanternsCooking ExpandedDead body collisionDual Sheath ReduxDungeon Quest AwarenessExhaustionMoonpath TPMoss RocksOblivion Black Soul Gem CreationORM ArvakRabbits PlusRadiant & Unique Potions & BoozeReal CloudsSkyrim Floral OverhaulSkyrim Improved Puddles DG HF DBSkyrim Toy StorySulfur Rocks* Traps Make NoiseWet & ColdFootprintsRaceMenuRaceMenu PluginRaceMenu OverlaysSkyUIiHUDBlack Sacrament ArmorBosmer ArmorCloaks No Imperial1nivWIC Cloaks No GuardsCraft and purchase bolts and crossbowsDwemer Goggles & Scouter* ebony mail lightElemental StavesExplosive Bolts VisualizedGladiator Armorimp helmimp helm impimp helm dawnimp guard helmPrince & PauperHeavy ArmoryComplete Crafting Overhaul RemadeDeadly DragonsAemers RefugeAgent of Righteous Mightlp bardsLP Bards AndunielbhabhilonImmersive College of WinterholdConan Hyborian AgeDruids Den ReduxGildergreen RegrownGrytewakeHearthfire Multi KidHearthfire Multi Kid Last NameHebrock Der Schatten von Meresis - EVhigh hrothgar overhaulInconsequential NPCsMoonpath Quest DataNightingale HallOBISOBISDBBandit PatrolsSword of SigdanThe Paarthurnax DilemmatreehouseUnderstone Keep repairedWindhelm LighthouseSkyrim Coin ReplacerAethEbonyCrownReplacerDistant Detail HFDiverse PriestsDynamic Firesebonyblade 1handedGlorious GrassGuard Dialog OverhaulWAF GDO patchHeadtrackingParalyzeSFO expanded diversityConvienient HorsesdD Enhanced Blood MaindD Dragonborn Dawnguard EBT patchSoul Gems DifferThe Choice is YoursThieves Guild RequirementsaMidianborn Skyforge WeaponsWeapons & Armor Fixes ambSkyforge patchNausicas TweakerWhiterun Alive PianoOblivion Gates v3 without markersUnique GrassesDawn of WindhelmEL&FXEL&FX ExteriorsEL&FX MoonpathEL&FX not BreezehomeEL&FX DGEL&FX DBELE Interior LightingELE DG Interior LightingELE HF Interior LightingELE DB Interior LightingDVA Dynamic Vamoire AppearanceBetter VampiresVL no AoE DrainTales of LycanthropyESF CompanionsWerewolf MasteryBSF EffectsDeadly Spell ImpactsFNIS spellsEncjanting AwakenedACE Realistic FightingDeadly CombatDeadly Combat Giants AI fixDual wield parrying SKSEThe Dance of Death Ultimate EditionACE BYOGACE SpeechACE Archery * overwritten with ACE Archery dawnguard patchACE Archery DragonbornStealth Skills Rebalanced CompleteACE ArmorACE MagicACE MeleeACE SmithingACE SynergyEnchanting Awakened SSR patchPouncerBeardsBrowsRace Menu Ovelay Compilation UNP3DNPCBrynjolf & Vex FollowersInigoViconiaSlightly Reduced Distance NPC GreetingsBabette ReplacerESF AelaFOL AndunielGMO Hirelings Housecarls MaidensGMO Hirelings Housecarls Maidens HFGMO Guild Members OverhaulMrissiNadinaEMCompViljaSkyrimEMViljaInSolsteimAddOnHearthfireMoveKidsFixNon-essential ChildrenAmazing Follower TweaksJenassa Makeover by 83WillowsargonianraptordD Realistic Ragdoll Force RealisticDigitigrade Khajiit & Argonian RaptorCharGen MorphsRacial Power to Lesser PowerSPT Consistent Older PeopleEthereal Elven OverhaulEEO MorphsRW2RW2 Legendary* AFT iNPC fixCWI EL&FX patchCWI ApachiiSkyHair patchHearthfire MultiKid PNP patchInconsequential PNP patchSSR ACE Armor patchAOS GDO patchAOS WAF patchcalyps bosmerCAPBAC for CCO* CCO WAF True Weapons PatchDawn of RiftenHearthfire ChimneysImmersive StablesOpen ContainerRealistic Weapon PositionsSkyfalls + Skymills + DG + DBSCM Smarter Combat MusicWet & Cold HolidaysArrow Duration60Equipping Overhaulchild skeleton fixTK Children VTK Children DBTK Children HFPNP TK ChildrenAnska EnhancedFCO Follower Commentary OverhaulHeimskr ForeverNazeem Reloadedchfsh Player VoicesetsTreacleman Moonpath PatchMrissi New LokImmersive NPC in the dark

patch: Animation fixes

patch: AOS patches

patch: Book of Forging

patch: Consistency

patch: Fixes

patch: Mass Insanity

patch: Signage

patch: Sounds merged

patch: UNPB collection

patch: Weather merged

CWI DG DB patch

TK Children + 3DNPC* bashed patchASIS DependencyASISDeadly Combat ASIS patchDual Sheath Redux Patch

 

 

[spoiler=patch: Animation fixes]Animated Weapon Enchants, Dawnguard Rune Weapon FX replacer, Improved Weapon FX, No Spinning Death Animation, Physics Impact Damage.

 

 

[spoiler=patch AOS patches]AOS patches; ADS, DGDB, DSI, EBT, RW2, USKP, Wet & Cold.

 

 

[spoiler=patch: Book of Forging]AMB Glass Variants, Differently Ebony, Dragonbone Ebonsteel, Dragonbone Ebonsteel - Replacer, Skyforged Shields, Skyforged Weapons, Sniper Bow Pack.

 

 

[spoiler=patch: Consistency]Appropriately Attired Jarls, Consistent Vignar Gray-mane, Diverse Priests Consistent Older People patch, Run for your lives, Ulvhild - Nord housecarl, When vampires attack.

 

 

[spoiler=Fixes merged]Blessings - Altar Descriptions, Clams Drop Pearls, Cooking Expanded DB, Cooking Expanded HF, Disease Descriptions, Disease Descriptions DB, Disease Descriptions DG, Fast Travel Speed Mult, Gourd Ingredient, Height Adjusted Races DB, Height Adjusted Races DG, Height Adjusted Races Morrowind Lore, Height Adjusted Races True Giants, More Salt, More Salt DB, Trade & Barter.

 

 

[spoiler=patch: Mass Insanity]Insanity's Chrysamere, Insanity's Empire Longswords, Insanity's Shields, Insanity's Sorrow, Insanity's Umbra Sword, Lore Weapon Expansion, Lore Weapon Expansion - Daedric Crescent, Lore Weapon Expansion - Goldbrand, Third Era - Dwemer, Unique Uniques.

 

 

[spoiler=patch: Signage]Hold Border Banners, Lanterns of Skyrim, Lore-based Loading Screens, Pilgrims Delight, Point the Way.

 

 

[spoiler=patch: Sounds merged]Dragon Shout with Voice, Improved Horse Step Sounds, Thundering Shouts.

 

 

[spoiler=patch: UNPB collection]Bandolier, Bandolier DG, Black Sacrament Armor, Bouncy BBB&S, Gilded Doublet, Forsworn - Troublemaker, Imperial Investigator, Lady of Death, Lustmord Vampire Armor, Mashup, New Vampire Chains Cuirass, Nightshade Armor, Scarlet Dawn Armor, Troublemakers Tavern Clothes, Troublemakers Allow Amulet Ring fix, West Wind Assault Armor.

 

 

[spoiler=patch: Weather merged]Footprints - ash, mintyLightning, Rainbows, Random Thunder, Real Rain Extended, Shooting Stars, Splash of Rain, Wet & Cold - Ashes.

 

 

... I'm sure one of these mods is "gifting" me the armor, but ye gods that's a lot of trial and error to sort out. If someone has encountered this before, please post the mod in question, if not I'll eventually post it myself once I figure it out (I'm not going to continue my new play through until I do).

 

tl;dr

I've got the bug & I'm working on it, save me time if you can, don't worry about it otherwise :-)

 

edit: load order added, had to update it to new play through.

Edited April 8, 2014 by redirishlord

[Neovalen]

I had this problem when trying to install stealth skills rebalanced and never figured out why... granted it was a long while ago.

 

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[kryptopyr]

Yep, I've had this bug reported with Stealth Skills Rebalanced.  I've never been able to identify any reason SSR should be causing this problem.  I have experienced the issue myself, both with and without SSR installed.  I have also started new characters with SSR installed without having the iron armor appear on my character, so I suspect it's some kind of weird interaction between mods and not something directly caused by SSR.  Would love to figure it out, though.

[redirishlord]

Interesting, and thank you both, I'm just starting a new run so I'll do some trial & error to try & pin it down.

 

edit: @Neovalen, re- problem with SSR, were you using ACE at the time? or perhaps Deadly Combat?

Edited April 8, 2014 by redirishlord

[Neovalen]

I've not used those.

 

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[redirishlord]

Well the issue is removed with the absence of ASIS. Not sure of the exact "conflict" (if addition of iron armor is a "conflict"), possibly SSR + ASIS?

 

While I would like to use further trial & error to discover the exact combination that causes this, my load order (see spoiler above) is feeling like a house of cards & I really don't want to tinker with it much more. I'm going to make the three characters I had in mind, run them through the usual Helgen bit, make durable saves after & add SSR/EA patch/ASIS back and go from there.

 

Hopefully this bit of research helps the next to have the issue & maybe they contribute their 2 sepitms worth and we eventually define the perfect mod combo for free iron armor.

Edited April 10, 2014 by redirishlord

[blattgeist]

Digging out this old topic to throw my 5 cents in. I just had this exact same thing happening to me. A full set of iron armor+helmet during char creation (Live another Life Mod).

 

So.. what I did to test which mods might be at fault I started removing the last 2 mods that I installed.. which were "Combat Caster" and "Dragon Souls Relinquishment". After removing the latter one the helmet was gone. Then I enabled it again and let it be sorted by BOSS. The load order looked just like before I disabled it. Curiously now the helmet at char creation was gone.. with exactly the same setting where it appeared before.

 

Something fishy is going on here. I'm glad that glitch only happens very rarely.

Edited June 16, 2014 by blattgeist

[Aiyen]

Well it is still one of the more annoying bugs.. but at least console unequip seems to fix it.. if not then I just use char gen in the helgen keep instead. Such a minor thing only at the start. 

 

Yes a bit immersion breaking... but really I have spent so many  hours trying to find the reason for this that I just got tried of it.. if it happens easy solutions exist.. that does not involve looking at more tes5edit tables! 

[Octopuss]

For me it was caused by Stealth Skills Rebalanced. Temporarily disabling the mod during character creation fixed it.

[kryptopyr]

I think Aiyen has the right idea.  It's probably easiest to just wait until you enter Helgen keep.  However, I suspect that this problem could probably be solved by editing the default outfit for the Player (of course that means editing the Player record, which may or may not be worth whatever potential mod conflicts that might cause).  The player character's default outfit is actually a full set of iron armor.  The prisoner clothes are given to the player via a quest alias in MQ101.I've not been able to find a correlation between this bug and any mods that edit either the Player or MQ101, but the problem has to rest in how those two records are getting implemented in the game.  I know that the quest alias is getting filled because it also controls the player walking to the chopping block, but for whatever reason either the alias inventory is not getting set properly or is getting overwritten and reverting to the actor's default outfit.I wonder if having a bunch of mods all starting up at once and trying to simultaneously fill a bunch of different aliases with the player character might cause this issue.  There are a LOT of mods that create player-filled aliases.  Player aliases are suppose to help prevent conflicts when making edits to the player; they're also the best way to add scripts that are intended to trigger off of certain events, such as loading the game (for this reason, every mod with an MCM menu has a player alias).  But this means that there are a ton of mods that are all starting up at the beginning of the game and force-filling their aliases with the exact same actor.

[Octopuss]

When I tried to test this some weeks ago, it was happening even if SSR was the only active mod, so...