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CTD in SSE When Looting -- Need help to diagnose




I am posting some images along with mod list and plug-in list so this doesn't seem another whiny thread about CTD, no details, wah-wah, fix my game with magic. Okay, so that aside, in my limited spare time after several weeks of conflict resolving (you can see several posts from me in the xEdit area) and testing , this challenge reared its head after finally sitting down to start an actual play-through this afternoon (crap). I'm at a bit of a loss. I experience seemingly random CTD's when looting bodies. I have a vanilla test file at level 11 well into the game I use to test mods as I add them, and a new save game just inside Helgen (the very beginning of the game I tried to start today). When looting "all" or looting items one-by-one really fast, the game is constantly CTD. Below is my modlist and plug-in list. I thought about perhaps ditching some of the game-play & script mods until getting past the Helgen opening, but when I could reproduce the same behavior on a vanilla save well into the game from a container too, I thought I must be dealing with a different problem than just intensive script load bottle-necking the game. In testing this didn't happen with the level 11 character, but now it's happening sporadically; however, it is consistent and immediate with the brand new save in Helgen.





-LeanWolfs Better-Shaped Weapons 2.0.11 (NO DragonBling)
+LeanWolfs BSW DragonBling Gemling Standalone
+LeanWolfs Better-Shaped Weapons v2.0.11
+Bashed Patch ---- Essentials
+Last Word Patch - Essentials
------- Section (2N) -------- Patches -----------------------------------
+Even Better Quest Objectives - 1.5.8a
+Wet and Cold v2_15
+The Paarthurnax Dilemma 2.0
+The Choice is Yours 2.0
-Unread Books Glow SSE 2.2.1
+Stones of Barenziah Quest Markers SSE 3.1
+No NPC Greetings SSE
-iNeed - Food, Water and Sleep 1.83 (Lite No Food Changes)
+iNeed - Food, Water and Sleep 1.83 (Full Extended)
+Holidays v2_14 - Isoku
-High Level Enemies 1.71
+Harvest Overhaul Redone Creatures 0.9.1
+Harvest Overhaul Redone Plants 0.9.1
+Gildergreen Regrown
+Frostfall 3.4.1 SE Release
-Follower Trap Safety 1.3
+Enhanced Mighty Dragons
+ClamsDropPearls (tj-port)
+Campfire 1.11SE Release
-Better Stealth AI for Followers (TJ port)
+Simple Auto Unequip Ammo 2.1
+AFT NoDances (revert to vanilla)
+Amazing Follower Tweaks
------- Setion (2M) ------ Gameplay -----------------------------
+Ultra Realistic Crossbow Sounds (Main File --fixed the Normal Crossbow sound---31274-)
+Ultra Realistic Bow Shoot Sounds (Bow sound
+Thundering Shouts - loose files- TJ (no esp)
+SSE High Quality Music 1.4 AIO
+Smooth blade draw and Sheathe 2.3 oldrim
+Realistic wolf howl (TJ port & repack)
+Improved Combat Sounds V2.2 (SSE port)
+Improved Horse step Sounds 2.1
+Immersive Sounds Compendium SSE 2.1
+Heart of the Beast - Feral Alpha Werewolf Sounds
+FixCombatMusic 1.1 (TJ port & repack)
+Dragons Shout with Voice - LOOSE (SSE - TJ)
+Audio Overhaul_RealW2 Patch (SSE ver 1.2.39) TJ
+Audio Overhaul_GDO Patch (SSE ver1.2.39)
+Audio Overhaul for SSE - TJ port & repack (AOS 2.5.1)
+Better Animal Footsteps 1.5 (SSE tj port)
------------------------- Section (2L) Sound ---------------------------
+---- END CONFLICT RESOLUTION Sec. 2.K ---- Clutter & Misc
+White Phial Replacer SE
+WEBS SE lighting mod patch
+WEBS SE x1024
+Skeleton.and.Human.Bones.by.Kajuan (2k, tjcheck)
-Savory Stew 2k Light
+RUSTIC SOULGEMS - Special Edition - 1K Unsorted
+RUSTIC COOKING - Special Edition - 1K
+Retex of Revamped Alchemy Lab HD (tj check)- 2K
+Revamped Alchemy Lab HD
+RUGNAROK - Special Edition - 2K-1K
+PELTAPALOOZA Special Edition - FULL
+LeanWolf's Better-Shaped Talos with Greatsword
-JS Dragon Claw - 1k Textures
+HQ Paper 2.3
-Horncandles.2k-1k (tj-check)-66185-1-1
+HD Baskets 1024x2048
+EnchantingCandlesImproved LeanWolf (tj-nifopt)
+Detailing the Eldrich - Higher-Res Riekling Architecture (tj repack)
+Book Covers Skyrim SE - Desaturated
+Barenziah's Glory SE
------- Section Start ------- (2K) Clutter & Misc -------------------
+Torch Radius Increase (no brigh-tj) PLUS Magelight - ELFX
+Smaller Ice Spike 50 (tj-nifopt)
+No Spinning Death Animation
+Enhanced Lights and FX 1.02 - Enhancer (with ice shader)
+DROPS 1.0 (tj-port)
+Dawnguard Rune Weapons FXS Replacer (tj-port)
+D13 Faster Get Up Stand Up SSE 1.0
+Animated Weapon Enchants 1.15
+Animated Clutter
+360 Walk and Run Plus SSE (for Cloaks - COS & WIC)
------- Section -------- (2J) Animations -------------------
+WIC Cloaks SSE 2_4
+UNP Armor Replacer Package 6.0.1
+UNP Clothing Replacer Package 6.0.1 SLUTTY
-UNP Clothing Replacer Package 6.0.1
+UNP Texture Replacer Package
+UNP Main Armors and DLC
+Ultimate HD Torch -less glowing cloth- MedRes 1024x1024
+True HD Nightingale
+Thinner Torch - Ultimate HD Torchcompatible (tjnifopt)
+RUSTIC CLOTHING - Special Edition - 2K
+Gemling Queen Jewelry SE
+Elemental Staffs SE 2K
+Cloaks of Skyrim SSE 1.2.1 - Main Version
+Better Circlets MD 1K V1o1
+aMidianBorn book of silence WEAPONS (No Skyforge)
-aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Weapons (+Skyforge esp)
+aMidianBorn book of silence UNIQUE ITEMS
+aMidianBorn stormcloak officer armour
+aMidianBorn imperial light and studded (1dot2k)
+aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Armors (nifopt)
+aMidianBorn Blade of Woe 1.1 (nifopt)
------- Section (2I) ---- Clothing & Equipment ------------
+---- END CONFLICT RESOLUTION Sec. 2.H ---- Creature & Characters
-Vilja In Skyrim SE - 4.2 (Hearthfires Kids Fix)
+Vilja In Soltheim AddOn 1
+Vilja In Skyrim SE - 4.2
+Sofia Follower v.2.4 (BSA)
+Beards - 1K Resolution
+UNP Body ECE Head Mesh (need with UNP body)
+UNP Female Body Renewal 3.2 (less red)
+RSSE Children Overhaul 1.0.3
+Bijin AIO SSE-Serana Valerica 2.4
+Valerica 1.7
+Seranaholic v1.6
+Bijin Wives v1.1
+Bijin NPCs v1.2
+Bijin Warmaidens v3.1.1
+Eye Normal map true eyes bc7
+True Eyes SE 3.0 (Vamp Default Redone)
-True Eyes SE 3.0 (Vamp Underworld Blue)
+True Brows SE 1.1
+Striped BSA for default settings
+WICO Special Edition - Nude 0.9f- (HiShutUp Forward)
+Wispmother SSE 2Kx1K .by.Kajuan
+Troll.2k by Kajuan
+TES V - Dawnguard Rewritten - Arvak (oldrim port)
+Sabrecat.2k by Kajuan
+Luminescent Luna Moths SE (nifopt done)
+Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul
+Hagraven.2k SSE 1.0 - Kajuan
+Giant 2K by.Kajuan
+Draugr 2K by.Kajuan
+Dragon.Priest.2K by Kajuan
+Bellyaches HD DRagon Replacer-1.3 (tj-nifopt)
+Bellyaches Animal and Creature Pack 1.7 (oldrim)
+aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Dragonborn DLC
+aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Creatures (oldrim)
------- Section ------ (2H) Characters & Creatures -----------
+---- END CONFLICT RESOLUTION Sec. 2.G ---- Landscapes & Environment
+Whitrun Trellis Texture 1024
+The Beauty of Skyrim - Dungeons 2k (tj-nifopt)
+Skyrim SE Improved Puddles (TJ esp port) FOMOD
+Realistic Water Two
+CC's Enhanced Ore Veins SSE - 2K
+Real Mountains Rebuilt - FoMod
+Hold Border Banners 1.1
+Point the Way - Kynesgrove Sign
+Point The Way 2.1
+NordicSnow 3.4.1
-HQ Towns and Villages
+HD Road Signs 2K Version (Includes CRF)
+HD2K Lava 2.0
+Footprints 1.5.3
+ETHEREAL COSMOS - Special Edition - Twinkle Subdued
+ETHEREAL CLOUDS - Special Edition - 1K
-Embers HD 1.32 (Nifopt particle) +Ult HD Fire Patch
-Embers HD 1.32 (Ult Fire HD patch)
+Embers HD 1.32 (Nifopt particle) - NO Ult HD Fire
-Embers HD 1.32 (No Ult Fire Eff patch)
+Realistic Smoke & Embers Medium v1_4-836 (tj-port)
+Dragon Glyphs Fixed (Chiseled-TJ oldrim) 2.1
+Vivid Landscapes - Special Edition AIO 1.0
------- Start Section (2G) Enviornment & Landscapes ----------
+9.0.1 A Quality World Map - Clear Map Skies Add-On
+9.0.1 A Quality World Map - Vivid with Stone Roads
+HQ Food & Ingredients 1.6 Performance repack (TJ)
+Serious HD sse 1.2
+Cinematic Fire 2 HD SSE
-Ultimate HD Fire Effects -Oldrim No Change
+Ruins Clutter Improved SE NMM 2.9
+Static Mesh Improvement Mod
----------- START Secxtion (2F) Conflicting Graphics Foundation -------------
-Xbox Control Scheme - Modded 2.2
+Xbox Control Scheme 2.0 - Full
+SkyUI 2.2 (tj for MO, no fomod)
+SkyHUD 060Bv3 - Default SkyHUD Profile
+SSIRT v3.0
+Lore-Based Loading Screens 1.2
-Hide UI 1.2 (Muted Click 4 Favorite)
-Hide UI 1.2
+EZ2C Dialogue Menu 3.1
+Easier Lockpicking 1 2 - Nordic Locks
+Better Sleep Wait Menu - 744h
------------ Section (2E) --- -- Interfaces ----------------------------------
+Realistic Ragdolls and Force
+Acquisitive Soul Gems Multithreaded 4.5.1
+Guard Dialogue Overhaul TJ port-bsa
+Cutting Room Floor-276-3-0-1
+Eorlund Gray Mane won't die from fall damage (USSEP)
+Modern Brawl Bug Fix
+Bowlegged jump fix
+Blacksmith Forge Water Fix SE 1.3 - USSEP
+The Forgotten City
-Helgen Reborn_Update SSE Water Patch (small)
+Helgen Reborn SSE Version 106 With bsa file
-Falskaar 2.1
+Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch
-Insignificant Inconsistencies Fix 1.9
------- Start Section (2D) Fixes & Quests ---------------------------
+Dragonborn ESM -- Cleaned
+HearthFires ESM -- Cleaned
+Dawnguard ESM -- Cleaned
+Update ESM -- Cleaned
------- Official Bethesda Master Files --- Cleaned -------------------



Plug-in list (Exactly 85 active plugins with bash patch) Imgur screenshots of this in Wrye Bash below, too.


Plug-in list

# This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer.
Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
Cutting Room Floor.esp
WICO - Immersive People.esp
ELFX - Exteriors.esp
iNeed - Extended.esp
Book Covers Skyrim.esp
Helgen Reborn.esp (not activated)
Point The Way.esp
Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp
Perk No Fall Damage Eorlund Gray-Mane (USSEP).esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Reduced.esp
WICO - Immersive Character.esp
WICO_No Fall Dmg Eorlund Gray-Mane Patch.esp
RSChildren - Complete.esp
Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
ForgottenCity.esp (not activated yet)
Blacksmith Forge Water Fix SE USSEP.esp
Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp
AOS2_GDO Patch SSE (ver1.2.39.0)- TJ.esp
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp
Cloaks & WIC_WICO People_Patch.esp
Animated Weapon Enchants.esp
ELFX Core_Impr Puddles_Patch.esp
ELFX_Cinematic Fire_Patch.esp
ELFX_Vilja Patch.esp
ELFX_Cloaks & WIC_Patch.esp
dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp
Book Covers Skyrim_CRF_Patch.esp
RUSTIC SOULGEMS - Unsorted.esp
AOS_Animated Weap_Patch.esp
Immersive Sounds_Rustic Soulgems_Patch.esp
Improved Combat Sounds v2.2.esp
SSE High Quality Music.esp
Last Word_Patch.esp
Cinematic Fire_EmbersHD_Patch.esp
--- iNeed Extended_Helgen Reborn_Patch.esp(not activated yet)
Gildergreen Regrown.esp
Simple AUA.esp
--- Mighty Dragons SE Medium Cooked.esp (not activated yet)
Harvest Overhaul_SMIM Patch.esp
No NPC Greetings.esp
Barenziah Quest Marker_EBQO_Patch.esp
TCIY_BCS Patch.esp
WICO Imm. People_TCIY_Patch.esp
Immersive Sounds_Wet&Cold_Patch.esp
EBQO_Paarthumax Dilemma_Patch.esp
Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
Immersive Citizens - ELFXEnhancer patch.esp
Torch and Brightness Radius PLUS Magelight - ELFX.esp
iNeed Ext_Immersive Citizens_Patch.esp
TCIY_Immersive Citizen_Patch.esp
ELFX_RW2 Patch.esp
Audio Overhaul_RealW2 Patch (SSE ver 1.2.39) TJ.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - iNeed.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp

-- Note patch files are not activated and are in the batch patch



I am using the most recent beta of MO2 by Le Presidente. I also managed to get a completely green-lit load order in Wrye bash without even so much as a single plug-in needing its masters sorted properly (green check boxes all the way down as seen here#1, here#2, here#3, here-last. You will notice several oldrim files that I ported over in the CK to get to header version 44. BSA files I only needed to convert for GDO. Nothing else required it, and if it wasn't simple sound files or a few scripts I just didn't use it to avoid the complexity of any future troubleshooting. I have a high number of patches, but I knew I would merge those into a bash patch.


Lastly, after crashing, when trying to start MO, I occasionally get this error. However, I've noticed if I just give my PC about 15-30 seconds after crashing, that no longer happens, so I think I may have just tried to open xEdit a little too soon. Nevertheless, if I'm going to ask for help, I don't want to be guilty of not putting all the information in here that I can find. Anyone have any suggestions where to look, recommendations, or thoughts? I may be losing the forest for the trees here, so I thought it might be worth asking for some fresh eyes while I try to figure this out in the meantime. I will mark as solved, assuming I isolate the problem eventually, or someone else helps me ferret it out.



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The "failed to start... The parameter is incorrect [87]" message is due to insufficient HDD space for the processes to work in, largely this is relating to the Windows assigned 'Temp' folder but may also be other HDD drives. On a very small number of occasions it may also be your AV software not allowing access to said drives/folders.

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Thanks Grant. Over 50% of the space on all 3 of my drives is free. The game drive (a dedicated drive for Steam) SSE is on along with MO itself has 250 GB free space, so it must be the temp folder as you cited above. Man, I'm having a booger of a time with this thing. I thought perhaps UI mods, but a restored vanilla UI does the same thing. I am really at a loss.

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Must have missed this in one of my rounds checking the forums. Have you tried using disk cleanup or something like CCleaner to remove your temp files (it could be you just have a butload of them)?

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