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I am at the point of wits end.  I have installed STEP Extended and a number of extra mods:

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I apparently have some weird CTD issues currently, after adding a bunch of extra mods in, but what I'm really trying to address right now is a problem I'm having with my smithing animation - my character holds the metal bar backwards, doesn't place it on the anvil when banging, and holds it while pulling the billows rope.  It's really weird.  I thought that maybe it was a problem with my FNIS output at first, so I re-created a new one.  I created a brand new game.  As soon as I got into Helgen Keep I switched on no collisions and ran straight to the Helgen cave exit.  Left Helgen cave and ran straight to the Riverwood forge.  The animation worked fine.  So I assumed that I fixed the problem.  So I reloaded back to the beginning of Helgen Keep.  Then I went through the game like normal.  Eventually Hadvar and I get to Riverwood.  I immediately check the forge and WHAT?  The animation is messed up again!?!  I can't figure this out.

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Clutching at straws here, but you could try installing the optional troughs from WATER. Maybe that could jam it around and fix it? You didnt optimize any meshes in SMIM did you by the way?

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I did DDSOpt SMIM.  I don't think DDSOpt does mesh files though.  I think it just does texture files.

 

Why would you assume it might be SMIM, btw?

 

The other thing is I don't remember having issues with the smithing animation prior to recently - the installation of SMIM was a long time ago and the animation worked properly before.  I'm wondering if it could have something to do with FNIS and Skyrim Immersive Creatures (SIC).  Is the "Creature Pack" for FNIS supposedly to be installed and used with SIC?  I really have no clue what some mods or mod patches are for sometimes - sometimes people say "you need this patch, or that patch" so I get it and use it but don't really know why.  :)

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Wow - really frustrating.  I uninstalled all the mods I installed (I think) since the last time it worked right.  The smithing animation is still messed up?  I don't get it.  Only a few things I can think that significantly changed with mods is that I updated a few to the newest versions...  I can't believe that no one here is having this problem and no one is talking about it.  I have had this problem a while back when I first installed STEP Extended and it occurred after I redid FNIS and didn't restart with a new game.  After I restarted with a new game all was good.  This time it's just not fixing the problem.

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I've had this problem before, but I've never linked it to a specific mod.  I guess I always just assumed that it was a vanilla bug.  It seems like I may have experienced it early on, before I really started modding the game, which is probably why I've always assumed it was a vanilla thing.  I've also occasionally seen the firewood chopping animation get bugged where the firewood sticks to the NPCs arm.  Doesn't always happen for me, just something that occurs sometimes.

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I'll have to try wood chopping to see what happens now. :)

 

EDIT: So far it just seems to be the smithing animation (wood chopping is ok).  Where can I find the smithing animation file/files so that I can try to replace them or track what may be altering/corrupting them?  Does FNIS control this somehow?

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Actually I have seen this on consoles years ago come to think of it. It may just be one of those things. SMIM stood out as it alters the meshes, this is why I suggested you try my ones in WATER as they have been fine for me. It will also show you the file path which I think is under meshes/furniture by the way. 

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Thanks, I think I may have found the forge mesh file: blacksmithforgemarkerwr.nif or blacksmithforgemarker.nif

 

I'm redownloading SMIM.  Going to try it without DDSOpt to see if it works, and if it does I will reDDSOpt it and then see if that works.  If it doesn't, I might try the one in WATER.

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So I tried reinstalling unaltered SMIM - didn't work.  I grabbed the forge nifs from your WATER mod - didn't work.  It must not be the mesh files.

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It was worth a try. Can you uplad your save so I can try it? I won't have the same mods, but I can have a look. It could be the Havok animation if the mesh points to one. In that case there is not much chance of a fix. Not expecting a good outcme for this sadly due to the fact I have seen it happen on two platforms.

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BTW - I don't understand what got it working, but it may have been when I downloaded the Creature Pack for Fores New Idles for Skyrim and used that when I ran FNIS.  Not sure.

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