Yet more ctds and freezing

[7hr08ik]

OK guys,

 

Fresh game (8 hours gameplay)

 

Mod lists

 

 

Skyrim.esm

Update.esm

Dawnguard.esm

HearthFires.esm

Dragonborn.esm

ApachiiHair.esm

ApachiiHairFemales.esm

ApachiiHairMales.esm

Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm

ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

JSwords.esm

Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm

moonpath.esm

SPIKE.esm

HighResTexturePack01.esp

HighResTexturePack02.esp

HighResTexturePack03.esp

Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp

Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp

Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp

Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp

Better Dynamic Snow.esp

Rainbows.esp

Clanking Armor.esp

IHSS.esp

Improved Combat Sounds v2.2.esp

DSAMG - Miraak Music Fixes.esp

mintylightningmod.esp

MintyLightningMod_COT_Patch.esp

fantasy music overhaul.esp

StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp

TradeBarter.esp

83Willows_101BUGS_V4_LowRes.esp

Ars Metallica.esp

Ars Metallica - Dawnguard.esp

Ars Metallica - Hearthfire.esp

Ars Metallica - Dragonborn.esp

Auto Unequip Helmet.esp

Better Embers.esp

BLESSINGS - Altar Descriptions.esp

Bring Out Your Dead.esp

Chesko_WearableLantern.esp

ClamsDropPearls.esp

Dead Body Collision.esp

Disease Descriptions.esp

DD_Dawnguard Additions.esp

DD_Dragonborn Additions.esp

Dual Sheath Redux.esp

DungeonQuestAwareness.esp

fFastTravelSpeedMult_4.esp

Lanterns Of Skyrim - CoT Nights lvl 8.esp

Lanterns Of Skyrim - AIO - Dawnguard.esp

Book Covers Skyrim.esp

Book Covers Dawnguard.esp

Book Covers Hearthfire.esp

Moss Rocks.esp

Oblivion Gates v3 without Markers - Skyrim + Dawnguard DLC.esp

ORM-Arvak.esp

PilgrimsDelight.esp

Point The Way.esp

Radiant and Unique Potions Poisons and Booze.esp

ShootingStars.esp

Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp

Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp

Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp

SkyrimImprovedPuddles-DG-HF-DB.esp

SMDropLitTorch.esp

SPTDiverseGuardsSkyrim.esp

SwiftPotion.esp

Convenient Horses.esp

Destructible_bottles.esp

ORM Convenient Alsvid.esp

Auto Unequip Ammo.esp

Footprints.esp

Footprints - Ash.esp

NoxUE2.00.esp

RaceMenu.esp

towConversation.esp

vAutosaveManager.esp

WetandCold.esp

WetandCold - Ashes.esp

SkyUI.esp

iHUD.esp

towPov.esp

Cloaks.esp

Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp

1nivWICCloaksCRAFT.esp

Crossbows_Basic_Collection_EN_LL.esp

DragonbornArmorFix.esp

Elemental Staves.esp

ExplosiveBoltsVisualized.esp

Glass Variants.esp

hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

imp_guard_helm.esp

imp_helm.esp

imp_helm_imp.esp

imp_helm_dawn.esp

JSwordsDistributionBalancePlugin.esp

Remodeled Armor.esp

Tribunal Maskes by Zairaam.esp

Tribunal Robes by Zairaam.esp

Dr_Bandolier.esp

Dr_BandolierDG.esp

Lock Overhaul.esp

DeadlyDragons.esp

SkyRe_Main.esp

SkyRe_Combat.esp

SkyRe_CraftingFix.esp

SkyRe_EncounterZones.esp

SkyRe_EnemyAI.esp

SkyRe_EnemyScaling.esp

SkyRe_StandingStones.esp

SkyRe-USP Patch.esp

SkyRe-RUPPB Patch.esp

SkyRe Script Fix v1.2.esp

Beautiful Whiterun.esp

moonpath_questdata.esp

MzarkWonders.esp

RealisticWhiterun.esp

Run For Your Lives.esp

When Vampires Attack.esp

SkyrimChimneysRW.esp

The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp

SkyrimCoinReplacer.esp

360WalkandRunPlus-RunBackwardSpeedAdjust.esp

AchieveThat.esp

Appropriately Attired Jarls Redux.esp

BetterQuestObjectives.esp

BetterQuestObjectives-PaarDilemmaPatch.esp

BetterQuestObjectives-SkyRePatch.esp

BetterQuestObjectives-DBForevertoMisc.esp

BlockSparkles.esp

Distant DetailHF.esp

Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

Headtracking.esp

Immersive Weapons.esp

dD-No Twitching Dragon Death Animation.esp

NonEssentialChildren.esp

BetterQuestObjectives-NECPatch.esp

SFO - Expanded Diversity.esp

SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp

SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators-Dawnguard.esp

SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators-Dragonborn.esp

dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp

Waterbreathing Breathless Emerge.esp

aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp

Unique Region Names - Dragonborn.esp

AIMP - Antz in my Pantz.esp

SoS - The Dungeons.esp

SoS - The Wilds.esp

SoS - Civilization.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound.esp

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dungeons.esp

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Interiors.esp

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.esp

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-4.esp

Unique Region Names - Dragonborn COT Patch.esp

SoS - The Dungeons-PatchRLODungeons.esp

SoS - The Dungeons-PatchRLOMajorCityInteriors.esp

SoS - The Wilds-PatchCoTSounds.esp

SoS - Civilization-PatchRLOMajorCityInteriors.esp

SoS - Civilization -PatchCoTSounds.esp

dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp

Better Vampires.esp

Predator Vision.esp

WerewolfMastery.esp

BetterQuestObjectives-MoonlightMasteryPatch.esp

WerewolfPerksExpanded_1.6.esp

Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp

BFSEffects.esp

DeadlySpellImpacts.esp

ForgottenMagic_Redone.esp

Dual Wield Parrying_SKSE.esp

DragonCombatOverhaulDragonborn.esp

The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp

vDynamicDifficulty.esp

GDO_Plugin_SkyRe.esp

Acquisitive Soul Gems.esp

Enhanced Soul Trap.esp

Soul Gems Differ - E.esp

Improved Dragon Shouts.esp

Improved Dragon Shouts - Dawnguard.esp

Improved Dragon Shouts - Dragonborn.esp

dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp

Beards.esp

Brows.esp

Slightly Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp

Blaze Of Eventide.esp

HousecarlWhiterun.esp

moveitLWT.esp

AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp

BetterQuestObjectives-AFTPatch.esp

Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

BetterQuestObjectives-AlternateStartPatch.esp

SkyRe_Races.esp

ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp

EEO patch.esp

Animated Weapon Enchants.esp

WATER.esp

WATER Plants.esp

WATER DB Waves.esp

Atlas Map Markers.esp

Atlas Blackreach.esp

Atlas Dawnguard.esp

Atlas Hearthfire.esp

Atlas Dragonborn.esp

Unique Region Names.esp

RUPPB-DBE Patch.esp

ICS-EBT Patch.esp

AS-GDO Patch.esp

AS-RLO Patch.esp

BV-RLO Patch.esp

WM-BOYD Patch.esp

WM-SkyRe Patch.esp

SOS-BOE Patch.esp

SOS-AMM Patch.esp

AS-SOS Patch.esp

AS-RLO-SOS Patch.esp

SOS-URN Patch.esp

AS-URN Patch.esp

WM-BOYD-IW Patch.esp

SkyRe-SkyTEST.esp

SkyRe-EBV Patch.esp

IW-BOYD Patch.esp

ASG-AWE-SkyRe.esp

AM-SkyTEST Patch.esp

AM-SMIM Patch.esp

General Patch.esp

Bashed Patch, 0.esp

ASIS-Dependency.esp

PreASISPatchEEO.esp

ASIS.esp

PostASISPatch.esp

Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp

ReProccer.esp

qotsafans Ars Metallica Patch.esp

qotsafans WIC-CraftOnly ReProccer Patch.esp

qotsafans CBC EN LL ReProccer Patch.esp

qotsafans EEO + BringOutYourDead Patch.esp

qotsafans Miscellaneous ReProccer + Destruction Tweak Atronach 50 Patch.esp

SkyRe-DB Patch.esp

BCS-SkyRe Patch.esp

ReProccerDragonborn.esp

 

 

 

Ini

 

 

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[Display]

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fLightLODMaxStartFade=3500.0

iShadowMapResolutionPrimary=2048

bAllowScreenshot=1

fSunShadowUpdateTime=0

fSunUpdateThreshold=2.0

fDefault1stPersonFOV=85.0

fDefaultWorldFOV=85.0

iPresentInterval=1

[Audio]

fMusicDuckingSeconds=6.0

fMusicUnDuckingSeconds=8.0

fMenuModeFadeOutTime=3.0

fMenuModeFadeInTime=1.0

[Grass]

bAllowCreateGrass=1

bAllowLoadGrass=0

iMaxGrassTypesPerTexure=6

[GeneralWarnings]

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[Archive]

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[Combat]

fMagnetismStrafeHeadingMult=0.0

fMagnetismLookingMult=0.0

f1PArrowTiltUpAngle=0.64

f3PArrowTiltUpAngle=0.64

f1PBoltTiltUpAngle=0.64

f3PBoltTiltUpAngle=0.64

[Papyrus]

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fExtraTaskletBudgetMS=1.6

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bEnableTrace=0

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[Water]

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bReflectLODLand=1

bReflectSky=1

bReflectLODTrees=1

bReflectExplosions=0

[Actor]

fVisibleNavmeshMoveDist=12288.0000

[VATS]

fVATSCastingAfterKillDelay=1.2000

uVATSRangedPercentSneak=100

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bVATSIgnoreProjectileTest=0

bVATSAllowNoKill=0

bVATSMultipleCombatants=1

bVATSForceRanged=1

 

 

 

skyprefs.ini is only tweaked as far as SR recommends

 

PC

 

 

i5 2500k - @4.5GHz stable (recently checked and stressed0

8GB Corsair RAM

ASUS GTX 670 4GB - @stock speeds

60GB SSD (windows)

1TB HDD (progs + data)

 

 

 

Game

 

 

Running Skyrim Revisited

Full settings

All DDSopt`d most big texture mods at 1024x1024

Launching with SKSE (1.6.15)

papyrus logging - OFF

skyrim perf mon - OFF (only used to test settings)

Have tried ATTK, light and full version but still get ctds and freezing

 

 

 

Issue

Recently gone through the lists and removed a few random mods, and some that are too buggy to fix (3dNPC etc)

Removed Automatic Variants to help with RAM, and hopefully fix my issue.

 

The problem is outdoor CTD`s and freezing...it doesn`t happen at any specific point it seems to be totally random, but once i hit a point it can be reproduced (if that makes sense?) Randomly occurs but i can load a previous save and it will happen again.

 

From what i can tell it happens when NPCs/Creatures pop in at the edge of the loading area. (hence why i removed AV) Taking AV off seemed to help for a few hours but now its still happening. I`ve read a few posts with people saying that running around too fast can cause it, but that's stupid. Im not gonna start playing the game slowly so i dont crash.

 

The best example was the giant camp outside whiterun....i was doing the companion missions. I left whiterun, got on my horse, and went towards the camp to get to Dustmans Cairn. I spotted the fire pop in and as soon as the mamoths pop in to view....CTD. I get this at random points around skyrim, but this is the only time i`ve managed to nail down the reason.

 

What im wanting, is to find out what mods can be causing this glitch. I thought AV coz of the mamoths...took it off and it seemed to fix it. (From what i can tell AV is safe to remove) But what else can be causing this? It deffinately seems to be caused by new NPC`s/creatures poping in, as it only happens when im moving. If im just waddling around gathering, or fighting, nothing....only when running/riding around.

 

EDIT:

Sorted ini file, so you can read it now.

Yes i have some extra lines in papyrus, but these have helped my stability ALOT. Esspecially with random combat freezing etc.

[Aiyen]

Memory issues can also come in as freezes like monty says.

 

If something is not written into memory and the game tries to access it then CTD. This is what happens when the game hits the wall.

However if the game just needs to swap out a large amount of stuff then perhaps a script gets stuck which cause a freeze. Which is most likely what cause most freezes.

 

If you can still produce your frequent freezes if you save near the locations and then move to them then you might have some mod issues.

If you only can get them if you are riding through several cells then the solution is simple.... do not just ride about without saving every few cell changes!

 

The alternative is to reduce the complexity of your mod lists, until the problem goes away.

 

I know you want to be able to just ride about and play the game without a worry, but sadly that is just not possible with such complex lists as is employed here.

If you find out which mod has the troublesome script you can ofc. get rid of that mod.

[phazer11]

*facepalms* I just realized that I had the unoptimized versions of Immersive Armors and Immersive Weapons so I ticked the correct ones and am testing now. 7hr did you optimize yours?

 

If not you should anyways the Weapons pack is ridiculously unoptimized I did 1k normals and 2k textures and the folder size went from 1.14GB unzipped to 391MB  unzipped (379MB 7zipped). The Armors were somewhat better but were still 949MB unzipped and went down to 306 unzipped (300MB 7zipped)

[Freyrgjurd]

I found that a lot of mods aren't optimized, of course, but some of them take a toll for 1mb of difference.

 

Mods that get a lot of small textures (tress, mushrooms, etc) rendered are the worst.

 

The real problema is what can / can't be optimized.

 

Note: Thanks for the tip on Immersive's mods. o/

[phazer11]

Nope didn't help (fix the problem) and my RAM peaked at 2500MB and I know it can go to 3GB on my machine before a CTD from the bug.

[7hr08ik]

Well im gonna do a re-install of all my mods. Mainly Coz i cant remember which ones have been DDSopt to 1024 or 2048. Plus this way i can make sure i have all the SR patches in place properly...

 

Only thing i need some help with is the normals....Obv i need to be reducing the normals to half the size of the main textures but how? Do i just filter for _n.dds in DDSopt and then set to half size?

[Freyrgjurd]

This is what I do:

 

1. Unselect everything

2. Filter for *_n.dds and select them.

3. If I used 2k resolutions on the .dds files, I'll select 1k for these. Selecting half-size will reduce 1k to 512 and so on, so I just cap at 1k.

 

You can read more about it at the DDSOpt Guide over the wiki page:

 

https://wiki.step-project.com/Guide:DDSopt_%26_Texture_Overhauls

 

EDIT: Before this pass on the normals, I run only the non _n.dds files.

 

1. Select everything

2. Filter for *_n.dds and unselect them.

3. Set the resolution cap (4k / 2k / 1k).

 

NOTE: If I cap the .dds at 1k, I cap normals at 1k too. I don't like the idea of 512 normals :P (Personal Opinion)

[DoYouEvenModBro]

What size is your save file? Have you tried running the "clearinvalidregistrations" command that comes with SKSE? I was getting freezing that would occur for like 10 seconds and then resume normally every minute or so and it turned out to be due to save file bloat which was fixed by the above mentioned console command. Also, and I'm not sure why this works, try to keep only ONE save file in your Skyrim Saves folder. Again, not sure why this works but it has for me in the past. Also, try doing the clean save procedure where you wait 30 days. It clears out bodies and items and might help alleviate some RAM?

[phazer11]

We've (as it sounds like he has been as well) been making clean new game saves.

[DoYouEvenModBro]

We've (as it sounds like he has been as well) been making clean new game saves.

Oh ok, my fault for not seeing that!

[phazer11]

But for reference my saves are ~3800-4000kb

[DoYouEvenModBro]

But for reference my saves are ~3800-4000kb

My save file is currently 16 mb but that's with like 200 hours on it.

[torminater]

3-4 MB is a very small save. Are you actually using any mods?

[phazer11]

Yup full Skyrim Revisited but as I said I've only got up to an hour on it. Still trying to sort out the freezing.

 

On that note while I was riding around I noticed several spots where it seemed to freeze but recovered almost instantaneously I don't know if it has to do with my increased frame rates from disabling vsync or not. I'm getting between 45-86FPS on horseback without ENB without VSync enabled. They seem like stutters so I need to find a way to eliminate them or reduce their numbers

[Freyrgjurd]

It's a freeze or a FPS drop ?

 

If it's a fps drop you VRAM may be filled and the game freezes a bit while changing cell and loading new information / swapping current information with system memory.

[phazer11]

Well it's like a massive 1-2 second stutter I only noticed them once I turned Vsync off but I'm not sure if the game would have frozen if I had VSync on or not I'm thinking the giant stutters are where it would have frozen before but I'm not sure. And I guess it's an FPS drop but its so quick I can't tell if the fps dropped or not if that makes sense...