Unusual, nonspecific Crash on loading Saves makes Skyrim Unplayable

[Arabian_Knight]

Alright, this is a very unclear I've had with Skyrim the last two months that I just cannot figure out. Earlier I posted about another separate issue I had that I fixed by reinstalling to a different directory, and I thought that might help with this issue as well. It did not. Most of the reason I was ticked at that issue, honestly, is because I was trying to fix this issue at the time.

 

The issue is that the game has started to refuse to load saves. Not all saves, certain saves. It seems that something triggers the save to not load at some unspecified point that I cannot figure out. I had a previous game with 235 hours logged into it (the game was actually very stable, with very few crashes throughout) that began crashing (on loading only, not ingame) after I got halfway through Ysgramor's Tomb during the final Companions quest. I had a save that loaded at the beginning of the tomb, and I could load that one and play just fin. Any save I made after that point, however, crashed on loading. It didn't matter where I was-in the tomb, Solstheim, Riverwood Trader, the Reach-no matter where I went, if I saved and exited and then tried to load it later, no dice.

 

I abandoned that save, reinstalled the game to a new location, and changed my mods. I updated Requiem, I removed a few mods I didn't like, replaced them with a couple of better ones, and so on. I got my game right for a new game, that is. It worked fine, I could play without any issues. After I got to Bleak Falls Barrow, however, the issue resurfaced. Any save I load after reaching the exterior of Bleak Falls Barrow crashed. I could load my saves in Riverwood just fine. 

 

The load screen will progress as normal, then after about ten to fifteen seconds, there will be a quick stutter, and right after the load screen resumes it will crash. The mystery here is this:

 

1. This issue has been present through two different load orders.

 

2. This issue seems random on when the game decides that the save is unusable.

 

3. The game does not crash during gameplay, only on loading the save. That is, I can play completely fine on the save, exit, and upon loading it the game crashes.

 

I've tried disabling mods to see if the game will load (I disabled all of them but those related to Requiem), but that doesn't work. It's almost as if the game has decided that the save is corrupted (it's not, there is no corrupt save message at all) after a certain point or after something is saved into it, so disabling mods is pretty much a crap shoot. Most of the mods I have I've used for a long time, way before I had this issue, and I've tried to compare the .esps from the different saves to see which were different, but like I said, it appears that the save will crash anyway, no matter what .esps are loaded. The damage has been done.

 

Needless to say, this makes the game unplayable because I cannot advance. I do not expect that much in the way of solutions to be brutally honest. I'm pretty much ready to leave Skyrim behind if this issue cannot be fixed, because I cannot advance in the story. Thank you in advance for anyone who takes the time to offer any help.

 

Load Order (there is usually a Bashed Patch after the Merged patch;I just now noticed it was disabled when I pasted this list, but it is normally enabled):

 

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  0  0 Skyrim.esm

  1  1 Update.esm

  2  2 Dawnguard.esm

  3  3 ApachiiHair.esm

  4  4 ApachiiHairFemales.esm

  5  5 Dragonborn.esm

  6  6 HearthFires.esm

  7  7 Nock2Tip.esm

  8  8 Wyrmstooth.esp

  9  9 Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm

 10  a JSwords.esm

 11  b Falskaar.esm

 12  c EFFCore.esm

 13  d moonpath.esm

 14  e Omegared99-Compilation.esm

 15  f Dustbound.esm

 16 10 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp

 17 11 Unique Flowers & Plants.esm

 18 12 OblivionHairPackAIO.esm

 19 13 Obl-VB hair.esm

 20 14 arnima.esm

 21 15 ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

 22 16 SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esm

 23 17 JoOsSkyrimKnightlyArmory.esp

 24 18 HothFollower.esp

 25 19 Cleric Armours - Credo.esp

 26 1a Thanatos Dragonx.esp

 27 1b WhitePhialReplacer.esp

 28 1c CerwidenCompanion.esp

 29 1d Thorald GreyMane.esp

 30 1e Merge2.esp

 31 1f MergeSet2.esp

 32 20 Nimra's Goat.esp

 33 21 Seashells.esp

 34 22 Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp

 35 23 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

 36 24 Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp

 37 25 Apocalypse - Dragonborn Staff Crafting.esp

 38 26 WetandCold.esp

 39 27 WetandCold - Ashes.esp

 40 28 WondersofWeather.esp

 41 29 Holidays.esp

 42 2a RealShelter.esp

 43 2b Immersive Weapons.esp

 44 2c TCOSS.esp

 45 2d Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp

 46 2e WeaponsArmorFixes_ImmersiveWeapons_Patch.esp

 47 2f Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

 48 30 ImprovedFishBASIC.esp

 49 31 RBB - New Lands Merge.esp

 50 32 RBB - Row Boats - Hearthfire Hotfix.esp

 51 33 FishingInSkyrim.esp

 52 34 dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp

 53 35 AK- Buyable Paintings and Pictures.esp

 54 36 Painting In Skyrim.esp

 55 37 Cloaks.esp

 56 38 RealisticWaterTwo.esp

 57 39 Helgen Reborn.esp

 58 3a SkyUI.esp

 59 3b My Home Is Your Home.esp

 60 3c Odvar.esp

 61 3d VioLens.esp

 62 3e Unique Uniques.esp

 63 3f Unique Unique.esp

 64 40 FireAndIceOverhaul.esp

 65 41 DeadlySpellImpacts.esp

 66 42 Civil War Overhaul.esp

 67 43 Armored Circlets.esp

 68 44 Immersive Jewelry.esp

 69 45 Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

 70 46 Dragon Combat Overhaul.esp

 71 47 Lore Weapon Expansion.esp

 72 48 Lore Weapon Expansion - Daedric Crescent.esp

 73 49 Lore Weapon Expansion - Goldbrand.esp

 74 4a Lore Weapon Expansion - Relics of the Crusader.esp

 75 4b AOS.esp

 76 4c JSwordsDistributionBalancePlugin.esp

 77 4d The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp

 78 4e RealisticWhiterun.esp

 79 4f Beautiful Whiterun.esp

 80 50 Glass Variants.esp

 81 51 Differently Ebony.esp

 82 52 aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp

 83 53 TR HD no grass no trees.esp

 84 54 Realistic HD Beverages.esp

 85 55 1nivWICCloaks.esp

 86 56 1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp

 87 57 Beards.esp

 88 58 SC_hairs.esp

 89 59 TorchArrow-Dawnguard.esp

 90 5a RaceMenu.esp

 91 5b RaceMenuPlugin.esp

 92 5c EquipmentStateCopy&Rename.esp

 93 5d Immersive Music Temples.esp

 94 5e Immersive Music.esp

 95 5f Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp

 96 60 Thunderchild - Wyrmstooth Compatibility Patch.esp

 97 61 KS Hairdo's.esp

 98 62 Immersive Patrols II.esp

 99 63 NPCs Protected and Uncapped.esp

100 64 Inconsequential NPCs.esp

101 65 Inconsequential NPCs - Enhancement.esp

102 66 EFFDialogue.esp

103 67 UIExtensions.esp

104 68 Animallica.esp

105 69 Rebirth Monster.esp

106 6a FollowerCompatibility.esp

107 6b Painkiller's_Hrothmund's_Axe.esp

108 6c ESFAela.esp

109 6d Darrow.esp

110 6e LC_immersiveLoot.esp

111 6f LC_immersiveLootEnchanting.esp

112 70 AgentOfRighteousMight.esp

113 71 MoonAndStar_MAS.esp

114 72 WheelsOfLull.esp

115 73 moonpath_questdata.esp

116 74 Merge3-Weapons, Armor.esp

117 75 ExtraBlades-EFF.esp

118 76 SkyHavenTemple'sGlory1.3.esp

119 77 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp

120 78 Omegared99-WeaponSets.esp

121 79 ExtraBlades.esp

122 7a BHWarPaints.esp

123 7b TheCoenaculiMALE.esp

124 7c RaceMenuOverlays.esp

125 7d KJ Lore Tattoos 4K.esp

126 7e KJ Tattoos 4K.esp

127 7f UniqueBorderGates-All.esp

128 80 BetterDGEntrance.esp

129 81 Unique Places.esp

130 82 MzarkWonders.esp

131 83 The Huntsman.esp

132 84 Merge4-Weapons, Armors.esp

133 85 SoS - Civilization.esp

134 86 SoS - The Dungeons.esp

135 87 SoS - The Wilds.esp

136 88 The Honored Dead.esp

137 89 Elemental Destruction.esp

138 8a Darkend.esp

139 8b RealisticWaterTwoPatches.esp

140 8c JaxonzEnhGrab.esp

141 8d NorthernCardinal.esp

142 8e Inigo.esp

143 8f Merge6 - Misc.esp

144 90 Aurlyn.esp

145 91 SFO - Dragonborn.esp

146 92 Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp

147 93 ogDiverseDragons2.esp

148 94 Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp

149 95 Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp

150 96 CCO_SIC_Patch.esp

151 97 Merge7b.esp

152 98 Nock2Tip.esp

153 99 Immersive Dragon Sounds.esp

154 9a 3DNPC.esp

155 9b AnnaNPCs.esp

156 9c AnnaNPCs-AndunielsMeadery.esp

157 9d AnnaNPCs-AlternativeFaces.esp

158 9e Beasts of Tamriel.esp

159 9f Nithhogg Dragon.esp

160 a0 Elisif Makeover.esp

161 a1 FNIS.esp

162 a2 Merged Treasures.esp

163 a3 Merge5 - Experimental1.esp

164 a4 Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp

165 a5 Bijin Wives, WMs, NPCs, Followers, Females.esp

166 a6 CASM.esp

167 a7 Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin.esp

168 a8 Merge8d.esp

169 a9 SkyrimsUniqueTreasures.esp

170 aa Merge9b.esp

171 ab Original Opening Scene.esp

172 ac Vivid Weathers.esp

173 ad mintylightningmod.esp

174 ae Better Vampires.esp

175 af Brevi_MoonlightTalesEssentials.esp

176 b0 Requiem.esp

177 b1 ReqtificatorVault.esp

178 b2 COR-CraftingOverhaulReqtified.esp

179 b3 Requiem - Legendary Bugsmasher Edition.esp

180 b4 Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp

181 b5 WerewolfPerksExpanded.esp

182 b6 Wintermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp

183 b7 WAO - Weather and Ambience Overhaul.esp

184 b8 MoonAndStar Real Shelter Patch.esp

185 b9 DaedraReturns.esp

186 ba Followers_StealthKills.esp

187 bb Requiem - Immersive Creatures.esp

188 bc Requiem - Revenge of the Enemies - SIC.esp

189 bd Requiem - Revenge of the Enemies.esp

190 be Merge10f.esp

191 bf Immersive Sounds Patches.esp

192 c0 RealShelterPatch.esp

193 c1 PatronGodsOfSkyrim.esp

194 c2 Requiem Patches 12-2-16.esp

195 c3 XPMSE.esp

196 c4 Coins of Tamriel V2 Legendary Edition.esp

197 c5 Coints of Tamriel V2 Patches.esp

198 c6 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

199 c7 Real Roads.esp

200 c8 SMIM-Merged-All.esp

201 c9 EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

202 ca ELFXEnhancer.esp

203 cb ELFX - Dawnguard.esp

204 cc ELFX - Dragonborn.esp

205 cd ELFX - Exteriors.esp

206 ce ELFX - Moonpath.esp

207 cf ELFX - NoBreezehome.esp

208 d0 Pureweather.esp

209 d1 Skyrim Particle Patch for ENB - Flame Atronach Fix.esp

210 d2 TrueStorms.esp

211 d3 DynDOLOD Patches.esp

212 d4 DynDOLOD.esp

213 d5 Birdsofskyrim.esp

214 d6 SkyTEST Patches.esp

215 d7 Requiem - Aurlyn.esp

216 d8 TES5EditMerged.esp

217 d9 Requiem for the Indifferent.esp

 

 

 

Crash log (useless, I know, but might as well try it I suppose):

 

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Crash info:

2016_12_17_20-34-45 - 6DC2B9: V(1); EAX(58); EBX(0); ECX(0); EDX(3); ESI(2C6F3378); EDI(18F778); EBP(2C6F3474); ESP(18F674); STACK(670152 67BE82 E8DB74 EE2E4C 1000000 10076BC);

 

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[Kelmych]

Did you try loading the game with vanilla Skyrim files (no mods at all)?

 

When a save gets corrupted there is no message, at least I've never had one when a save gets corrupted. I have had situations when the game is running fine and I make a save, but in order to get the save to load I have to greatly reduce the set of mods being used. Your mod list is very large. Try removing the Requiem related mods in addition to what you already tried and see what happens.

[Nozzer66]

Am also fairly sure that running a Bashed patch with Requiem isn't the done thing.

[Arabian_Knight]

  On 12/23/2016 at 2:39 AM, Nozzer66 said:

Am also fairly sure that running a Bashed patch with Requiem isn't the done thing.

I realize the author recommends against it, but I've done for quite a while before this issue. He does not recommend it for balance reasons, more so than stability.

 

As to disabling mods, the save will not load then due to missing data. The thing is that it's not just one save. It's everything after a certain point (a point that varies from game to game that I cannot determine). I would disable the Requiem mods, but the game would not load due to it missing the data.

 

The crash always does the same sort of thing: when loading, it stutters for a second, then resumes, and then crashes a second later. The thing is, I can load the saves in Riverwood with the same load order, and one more save on the way up to Bleak Falls Barrow with no problem. Then I get to the cell, do whatever it is I do, and save. If I load that new save, it crashes, but the game lets me play fine otherwise. As I said before, I had 235 hours in that last save with a slightly different Load Order before I got the issue there. It's extremely puzzling.

[GrantSP]

Some mod you have in your load order is triggering a script when you enter that cell and, for whatever reason that script is causing the crash. I've not heard of a vanilla CTD occurring specifrically in that location so you'll need to do a bit detective work to narrow the list of culprits.

If you know the ID of the cell you might try looking in xEdit for mods that are modifying that and see if there is an issue with any of the scripts.

[Arabian_Knight]

Here's the troubling thing about it - the save is outside Bleak Falls Barrow, in the Skyrim worldspace. The last saves (from the last character) were in Ysgramor's Tomb, Riverwood Trader, Solstheim, and the White Phial. It's as if the game picks a point in the save where every save afterward is corrupted, no matter what cell it occurs in. This would suggest a script as the culprit, as you said. I don't have a clue as to how to pinpoint which script could be causing it, and deactivating the mod with the script still present would not remove the script from the savegame (if it is a script at all).