WDeranged

Certainly appears that way. 40 hours of PapyrusUtil and I never got it. I didn't see it in the 10 hours of playtime when I went back to PapyrusUtil after initially testing DynDOLOD.DLL. Nothing else has changed in my load order.

A save/reload within the same session doesn't fix it but loading the save after restarting Skyrim does. It behaves like the vanilla Whiterun LOD glitch that occurs from time to time. I do wonder if this water glitch is a lesser known vanilla issue that has just reared it's head. It just happens to have occurred while I was testing DynDOLOD.DLL.

I've had a good look and other than a few Unofficial Patch changes there aren't any edits made to water records. I'd have expected the glitch to appear every time if there were changes to the records. It seems to appear after a good amount of playtime.

But I'm not running any water modifications at all

Here's a screenshot of that strange water glitch I mentioned in my other thread. I know DynDOLOD doesn't touch the water but since using DynDOLOD.DLL I've been getting this glitch almost every time I play. Could be a coincidence but I thought I'd ask your opinion on what could be happening here. Thanks!

Glad to hear it

Yeah I regenerated the LOD since then. I gave DynDOLOD.DLL another try on a new game (also disabled all my mods) and I still get the array errors. For the purposes of testing I completely disabled UAC and my antivirus software.

Here are the files. Hopefully you can spot something as it did seem to me that I was having a more stable experience with DynDOLOD.DLL. https://ufile.io/2kxef

Could this be the Tree LOD Alpha Update Caching issue that SSE Engine Fixes has a patch for?

Ok thanks I'm happy to keep using PapyrusUtil for now. Though I am curious if you have any theories about those empty array messages I was getting with DynDOLOD.DLL.

Yeah. It's the Riverwood Trader save I sent to you when trying to narrow down the crash (script overload) when first installing DynDOLOD. I did notice these in the Papyrus.0.log. Nothing to worry about? [01/06/2019 - 03:39:51PM] [sHESON_DynDOLOD_Quest ] Load DynDOLOD_.json False [01/06/2019 - 03:39:51PM] [sHESON_DynDOLOD_Quest ] Load DynDOLOD__Objects.json False

Here is the log from the save I used earlier. 20 mins into the game, no DynDOLOD previously installed. Here's the log from a completely fresh game, coc whiterun. In both cases I let DynDOLOD initialise and then fast travelled between a few cities before closing the game.

Definitely using the scripts from the latest Resources and dynamic LOD all appears to be working fine. I've noticed that when I start a new game the log doesn't have any errors but if I load a save (that has never had DynDOLOD installed) from when I first started the game I see those same errors. [spoiler=PapyrusUtilDev.log from a new game.]Loading Version: 36 Init... Plugin::InitPlugin() - 1 -done Registering functions... -done JSON Loading: Data/SKSE/Plugins/StorageUtilData/DynDOLOD_Worlds.json JSON Loading: Data/SKSE/Plugins/StorageUtilData/DynDOLOD_Tamriel.json JSON Loading: Data/SKSE/Plugins/StorageUtilData/DynDOLOD_Tamriel_Objects.json Storage Saving... Saving mod list: (0) Skyrim.esm (1) Update.esm (2) Dawnguard.esm (3) HearthFires.esm (4) Dragonborn.esm (5) Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp (6) DynDOLOD.esm (7) SkyUI_SE.esp (8) Gildergreen Regrown.esp (9) FloraRespawnFix.esp (10) Weather Tweaks.esp (11) Immersive Potions.esp (12) Hardcore Lockpicking1-12.esp (13) CustomDifficulty.esp (14) No More Stones.esp (15) Craftable Torches.esp (16) MehrunesRazorFivePercentKillChance.esp (17) Slightly Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp (18) HorseSpeedStam.esp (19) Cutting Room Floor.esp (20) Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp (21) TheChoiceIsYours.esp (22) Darkwater Crossing.esp (23) Whistling Mine.esp (24) Soljund's Sinkhole.esp (25) Shor's Stone.esp (26) Karthwasten.esp (27) Dragon Bridge.esp (28) HoldBorderBanners.esp (29) VariedGuards.esp (30) Delay-DLC.esp (31) Arrow Speed.esp (32) Thieves Guild Requirements.esp (33) Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp (34) Ish's Souls to Perks.esp (35) The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp (36) Volume Tweaks.esp (37) BooksBooksBooks.esp (38) RichMerchantsSkyrim_x2.esp (39) DynDOLOD.esp Saving light mod list: MODS Saved - objects: 153 INTV Saved - empty! FLOV Saved - objects: 1 STRV Saved - objects: 49 FORV Saved - empty! INTL Saved - empty! FLOL Saved - empty! STRL Saved - empty! FORL Saved - empty! PKGO Saved JSON Files: 3 JSON SaveFiles - Done External JSON Saved Save Done! Storage Saving... Saving mod list: (0) Skyrim.esm (1) Update.esm (2) Dawnguard.esm (3) HearthFires.esm (4) Dragonborn.esm (5) Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp (6) DynDOLOD.esm (7) SkyUI_SE.esp (8) Gildergreen Regrown.esp (9) FloraRespawnFix.esp (10) Weather Tweaks.esp (11) Immersive Potions.esp (12) Hardcore Lockpicking1-12.esp (13) CustomDifficulty.esp (14) No More Stones.esp (15) Craftable Torches.esp (16) MehrunesRazorFivePercentKillChance.esp (17) Slightly Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp (18) HorseSpeedStam.esp (19) Cutting Room Floor.esp (20) Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp (21) TheChoiceIsYours.esp (22) Darkwater Crossing.esp (23) Whistling Mine.esp (24) Soljund's Sinkhole.esp (25) Shor's Stone.esp (26) Karthwasten.esp (27) Dragon Bridge.esp (28) HoldBorderBanners.esp (29) VariedGuards.esp (30) Delay-DLC.esp (31) Arrow Speed.esp (32) Thieves Guild Requirements.esp (33) Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp (34) Ish's Souls to Perks.esp (35) The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp (36) Volume Tweaks.esp (37) BooksBooksBooks.esp (38) RichMerchantsSkyrim_x2.esp (39) DynDOLOD.esp Saving light mod list: MODS Saved - objects: 223 INTV Saved - empty! FLOV Saved - objects: 1 STRV Saved - objects: 46 FORV Saved - empty! INTL Saved - empty! FLOL Saved - empty! STRL Saved - empty! FORL Saved - empty! PKGO Saved JSON Files: 3 JSON SaveFiles - Done External JSON Saved Save Done! Storage Saving... Saving mod list: (0) Skyrim.esm (1) Update.esm (2) Dawnguard.esm (3) HearthFires.esm (4) Dragonborn.esm (5) Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp (6) DynDOLOD.esm (7) SkyUI_SE.esp (8) Gildergreen Regrown.esp (9) FloraRespawnFix.esp (10) Weather Tweaks.esp (11) Immersive Potions.esp (12) Hardcore Lockpicking1-12.esp (13) CustomDifficulty.esp (14) No More Stones.esp (15) Craftable Torches.esp (16) MehrunesRazorFivePercentKillChance.esp (17) Slightly Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp (18) HorseSpeedStam.esp (19) Cutting Room Floor.esp (20) Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp (21) TheChoiceIsYours.esp (22) Darkwater Crossing.esp (23) Whistling Mine.esp (24) Soljund's Sinkhole.esp (25) Shor's Stone.esp (26) Karthwasten.esp (27) Dragon Bridge.esp (28) HoldBorderBanners.esp (29) VariedGuards.esp (30) Delay-DLC.esp (31) Arrow Speed.esp (32) Thieves Guild Requirements.esp (33) Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp (34) Ish's Souls to Perks.esp (35) The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp (36) Volume Tweaks.esp (37) BooksBooksBooks.esp (38) RichMerchantsSkyrim_x2.esp (39) DynDOLOD.esp Saving light mod list: MODS Saved - objects: 280 INTV Saved - empty! FLOV Saved - objects: 1 STRV Saved - objects: 29 FORV Saved - empty! INTL Saved - empty! FLOL Saved - empty! STRL Saved - empty! FORL Saved - empty! PKGO Saved JSON Files: 3 JSON SaveFiles - Done External JSON Saved Save Done! JSON Loading: Data/SKSE/Plugins/StorageUtilData/DynDOLOD_MarkarthWorld.json JSON Loading: Data/SKSE/Plugins/StorageUtilData/DynDOLOD_MarkarthWorld_Objects.json Storage Saving... Saving mod list: (0) Skyrim.esm (1) Update.esm (2) Dawnguard.esm (3) HearthFires.esm (4) Dragonborn.esm (5) Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp (6) DynDOLOD.esm (7) SkyUI_SE.esp (8) Gildergreen Regrown.esp (9) FloraRespawnFix.esp (10) Weather Tweaks.esp (11) Immersive Potions.esp (12) Hardcore Lockpicking1-12.esp (13) CustomDifficulty.esp (14) No More Stones.esp (15) Craftable Torches.esp (16) MehrunesRazorFivePercentKillChance.esp (17) Slightly Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp (18) HorseSpeedStam.esp (19) Cutting Room Floor.esp (20) Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp (21) TheChoiceIsYours.esp (22) Darkwater Crossing.esp (23) Whistling Mine.esp (24) Soljund's Sinkhole.esp (25) Shor's Stone.esp (26) Karthwasten.esp (27) Dragon Bridge.esp (28) HoldBorderBanners.esp (29) VariedGuards.esp (30) Delay-DLC.esp (31) Arrow Speed.esp (32) Thieves Guild Requirements.esp (33) Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp (34) Ish's Souls to Perks.esp (35) The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp (36) Volume Tweaks.esp (37) BooksBooksBooks.esp (38) RichMerchantsSkyrim_x2.esp (39) DynDOLOD.esp Saving light mod list: MODS Saved - objects: 187 INTV Saved - empty! FLOV Saved - objects: 1 STRV Saved - objects: 9 FORV Saved - empty! INTL Saved - empty! FLOL Saved - empty! STRL Saved - empty! FORL Saved - empty! PKGO Saved JSON Files: 5 JSON SaveFiles - Done External JSON Saved Save Done! Storage Saving... Saving mod list: (0) Skyrim.esm (1) Update.esm (2) Dawnguard.esm (3) HearthFires.esm (4) Dragonborn.esm (5) Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp (6) DynDOLOD.esm (7) SkyUI_SE.esp (8) Gildergreen Regrown.esp (9) FloraRespawnFix.esp (10) Weather Tweaks.esp (11) Immersive Potions.esp (12) Hardcore Lockpicking1-12.esp (13) CustomDifficulty.esp (14) No More Stones.esp (15) Craftable Torches.esp (16) MehrunesRazorFivePercentKillChance.esp (17) Slightly Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp (18) HorseSpeedStam.esp (19) Cutting Room Floor.esp (20) Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp (21) TheChoiceIsYours.esp (22) Darkwater Crossing.esp (23) Whistling Mine.esp (24) Soljund's Sinkhole.esp (25) Shor's Stone.esp (26) Karthwasten.esp (27) Dragon Bridge.esp (28) HoldBorderBanners.esp (29) VariedGuards.esp (30) Delay-DLC.esp (31) Arrow Speed.esp (32) Thieves Guild Requirements.esp (33) Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp (34) Ish's Souls to Perks.esp (35) The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp (36) Volume Tweaks.esp (37) BooksBooksBooks.esp (38) RichMerchantsSkyrim_x2.esp (39) DynDOLOD.esp Saving light mod list: MODS Saved - objects: 306 INTV Saved - empty! FLOV Saved - objects: 1 STRV Saved - objects: 41 FORV Saved - empty! INTL Saved - empty! FLOL Saved - empty! STRL Saved - empty! FORL Saved - empty! PKGO Saved JSON Files: 5 JSON SaveFiles - Done External JSON Saved Save Done! Storage Saving... Saving mod list: (0) Skyrim.esm (1) Update.esm (2) Dawnguard.esm (3) HearthFires.esm (4) Dragonborn.esm (5) Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp (6) DynDOLOD.esm (7) SkyUI_SE.esp (8) Gildergreen Regrown.esp (9) FloraRespawnFix.esp (10) Weather Tweaks.esp (11) Immersive Potions.esp (12) Hardcore Lockpicking1-12.esp (13) CustomDifficulty.esp (14) No More Stones.esp (15) Craftable Torches.esp (16) MehrunesRazorFivePercentKillChance.esp (17) Slightly Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp (18) HorseSpeedStam.esp (19) Cutting Room Floor.esp (20) Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp (21) TheChoiceIsYours.esp (22) Darkwater Crossing.esp (23) Whistling Mine.esp (24) Soljund's Sinkhole.esp (25) Shor's Stone.esp (26) Karthwasten.esp (27) Dragon Bridge.esp (28) HoldBorderBanners.esp (29) VariedGuards.esp (30) Delay-DLC.esp (31) Arrow Speed.esp (32) Thieves Guild Requirements.esp (33) Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp (34) Ish's Souls to Perks.esp (35) The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp (36) Volume Tweaks.esp (37) BooksBooksBooks.esp (38) RichMerchantsSkyrim_x2.esp (39) DynDOLOD.esp Saving light mod list: MODS Saved - objects: 374 INTV Saved - empty! FLOV Saved - objects: 1 STRV Saved - objects: 76 FORV Saved - empty! INTL Saved - empty! FLOL Saved - empty! STRL Saved - empty! FORL Saved - empty! PKGO Saved JSON Files: 5 JSON SaveFiles - Done External JSON Saved Save Done! Storage Saving... Saving mod list: (0) Skyrim.esm (1) Update.esm (2) Dawnguard.esm (3) HearthFires.esm (4) Dragonborn.esm (5) Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp (6) DynDOLOD.esm (7) SkyUI_SE.esp (8) Gildergreen Regrown.esp (9) FloraRespawnFix.esp (10) Weather Tweaks.esp (11) Immersive Potions.esp (12) Hardcore Lockpicking1-12.esp (13) CustomDifficulty.esp (14) No More Stones.esp (15) Craftable Torches.esp (16) MehrunesRazorFivePercentKillChance.esp (17) Slightly Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp (18) HorseSpeedStam.esp (19) Cutting Room Floor.esp (20) Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp (21) TheChoiceIsYours.esp (22) Darkwater Crossing.esp (23) Whistling Mine.esp (24) Soljund's Sinkhole.esp (25) Shor's Stone.esp (26) Karthwasten.esp (27) Dragon Bridge.esp (28) HoldBorderBanners.esp (29) VariedGuards.esp (30) Delay-DLC.esp (31) Arrow Speed.esp (32) Thieves Guild Requirements.esp (33) Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp (34) Ish's Souls to Perks.esp (35) The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp (36) Volume Tweaks.esp (37) BooksBooksBooks.esp (38) RichMerchantsSkyrim_x2.esp (39) DynDOLOD.esp Saving light mod list: MODS Saved - objects: 346 INTV Saved - empty! FLOV Saved - objects: 1 STRV Saved - objects: 47 FORV Saved - empty! INTL Saved - empty! FLOL Saved - empty! STRL Saved - empty! FORL Saved - empty! PKGO Saved JSON Files: 5 JSON SaveFiles - Done External JSON Saved Save Done! Storage Saving... Saving mod list: (0) Skyrim.esm (1) Update.esm (2) Dawnguard.esm (3) HearthFires.esm (4) Dragonborn.esm (5) Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp (6) DynDOLOD.esm (7) SkyUI_SE.esp (8) Gildergreen Regrown.esp (9) FloraRespawnFix.esp (10) Weather Tweaks.esp (11) Immersive Potions.esp (12) Hardcore Lockpicking1-12.esp (13) CustomDifficulty.esp (14) No More Stones.esp (15) Craftable Torches.esp (16) MehrunesRazorFivePercentKillChance.esp (17) Slightly Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp (18) HorseSpeedStam.esp (19) Cutting Room Floor.esp (20) Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp (21) TheChoiceIsYours.esp (22) Darkwater Crossing.esp (23) Whistling Mine.esp (24) Soljund's Sinkhole.esp (25) Shor's Stone.esp (26) Karthwasten.esp (27) Dragon Bridge.esp (28) HoldBorderBanners.esp (29) VariedGuards.esp (30) Delay-DLC.esp (31) Arrow Speed.esp (32) Thieves Guild Requirements.esp (33) Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp (34) Ish's Souls to Perks.esp (35) The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp (36) Volume Tweaks.esp (37) BooksBooksBooks.esp (38) RichMerchantsSkyrim_x2.esp (39) DynDOLOD.esp Saving light mod list: MODS Saved - objects: 337 INTV Saved - empty! FLOV Saved - objects: 1 STRV Saved - objects: 12 FORV Saved - empty! INTL Saved - empty! FLOL Saved - empty! STRL Saved - empty! FORL Saved - empty! PKGO Saved JSON Files: 5 JSON SaveFiles - Done External JSON Saved Save Done! Storage Saving... Saving mod list: (0) Skyrim.esm (1) Update.esm (2) Dawnguard.esm (3) HearthFires.esm (4) Dragonborn.esm (5) Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp (6) DynDOLOD.esm (7) SkyUI_SE.esp (8) Gildergreen Regrown.esp (9) FloraRespawnFix.esp (10) Weather Tweaks.esp (11) Immersive Potions.esp (12) Hardcore Lockpicking1-12.esp (13) CustomDifficulty.esp (14) No More Stones.esp (15) Craftable Torches.esp (16) MehrunesRazorFivePercentKillChance.esp (17) Slightly Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp (18) HorseSpeedStam.esp (19) Cutting Room Floor.esp (20) Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp (21) TheChoiceIsYours.esp (22) Darkwater Crossing.esp (23) Whistling Mine.esp (24) Soljund's Sinkhole.esp (25) Shor's Stone.esp (26) Karthwasten.esp (27) Dragon Bridge.esp (28) HoldBorderBanners.esp (29) VariedGuards.esp (30) Delay-DLC.esp (31) Arrow Speed.esp (32) Thieves Guild Requirements.esp (33) Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp (34) Ish's Souls to Perks.esp (35) The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp (36) Volume Tweaks.esp (37) BooksBooksBooks.esp (38) RichMerchantsSkyrim_x2.esp (39) DynDOLOD.esp Saving light mod list: MODS Saved - objects: 381 INTV Saved - empty! FLOV Saved - objects: 1 STRV Saved - objects: 17 FORV Saved - empty! INTL Saved - empty! FLOL Saved - empty! STRL Saved - empty! FORL Saved - empty! PKGO Saved JSON Files: 5 JSON SaveFiles - Done External JSON Saved Save Done! [spoiler=PapyrusUtilDev.log from when I started the game, 20 minutes in.]Loading Version: 36 Init... Plugin::InitPlugin() - 1 -done Registering functions... -done Storage Reverting... - Mod List - StorageUtil: Values - StorageUtil: Lists - Package Overrides - JSON Files - Re-Init Done! Storage Loading... MODS Load Loading mod list: (0 -> 0) Skyrim.esm (1 -> 1) Update.esm (2 -> 2) Dawnguard.esm (3 -> 3) HearthFires.esm (4 -> 4) Dragonborn.esm (5 -> 5) Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp (6 -> 7) SkyUI_SE.esp (7 -> 8) Gildergreen Regrown.esp (8 -> 19) Cutting Room Floor.esp (9 -> 20) Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp (10 -> 21) TheChoiceIsYours.esp (11 -> 22) Darkwater Crossing.esp (12 -> 23) Whistling Mine.esp (13 -> 24) Soljund's Sinkhole.esp (14 -> 28) HoldBorderBanners.esp (15 -> 37) BooksBooksBooks.esp (16 -> 9) FloraRespawnFix.esp (17 -> 15) Craftable Torches.esp (18 -> 13) CustomDifficulty.esp (19 -> 12) Hardcore Lockpicking1-12.esp (20 -> 11) Immersive Potions.esp (21 -> 16) MehrunesRazorFivePercentKillChance.esp (22 -> 255) Moved Droppable Stones.esp (23 -> 17) Slightly Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp (24 -> 29) VariedGuards.esp (25 -> 10) Weather Tweaks.esp (26 -> 18) HorseSpeedStam.esp (27 -> 30) Delay-DLC.esp (28 -> 33) Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp Loading light mod list: unhandled type 4C494D44 Done! JSON Loading: Data/SKSE/Plugins/StorageUtilData/DynDOLOD_Worlds.json JSON Loading: Data/SKSE/Plugins/StorageUtilData/DynDOLOD_.json JSON: File does not exist, init empty root object... JSON Loading: Data/SKSE/Plugins/StorageUtilData/DynDOLOD_.json JSON: File does not exist, init empty root object... JSON Loading: Data/SKSE/Plugins/StorageUtilData/DynDOLOD__Objects.json JSON: File does not exist, init empty root object... JSON Loading: Data/SKSE/Plugins/StorageUtilData/DynDOLOD__Objects.json JSON: File does not exist, init empty root object... Storage Saving... Saving mod list: (0) Skyrim.esm (1) Update.esm (2) Dawnguard.esm (3) HearthFires.esm (4) Dragonborn.esm (5) Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp (6) DynDOLOD.esm (7) SkyUI_SE.esp (8) Gildergreen Regrown.esp (9) FloraRespawnFix.esp (10) Weather Tweaks.esp (11) Immersive Potions.esp (12) Hardcore Lockpicking1-12.esp (13) CustomDifficulty.esp (14) No More Stones.esp (15) Craftable Torches.esp (16) MehrunesRazorFivePercentKillChance.esp (17) Slightly Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp (18) HorseSpeedStam.esp (19) Cutting Room Floor.esp (20) Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp (21) TheChoiceIsYours.esp (22) Darkwater Crossing.esp (23) Whistling Mine.esp (24) Soljund's Sinkhole.esp (25) Shor's Stone.esp (26) Karthwasten.esp (27) Dragon Bridge.esp (28) HoldBorderBanners.esp (29) VariedGuards.esp (30) Delay-DLC.esp (31) Arrow Speed.esp (32) Thieves Guild Requirements.esp (33) Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp (34) Ish's Souls to Perks.esp (35) The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp (36) Volume Tweaks.esp (37) BooksBooksBooks.esp (38) RichMerchantsSkyrim_x2.esp (39) DynDOLOD.esp Saving light mod list: MODS Saved - empty! INTV Saved - empty! FLOV Saved - empty! STRV Saved - empty! FORV Saved - empty! INTL Saved - empty! FLOL Saved - empty! STRL Saved - empty! FORL Saved - empty! PKGO Saved JSON Files: 3 JSON SaveFiles - Done External JSON Saved Save Done! JSON Loading: Data/SKSE/Plugins/StorageUtilData/DynDOLOD_Tamriel.json JSON Loading: Data/SKSE/Plugins/StorageUtilData/DynDOLOD_Tamriel_Objects.json Storage Saving... Saving mod list: (0) Skyrim.esm (1) Update.esm (2) Dawnguard.esm (3) HearthFires.esm (4) Dragonborn.esm (5) Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp (6) DynDOLOD.esm (7) SkyUI_SE.esp (8) Gildergreen Regrown.esp (9) FloraRespawnFix.esp (10) Weather Tweaks.esp (11) Immersive Potions.esp (12) Hardcore Lockpicking1-12.esp (13) CustomDifficulty.esp (14) No More Stones.esp (15) Craftable Torches.esp (16) MehrunesRazorFivePercentKillChance.esp (17) Slightly Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp (18) HorseSpeedStam.esp (19) Cutting Room Floor.esp (20) Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp (21) TheChoiceIsYours.esp (22) Darkwater Crossing.esp (23) Whistling Mine.esp (24) Soljund's Sinkhole.esp (25) Shor's Stone.esp (26) Karthwasten.esp (27) Dragon Bridge.esp (28) HoldBorderBanners.esp (29) VariedGuards.esp (30) Delay-DLC.esp (31) Arrow Speed.esp (32) Thieves Guild Requirements.esp (33) Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp (34) Ish's Souls to Perks.esp (35) The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp (36) Volume Tweaks.esp (37) BooksBooksBooks.esp (38) RichMerchantsSkyrim_x2.esp (39) DynDOLOD.esp Saving light mod list: MODS Saved - objects: 122 INTV Saved - empty! FLOV Saved - objects: 1 STRV Saved - objects: 25 FORV Saved - empty! INTL Saved - empty! FLOL Saved - empty! STRL Saved - empty! FORL Saved - empty! PKGO Saved JSON Files: 5 JSON SaveFiles - Done External JSON Saved Save Done! Storage Saving... Saving mod list: (0) Skyrim.esm (1) Update.esm (2) Dawnguard.esm (3) HearthFires.esm (4) Dragonborn.esm (5) Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp (6) DynDOLOD.esm (7) SkyUI_SE.esp (8) Gildergreen Regrown.esp (9) FloraRespawnFix.esp (10) Weather Tweaks.esp (11) Immersive Potions.esp (12) Hardcore Lockpicking1-12.esp (13) CustomDifficulty.esp (14) No More Stones.esp (15) Craftable Torches.esp (16) MehrunesRazorFivePercentKillChance.esp (17) Slightly Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp (18) HorseSpeedStam.esp (19) Cutting Room Floor.esp (20) Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp (21) TheChoiceIsYours.esp (22) Darkwater Crossing.esp (23) Whistling Mine.esp (24) Soljund's Sinkhole.esp (25) Shor's Stone.esp (26) Karthwasten.esp (27) Dragon Bridge.esp (28) HoldBorderBanners.esp (29) VariedGuards.esp (30) Delay-DLC.esp (31) Arrow Speed.esp (32) Thieves Guild Requirements.esp (33) Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp (34) Ish's Souls to Perks.esp (35) The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp (36) Volume Tweaks.esp (37) BooksBooksBooks.esp (38) RichMerchantsSkyrim_x2.esp (39) DynDOLOD.esp Saving light mod list: MODS Saved - objects: 221 INTV Saved - empty! FLOV Saved - objects: 1 STRV Saved - objects: 45 FORV Saved - empty! INTL Saved - empty! FLOL Saved - empty! STRL Saved - empty! FORL Saved - empty! PKGO Saved JSON Files: 5 JSON SaveFiles - Done External JSON Saved Save Done! Storage Saving... 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Played for a good few hours with no issues so far. I did check the PapyrusUtilDev.log and noticed these entries. Do you see anything out of order?

No conflicts or overwrites. I've regenerated LOD with the latest resources and gone back to PapyrusUtil. So far everything seems to be working and there are no errors in the PapyrusUtilDev.log file. Gonna play for a few hours tonight so I'll report back if I see any oddities.

I'm still getting those errors on a new game. I've triple checked that my installation is exactly as it would be had I originally started with DynDOLOD.dll. I've regenerated from scratch after reinstalling DynDOLOD + Resources just to make sure nothing is out of place.

I started a new game via 'coc whiterun' did a bit of fast travelling between cities and I'm getting a similar list of errors in the log. I'm almost certain I migrated correctly and also regenerated lod from scratch but I'll try again just to be sure.

I did wonder if the water was a vanilla glitch. I was also seeing the vanilla whiterun LOD glitch a lot during that session. Are those empty array messages in the log file anything to worry about?

I noticed I was still getting a couple of the stuck lights and also a strange glitch where LOD water is significantly darker. After checking my Dyndolod.log I noticed these entries. I'm pretty sure I've properly followed the procedure for migrating to DynDOLOD.DLL. Anything to worry about here?

Since using the DLL (no freezes yet) I've suddenly started getting very bright light sources, which I assume are the LOD lights remaining loaded. Any idea what's happening here? I can quit and reload to fix the issue but after a few fast travels they always come back. *edit* Ahh, hang on. RTFM moment. I didn't properly follow the procedure for changing between the DLL and PapyrusUtil.

Thanks Sheson. Running a lightly modded SE so I don't know of any essential optimisations that I'd need to use. I'll give the DLL a try.

I did a fresh generation + clean save and the fast travel issue seems to be completely fixed but I have experienced a couple of random freezes while walking around. These are the kind of crashes where the game freezes but the music keeps playing. I've spent a lot of time trying but I can't repeat one of these crashes. The only other plugin I suspect could cause such an issue would be the TVDT culling data mod. I'm going to disable this for now and see how things go but I was wondering if you had any thoughts on what could be causing the freezes. Thanks!

Should a completely new generation from scratch be treated any differently to an updated generation? Clean save?

I decided to add a few of Arthmoor's settlement mods but I've had an issue with a crash after regenerating LOD. I left the existing files in place and let DynDOLOD update them. Overwrote the files in my Skyrim folder with the updated ones and then loaded a save from an interior cell. Everything seems ok until I fast travel to one of the newly modded locations (Shors Stone for example) and got an immediate drop to desktop. Reverting back to the old DynDOLOD files and visiting the locations is absolutely fine. Is there any specific procedure when regenerating LOD? I've read that a clean save is needed for a version update but not a regeneration.

Ahh ok. Thanks for the info