STEP:Core Proposal/E: Difference between revisions

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Arguments

Template:No This mod does not fix any problems, and the changes it makes are not a clear improvement over vanilla. Many players may find it unnecessary or even immersion-breaking. (kryptopyr)

Agree. It is an immersion breaker. ~z929669

Talk 00:36, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Votes

Template:No Kryptopyr (talk) 09:05, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No Techangel85 (talk) 09:24, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No ~z929669

Talk 00:37, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 23:47, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No Neovalen

Better Dialogue Controls

Arguments

Template:Yes Improves dialogue controls on the PC (tech)

Votes

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 11:42, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 09:09, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes ~z929669

Talk 00:43, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 23:48, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Neovalen

Better MessageBox Controls

Arguments

Template:Yes Allows menu navigation via the keyboard and improves clickable area of buttons.

Votes

Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 09:09, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 09:28, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes ~z929669

Talk 00:43, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 23:48, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Neovalen

Categorized Favorites Menu

Arguments

Template:No Pending the release of SkyUI 4.0, which has a more vanilla-friendly favorites menu with many of the same features and without the need for an extra mod (or two), I would vote this one out completely. Link to Gopher's Preview (Tech)
Template:Yes Compatible with SkyUI as long as you disable a feature in SkyUI's MCM menu.
Template:No This is an addon for which there are many options, and by that alone should be moved to a pack. -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 23:50, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Votes

Template:No Techangel85 (talk) 09:44, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes (for now) ~z929669

Talk 00:45, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No Thecompiler (talk) 00:55, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 23:50, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No Kryptopyr (talk) 15:57, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No Neovalen

CFM-Oni Edition

Arguments

Template:No If above is removed, no need for this mod.
Template:No Same reason as above. -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 23:50, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Votes

Template:No Techangel85 (talk) 09:50, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes (for now) ~z929669

Talk 00:46, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No Thecompiler (talk) 00:55, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 23:51, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No Kryptopyr (talk) 15:57, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No Neovalen

Disease Descriptions

Arguments

Template:No Adds descriptions of the disease you may be affected by. This is not lore/vanilla-friendly. Unless the PC is an alchemist, a doctor, or the illness is common (such as a cold) it is unlikely the PC will know the details this mod adds. (Tech)

Votes

Template:No Techangel85 (talk) 10:06, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No ~z929669

Talk 00:47, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Dungeon Quest Awareness

Arguments

Template:No I'm not certain exactly which quests this mod "fixed," but I suspect that most of the quests that could be broken by discovering the location prior to starting the quest have now been fixed by USKP in a much more immersion-friendly manner. (kryptopyr)

One of the experienced admin (Neo or William), this mod needs to be compared to USKP for conflicts, fixes for each, and whether it is or isn't needed anymore (it's over a year old without being updated). (Tech)

Votes

Template:No Kryptopyr (talk) 09:21, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No ~z929669

Talk 00:48, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 23:52, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No Neovalen

High Quality 3D Map

Arguments

Template:Yes HD improvement from vanilla

Votes

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 10:34, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes ~z929669

Talk 00:48, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Thecompiler (talk) 01:00, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 23:52, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 15:58, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Neovalen

Immersive HUD

Arguments

Template:No Hides the vanilla HUD elements making it unfriendly to vanilla (Tech)

Votes

Template:No Techangel85 (talk) 10:42, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No ~z929669

Talk 00:49, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 23:54, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No Neovalen

Interface Key Tweaks

Arguments

Provides more user control and options. Does not take away anything, only gives options. Should be considered more a utility than anything else. ~z929669 Talk 00:50, June 9, 2013 (MDT)
Template:Yes I'm voting (no) for Core STEP, but (yes) for being moved to utilities so it's an optional mod. This is not the only mod out there that does this and this could conflict with pack mods.(Tech)
Though I have not tested them, I am indeed seeing a lot of available mods. This greatly increases the likelyhood of conflicts so should not be a part of STEP:Core. -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 23:57, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Votes

Template:Yes ~z929669

Talk 00:50, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes (agree with Tech) Thecompiler (talk) 00:56, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No (see condition above) Techangel85 (talk) 20:36, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 23:58, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No Neovalen

Lockpicking Interface

Arguments

Template:No I've never felt that this mod was an improvement over vanilla. (kryptopyr)
Template:Yes Straight texture replacement from vanilla.
I stopped installing this awhile ago personally. -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 23:58, June 9, 2013 (MDT)
Template:Yes I've felt the vanilla lock was way too modern looking for the setting. (Neo)

Votes

Template:No Kryptopyr (talk) 09:13, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 10:53, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No ~z929669

Talk 00:51, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No Thecompiler (talk) 00:57, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 23:59, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Neovalen

Lore-Based Loading Screens

Arguments

Template:No Unnecessary change that takes up an .esp slot. I like this mod, but I don't believe it belongs in Core STEP. (kryptopyr)
I agree with krytopyr. -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 23:59, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Votes

Template:No Kryptopyr (talk) 09:16, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No Techangel85 (talk) 10:59, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No ~z929669

Talk 00:52, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 23:59, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Main Font Replacement

Arguments

Template:No Can create clipping and run off issues, as well as size and legibility issues (granted some fonts are worse than others, but none of them are a clear improvement over vanilla, just something different). (kryptopyr)
Template:Yes Does not use a plugin slot & vanilla fonts are a lot more 'modern' than in previous TES games. I vote that Magic Cards be the new norm. No issues with that one. ~z929669 Talk 00:55, June 9, 2013 (MDT)
Template:No This falls into the category of major change from vanilla, and choice of font is always going to be subjective for users. -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 23:47, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Votes

Template:No Kryptopyr (talk) 09:29, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No Techangel85 (talk) 10:59, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes ~z929669

Talk 00:55, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 23:46, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

No Boring Wait Menu

Arguments

Template:No Menu is not vanilla-friendly (Tech)
Template:Yes Allows for an increased and easy wait time; however, that's rarely needed during actual play and mainly for mod troubleshooting, most of the time (Tech)
While I like what the mod does, it's interface is too drastic. -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:00, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Votes

Template:No Techangel85 (talk) 11:07, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No ~z929669

Talk 00:56, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No Kryptopyr (talk) 07:18, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:01, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

No Menu & Loading Smoke

Arguments

Template:No Diverts from vanilla and no reason to use for ENB since the addition of the "ignore loading screens" feature in ENB.

Votes

Template:No Techangel85 (talk) 11:43, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No WilliamImm (talk) 21:51, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No Kryptopyr (talk) 09:30, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No ~z929669

Talk 00:58, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:01, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Quality World Map

Arguments

Template:Yes HD improvement from vanilla

Votes

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 11:11, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Thecompiler (talk) 00:58, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes ~z929669

Talk 00:59, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 07:18, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:01, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Race Menu

Arguments

Template:Yes Core option is an interface improvement.

Votes

Template:Yes (but not any of the options)~z929669

Talk 01:00, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 07:16, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes (undecided) Techangel85 (talk) 01:09, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Skill Interface

Arguments

Template:No Adds real photo of stars rather than painted textures
Template:No No HD replacement for perk lines
Template:Yes HD replacement for constellations
Template:Yes Much better quality than the vanilla Skill Interface, and the user can choose a near-vanilla version if they want (William)
There is a set selection that is vanilla friendly, and definitely an improvement. -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:02, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Votes

Template:No Techangel85 (talk) 11:17, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes WilliamImm (talk) 12:01, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes ~z929669

Talk 01:00, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 07:13, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:03, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

SkyUI

Arguments

Template:Yes Vast improvement of the UI for PC (Tech)

Votes

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 11:44, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 09:31, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes ~z929669

Talk 01:01, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:03, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Thecompiler (talk) 13:55, June 12, 2013 (MDT)

Not Another Colored Map Icon Mod

Arguments

Template:No Debatable whether this is an improvement over vanilla, but I don't feel that it is. (kryptopyr)

Votes

Template:No Kryptopyr (talk) 09:41, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No Thecompiler (talk) 01:01, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No ~z929669

Talk 01:02, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No Techangel85 (talk) 20:38, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:04, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Smaller Cursor

Arguments

Template:No maybe too small for some people; not necessary and vanilla is not bad at all. ~z929669 Talk 01:04, June 9, 2013 (MDT)
This falls into the area of subjectivity for users anyways, and such things should be left to packs. -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:05, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Votes

Template:No Thecompiler (talk) 01:02, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No ~z929669

Talk 01:05, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No Kryptopyr (talk) 07:12, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No Techangel85 (talk) 20:38, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:04, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Spinning Skyrim Emblem

Arguments

Template:No No reason to even have this besides saying, "it's cool". (Tech)

Votes

Template:No Techangel85 (talk) 11:44, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No Kryptopyr (talk) 09:32, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No ~z929669

Talk 01:05, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:05, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Time On Loading Screen

Arguments

Template:No If you really need to check the time without leaving the game, use a watch or a phone. Really doesn't add much...

Votes

Template:No WilliamImm (talk) 21:50, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No Kryptopyr (talk) 09:32, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No ~z929669

Talk 01:05, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No Techangel85 (talk) 20:39, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:05, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Unique Region Names

Arguments

Template:No Not very keen on the implementation in v5 - overwrites a *lot* of worldspace records. Either revert to v3 or remove.

Votes

Template:No WilliamImm (talk) 21:49, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No Thecompiler (talk) 01:04, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No ~z929669

Talk 01:06, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No Techangel85 (talk) 20:40, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:06, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Unknown Enchants

Arguments

Template:Yes A PC would never forget an enchantment that he/she knows. The player might, but not the character being controlled. I think this corrects and oversight. ~z929669 Talk 01:09, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Votes

Template:Yes ~z929669

Talk 01:10, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Thecompiler (talk) 02:15, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 07:11, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 20:40, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:06, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

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 : {{no}} -- [[User:Stoppingby4now|Stoppingby4now]] ([[User talk:Stoppingby4now|talk]]) 23:47, June 9, 2013 (MDT)
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 : {{yes}} -- [[User:Stoppingby4now|Stoppingby4now]] ([[User talk:Stoppingby4now|talk]]) 23:48, June 9, 2013 (MDT)
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 : {{yes}} -- [[User:Stoppingby4now|Stoppingby4now]] ([[User talk:Stoppingby4now|talk]]) 23:48, June 9, 2013 (MDT)
+: {{yes}} [[User:Neovalen|Neovalen]]
 == [[Categorized Favorites Menu]] ==
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 : {{no}} -- [[User:Stoppingby4now|Stoppingby4now]] ([[User talk:Stoppingby4now|talk]]) 23:50, June 9, 2013 (MDT)
 : {{no}} [[User:Kryptopyr|Kryptopyr]] ([[User talk:Kryptopyr|talk]]) 15:57, June 10, 2013 (MDT)
+: {{no}} [[User:Neovalen|Neovalen]]
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 : {{no}} -- [[User:Stoppingby4now|Stoppingby4now]] ([[User talk:Stoppingby4now|talk]]) 23:51, June 9, 2013 (MDT)
 : {{no}} [[User:Kryptopyr|Kryptopyr]] ([[User talk:Kryptopyr|talk]]) 15:57, June 10, 2013 (MDT)
+: {{no}} [[User:Neovalen|Neovalen]]
 == [[Disease Descriptions]] ==
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 : {{no}} -- [[User:Stoppingby4now|Stoppingby4now]] ([[User talk:Stoppingby4now|talk]]) 23:52, June 9, 2013 (MDT)
+: {{no}} [[User:Neovalen|Neovalen]]
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 : {{yes}} -- [[User:Stoppingby4now|Stoppingby4now]] ([[User talk:Stoppingby4now|talk]]) 23:52, June 9, 2013 (MDT)
 : {{yes}} [[User:Kryptopyr|Kryptopyr]] ([[User talk:Kryptopyr|talk]]) 15:58, June 10, 2013 (MDT)
+: {{yes}} [[User:Neovalen|Neovalen]]
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 : {{no}} -- [[User:Stoppingby4now|Stoppingby4now]] ([[User talk:Stoppingby4now|talk]]) 23:54, June 9, 2013 (MDT)
+: {{no}} [[User:Neovalen|Neovalen]]
 == [[Interface Key Tweaks]] ==
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 : {{no}} (see condition above) [[User:Techangel85|Techangel85]] ([[User talk:Techangel85|talk]]) 20:36, June 9, 2013 (MDT)
 : {{no}} -- [[User:Stoppingby4now|Stoppingby4now]] ([[User talk:Stoppingby4now|talk]]) 23:58, June 9, 2013 (MDT)
+: {{no}} [[User:Neovalen|Neovalen]]
 == [[Lockpicking Interface]] ==
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 * {{yes}} Straight texture replacement from vanilla.
 * I stopped installing this awhile ago personally. -- [[User:Stoppingby4now|Stoppingby4now]] ([[User talk:Stoppingby4now|talk]]) 23:58, June 9, 2013 (MDT)
+* {{yes}} I've felt the vanilla lock was way too modern looking for the setting. (Neo)
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 : {{no}} [[User:Thecompiler|Thecompiler]] ([[User talk:Thecompiler|talk]]) 00:57, June 9, 2013 (MDT)
 : {{no}} -- [[User:Stoppingby4now|Stoppingby4now]] ([[User talk:Stoppingby4now|talk]]) 23:59, June 9, 2013 (MDT)
+: {{yes}} [[User:Neovalen|Neovalen]]
 == [[Lore-Based Loading Screens]] ==