STEP:Core Proposal: Difference between revisions

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In order to collect everyone's thoughts in one place (and make sure everyone has the correct Wiki editing privileges), here's a list of all the mods in v2.2.6. Make sure you use the sectional "Edit" links or you'll surely have trouble finding the right place to edit. Doing small edits will also (hopefully) prevent a lot of edit conflicts.

On this page, Template:Yes will represent the mod being added to Core STEP while Template:No represents adding the mod to Full STEP. For a better understanding of what Core STEP should consist of, read these posts (and this one).

Under Arguments, bring up any reason to go one way or the other and precede them with either "Template:Tl" or "Template:Tl" to generate the icon.
Under Votes, sign with either "Template:Tl ~~~~" or "Template:Tl ~~~~" (four tildes creates a signature) signifying your opinion on whether the mod should be Core or not.

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Ancient Nord Armor Fix

Arguments

Template:Yes Obvious fix to a Vanilla bug/error.

Votes

Template:Yes ~Farlo

Talk 13:46, June 5, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Stoppingby4now (talk) 14:52, June 5, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 11:37, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes ~z929669

Talk 22:55, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 05:44, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Appropriately Attired Jarls

Arguments

Template:No Uninstall note on the mods page:

The nature of Skyrim’s scripting language, Papyrus, means that, even following this procedure, your Papyrus log will continue to throw errors about missing scripts, potentially leading to save game bloat. There is, lamentably, nothing that I can do about this -- you have been warned.

Template:Yes I've not made a decision yet on this mod, but I'd like to raise a few points. One, has anyone actually tried uninstalling the mod to see if the papyrus log does throw errors? I know the author mentions it, but I've seen other mods where the warnings seem more dire than the actual reality of the situation. I've taken a look at how this mod was made (the source files were included in the bsa), and it seems very clean. It doesn't make changes or add scripts to existing references, (it uses newly created quests & aliases to apply changes) and none of the scripts have an Update call. The sort of things that I've generally been told to look out for in scripts added by mods don't seem to be present in this mod. Two, if this mod is creating errors on uninstall and we nix it for that reason, then we probably need to evaluate every single mod that contains scripts to make certain they don't also do this. I highly doubt that the issue is specific to this mod, and I don't want to see this mod get removed while we simultaneously decide to keep other mods that create the same issue (but whose mod authors weren't aware of or didn't feel the need to warn others about it). Three, doesn't SKSE's ClearInvalidRegistrations=1 correct just this sort of problem? Maybe the better solution is to include this fix in the guide. Kryptopyr (talk) 06:55, June 8, 2013 (MDT) I think this warrants being tested (Tech).

Votes

Template:No Stoppingby4now (talk) 14:56, June 5, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No Techangel85 (talk) 11:37, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No ~z929669

Talk 23:06, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Argonian Decapitation Fix

Arguments

Template:Yes Simple mesh fix, nothing else to it.

Votes

Template:Yes Farlo

Talk 22:38, June 5, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 11:38, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:55, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes WilliamImm (talk) 21:47, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes ~z929669

Talk 23:06, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 05:52, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Bowlegged Jump Fix

Arguments

Template:Yes Simple animation fix

Votes

Template:Yes ~Farlo

Talk 22:40, June 5, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 11:38, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes ~z929669

Talk 23:06, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 05:42, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Brawl Bugs Patch

Arguments

Template:Yes Required for a couple other mods.
Template:No However, if we are keeping Enhanced Blood Textures, that mod seems to overwrite this one completely (and includes fixes from this mod). (William)

Votes

Template:Yes ~Farlo

Talk 22:48, June 5, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 11:39, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes ~z929669

Talk 23:06, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Consistent Older People

Arguments

Template:Yes Vanilla fix that was an oversight in development. (Tech)

Votes

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 22:22, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes ~z929669

Talk 23:06, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 07:24, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Cursor Fix

Arguments

Template:Yes This is an issue that has annoyed me for a long time! Clear fix. (Tech)

Votes

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 21:30, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes ~z929669

Talk 23:06, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 07:20, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Dead Body Collision

Arguments

Template:Yes Fixes missing collision in vanilla. Only recommend the optional "no spell" version as the main version isn't vanilla friendly because it adds a non-vanilla spell. (Tech)

Votes

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 22:48, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes ~z929669

Talk 23:06, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Dual Sheath Redux

Arguments

Template:Yes Corrects a vanilla oversight
Template:No Useful only in third person, conflicts with vanilla skeleton and potentially many other mods ... too complex a change for Core STEP
Template:No Known issue #2 (Tech)

Votes

Template:No ~z929669

Talk 23:06, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No Techangel85 (talk) 23:30, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Elys AltF4

Arguments

Template:Yes Essentially this is built into most Windows programs. Why it wasn't built into Skyrim is a mystery. Alt+F4 is the standard close key combination in Windows 8 and is used often. (Tech)
Template:Yes Also, this plugin allows multimedia function keys (ie: volume up/down) to be used in-game. As a additional effect. (William)

Votes

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 11:40, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes WilliamImm (talk) 21:52, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes ~z929669

Talk 23:06, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 07:28, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Fast Travel Timescale Fix

Arguments

Template:Yes An obvious fix
Template:No A whole plugin slot for this one simple fix? (Seems like this should be able to be done via an INI tweak ~Tech)

Votes

Template:Yes (for now) ~z929669

Talk 23:17, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 23:34, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Fuz Ro D'oh

Arguments

Template:Yes Fixes missing voice/lip movement aspects of the game. (Tech)

Votes

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 23:50, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 08:36, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Nitpick

Arguments

Template:Yes Fixes some game limitations. (Tech)

Votes

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 23:41, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 07:53, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Skyrim Project Optimization

Arguments

Template:Yes Actually boosts game's performance on some systems. (Tech)
Template:Yes Add occlusion planes missing from vanilla, no conflicts, no reason to not include it. (Tech)

Votes

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 11:42, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 07:47, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Tail Twist Fix

Arguments

Template:Yes While unlikely to come up for anyone other than Argonian/beast race players, the fix it does is obvious for those. No conflicts with any other mods as well.

Votes

Template:Yes WilliamImm (talk) 16:02, June 5, 2013 (MDT)
Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 11:40, June 7, 2013 (MDT)
Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 07:55, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Unofficial Skyrim Patch

Arguments

Votes

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 00:25, June 7, 2013 (CST)
Template:Yes Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:56, June 7, 2013 (MDT)
Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 07:30, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Unofficial Dawnguard Patch

Arguments

Votes

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 00:25, June 7, 2013 (CST)
Template:Yes Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:56, June 7, 2013 (MDT)
Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 07:30, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Unofficial Hearthfire Patch

Arguments

Votes

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 00:26, June 7, 2013 (CST)
Template:Yes Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:57, June 7, 2013 (MDT)
Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 07:30, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Unofficial Dragonborn Patch

Arguments

Votes

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 00:26, June 7, 2013 (CST)
Template:Yes Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:57, June 7, 2013 (MDT)
Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 07:31, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Unofficial High Resolution Patch

Arguments

Votes

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 00:27, June 7, 2013 (CST)
Template:Yes Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:57, June 7, 2013 (MDT)
Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 07:31, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Acquisitive Soul Gems

Arguments

Template:Yes Fixes soul trapping, vanilla bug where gems lose their charge, corrects black soul gems use to line up with indicated use from game texts. (Tech)
Template:Yes Also fixes the issue where player-filled gems didn't change in price and remained priced the same as an empty gem. (kryptopyr)
Template:No I just want to point out that this mod does make a non-lore-friendly change in only permitting souls to be captured by white soul gems of correct size. This is inconsistent with the way that soul gems have worked in Oblivion and Morrowind as well as Skyrim, and therefore, I believe this was an intentional choice made by Bethesda and not an oversight. However, I personally feel that the bug fixes made by this mod are significant enough to warrant overlooking this in favor of including the mod in Core STEP. (kryptopyr)

Votes

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 00:00, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 08:33, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Distant Decal Fix

Arguments

Template:Yes Fixes vanilla bug with distant decals disappearing at short distances by use of meshes. (Tech)
Template:Yes No performance loss using this instead of the INI tweak which has a performance hit.
Template:No However, could be superseded by the USKP? (William)

Votes

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 00:08, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 08:46, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Even Better Quest Objectives

Arguments

Template:Yes Vanilla quest objectives were really horrible.

Votes

Template:Yes WilliamImm (talk) 08:50, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Realistic Ragdolls & Force

Arguments

Template:Yes Fixes vanilla's unrealistic force with weapons and spells. (Tech)
Template:No Conflicts with any mod altering skeleton.nif without a patch. (Tech)

Votes

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 00:31, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Maximum Skeleton

Arguments

Votes

Trade & Barter

Arguments

I don't know enough about this mod and it's changes to make an informed vote yet. (Tech)

Votes

Weapon & Armor Fixes

Arguments

I must read over all the changes to make sure they are consistent with vanilla before I can make an informed vote. (Tech)

Votes

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Altar Descriptions

Arguments

Template:No This mod does not fix any problems, and the changes it makes are not a clear improvement over vanilla. Many players may find it unnecessary or even immersion-breaking. (kryptopyr)

Votes

Template:No Kryptopyr (talk) 09:05, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No Techangel85 (talk) 09:24, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Better Dialogue Controls

Arguments

Template:Yes Improves dialogue controls on the PC (tech)

Votes

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 11:42, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 09:09, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Better MessageBox Controls

Arguments

Template:Yes Allows menu navigation via the keyboard and improves clickable area of buttons.

Votes

Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 09:09, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 09:28, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Categorized Favorites Menu

Arguments

Template:Yes Pending the release of SkyUI 4.0, which has a more vanilla-friendly favorites menu with many of the same features and without the need for an extra mod (or two), I would vote this one out completely. (Tech)

Votes

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 09:44, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

CFM-Oni Edition

Arguments

Votes

Disease Descriptions

Arguments

Votes

Dungeon Quest Awareness

Arguments

Template:No I'm not certain exactly which quests this mod "fixed," but I suspect that most of the quests that could be broken by discovering the location prior to starting the quest have now been fixed by USKP in a much more immersion-friendly manner. (kryptopyr)

Votes

Template:No Kryptopyr (talk) 09:21, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

High Quality 3D Map

Arguments

Votes

Immersive HUD

Arguments

Votes

Interface Key Tweaks

Arguments

Votes

Lockpicking Interface

Arguments

Template:No I've never felt that this mod was an improvement over vanilla. (kryptopyr)

Votes

Template:No Kryptopyr (talk) 09:13, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Lore-Based Loading Screens

Arguments

Template:No Unnecessary change that takes up an .esp slot. I like this mod, but I don't believe it belongs in Core STEP. (kryptopyr)

Votes

Template:No Kryptopyr (talk) 09:16, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Main Font Replacement

Arguments

Template:No Can create clipping and run off issues, as well as size and legibility issues (granted some fonts are worse than others, but none of them are a clear improvement over vanilla, just something different). (kryptopyr)

Votes

Template:No Kryptopyr (talk) 09:29, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

No Boring Wait Menu

Arguments

Votes

No Menu & Loading Smoke

Arguments

Template:No Diverts from vanilla and no reason to use for ENB since the addition of the "ignore loading screens" feature in ENB.

Votes

Template:No Techangel85 (talk) 11:43, June 7, 2013 (MDT)
Template:No WilliamImm (talk) 21:51, June 7, 2013 (MDT)
Template:No Kryptopyr (talk) 09:30, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Quality World Map

Arguments

Votes

Race Menu

Arguments

Votes

Skill Interface

Arguments

Votes

SkyUI

Arguments

Template:Yes Vast improvement of the UI for PC (Tech)

Votes

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 11:44, June 7, 2013 (MDT)
Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 09:31, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Not Another Colored Map Icon Mod

Arguments

Template:No Debatable whether this is an improvement over vanilla, but I don't feel that it is. (kryptopyr)

Votes

Template:No Kryptopyr (talk) 09:41, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Smaller Cursor

Arguments

Votes

Spinning Skyrim Emblem

Arguments

Template:No No reason to even have this besides saying, "it's cool". (Tech)

Votes

Template:No Techangel85 (talk) 11:44, June 7, 2013 (MDT)
Template:No Kryptopyr (talk) 09:32, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Time On Loading Screen

Arguments

Template:No If you really need to check the time without leaving the game, use a watch or a phone. Really doesn't add much...

Votes

Template:No WilliamImm (talk) 21:50, June 7, 2013 (MDT)
Template:No Kryptopyr (talk) 09:32, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Unique Region Names

Arguments

Template:No Not very keen on the implementation in v5 - overwrites a *lot* of worldspace records. Either revert to v3 or remove.

Votes

Template:No WilliamImm (talk) 21:49, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Unknown Enchants

Arguments

Votes

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HRDLC Optimized

Arguments

Template:Yes Does not deviate from vanilla style at all (in fact, they simply are optimized HRDLC resources). Also really useful to increase performance for low-VRAM users. (William)

Votes

Template:Yes WilliamImm (talk) 22:52, June 7, 2013 (MDT)
Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 09:36, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Better Dynamic Snow

Arguments

Votes

Detailed Chests

Arguments

Votes

No Stretching

Arguments

Votes

Ruins Clutter Improvement

Arguments

Votes

Better Rocks & Mountains

Arguments

Votes

Static Mesh Improvement Mod

Arguments

Votes

Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 09:37, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Skyrim HD

Arguments

Votes

Serious HD

Arguments

Votes

HD Miscellaneous Items

Arguments

Votes

Tobe's Hi-Res Textures

Arguments

Votes

Food & Ingredients

Arguments

Votes

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Snow & Rocks HD

Arguments

Votes

AOF Detailed Mountains

Arguments

Votes

AOF Farmhouses

Arguments

Votes

Skyrim Flora Overhaul

Arguments

Votes

Bumpy Inn & Shop Signs

Arguments

Votes

Chimneys for Skyrim

Arguments

Votes

Distant Detail

Arguments

Votes

Dragon Glyphs-Fixed

Arguments

Votes

Enhanced Night Skyrim

Arguments

Votes

Footprints

Arguments

Votes

HD Enhanced Terrain

Arguments

Votes

High Quality LODs

Arguments

Votes

Hybrid's Plants & Herbs

Arguments

Votes

Improved Puddles

Arguments

Votes

Lanterns Of Skyrim

Arguments

Template:No Clearly adds to vanilla without it being an oversight in development. This can break immersion for some; however, add it for others. Should be in the pack. (Tech)

Votes

Template:No Techangel85 (talk) 21:21, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Legible Road Signs

Arguments

Votes

Moon Size Tweaks

Arguments

Votes

Moss Rocks

Arguments

Votes

Point the Way

Arguments

Votes

Real Ice

Arguments

Votes

Realistic Mushrooms

Arguments

Votes

Realistic Tundra Moss

Arguments

Votes

Re-Defined Dungeons

Arguments

Votes

Trees HD

Arguments

Votes

Vibrant Auroras

Arguments

Votes

Visible Windows

Arguments

Votes

WATER

Arguments

Votes

Whiterun Trellis Redesigned

Arguments

Votes

Windmills Resized

Arguments

Votes

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Bellyache's Creature Pack

Arguments

Votes

101 Bugs

Arguments

Votes

Antz in my Pantz

Arguments

Votes

Realistic Hair

Arguments

Votes

AOF Believable Hair

Arguments

Votes

Beards

Arguments

Votes

Bellyache's Dragons

Arguments

Votes

Better Beast Races

Arguments

Votes

Better Freckles

Arguments

Votes

Birds & Flocks

Arguments

Votes

Birds of Skyrim

Arguments

Votes

Breathing Idles

Arguments

Votes

Brows

Arguments

Votes

Cover Khajiits

Arguments

Votes

Dawnguard Rewritten-Arvak

Arguments

Votes

Diverse Priests

Arguments

Votes

Female Vampires Have Fangs

Arguments

Votes

Frost Atronach HD

Arguments

Votes

Ice Wraith

Arguments

Votes

Improved Foot Wraps

Arguments

Votes

More Village Animals

Arguments

Votes

New Children

Arguments

Votes

Pond Fish

Arguments

Votes

Rabbits Plus

Arguments

Votes

Xenius Character Enhancement

Arguments

Votes

XCE-Dawnguard

Arguments

Votes

Better Male Feet

Arguments

Votes

Natural Eyes

Arguments

Votes

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Accingite Vos

Arguments

Votes

Better Circlets

Arguments

Votes

Book of Silence

Arguments

Votes

Daedric Armor & Weapons

Arguments

Votes

Explosive Bolts Visualized

Arguments

Votes

Closer Quivers & Longer Arrows

Arguments

Votes

Elemental Staffs

Arguments

Votes

Elven Weapons for Silence

Arguments

Votes

Weapon De-LARP Project

Arguments

Votes

Greatsword Sheaths & Scabbards

Arguments

Votes

Improved Closefaced Helmets

Arguments

Votes

Jewels of the Nord

Arguments

Votes

Nightingale Prime

Arguments

Votes

Not Really HD-Mask of Clavicus Vile

Arguments

Votes

Shield of Ysgramor

Arguments

Votes

Ultimate HD Torch

Arguments

Votes

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Animated Weapon Enchants

Arguments

Votes

Better Turn Animation

Arguments

Votes

Burn Freeze & Shock Effects

Arguments

Votes

Deadly Spell Impacts

Arguments

Votes

Dual Wield Blocking Animations

Arguments

Votes

Enchantment Effect Replacer

Arguments

Votes

Enhanced Blood

Arguments

Votes

Enhanced Projectile Soul Trap

Arguments

Votes

Finer Dust

Arguments

Votes

Improved Weapon Impact Effects

Arguments

Votes

Lightning During Thunder Storms

Arguments

Template:No Will conflict with certain weather mods so it should be in the pack. (Tech)

Votes

Template:No Techangel85 (talk) 21:18, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

No Spinning Death Animation

Arguments

Votes

New Idles for Skyrim

Arguments

Votes

Rainbows

Arguments

Votes

Realistic Smoke & Embers

Arguments

Votes

Rune Weapon FX

Arguments

Votes

Running With Bows

Arguments

Votes

Shooting Stars

Arguments

Votes

Skyrim Performance Plus

Arguments

Votes

Skyrim Sunglare

Arguments

Votes

Ultimate HD Fire Effects

Arguments

Votes

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The 418th Step

Arguments

Votes

Better Bones

Arguments

Votes

Better Shadowmarks

Arguments

Votes

Dark Brotherhood Tenets Restored

Arguments

Votes

Designs of the Nords

Arguments

Votes

Destructible Bottles

Arguments

Template:Yes Having bottles break when struck is both much more realistic and a good stress reliever.
Template:No Very buggy. Known to sometimes stop the Unrelenting Force shout from working, can cause bounties to raise inadvertently in certain places, and apparently causes save game bloat. Needs to be remade to be in STEP. (William - on my list to resurrect)

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 == [[Categorized Favorites Menu]] ==
 ==== Arguments ====
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+* {{yes}} Pending the release of SkyUI 4.0, which has a more vanilla-friendly favorites menu with many of the same features and without the need for an extra mod (or two), I would vote this one out completely. (Tech)
 ==== Votes ====
+: {{yes}} [[User:Techangel85|Techangel85]] ([[User talk:Techangel85|talk]]) 09:44, June 8, 2013 (MDT)
 == [[CFM-Oni Edition]] ==