Some NPC and inkeepers are missing dialogue

[strangerism]

Hi, I am having a problem with certain npc missing dialogue options. i.e. bartender/innkeepers not presenting any conversation option like sleep or buy rumors etc.

 

One jarl in Markhat had the buy house option gone or inkeepers are missing the rumors diagogue. 

 

Another example is the inkeeper in the Four Shields tavern in Dragon bridge. Could alternate start affects this sort of things? 

 

I have installed full SRLE as in STEP guide and Perkus Maximus, which required me to do some manual load order changes.

 

I have been suggested that my load order might be the cause and one way to verify was to, on a new game, to rush in Whiterun and see if Carlotta and Ysolde could give me the their quests which was the case anyway. Not sure if this rule could out the load order problem completely though.

 

I have noticed while doing the aforementioned test that in both cases (SRLE vanilla and SRLE  + PerMa) the cart rider in Riverwood don't have dialogue option albeit can't use his fast travel options.

 

this is my current load order for reference (apologies for the wall of text but I could not find how to put a spoiler tag)

 

 

 

# This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer.
Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp
Dawnguard.esm
Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp
HearthFires.esm
Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp
Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm
Falskaar.esm
Wyrmstooth.esp
EFFCore.esm
ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
RSkyrimChildren.esm
HighResTexturePack01.esp
HighResTexturePack02.esp
HighResTexturePack03.esp
Cutting Room Floor.esp
Auto Unequip Ammo.esp
Paralyze.esp
FISS.esp
SkyUI.esp
Extended UI.esp
AMatterOfTime.esp
iHUD.esp
AHZmoreHUD.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
RaceMenuOverlays.esp
UIExtensions.esp
towConversation.esp
Atlas Compass Tweaks.esp
EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
ELFX - Exteriors.esp
ELFX - Dragonborn.esp
RealisticRoomRental.esp
ELFX - Dawnguard.esp
Book Covers Skyrim.esp
Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
WetandCold.esp
Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp
Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
Chesko_Frostfall.esp
PerkusMaximus_Master.esp
Point The Way.esp
RealisticWaterTwo.esp
AOS.esp
Provincial Courier Service.esp
Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul Merged.esp
Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp
OBIS.esp
FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp
CoT-WeatherPatch.esp
Better Dynamic Snow.esp
Moss Rocks.esp
EpisodeParallax.esp
RUSTIC SOULGEMS - Unsorted.esp
AshRocks.esp
SulfurRocks.esp
mintylightningmod.esp
MintyLightningMod_COT_Patch.esp
MoonGlow.esp
Moss Rocks_DB.esp
Skyrim-Mapweatherfix.esp
WondersofWeather.esp
BFSEffects.esp
DeadlySpellImpacts.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
Footprints.esp
RSChildren - CRF Patch.esp
TheChoiceIsYours_Dragonborn.esp
Thieves Guild Requirements.esp
Convenient Horses.esp
ORM-Arvak.esp
ORM Convenient Alsvid.esp
83Willows_101BUGS_V4_HighRes.esp
DeadlyDragons.esp
Beards.esp
Brows.esp
The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp
NB-Scars.esp
DSAMG - Greybeard Fix.esp
DSAMG - Miraak Music Fixes.esp
dD-No Spinning Death Animation Merged.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
XPMSE.esp
GuardAnimationsGDO.esp
WetandCold - Ashes.esp
Dual Sheath Redux.esp
aMidianBorn_ContentAddon.esp
Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp
PerMa Expansion 1 - Wintermyst.esp
PerkusMaximus_Warrior.esp
PerkusMaximus_Thief.esp
PerkusMaximus_Mage.esp
BetterQuestObjectives.esp
EFFDialogue.esp
Vividian ENB.esp
Vividian ENB - Extended Weathers.esp
Vivid Snow.esp
RealShelter.esp
RRR_ELFX-Patch.esp
SkyrimCoinReplacerRedux.esp
Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp
Holidays.esp
RelightingSkyrim-FULL.esp
Complete Crafting_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp
High Level Enemies - SIC.esp
BFT Ships and Carriages.esp
RBB - SR Merge.esp
WAF_CCF_SIC Patch.esp
Cloaks.esp
TheChoiceIsYours.esp
SMIM-Merged-All.esp
Atlas Legendary.esp
SFO - Dragonborn.esp
Bring Out Your Dead.esp
Immersive Patrols II.esp
Book Covers Skyrim - Lost Library.esp
Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
dD-DG-DB-Immersive Creatures EBT Patch.esp
TimingIsEverything.esp
PilgrimsDelight.esp
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
HoldBorderBanners.esp
BooksOfSkyrim.esp
iNeed.esp
RSChildren_CompleteUSKP.esp
High Level Enemies - SIC Falskaar.esp
OBISDB.esp
GQJ_DG_vampireamuletfix.esp
imp_helm_legend.esp
Mage Outfit Texture Overhaul.esp
NightingaleArrows.esp
CCO_Frostfall_Patch.esp
1nivWICCloaksCRAFT.esp
CCO_SIC_Patch.esp
Bathing in Skyrim - Merged.esp
iNeed - Dangerous Diseases.esp
Dual Wield Parrying_SKSE.esp
NPC Knockout Overhaul.esp
Traps Are Dangerous.esp
VioLens.esp
WM Trap Fixes.esp
TradeBarter.esp
Better Vampires.esp
T3nd0s SkyRe Standing Stones and Races.esp
MatureSkinComplexions.esp
Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp
Gildergreen Regrown.esp
TheChoiceIsYours_Dawnguard.esp
TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
ELE_Legendary_Fs_Wt_Lite.esp
Pre PaMa WAFR CCF CCOR Wintermyst Patch.esp
Pre PaMa SiC Patch.esp
BCS - CCOR Patch.esp
BCS - PERMA Patch EN.esp
TCIY-BCS Patch.esp
BCSLL-SKYREorPERMA Patch.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-PerMaPatch.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-Patches.esp
PerMa-Content Addon Patch.esp
PerMa_Survivalism.esp
PerMa_USKP master patch.esp
PerMaDefluffedPerkDescriptions.esp
Wyrmstooth - PerMa Patch.esp
SR Conflict Resolution.esp
RSPatch.esp
Merged Patch Perma.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
DynDOLOD.esp
ASIS-Dependency.esp
ASIS.esp
PatchusMaximus.esp
Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp

 

 

many thanks.

 

EDIT:

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Edited September 28, 2015 by GrantSP

[strangerism]

Hi, I am just updating to say that through some troubleshooting I have found the problem. Yay!!

 

It seems that the unofficial Skyrim patches were causing this issue. I did run a basic SRLE profile with only the vanilla esp and the USKP esp, loading the save in the tavern without the patches while I was able to speak to Faida and have all dialogue options, with the patches I couldn't.

 

Specifically both the heartfire esp and the hearfire patch were screwing in turn the  skyrim patch causing the issue to present itself.

 

What I did was to update all unofficial skyrim patches, including the one for the dlcs, with the latest file as today and dialogue worked fine. Note, the SRLE guide was updated few days ago in this regard while my build was done couple of weeks ago.

 

Regarding the jarl not giving the option to buy an home, I did some research and it seems you need to be lvl20 to start the "Thane of the reach" quest, which is early for me as I am still lvl16.

 

Special thanks to ModOrganizer for making troubleshooting this sort of things very easy stuff.

 

Have a good day folks.

[strangerism]

Final update.

 

The issue related to some instances of dialog missing was not caused by the official patches as claimed before but instead due to an error I made myself while running the SUM proccer.

 

In the SRLE guide it states to delete the cell node in the Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp in order to run the SUM Proccer and then when it is complete replace it again with the original one. Unfortunately I think I had missed that final step or not deemed necessary for the build. I figured this out while I was redoing the proccers after some mods updates.

 

As read in a post in SUM nexus page, I created a clone of the USKP in MO called "USKP no cell" (with the cell node in the esp removed) which I then activate before running  the SUM proccer and deactivate when it is complete. Cheers

Edited October 5, 2015 by strangerism