ok ...all four...you mean FNIS, DynDolod, Bash Patch, and Duel sheath redo patch? correct? i see the point of this. I think all is well so far. going to test run the game now. Thanks for your help. oh yeah i almost forgot..i tried to setup the duel sheath redo but it said it could not use my java because it was 64 bit. can i install a 32 bit version as well or do i need to remove the 64 bit first then try installing the 32 bit? I can rerun the other three when this is done, but all else is done.