Thanks, Okay before I swap everything out and try WyreBash, if need be, I'm still confused I guess on which program actually controls load order at run. Â If I have used MO on both MOD/ESP panes to clean the load order, then run BOSS one time, then execute SKSE within MO to start the game, which program's load order has been set and is going to be seen by the game when it loads? Is BOSS just "showing" me what the load order should be, or is it actually "setting" a load order within Skyrim or MO that the game is going to follow at startup? Sorry if I'm just confusing myself, but since I'm using MO to initiate Skyrim start, I thought it was taking precedence on load order. If using WyreBash removes this distinction, because BOSS and BUM is integrated versus standalone, I'll definitely switch over. And I haven't even started a character yet, so I don't mind starting over to get it right before I commit myself to Skyrim.