Well, I got impatient and uninstalled and reinstalled skyrim, Initalized it, moved the skse files and the 2 folders (Mopy and ENBSeries) back into the skyrim folder. I didn't uninstall->reinstall any of the tools, Maybe I should have deleted the MO profile folders? update.esm still isn't in the left group but is in the right group. I ran TESV Edit and it was there so I cleaned it the way the guide says and the cleaned esm is in overwrite now. I get a little lost at this point in the guide. Something about dragging it over and creating a new mod from it? Same for Dawnguard, Hearthfire, and Dragonborn... So finished product, in the right window, should look like : Skyrim.esm Update.esm Cleaned Update.esm Dawnguard.esm Cleaned Dawnguard.esm Hearthfire.esm Cleaned Hearthfire.esm Dragonborn.esm Cleaned Dragonborn.esm and then the high res texture packs.... ? I probably wouldn't hurt to put something like a IMG or a list of the finished product in the guide.. Last night, before I deleted everything I decided to just try cleaning dawnguard and when I drug it from overwrite to the left window in MO it wanted to repalce the original like a folder. FWIW I had ~150 mods working in MO before I had to reinstall. The only bug I had was every now and then when I walked through a door things went flying everywhere... but no CTD or anything like that. Never ran TESVEedit, never used wyre bash after the first time. Just loot if I installed anything major. When I finally got a 1080 monitor back in november(I had a square 1280x1024) I couldn't get the resolution to change so I decided it was a good time to clean up and reinstall. After that I started modding the same way I had before and was getting a lot of CTD with very few mods. All mods I had before. No unp body or anything just textures, SIMM, bandolier, cloaks, Immersive weapons/armors, and a few armors. I'm just a little lost at this point for some reason.. Thanks for dealing with me. I'm trying to get this set up, not just for me, but for my 7 year old that just got really interested in playing skyrim.