STEP:Core Proposal/D

Ancient Nord Armor Fix

Arguments

• Template:Yes Obvious fix to a Vanilla bug/error.

Votes

Template:Yes ~FarloTalk 13:46, June 5, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Stoppingby4now (talk) 14:52, June 5, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 11:37, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes ~z929669 Talk 22:55, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 05:44, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Neovalen

Appropriately Attired Jarls

Arguments

• Template:No Uninstall note on the mods page:
  

  The nature of Skyrim’s scripting language, Papyrus, means that, even following this procedure, your Papyrus log will continue to throw errors about missing scripts, potentially leading to save game bloat. There is, lamentably, nothing that I can do about this -- you have been warned.

• Template:Yes I've not made a decision yet on this mod, but I'd like to raise a few points. One, has anyone actually tried uninstalling the mod to see if the papyrus log does throw errors? I know the author mentions it, but I've seen other mods where the warnings seem more dire than the actual reality of the situation. I've taken a look at how this mod was made (the source files were included in the bsa), and it seems very clean. It doesn't make changes or add scripts to existing references, (it uses newly created quests & aliases to apply changes) and none of the scripts have an Update call. The sort of things that I've generally been told to look out for in scripts added by mods don't seem to be present in this mod. Two, if this mod is creating errors on uninstall and we nix it for that reason, then we probably need to evaluate every single mod that contains scripts to make certain they don't also do this. I highly doubt that the issue is specific to this mod, and I don't want to see this mod get removed while we simultaneously decide to keep other mods that create the same issue (but whose mod authors weren't aware of or didn't feel the need to warn others about it). Three, doesn't SKSE's ClearInvalidRegistrations=1 correct just this sort of problem? Maybe the better solution is to include this fix in the guide. Kryptopyr (talk) 06:55, June 8, 2013 (MDT)
• I think this warrants being tested (Tech).
• I am of the belief that this mod can be properly uninstalled by stopping the quest in question and it fixes a glaring hole. Additionally, we do not advise users to install/uninstall mods mid play-through no? Neovalen

Votes

Template:No Stoppingby4now (talk) 14:56, June 5, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No Techangel85 (talk) 11:37, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No ~z929669 Talk 23:06, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Neovalen

Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 09:26, June 18, 2013 (MDT)

Argonian Decapitation Fix

Arguments

• Template:Yes Simple mesh fix, nothing else to it.

Votes

Template:Yes FarloTalk 22:38, June 5, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 11:38, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:55, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes WilliamImm (talk) 21:47, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes ~z929669 Talk 23:06, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 05:52, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Neovalen

Bowlegged Jump Fix

Arguments

• Template:Yes Simple animation fix

Votes

Template:Yes ~FarloTalk 22:40, June 5, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 11:38, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes ~z929669 Talk 23:06, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 05:42, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:11, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Neovalen

Brawl Bugs Patch

Arguments

• Template:Yes Required for a couple other mods.
• Template:No However, if we are keeping Enhanced Blood Textures, that mod seems to overwrite this one completely (and includes fixes from this mod). (William)

Votes

Template:Yes ~FarloTalk 22:48, June 5, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 11:39, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes ~z929669 Talk 23:06, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Thecompiler (talk) 00:50, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Neovalen

Template:No (if we are keeping Enhanced Blood) WilliamImm (talk) 21:25, June 16, 2013 (MDT)

Consistent Older People

Arguments

• Template:Yes Vanilla fix that was an oversight in development. (Tech)

Votes

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 22:22, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes ~z929669 Talk 23:06, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 07:24, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:11, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Neovalen

Cursor Fix

Arguments

• Template:Yes This is an issue that has annoyed me for a long time! Clear fix. (Tech)

Votes

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 21:30, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes ~z929669 Talk 23:06, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 07:20, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Neovalen

Dead Body Collision

Arguments

• Template:Yes Fixes missing collision in vanilla. Only recommend the optional "no spell" version as the main version isn't vanilla friendly because it adds a non-vanilla spell. (Tech)

I haven't had a chance to use this mod enough to feel comfortable voting for it, but my understanding is that the spell is included as a way to fix the potentially game-breaking problem of barricading oneself into a room or other space with no way to get around or through the bodies. If this is the case, and the spell was added to solve a potential problem with the mod, then I feel we should not be recommending the "no spell" version. (krypt)

Votes

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 22:48, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes ~z929669 Talk 23:06, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Neovalen

Dual Sheath Redux

Arguments

• Template:Yes Corrects a vanilla oversight (z)
• Template:No Useful only in third person, conflicts with vanilla skeleton and potentially many other mods ... too complex a change for Core STEP (z)
• Template:No Known issue #2 (Tech)
• Template:No While excellent for immersion, effect is only visible in 3rd person and requires several other mods to be installed. Best for a pack. (william)

Votes

Template:No ~z929669 Talk 23:06, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No Techangel85 (talk) 23:30, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No Thecompiler (talk) 00:52, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No WilliamImm (talk) 08:49, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No Neovalen

Elys AltF4

Arguments

• Template:Yes Essentially this is built into most Windows programs. Why it wasn't built into Skyrim is a mystery. Alt+F4 is the standard close key combination in Windows 8 and is used often. (Tech)
• Template:Yes Also, this plugin allows multimedia function keys (ie: volume up/down) to be used in-game. As a additional effect. (William)
• Alt-F4 is standard in all Windows apps, so if it doesn't work then the application is catching the appropriate exception and preventing it from closing. I've never had a need for this, but don't care if it's included either. -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:15, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Votes

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 11:40, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes WilliamImm (talk) 21:52, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes ~z929669 Talk 23:06, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 07:28, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Neovalen

Fast Travel Timescale Fix

Arguments

• Template:Yes An obvious fix
• Template:No A whole plugin slot for this one simple fix? (Seems like this should be able to be done via an INI tweak ~Tech)
• Template:No Correct me if I'm wrong, but from my quick research, this is possible with an INI tweak by setting fFastTravelSpeedMult to 4. If that's the case, this needs to go into INI tweaks, and this mod needs to go. -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:22, June 10, 2013 (MDT)
• Template:Yes Just as an FYI, using console command for this setting does not persist in save file... if there is an ini setting, that would be nice. Neovalen

Votes

Template:Yes (for now) ~z929669 Talk 23:17, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes (no if it can be done via INI) Techangel85 (talk) 23:34, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No (see above) -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:23, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Neovalen (Only if other fix cannot be found...)

Fuz Ro D'oh

Arguments

• Template:Yes Fixes missing voice/lip movement aspects of the game. (Tech)

Votes

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 23:50, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 08:36, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes ~z929669 Talk 23:39, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:23, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Neovalen (conditionally - if we're not adding any mods that add unvoiced dialogue then it's pointless)

Nitpick

Arguments

• Template:Yes Fixes some game limitations. (Tech)

Votes

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 23:41, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 07:53, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes ~z929669 Talk 23:46, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:23, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Neovalen

Skyrim Project Optimization

Arguments

• Template:Yes Actually boosts game's performance on some systems. (Tech)
• Template:Yes Add occlusion planes missing from vanilla, no conflicts, no reason to not include it. (Tech)

Votes

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 11:42, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 07:47, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes ~z929669 Talk 23:46, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:24, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Neovalen

Tail Twist Fix

Arguments

• Template:Yes While unlikely to come up for anyone other than Argonian/beast race players, the fix it does is obvious for those. No conflicts with any other mods as well.

Votes

Template:Yes WilliamImm (talk) 16:02, June 5, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 11:40, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 07:55, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes ~z929669 Talk 23:47, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:24, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Neovalen

Unofficial Skyrim Patch

Arguments

• Template:Yes A no brainer

Votes

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 00:25, June 7, 2013 (CST)

Template:Yes -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:56, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 07:30, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes ~z929669 Talk 23:52, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Neovalen

Unofficial Dawnguard Patch

Arguments

• Template:Yes A no brainer

Votes

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 00:25, June 7, 2013 (CST)

Template:Yes Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:56, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 07:30, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes ~z929669 Talk 23:52, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Neovalen

Unofficial Hearthfire Patch

Arguments

• Template:Yes A no brainer

Votes

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 00:26, June 7, 2013 (CST)

Template:Yes Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:57, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 07:30, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes ~z929669 Talk 23:52, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Neovalen

Unofficial Dragonborn Patch

Arguments

• Template:Yes A no brainer

Votes

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 00:26, June 7, 2013 (CST)

Template:Yes Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:57, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 07:31, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes ~z929669 Talk 00:22, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Neovalen

Unofficial High Resolution Patch

Arguments

• Template:Yes A no brainer

Votes

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 00:27, June 7, 2013 (CST)

Template:Yes Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:57, June 7, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 07:31, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes ~z929669 Talk 00:22, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Acquisitive Soul Gems

Arguments

• Template:Yes Fixes soul trapping, vanilla bug where gems lose their charge, corrects black soul gems use to line up with indicated use from game texts. (Tech)
• Template:Yes Also fixes the issue where player-filled gems didn't change in price and remained priced the same as an empty gem. (kryptopyr)
• Template:No I just want to point out that this mod does make a non-lore-friendly change in only permitting souls to be captured by white soul gems of correct size. This is inconsistent with the way that soul gems have worked in Oblivion and Morrowind as well as Skyrim, and therefore, I believe this was an intentional choice made by Bethesda and not an oversight. However, I personally feel that the bug fixes made by this mod are significant enough to warrant overlooking this in favor of including the mod in Core STEP. (kryptopyr)

Agree that it is not "vanilla", but I see this as one glaring exception to a long-broken aspect of the vanilla game ... originally a "lore mistake" iMO ~z929669 Talk 23:42, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Votes

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 00:00, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 08:33, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes ~z929669 Talk 23:43, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Neovalen

Distant Decal Fix

Arguments

• Template:Yes Fixes vanilla bug with distant decals disappearing at short distances by use of meshes. (Tech)
• Template:Yes No performance loss using this instead of the INI tweak which has a performance hit.
• Template:No However, could be superseded by the USKP? (William)

Template:Yes At the very least, there are meshes included here not in the USKP... Neovalen

Votes

Template:Yes (if USKP fixes this, then it's a no from me) Techangel85 (talk) 00:08, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 08:46, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes (for now) ~z929669 Talk 00:22, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Neovalen

Even Better Quest Objectives

Arguments

• Template:Yes Vanilla quest objectives were really horrible.
• Template:No Adds many scripts and too many compatibility complications (William - Only modifies a few vanilla quest scripts, so that point isn't valid.)

Remember, I am very open to making compatibility patches when necessary. Only concerns are with ESP limits. WilliamImm (talk) 20:37, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

• Template:Yes I think compatibility isn't an issue at all, expecially since we have William on our side. Need another argument to refuse the mod imo Thecompiler (talk)

I agree. There aren't a huge number of mods that directly edit these vanilla quests. And even without a compatibility patch, the worst thing that happens is that the conflicting mod gets installed after EBQO and reverts the objectives back to their vanilla state. Kryptopyr (talk) 14:29, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

• I skipped voting for this mod because I don't know anything about it. -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 08:53, June 10, 2013 (MDT)
• Template:No I don't doubt it's a plus to the game, but honestly there is nothing wrong with the vanilla objectives. Therefore, I can't call it core myself. (Neo)

You ever tried playing without quest markers, Neo? (William)

Votes

Template:Yes WilliamImm (talk) 08:50, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No ~z929669 Talk 00:22, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No Techangel85 (talk) 20:27, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes (yes as long as it'll cover DB quests as well for continuity) Thecompiler (talk)

Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 14:29, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No Neovalen

Realistic Ragdolls & Force

Arguments

• Template:Yes Fixes vanilla's unrealistic force with weapons and spells. (Tech)
• Template:No Conflicts with any mod altering skeleton.nif without a patch. (Tech)

Note: If we choose to go with Maximum Skeleton (either in Core or in the official STEP pack), then this mod is a requirement for that one. (kry)

Votes

Template:Yes Techangel85 (talk) 00:31, June 8, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No ~z929669 Talk 00:22, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:27, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Thecompiler (talk) 05:41, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Kryptopyr (talk) 14:47, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Neovalen (Only if keeping XP32 Skeleton - either we go with a max compatibility skeleton in core or none at all)

Maximum Skeleton

Arguments

• Template:No Conflicts with any mod altering skeleton.nif without a patch. (The purporse of the mod was to merge many skeleton-altering tweaks into one)
• Template:Yes Required for Dual Sheath Redux and was made to support as many skeleton-altering mods as possible (William)
• Template:No Marked as adult-only (due to nudity in the images section) (William)

Votes

Template:No ~z929669 Talk 00:22, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No Thecompiler (talk) 00:47, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No Techangel85 (talk) 20:29, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:No -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:28, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes (really depends on if we are keeping Dual Sheath) WilliamImm (talk) 08:47, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Neovalen (If we keep RR&F - then this should be included to maintain compatibility with the vast majority of packs that will be placed on top)

Trade & Barter

Arguments

• Template:Yes The Lite version includes only the fixes details

Votes

Template:Yes ~z929669 Talk 00:22, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Thecompiler (talk) 00:49, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Neovalen

Weapon & Armor Fixes

Arguments

• Template:Yes This enhances consistency among vanilla weapons and actually 'corrects' several overlooked inconsistencies with regard to weapon stats.

Votes

Template:Yes ~z929669 Talk 00:22, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Thecompiler (talk) 00:50, June 9, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes -- Stoppingby4now (talk) 00:28, June 10, 2013 (MDT)

Template:Yes Neovalen