Headless Karliah

[Valtarien]

Upon donning the Nightingale Armor, Karliah is headless. Does anyone know what might cause this to happen?

[WilliamImm]

It's a conflict between Improved Closefaced Helms and some other mod in your load order. Can you please post your full BOSSed load order?

[Valtarien]

Sure thing. Here it is:

 

Active Mod Files:

 

00 Skyrim.esm
01 Update.esm
02 Dawnguard.esm
03 HearthFires.esm
04 Dragonborn.esm
05 Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm
06 ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
07 GeneralStores.esm
08 Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
09 Night Eye Overhaul.esm
0A SPIKE.esm
0B HighResTexturePack01.esp
0C HighResTexturePack02.esp
0D HighResTexturePack03.esp
0E FixedEyeAdaption.esp
0F Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp [Version 1.3.3a]
10 Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp [Version 1.2.3]
11 Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp [Version 1.1.1]
12 Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]
13 Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp
14 Better Dynamic Snow.esp
15 Rainbows.esp
16 Clanking Armor.esp
17 IHSS.esp
18 Improved Combat Sounds v2.2.esp
19 randomthunder.esp
1A realrainCoT.esp
1B StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp
1C 83Willows_101BUGS_V4_LowRes.esp
1D Ars Metallica.esp [Version 1.2.0]
1E Ars Metallica - Dawnguard.esp [Version 1.2.0]
1F Ars Metallica - Hearthfire.esp [Version 1.2.0]
20 Ars Metallica - Dragonborn.esp [Version 1.2.0]
21 Birdsofskyrim.esp
22 BLESSINGS - Altar Descriptions.esp
23 Bring Out Your Dead.esp [Version 1.1.7]
24 ClamsDropPearls.esp
25 CraftableCloudStorage(GS).esp
26 Disease Descriptions.esp
27 DD_Dawnguard Additions.esp
28 DD_Dragonborn Additions.esp
29 DungeonQuestAwareness.esp
2A fFastTravelSpeedMult_4.esp [Version 1.0]
2B GeneralStores(DG-HF).esp
2C Dawnguard(GS).esp
2D GeneralStoresBreezehome.esp
2E GeneralStoresHoneyside.esp
2F GeneralStoresProudspire.esp
30 GeneralStoresVlindrelHall.esp
31 GSStudentQuarters.esp
32 HearthFireStores(GS).esp
33 JBS_overhaul.esp
34 Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Default.esp
35 MVABasic.esp
36 MVAIvarstead.esp
37 MVARorikstead.esp
38 Moss Rocks.esp
39 Oblivion Gates v3 without Markers - Skyrim + Dawnguard DLC.esp
3A ORM-Arvak.esp
3B PilgrimsDelight.esp
3C Point The Way.esp [Version 1.0.1a]
3D RabbitsPlus.esp
3E Radiant and Unique Potions Poisons and Booze.esp
3F ShootingStars.esp
40 Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
41 SkyrimImprovedPuddles-DG-HF-DB.esp [Version 1.1]
42 SwiftPotion.esp
43 Traps Make Noise.esp
44 Auto Unequip Ammo.esp
45 Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp
46 SkyTweak.esp
47 AI Gamesettings.esp
48 SkyAI Preset - Duke Patricks - Heavy Weapons Combat.esp [Version 11.15]
49 SkyUI.esp
4A DragonPriestMaskJournal.esp
4B Elemental Staves.esp
4C ExplosiveBoltsVisualized.esp
4D imp_helm.esp
4E imp_helm_imp.esp
4F imp_helm_dawn.esp
50 Lock Overhaul.esp
51 ERSO 03 - Slighty Mighty Dragons DG.esp
52 ERSO 03.3 - Slighty Mighty Dawnguard Dragons.esp
53 ERSO 03.4 - Slighty Mighty Dragonborn Dragons.esp
54 ERSO 03.5 - New Dragon Super Loots.esp
55 ERSO 04 - Mighty Odahviing.esp
56 ERSO 04.2 - Mighty Durnehviir.esp
57 ERSO 05 - Dovah Holy Book.esp
58 ERSO 06 - Wait More Time Dragon Encounter x3.0.esp
59 ERSO 07 - Slighty Mighty Dragon Priests.esp
5A ERSO 09 - Vendor Trainer Quest-giver protected USKP.esp
5B Gildergreen Regrown.esp [Version 1.2.5]
5C LightsHeljarchenHall.esp
5D LightsLakeviewManor.esp
5E Run For Your Lives.esp [Version 1.2.2]
5F When Vampires Attack.esp [Version 1.0.2]
60 The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp [Version 1.2.4]
61 towBlockSteal.esp
62 towHarvest.esp
63 SkyrimCoinReplacer.esp
64 Appropriately Attired Jarls Redux.esp
65 ArtifactOverhaul.esp
66 BetterQuestObjectives.esp
67 BetterQuestObjectives-PaarDilemmaPatch.esp
68 BetterQuestObjectives-DBForevertoMisc.esp
69 BlockSparkles.esp
6A DiversePriests.esp
6B DiversePriests_BringOutYourDeadPatch.esp
6C dynamic fires.esp
6D Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
6E More Salt Please.esp
6F More Salt Please - Dragonborn addon.esp
70 dD-No Twitching Dragon Death Animation.esp
71 NoAutoSkillBooks(Better).esp
72 TheChoiceIsYours.esp
73 TheChoiceIsYours_Dawnguard.esp
74 BetterQuestObjectives-TheChoiceIsYoursPatch.esp
75 Waterbreathing Breathless Emerge.esp
76 aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp
77 WeaponsArmorFixes_MultiMod_DLCPatch.esp
78 AIMP - Antz in my Pantz.esp
79 Chesko_Step418_SN.esp
7A SoS - The Dungeons.esp [Version 1.23]
7B SoS - The Wilds.esp [Version 1.13]
7C SoS - Civilization.esp [Version 1.02]
7D ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound.esp
7E ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
7F ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp
80 ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp
81 SoS - The Wilds-PatchCoTSounds.esp
82 SoS - Civilization -PatchCoTSounds.esp
83 VampireUpgrade.esp
84 WerewolfUpgrade.esp
85 BoundTools.esp
86 ExpertConcentrationSpells.esp
87 LoreFriendlySpells.esp
88 BFSEffects.esp
89 DeadlySpellImpacts.esp
8A EmpoweredMagic.esp
8B EmpoweredMagic_Dawnguard.esp
8C EmpoweredMagic_Dragonborn.esp
8D Night Eye Overhaul.esp
8E SustainedSpells.esp
8F Realistic crime report radius.esp
90 DragonCombatOverhaulDragonborn.esp
91 Acquisitive Soul Gems.esp
92 Enhanced Soul Trap.esp
93 Soul Gems Differ - E.esp
94 dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp
95 Beards.esp
96 Brows.esp
97 ESPv1_1.esp
98 Slightly Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp
99 SelminaDArchon.esp
9A SlavePackRiekling.esp
9B Better Followers - P.esp
9C moveitLWT.esp
9D dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
9E SPTConsistentOlderPeople.esp [Version 1.4]
9F ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp
A0 Animated Weapon Enchants.esp
A1 DawnguardRuneWeaponsFXSReplacer.esp
A2 WATER.esp
A3 WATER Plants.esp
A4 WATER DB Waves.esp
A5 Atlas Map Markers.esp
A6 Atlas Blackreach.esp
A7 Atlas Dawnguard.esp
A8 Atlas Hearthfire.esp
A9 Atlas Dragonborn.esp
AA SPTConsistentOlderPeopleCompatability.esp
AB DiversePriests_ConsistentOlderPeoplePatch.esp
AC GeneralStores(CCS-DG-HF).esp
AD ASG-AWE Patch.esp
AE Merged patch.esp

 

[WilliamImm]

I don't see anything that sticks out in my mind that would change the Nightengale helmet. Try opening up your load order in TES5edit, select the Nightengale helmet, and see if any mod other than Weapon/Armor fixes and Closedfaced helms modifies the helmet.

[Valtarien]

Thank you for the pointers so far. There appears to be two mods in my load order that conflict (JBS Mundane Overhaul 24-17465 and Artifact Balance Overhaul147-11520). The latter overwrites changes made by Improved Closed Face Helms, so that seems most suspect; however, Weapons and Armor Fixes MultiMod patch overwrites both. I can only make an educated guess as to what needs to be copied over into a compatibility patch (references dealing with models, but I'm not sure exactly which are the pertinent entries). Here is a screenshot of TESEdit's readout:

 

Trial and error will eventually yield positive results, I'm sure, but if you already have the expertise to identify precisely what needs to be copied over, I would greatly appreciate it.

[shiva7663]

Did you ever figure this issue out? I have the same problem; a female player character using the hood is also headless. I'm running a quite different set of plugins, though. 

This is my list of .esp files that change Nightingale Hood data:

Weapon & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp

Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp

imp_helm.esp

SkyRe_main.esp

Bashed Patch, 0.exp

WAFR Pre ReProccer Patch.esp

CCF Pre ReProccer Patch.esp

ReProccer.esp

[gimpyone]

I had the same issue as you and the culprit was skyre and the reproccer. What I suggest you do is go here: https://wiki.step-project.com/Pack:Vanilla_Enhanced_Gameplay_Alternative

and uninstall your current version of skyre and the patches you have. I take no responsibility if this means you have to start fresh. Install skyre and the patches the author recommends as well as grabbing Sum, and follow the instructions under VEGA load list configuration. That should fix everything.

[shiva7663]

Interesting that you should mention VEGA; I tried that a while back, but there were incompatibilities since VEGA is based on STEP Core 2.2.7, and I'm running STEP Core 2.2.8. I'l give it another look, although it will require some off-label tweaking to work properly. The number of SkyRe related compatibility patches has expanded in light of the abandonment of development of some of the earlier patches.

Edited March 14, 2014 by shiva7663

[gimpyone]

I tried the other compaitibility patches and couldn't get them to work on my own. After reading the VEGA instructions though, I might give it another shot.

 

Edit:I take back everything I said. I lost whatever fix I did when I tried the different compatibility patches. Trying to figure out what I did. After looking at TES5EDIT, the models for improved closefaced aren't being carried  over. Even hand copying them doesn't seem to work.

Edited March 14, 2014 by gimpyone