Valtarien Posted July 26, 2013 Posted July 26, 2013 Upon donning the Nightingale Armor, Karliah is headless. Does anyone know what might cause this to happen?
0 WilliamImm Posted July 27, 2013 Posted July 27, 2013 It's a conflict between Improved Closefaced Helms and some other mod in your load order. Can you please post your full BOSSed load order?
0 Valtarien Posted July 27, 2013 Author Posted July 27, 2013 Sure thing. Here it is: Active Mod Files: 00 Skyrim.esm 01 Update.esm 02 Dawnguard.esm 03 HearthFires.esm 04 Dragonborn.esm 05 Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm 06 ClimatesOfTamriel.esm 07 GeneralStores.esm 08 Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm 09 Night Eye Overhaul.esm 0A SPIKE.esm 0B HighResTexturePack01.esp 0C HighResTexturePack02.esp 0D HighResTexturePack03.esp 0E FixedEyeAdaption.esp 0F Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp [Version 1.3.3a] 10 Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp [Version 1.2.3] 11 Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp [Version 1.1.1] 12 Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4] 13 Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp 14 Better Dynamic Snow.esp 15 Rainbows.esp 16 Clanking Armor.esp 17 IHSS.esp 18 Improved Combat Sounds v2.2.esp 19 randomthunder.esp 1A realrainCoT.esp 1B StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp 1C 83Willows_101BUGS_V4_LowRes.esp 1D Ars Metallica.esp [Version 1.2.0] 1E Ars Metallica - Dawnguard.esp [Version 1.2.0] 1F Ars Metallica - Hearthfire.esp [Version 1.2.0] 20 Ars Metallica - Dragonborn.esp [Version 1.2.0] 21 Birdsofskyrim.esp 22 BLESSINGS - Altar Descriptions.esp 23 Bring Out Your Dead.esp [Version 1.1.7] 24 ClamsDropPearls.esp 25 CraftableCloudStorage(GS).esp 26 Disease Descriptions.esp 27 DD_Dawnguard Additions.esp 28 DD_Dragonborn Additions.esp 29 DungeonQuestAwareness.esp 2A fFastTravelSpeedMult_4.esp [Version 1.0] 2B GeneralStores(DG-HF).esp 2C Dawnguard(GS).esp 2D GeneralStoresBreezehome.esp 2E GeneralStoresHoneyside.esp 2F GeneralStoresProudspire.esp 30 GeneralStoresVlindrelHall.esp 31 GSStudentQuarters.esp 32 HearthFireStores(GS).esp 33 JBS_overhaul.esp 34 Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Default.esp 35 MVABasic.esp 36 MVAIvarstead.esp 37 MVARorikstead.esp 38 Moss Rocks.esp 39 Oblivion Gates v3 without Markers - Skyrim + Dawnguard DLC.esp 3A ORM-Arvak.esp 3B PilgrimsDelight.esp 3C Point The Way.esp [Version 1.0.1a] 3D RabbitsPlus.esp 3E Radiant and Unique Potions Poisons and Booze.esp 3F ShootingStars.esp 40 Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp 41 SkyrimImprovedPuddles-DG-HF-DB.esp [Version 1.1] 42 SwiftPotion.esp 43 Traps Make Noise.esp 44 Auto Unequip Ammo.esp 45 Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp 46 SkyTweak.esp 47 AI Gamesettings.esp 48 SkyAI Preset - Duke Patricks - Heavy Weapons Combat.esp [Version 11.15] 49 SkyUI.esp 4A DragonPriestMaskJournal.esp 4B Elemental Staves.esp 4C ExplosiveBoltsVisualized.esp 4D imp_helm.esp 4E imp_helm_imp.esp 4F imp_helm_dawn.esp 50 Lock Overhaul.esp 51 ERSO 03 - Slighty Mighty Dragons DG.esp 52 ERSO 03.3 - Slighty Mighty Dawnguard Dragons.esp 53 ERSO 03.4 - Slighty Mighty Dragonborn Dragons.esp 54 ERSO 03.5 - New Dragon Super Loots.esp 55 ERSO 04 - Mighty Odahviing.esp 56 ERSO 04.2 - Mighty Durnehviir.esp 57 ERSO 05 - Dovah Holy Book.esp 58 ERSO 06 - Wait More Time Dragon Encounter x3.0.esp 59 ERSO 07 - Slighty Mighty Dragon Priests.esp 5A ERSO 09 - Vendor Trainer Quest-giver protected USKP.esp 5B Gildergreen Regrown.esp [Version 1.2.5] 5C LightsHeljarchenHall.esp 5D LightsLakeviewManor.esp 5E Run For Your Lives.esp [Version 1.2.2] 5F When Vampires Attack.esp [Version 1.0.2] 60 The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp [Version 1.2.4] 61 towBlockSteal.esp 62 towHarvest.esp 63 SkyrimCoinReplacer.esp 64 Appropriately Attired Jarls Redux.esp 65 ArtifactOverhaul.esp 66 BetterQuestObjectives.esp 67 BetterQuestObjectives-PaarDilemmaPatch.esp 68 BetterQuestObjectives-DBForevertoMisc.esp 69 BlockSparkles.esp 6A DiversePriests.esp 6B DiversePriests_BringOutYourDeadPatch.esp 6C dynamic fires.esp 6D Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp 6E More Salt Please.esp 6F More Salt Please - Dragonborn addon.esp 70 dD-No Twitching Dragon Death Animation.esp 71 NoAutoSkillBooks(Better).esp 72 TheChoiceIsYours.esp 73 TheChoiceIsYours_Dawnguard.esp 74 BetterQuestObjectives-TheChoiceIsYoursPatch.esp 75 Waterbreathing Breathless Emerge.esp 76 aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp 77 WeaponsArmorFixes_MultiMod_DLCPatch.esp 78 AIMP - Antz in my Pantz.esp 79 Chesko_Step418_SN.esp 7A SoS - The Dungeons.esp [Version 1.23] 7B SoS - The Wilds.esp [Version 1.13] 7C SoS - Civilization.esp [Version 1.02] 7D ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound.esp 7E ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp 7F ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp 80 ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp 81 SoS - The Wilds-PatchCoTSounds.esp 82 SoS - Civilization -PatchCoTSounds.esp 83 VampireUpgrade.esp 84 WerewolfUpgrade.esp 85 BoundTools.esp 86 ExpertConcentrationSpells.esp 87 LoreFriendlySpells.esp 88 BFSEffects.esp 89 DeadlySpellImpacts.esp 8A EmpoweredMagic.esp 8B EmpoweredMagic_Dawnguard.esp 8C EmpoweredMagic_Dragonborn.esp 8D Night Eye Overhaul.esp 8E SustainedSpells.esp 8F Realistic crime report radius.esp 90 DragonCombatOverhaulDragonborn.esp 91 Acquisitive Soul Gems.esp 92 Enhanced Soul Trap.esp 93 Soul Gems Differ - E.esp 94 dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp 95 Beards.esp 96 Brows.esp 97 ESPv1_1.esp 98 Slightly Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp 99 SelminaDArchon.esp 9A SlavePackRiekling.esp 9B Better Followers - P.esp 9C moveitLWT.esp 9D dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp 9E SPTConsistentOlderPeople.esp [Version 1.4] 9F ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp A0 Animated Weapon Enchants.esp A1 DawnguardRuneWeaponsFXSReplacer.esp A2 WATER.esp A3 WATER Plants.esp A4 WATER DB Waves.esp A5 Atlas Map Markers.esp A6 Atlas Blackreach.esp A7 Atlas Dawnguard.esp A8 Atlas Hearthfire.esp A9 Atlas Dragonborn.esp AA SPTConsistentOlderPeopleCompatability.esp AB DiversePriests_ConsistentOlderPeoplePatch.esp AC GeneralStores(CCS-DG-HF).esp AD ASG-AWE Patch.esp AE Merged patch.esp
0 WilliamImm Posted July 27, 2013 Posted July 27, 2013 I don't see anything that sticks out in my mind that would change the Nightengale helmet. Try opening up your load order in TES5edit, select the Nightengale helmet, and see if any mod other than Weapon/Armor fixes and Closedfaced helms modifies the helmet.
0 Valtarien Posted July 27, 2013 Author Posted July 27, 2013 Thank you for the pointers so far. There appears to be two mods in my load order that conflict (JBS Mundane Overhaul 24-17465 and Artifact Balance Overhaul147-11520). The latter overwrites changes made by Improved Closed Face Helms, so that seems most suspect; however, Weapons and Armor Fixes MultiMod patch overwrites both. I can only make an educated guess as to what needs to be copied over into a compatibility patch (references dealing with models, but I'm not sure exactly which are the pertinent entries). Here is a screenshot of TESEdit's readout: Trial and error will eventually yield positive results, I'm sure, but if you already have the expertise to identify precisely what needs to be copied over, I would greatly appreciate it.
0 shiva7663 Posted March 14, 2014 Posted March 14, 2014 Did you ever figure this issue out? I have the same problem; a female player character using the hood is also headless. I'm running a quite different set of plugins, though. This is my list of .esp files that change Nightingale Hood data:Weapon & Armor Fixes_Remade.espClothing & Clutter Fixes.espimp_helm.espSkyRe_main.espBashed Patch, 0.expWAFR Pre ReProccer Patch.espCCF Pre ReProccer Patch.espReProccer.esp
0 gimpyone Posted March 14, 2014 Posted March 14, 2014 I had the same issue as you and the culprit was skyre and the reproccer. What I suggest you do is go here: https://wiki.step-project.com/Pack:Vanilla_Enhanced_Gameplay_Alternative and uninstall your current version of skyre and the patches you have. I take no responsibility if this means you have to start fresh. Install skyre and the patches the author recommends as well as grabbing Sum, and follow the instructions under VEGA load list configuration. That should fix everything.
0 shiva7663 Posted March 14, 2014 Posted March 14, 2014 (edited) Interesting that you should mention VEGA; I tried that a while back, but there were incompatibilities since VEGA is based on STEP Core 2.2.7, and I'm running STEP Core 2.2.8. I'l give it another look, although it will require some off-label tweaking to work properly. The number of SkyRe related compatibility patches has expanded in light of the abandonment of development of some of the earlier patches. Edited March 14, 2014 by shiva7663
0 gimpyone Posted March 14, 2014 Posted March 14, 2014 (edited) I tried the other compaitibility patches and couldn't get them to work on my own. After reading the VEGA instructions though, I might give it another shot. Edit:I take back everything I said. I lost whatever fix I did when I tried the different compatibility patches. Trying to figure out what I did. After looking at TES5EDIT, the models for improved closefaced aren't being carried over. Even hand copying them doesn't seem to work. Edited March 14, 2014 by gimpyone
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Upon donning the Nightingale Armor, Karliah is headless. Does anyone know what might cause this to happen?
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